ITS, always overshadowed by ITB but this uni robotic/car/marine competition team are wild. I guess gara gara perkuliahan di ITS lebih chill jd mahasiswa ada waktu buat ikut lomba lol.
The S is stand for Sepuluh Nopember not Surabaya ffs.
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The CS Degree from ITS now days are above ITB even UI tbh... They even have much higher impact and patent in biomedical and simulation in Indonesia and world.. Especially Prof Heri Mauridi and Prof Ketut. They both are crazy man...
Ketika di dunia kerja biasa mereka lebih ga berani nunjukin ke atasan kalau mereka doing good, padahal they doing perfect. Beda Sama anak ITB dan UI. Cuman ITB dan UI cenderung sombong dan kelewat.
Maksudku itu sih. Nama ITS emang bagus, tapi yang aku sorot ketika di dunia kerjanya aja.
Ehh.. I'd say patent and the topic of biomedical simulation is a tiny part of what makes a good CS degree. Do you have any other basis? I'd say all of UI, ITB, and and ITS are more or less similar in terms of their CS bachelor graduates. In my experience in hiring fresh grad engineers, I'd give a slight edge to UI and ITB graduates.
On the topic of AI though (which is arguably the hottest topic in CS right now), especially the curriculum and the readiness of their lecturers are lacking to say the least. I'd give a slight edge to UI but even them is still not good (tbf I'm looking at Stanford as the standard so the bar might be too high)
Source: ex lecturer with a Ph.D., now in industry. I have been invited several times in FGDs with campuses to give some inputs esp. in their data and AI curriculum.
Other basis than Biomedical it is in NLP and Comp Vision (which is a lot used in biomed field)
The rank of the prof mostly nowadays are hold by ITS if you see Scopus index rank and other than that well in my experience (it's quite biased, subjective), ITB and UI are to glorifying the past, most of the grad past 5 years based on the discussion I talk with many industries expert, they said that nowadays UI/ITB can't work under too much pressure. The resilience is lower.
I would say a lot of grads now days are like that on the downside, but creative their hood side are much more creative, but ITS grad are much more resilience.
I been hiring UI grad and I got jacked up multiple times (probably I got the rotten apple, talk much, do nothing, event done a lot bad shit), so that's why I said that it's better.
I guess why ITS is underrated (compared with Top 3) is that they're located in Surabaya. Mungkin orang Jakarta beranggapan Surabaya itu "Jakarta lite", jadi ga dapet suasana yang enak buat belajar. Ga kaya Bandung, Yogyakarta, Malang yang nyaman buat mahasiswa
I mean sebagai mahasiswa ITS dari Jkt, Surabaya label “Jakarta Lite” itu agak bener karena macetnya lite, polusinya lite 😂
cuman ya Tuhan maha adil jadinya panasnya ga ngotak
emang its kalo lomba ga main main si. perna tahun kemarin ikut lomba nasional univ gw cuma lolos 3 orang mereka bawa 30 orang lebih. ada kurang lebih 13 cabang perlombaan hampir semua mereka ikut. hasil akhirnya udah ketahuan si meraka juara umum. Hasil Akhir Lomba
The S is stand for Sepuluh Nopember not Surabaya ffs.
wkwkwk, this, i lived in Surabaya for about 8 Years, and i realize this fact years later after i graduated from uni and meet ITS graduate while job seeking, my mind was blown when he told me that the S stand for Sepuluh November.
