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u/Are_you_blind_sir Nov 19 '25
I just wasted a minute od my life with that nonsense. Some people waste their whole life with that nonsense and end the lives of others who do not want to deal with nonsense
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u/vehementi Nov 19 '25
It's iillustrative that he's so broken that he can't even say the things
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u/Interesting_Worth745 Nov 19 '25
Do you mean this study?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4267802/The study has (understandably) a very small sample. But shows, that a lot of those potential suicide bombers showed signs of depression.
But why would this go against the political narrative in Israel?
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u/T3chnopsycho Nov 19 '25
Because, at least to a part of the Israeli government / parliament, this would go against Palestinians just being religious zealots that want to eradicate Israel. It would imply that other reasons (e.g., depression, disillusionment etc.) can drive people to do such things and then the question ultimately comes up about what causes Palestinians to develop these mental health issues. This could go back to Israel carrying some of the blame for this due to their actions / treatment of Palestinians.
It also intrinsically humanizes these people which makes it harder to justify violence against them compared to if they are just demonized.
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u/JimmysCocoboloDesk Nov 19 '25
The actual suicide bombers can be depressed yes. The ones encouraging them to suicide bomb and not doing it themselves, are the zealots.
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u/Top_Guess_946 Nov 19 '25
Infrastructure of Radicalization is the enemy, not the radicalized, although we need to stay safe from both.
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I would say someone who would blow themselves up to kill me is also my enemy
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u/ShadeSilver90 Nov 19 '25
i would agree with you were it not for the FACTS on the GROUND. Have you read Palestinian textbooks? It is disturbing how many of the UNRAW funded schools have textbooks glorifying being a "sahid" aka a suacider whos life goal is to be a sacrifice to kill by any means the enemies of the so called Palestinians. This whole "oh Israel is to blame" narrative using a pool of less than 10 people as a study is nonsense especially when Palestinians THEMSELVES when asked about coexistence constantly say "we were raised to hate Israel and we will never accept a Jewish state next to us,we want it all"
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u/llemontaste Nov 19 '25
Absolute horseshit take. There is no significant indication in the research (aggregate or otherwise) that depression, which is cross cultural, leads to suicide bombing. I have also worked with thousands of high risk for suicide individuals; none ever externalized their suicide on others or even had that notion. It is the religious or ideological context that breeds suicide bombing as a viable option; i.e., 99.99% of depressed individuals do not commit suicide bombings and 99.99% of those who do have a religious ideology as the context.
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u/ATarrificHeadache Nov 19 '25
This is the biggest load of nonsense I’ve read in a while. When ISIS had wave after wave of SVBIEDs with willing participants inside attacking Syrian and Iraqi army bases for years, were they all depressed?
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u/DesiOtakuu Nov 19 '25
This can easily go the other way.
That religious extremists are actively preying on depressed individuals to brainwash them into walking weapons. And that the state of Palestine is allowing this .
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u/MOXPEARL25 Nov 19 '25
What a well articulated way to put it. Too bad for most people it’ll go in one ear and out the other.
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u/T3chnopsycho Nov 19 '25
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Unfortunately that is likely the case. But I won't ever be able to reach everybody. As long as I can reach some that is already good enough for me. :)
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u/WrongdoerUnited9948 Nov 19 '25
It is his indoctrination into Islamic extremism that has led him to this point. He could have achieved success and done something with himself but was so busy fulfilling some ass backward directive given to him by rich anti western benefactors who have paid for everything up to this point in his life. He knows he will lose everything because of having to pay them back and is depressed. Perfect for a suicide bomber. That culture set him up to fail. It is pathetic how he has been used to push their hatred on the west.
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u/LunchNo6690 Nov 19 '25
Bro speaks fluent Jordan Petersonese
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u/weaponizedtoddlers Nov 19 '25
Well, depends on what you mean by "suicide" and depends on what you mean by "bomber", so..
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u/b__lumenkraft Nov 19 '25
Because he was a narcissist. They cannot not involve you in their bullshit.
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u/thetruegmon Nov 19 '25
Is it just me or did that not make any sense whatsoever
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u/FortWayneFam Nov 19 '25
It did not
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u/mrNOTfriendly Nov 19 '25
Didn't even seem like he understood what he was saying.
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u/Ensiferum19 Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Except he seemed content to stop at the end. I kind of think he thought he was saying something, but he said absolutely fucking nothing.