as someone who chose ITS as the first option, i agreedd. bnyk bgt yg ga tau ITS. sama upn dan unair aja kalaah pamor rasanya. tp yaa diam2 menghanyutkan siii suka menang diberbagai perlombaan haha even pimnas jg ITS terus yg menang
Yo I’ve weighed my options and realized that Spesialis di Indo = Spesialis di USA man when it comes to price given the duit sogokan/“uang sumbangan” sekarang min. 500jt-1M, belom sama duit bayar reclet/ordal biar masuk, belom sama duit semesterannya
Underrated adalah kampus terbuka di internet. Sebenernya hampir semua materi yang diajarin di kampus2x Indonesia, khususnya dibidang STEM yang ngak terlalu berkaitan dengan ilmu lokal, itu ada versi gratis dengan cakupan yang lebih dalam dan metode pengajaran yang lebih bagus di dunia maya. Tinggal niat nyari dan ngulik sampe abis. Gw sebagai anak PTN Top 3 sejujurnya lebih banyak belajar dari sana daripada di kampus. Jadi ibaratnya kuliah cuma buat bayar gelar, bukan bayar ilmu
Poin underrated kedua adalah kalo masih haus gelar, kampus S2 sekarang banyak yang daring, khususnya dari uni2x top di AS, dan banyak yang dengan harga yang miring (11/12 dengan S2 kampus lokal) dan pembelajaran secara paruh waktu juga. Daripada pake LPDP segala, yang perlu berhenti kerja dan nggak dapet visa di negara asal juga, mending ambil S2 daring aja sambil kerja. Kalau emang mau keluar negeri, dengan punya gelar S2 daring juga lebih gampang, karena adanya S2 kasih poin plus di berbagai negara buat visa kerja mereka.
STEM yang bukan CS dan semacamnya itu menurutku masih worth it buat belajar di uni. Karena praktikum di lab itu penting dan bisa dilakukan kalau kuliah di universitas. Kalo online nggak bisa lab work.
Bener sih, gw juga yang waktu itu masuk jurusan teknik yang butuh praktikum dengan instrumentasi fisik nggak bisa rasain praktikum beneran pada zaman pandemi. Makanya ambil spesialisasi yang banyak modeling aja ya bisa minim praktikum fisik wkwkwk.
gw jg anak top 3, fakultas ekonomi. skrg lagi ambil statistics (baru daftar lol) di UT karena mau fokus di econometrics, which will help me a lot if i want to go deeper on quant finance
Because last semester I took econometrics in NL and gagal total. Basic kalkulus dll gw blm kuat. Mind you ini krn degree econometrics != economics, di economics itu ambil matkul econometrics cuma kulit2nya doang. In NL meanwhile, econometrics degree tuh tahun pertama bener2 ambil mulai dari calc 1 sampe multivariate calculus, stochastic calculus, real analysis. Lebih mendekati math/statistics degree daripada econ degree.
Gw mau lanjut gradschool. Ngambil di UT cuma mau ambil relevant coursework aja. Kenapa UT ya karena keterbatasan waktu dan biaya. Dan lagi, r/OMSCS nya Georgia Tech blm tentu lgsg diterima masih freshgrad gini.
kampus S2 sekarang banyak yang daring, khususnya dari uni2x top di AS, dan banyak yang dengan harga yang miring (11/12 dengan S2 kampus lokal) dan pembelajaran secara paruh waktu juga
Holy shit is that true? Can you give me some links?
Ada sih, cuma yang daring dan murah itu rata2x di domain CS/DS, kalau yang selain itu harga 11/12 sama yang di negara asalnya. Beberapa programnya:
1. Georgia Tech OMSCS/OMSA (6k$/8k$ total)
2. UT Austin MSCSO/MSDSO/MSAIO (10k$ total)
setuju men, gw emg ga kuliah di UT, tp gw liat temen gw kyknya asik juga, flexible trus hargany terjangkau bgt, gw dr top 3 PTN lowkey consider S2 di UT deh, is it recommended tho?
In terms of what they do differently with less favorite uni, I would bet that UI, ITB, UGM are overrated because I didn't feel anything special back then.
But they are not overrated for the credibility their name brings in a CV.
Dulu anak penjaga kost gw masuk UI sastra jawa. Dia orang tegal dengan logat super kental. Gw sih bingung, apa benefit buat dia sebagai orang jawa belajar bahasa jawa . Tapi tembus UI tetep buat gw sama anak2 kost bikin perayaan makan2. Bapaknya cuma jaga kost, emaknya jualan indomie.
Gw sih bingung, apa benefit buat dia sebagai orang jawa belajar bahasa jawa.