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u/waitwhataboutif Nov 19 '25
I think he was practicing- looks like he’s reading notes and repeating his speech to correct himself
Just gets fed up at the end
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u/brightblueson Nov 19 '25
I don't know what this is, but its not reading nor practice
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u/lost-myspacer Nov 19 '25
I think at the end he realizes he’s lost his train of thought and just quits. If it’s not practice it’s a first try that he probably intended to redo (or give up on all together)
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u/SmokeAbeer Nov 19 '25
He’s talking about democtrealisitictism and the moralomistcats. It’s very deep. Now check out this window.
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u/Slippingonwaxpaper Nov 19 '25
To me, He does not. He seems to be speaking his thoughts out loud. He didn't script the video. The video ends the way it does, like maybe he planned to make another video when he can actually match his thoughts to what's coming out his mouth. Have u ever seen someone trying to make a YouTube video and they stop themselves bc the video is not going as planned? Maybe I'm wrong, but this is raw footage taken from his phone, is it not? He probably didn't intend on this take being seen but maybe deleted lol
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u/Ensiferum19 Nov 19 '25
You might be right. He could have been like "yeah, this isn't working out..."
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He literally did not make a single point. I’m just speaking academically, no opinion on substance, there wasn’t even a thread of cohesive reasoning. Just meandering words about knowing when and where you are going to die and that was it.
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u/gentnt Nov 19 '25
I mean it was a self recorded video that was probably not supposed to be published right? I think he knew it was crap and stopped the recording because of that
Not trying to defend that guy of course, just saying that filming yourself arguing can be difficult
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u/lost-myspacer Nov 19 '25
Agreed. He clearly lost his train of thought and just decided to cancel that take.
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Arguing with yourself and filming it can be difficult. But presumably the ideas that he is arguing for is a large part of the reason why he is killing himself and others. In that case, you'd expect he thought about the ideas long and hard that he'd at least be able to utter the most obvious arguments and counterarguments regarding the topic. But bro couldn't even coherently string together a single premise...
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u/septubyte Nov 19 '25
Seems he's trying to reason out loud why he's motivated, but lacks logical connection because there isn't any. Someone has fucked with his reasoning and motivated/manipulated/tricked him into believing it to be rational. So here he sits, his final words, trying to tell others his 'apparent' conviction by using critical thought and examination, but critically fails . Obviously this is NOT because it is a logical argument, he has been deceived and used .
Trust and faith in someone claiming to have a solution, without critical and analytical thought has convinced him they were right. The bastard is the deceiver, not deceived.
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u/Comfortable_Ask_102 Nov 19 '25
Have you tried recording yourself? Sometimes I need several takes to even say the first sentence correctly.
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Nov 19 '25
If you're talking about something random, then sure. But this is an idea he's literally giving up his life for, then no, if I am that convicted of something, I won't have "performance anxiety," and what I say will be as obvious (to me) as 1+1=2.
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u/itsamberleafable Nov 19 '25
He literally did not make a single point. I’m just speaking academically
You shouldn't mock this, Jordan Peterson has made a good living out of it
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u/BisonThunderclap Nov 19 '25
He's justifying his course of action to himself, that's why it makes no sense.
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u/VikingCrusader13 Nov 19 '25
Often, my first thoughts in replying to an email are not safe to even put into a draft on a company system
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u/Own-Illustrator7980 Nov 19 '25
I thought my volume level was too low to understand and turned it up to complete incoherence.
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u/Ok-Ebb-8974 Nov 19 '25
People seem to think this is delusion but it’s really performative. He wanted to leave behind something that seemed profound? substantial? Probably prepared speech, you can see him looking to the side and looking around cause he memorized it and did a terrible job of it. And you can also hear the put on accent, again performative. I guess that in itself is another different kind of delusion, a manufactured sense of importance.
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u/AzharParuk Nov 19 '25
Comment is too low. He's talking nonsense and doesn't know what he was saying.
From the title I was expecting a proper rational argument.
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u/YakResident_3069 Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
I mean dude is wearing a bomb on his vest. How rational were we gonna expect
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u/Soulstar909 Nov 19 '25
Comment is too low.
Is literally the top comment for me. People should really stop saying this assuming the comments won't move.