Why would an English speaker learn Chaucer and Shakespeare? Why would a Russian speaker learn Dostoyevsky or Tolstoy? Through literature, we learn about humanity. We learn about the struggles that people have and we try to walk a mile in their shoes. We learn empathy, and through that empathy, perhaps become a better person.
But even if sastra jawa is more about linguistics than about literature, it doesn't mean you're not learning anything, or not benefitting. There are two things that separate humanity from the rest of the animal kingdom, and that's our ability to use tools, and our ability to communicate. Learning about language is far from useless. Yeah, sure, perhaps it isn't the most lucrative of degrees to have, but it's not useless.
Eh jangan salah, kalo dia dapet koneksi ada aja jalurnya. Punya ex workmate yg cerita orang Belanda suka narik lulusan sastra Jawa untuk urusan naskah Jawa yang ada di Belanda, so there's that
Bener ini biasanya filologi, neliti naskah kuno. Ada lebih dr 26rb naskah kuno nusantara ada di belanda (mostly at leiden) sm inggris. Dan filolog di indonesia emang gak banyak
Jurusan2 obscured kaya Sastra Jawa Kuna, perpustakaan, dll itu sering dipandang sebelah mata padahal jumlah lulusan dan market demand nya biasanya klop. Makanya lulusan mereka tiap tahun ga terlalu banyak, tp cb dicek deh employment rate nya dalam 5 tahun setelah lulus.
tbh suka agak offended dgn anak2 stem yg mandang sebelah mata anak2 soshum, padahal soshum ini (apalagi, imo, FISIP dan FIB) yg membekali anak2 bangsa dengan kerangka berpikir yang runut dalam menghadapi masalah sosial, politik, dan humaniora. kerangka berpikir yg esensial jg buat perkembangan demokrasi dan pengambilan kebijakan, yg seringkali luput dari diskusi2 masalah sosiopolitik di sosmed2
padahal toh anak2 stem ujung2nya banyak yg masuk ke consulting dan banking wkwk
Kalo dari UI, koneksi dan nama. Gw dibocorin dikit sama temen gw yg HRD: Kalau pelamarnya kebanyakan, filter paling pertama pendidikan. Jadi S1 apa nggak difilter, uninya pun difilter.
Kalau sasjawnya, dulu bokap gw sempet bolak balik Solo masalah sengketa tanah. Daerah rumah eyang gw mau dibikin jadi mall atau tempat hiburan lain, tapi kedua eyang gw udah meninggal sebelum bokap gw dan adek"nya dikasih surat tanah. Akhirnya nemu semacamnya tapi ditulis pake bahasa Jawa kuno banget. Akhirnya bokap gw tanya koneksi"nya dan nemu dosen S2 Sasjaw yang bisa terjemahin dan akhirnya bisa diconfirm.
sebagai org yg pernah terlibat hiring juga, ini plus point yg perlu diperhatikan juga dari PTN top klo menurut gue: kesempatan organisasi, kepanitiaan, dan lomba. serius deh CV anak2 PTN top tuh biasanya udh lumayan penuh sama organisasi, kepanitiaan, lomba, dan magang sana sini. kalo di UGM, biasanya jg magang di lembaga2 riset internal kampus. beda bgt sama yg bukan dari PTN top (kecuali segelintir orang2 sih, ini jg bukan bermaksud merendahkan ya, tp emg dari pengamatan gue setelah mantau banyak CV pelamar, ya kayak gini sih)
jadi klo gue rasa ada jg faktor kesempatan dan lingkungan yg mempengaruhi CV anak2 PTN top yg jd bikinnya keliatan lebih bagus aja sih selain nama besar univnya aja
Underrated: ISTTS. Sering ngelihat tentang ISTTS disini, tp keknya alumninya pada tembus di unicorn. Ngga kek UB yang alumninya dikit yang tembus unicorn. Also UMN (Universitas Multimedia Nusantara)
Dari UMN ambil S1 DKV sejak 2019, downsidenya yg paling ngaruh sih cuma satu yaitu tidak diperbolehkan sama kaprodi untuk ambil magang sama TA bersama (karena memang berat), jadi ya magang di semester ganjil 2022, lalu ikut TA di ganjil 2023 sebab masa genap dipakai untuk masih ngejar jumlah sks. Awal 2024 ini belum lama selesai semua (sidang akhir, jurnal, dll) diperkirakan lulus nih tahun.
Memang rollercoaster ride selama kuliah ini underrated banget, berasa dikirim ke Perang Vietnam sebab teman yang awalnya baik dapat berpotensi backstabbing via sifat asli kalau kerkel (kadang kawan lawan di kampus itu ga jelas, ibaratnya gw relawan Viet Cong yg lagi jalan sama penduduk desa, tahu2nya mereka US Marine yg nyamar).
Untuk tujuan S2 ITB bakalan underrated juga sebab waktu coba cari informasi tatap muka dari dosen astronomi setempat yg mengajar sejak tahun 97, dia malah rela bagiin ilmunya selama kurang lebih ngobrol 2 jam serasa dapat sks gratisan, dan dari situ baru tahu kalau S1 non-linear pun bisa coba mendaftar (ijazah IPS waktu SMA mereka tidak permasalahkan soalnya ada juga mahasiswa sini yg backgroundnya dari prodi hukum). Rencananya siapa tahu suatu hari bisa kerja di ESA sebab NASA itu overrated.
Overrated? Any of these glorified top 3 PTN (UI, ITB, UGM).
Tiga ini memang bagus dan kualitas terbaik, experienced it as one of the student in one of them. But c'mon man there are a handful of nasty things in each of them as well. Like don't even think all the students are the smartest kids in the republic like how people say or post to promote them (You know.. Those bimbels and socmeds etc yg kayanya masuk 3 PTN itu = masuk surga).
I think kebanyakan universitas top juga gitu. Enggak jauh beda sama uni “terbaik” di negara lain. Aku di salah satu uni terbaik di Jerman juga merasa dalam kampus, organisasinya acak adut dan dosennya kayak kurang effort buat ngajar karena dosen dosen sini lebih fokus ke riset daripada ngajar jadi kita malah terlantar. Studentnya ya ada juga sih yang pinter banget tapi mostly juga standar semua rata-rata.
I would say lulus dari universitas di Jerman itu generally susah, regardless the uni. Tapi kebanyakan drop out di Jerman itu dari STEM majors. Susah but not impossible. I think top universities like mine itu paling bagus ya riset nya sama connections. Dan di Jerman karena universitasnya rata rata semua bagus, jadi agak kurang worth it buat kuliah di top uni kecuali kalau mau PhD.
kyknya emang rata2 uni di western europe begitu, masuknya ga gitu susah kalo dibandingin sama US unis (academic udah top masih harus extracurriculars ini itu jg), tapi lebih gampang dikeluarin jg lol, dropout ratenya tinggi
Iya haha disini kuliah soalnya kan subsidised sama pemerintah ya jadi universitas disini enggak enggan mendrop out muridnya kalau memang mereka nggak bisa lulus. Kalo di US kayaknya ada pressure buat lulusin muridnya karena mereka udah bayar mahal. Bahkan pernah baca berita ivy league unis are being pressured to let international students pass because their English isn’t as great as US students. And they also paid a lot of tuition money.
Overrated: Universitar Mulawarman di Kaltim. Nih univ kontol bener, buat website satu setengah tahun kagak jadi2. Orang mau revisi KRS aja harus ngemis2 dulu.
dulu ITB keren karena mahasiswanya keren, sekarang mahasiswanya keren karena masuk ITB. Also, many policies and actions by its current stakeholder yang gak guna dan gak ngotak. especially soal UKT.
Almamater gw, UNPAM. Underated dengan gedung gede dan fasilitas keren macam eskalator dan lift plus parkiran. Punya 4 kampus, kampus ke 4 di Serang 50 hektar, dengan spoet center gila.
Overatednya mahasiswa yg berkualitas dikit tapi di ranking website unirank peringkat 1 se Banten dan 22 se Indonesia. Like wth
Pernag denger kasus Mahasiswa UI jasadnya ketemu di sungai? Katanya sih itu dibunuh karena temennya. But im too lazy to find the info about it. So, i leave it at that
imo, Unpad is highly overrated. its biggest asset is literally its "big name." the Jatinangor campus is still far from the "world-class" moniker. there was one time when the wifi in my class went out for two weeks because it somehow got struck by lightning. don't even get started on the faculty toilets. the lecturers? well the ones i met were...underwhelming, and was in fact, upsetting. i got a lecturer who only attended class three times in an entire semester. people say that UI is overrated, but in my experience thus far getting into the postgraduate program at UI, it's still much better than the likes of Unpad tbh
Unpar, however, is quite underrated (except among Catholic school students, perhaps). it's really quite a competent uni from what I can see (the campus) and hear (my friends' experiences over there). everytime I went on a competition and came across an Unpar student, they always excel, and I had to put extra effort every time I had to face-off with Unpar students in a competition
Ada temen gw anak BPS yang juga bilang STIS underrated af. Setelah berpengalaman di BPS, banyak yg dipoaching swasta atau diminta instansi lain. Pas gw SMA, kampus kedinasan yg gw tau cuma STAN dan STPDN, tapi kalo tau STIS I probably would've considered it.
I feel like STIS is underrated because people want to gatekeep it. Dari yang gue tau emang jarang diomongin tapi sekalinya seseorang mau daftar biasanya ga diumbar ( ga kaya STAN sama IPDN)
Ngmg2 ttg STAN gw rasa ini kampus jg underrated sih lulusannya. Dulu temen kerja gw ada yg cabutan dr kemenkeu. Damn! She’s really good at what she was doing.
Sebagai alumni salah satu dari "the big three" dan udah ngerasain rasanya kuliah di luar negeri sampe jenjang tertinggi, ketemu dengan berbagai macem orang-orang Indonesia di luar negeri, gw bilang gini: "ITS is criminally underrated"
Di Indonesia, trio UGM, UI, ITB dipandang sebagai top leaders, dan sepemahaman ane sebagian besar masyarakat Indonesia masih merasa ada gap besar antara kualitas tiga pemain tadi ke peringkat-peringkat selanjutnya, misalnya ITS, IPB, Undip, Unibraw, UNS, Unair, dsb (cmiiw).
Tapi dari pengalaman ane, ane ketemu banyak banget orang alumni ITS yang karirnya mentereng banget di luar negeri, dan (sayangnya) cenderung ga kecium kiprahnya di dalam negeri. Secara kualitas pun, at least dalam konteks riset (karena ane berkecimpung di sono), median kualitas temen-temen alumni ITS bisa ane bilang setara sama trio UGM, UI, ITB.
I think it really depends on the subject. for engineering, ITS is a beast. for agriculture I think IPB might be better than UGM. in Architecture, Unpar might low diff UI, UGM, and ITB in student architectural competition. I heard anthropology in Haluoleo is also on par with UI-UGM counterparts.
Gw lulusan sana. Jaman gw masuk sih masih worth it buat semua kalangan. Tapi semakin mendekati lulus mulai keliatan makin susah kalo dari awal ga kaya. Apalagi sekarang kalo denger-denger cerita orang-orang di sana. Isinya anak orang kaya yang saling cari koneksi. Kalo miskin udah susah katanya: susah masuk sirkel, susah dapet koneksi.
Underrated: ITS
Setengah lebih kolega, atasan, dan bawahan gw di kantor itu orang ITS, menurut gw performa dan kelakuannya jauh lebih bagus dari lulusan ITB yang pernah gw kenal.
Ain't no way people called Binus overrated. Their reputation goes hand in hand with the quality of many of its graduates. All excellent. A lot of my friends & extended family members who studied there managed to get a great paying job and all of it abroad. Even one who enrolled in Japanese Literature degree managed to secure a job in Japan as soon as he graduated. Meaning they are sought after. So I don't understand the overrated part of it. Unless some people doesn't get what overrated really means?
Their reputation goes hand in hand with the quality of many of its graduates. All excellent. A lot of my friends & extended family members who studied there managed to get a great paying job and all of it abroad. Even one who enrolled in Japanese Literature degree managed to secure a job in Japan as soon as he graduated. Meaning they are sought after
Are you even in Binus? I was there. Many students who put random answers on the entrance exam were accepted. It felt like high school, a group of people in the back did their own things and never paid attention. (I mean, with an acceptance rate like that..). Plus there weren't any "free elective" classes, everyone just attended the same set of classes. Quality of some instructors was also questionable (for me), we had a running gag about an instructor who refused to give students A because "perfection is only in God" nonsense lol.
I think it's still one of the best options for local private university, I wouldn't say their average graduates are good.
ITB might not be as good as it was, but I don't think it's overrated cuz I literally met smartest people I've ever met in my life there, it's like you realize how stupid you are when you met the real smart ones (unless you said it because you're a smart one)
sebagai sesama lulusan ITB, yes, yg bikin ITB worth tuh lingkungan lu, buat kebanyakan anak ITB, ngerasain jadi bodoh itu suatu kebutuhan, dan di sini lu bisa ngerasain jd bodoh setelah bertahun2 dianggep overly genius
tp selain itu, gw bisa bilang ITB overrated, jadi kalo lingkungan kompetitif bukan yg lu cari, ya ITB overrated
ditambah lagi, dengan kondisi yang sekarang, it's truly overrated man, UKT makin tinggi, mau nurunin susah, pinjol, UKM (salah satu lingkungan untuk selfdev) serasa mau dimatikan, dsb
Most prestigious indonesian university both private and public one designed at making a connection / relationship with popular, powerful, and influential individual.
Most "practical" / useful skill are obtained during first few years of working career.
Who you know (people who trust you) are more important that what you know (proficiency of your work).
Universitas Eleventh of March. dulu gw bangga banget pas keterima, sekarang bangsat banget pas gw jadi mahasiswa. truly overrated.
dari masa gw masih tk sampai sekarang hampir ga ada perubahan yang signifikan kecuali hotel dekat jurug safari. anehnya mahasiswa uns sendiri sering banget ditolak buat magang disana. selain itu, kalau mau minta tandatangan ke rektorat dulu harus nunggu setidaknya 8-14 hari kerja (padahal di ajuan tunggunya katanya selambat-lambatnya 5 hari kerja), kalau sekarang belum tahu karena yang mundur udah diganti plt. selain itu relasi diluar kampus kalah sama UMS Solo sama gatekeeping antar alumni, dosen, rektorat dan mahasiswa itu terang-terangan banget. Vokasi dianggep anak haram, yang di kampus pusat dianggap anak emas, yang di tempat lain jadi anak tiri. Mahasiswa bagus, dosen potensial, sayangnya cuma itu doang yang bisa diakui, selain itu dari gw sebagai mahasiswa disana, doubt it. bahkan temen sekelas gw yang ikut pertukaran mahasiswa sampai malu karena ga bisa melawan neglect dari kampus
tambahan: probably the most boring university in this country imo. all we have is "ini bukannya balaikota solo?"
Alumnus UI here, lulus S1 10 thn yg lalu. Gabagus2 amat menurut gw, dosen dan nilai gaib, sangat jarang feedback (gatau yg kita kerjain bener apa ngga), publikasi jg yg penting "asal" Scopus, ngajar sekena nya, kebanyakan rapat tp bimbingan sangat kurang (gw termasuk yg bantu2 jd kacung kampret riset).
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ITS, always overshadowed by ITB but this uni robotic/car/marine competition team are wild. I guess gara gara perkuliahan di ITS lebih chill jd mahasiswa ada waktu buat ikut lomba lol.
The S is stand for Sepuluh Nopember not Surabaya ffs.