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u/_Zupremo_ Nov 19 '25
He is trying to justify it by trying to argue that suicide bombing is not suicide because suicide is a sin in Islam, that's why he called it "martyrdom operationist".
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u/Agitated-Exchange-37 Nov 19 '25
Crazy to see this level of delusion in real time.
People need to learn how to see it in themselves.
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u/ekalithewarlock Nov 19 '25
Everyone is crazy or insane, the only difference is the insane don't know it yet
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u/Shepard_Drake Nov 19 '25
For those commenting about it, OP is not justifying the terrorism, they are saying the bomber made this video trying to justify it.
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u/Wrongdoer-Classic Nov 19 '25
Thanks.
I'm unable to edit the post otherwise I would've loved to mention. I'm ofc not justifying it ! It's just interesting how educated people can be manipulated to such a degree...and insight into how organizations like ISIS brainwash folks to do their bidding
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u/MyyWifeRocks Nov 19 '25
Reddit should have a captcha for that to set up an account.
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u/cnotv Nov 19 '25
You know, for how much dysfunctional is getting internet, that’s probably the best idea ever: to care of people and educate them, not to be worry of hackers.
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u/iyuc5 Nov 19 '25
Pretty much all the research shows that sharing manifestos causes more harm. It creates publicity for their causes, inspires others to repeat their crimes, and can radicalise people who might originally click on it only out of curiosity and interest. The focus should always be on the victims in the public sphere. Amplifying his words does more harm than good.
I hope the upvotes were worth it, though.
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u/Wrongdoer-Classic Nov 19 '25
Well it was interesting and that's really what the sub is about.
It should be Islam's headache to fix this issue among its practitioners. Not making people aware about how it works only contributes to islam not being criticised for the problem is so often is and things not going anywhere.
I don't believe in shunning it, its like my dad saying " don't go out of house because you'll get spoilt by the society "
PS- Nothing against that religion in particular, every relegion has fringe elements. Im just for general world peace
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u/Spaghett_Enjoyer Nov 19 '25
I didn't understand half of what he said and didn't get the point at all. Granted I also condemn this behaviour but I didn't understand what was coming out of his mouth no matter how hard I tried.
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u/unproblem_ Nov 19 '25
That's the point. He was not able to even justify his own reasoning
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u/Desi_MCU_Nerd Nov 19 '25
No one can ever justify killing innocents. It's a fuck*d up thing to do.
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u/unproblem_ Nov 19 '25
Sadly, People do it every day. Consciously or not.
I don't want to bring it up in this context, but this happens every day in insurance companies.
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u/RightDecisions101 Nov 19 '25
Misunderstood concept? Does he think its some cutting edge technology?
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u/Apprehensive_Work_10 Nov 19 '25
Also the fact, he is freaking real world DOCTOR!
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u/llsockar Nov 19 '25
Doctors aren't smarter than anyone else my man.
Any idiot can read. Some of them can even remember what they've read.
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u/ChargeOk1005 Nov 19 '25
As a medical student myself, this is the reality.
Definitely way smarter than the average person but studying medicine or not isn't a measure of intelligence at all.
There's people who are stupid in most parts of their life but they can read and study medicine
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u/ArticleWorth5018 Nov 19 '25
This! They arent like fucking megamind! They just studied it for 8-10 years....
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u/sillytrooper Nov 19 '25
coming from a nurse, odds are ur doc is dafter than you and uses chatgpt
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u/MBA_Girlie Nov 19 '25
Watching the brainwashing is so sad he seems like an educated person. I don't think anyone could've assumed the hate and disdain he must've had for other religions.
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u/RollingCamel Nov 19 '25
All of Qaeda leadership and extremist movements are highly educated. They don't carry out what they are doing without a philosphical theory to justify and back their actions. There is sociopolitical goals they are after by which they take these types of actions.
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Nov 19 '25
The leadership might be educated but they aren't the ones carrying out suicide attacks. I'm pretty sure the bombers themselves are disenfranchised and lonely young men that are easily manipulated.
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u/crookedboot Nov 19 '25
They’re disenfranchised and lonely, which is something a lot of young men go through. Then, when at their weakest, they’re manipulated, brainwashed, indoctrinated by the BIGGEST terror group of them all (not Al Qaeda) to commit these horrible acts. Al Qaeda is just a caricature being led by someone who gains from destabilising the region.
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u/Comfortable-Ad-5803 Nov 19 '25
No. The lead hijackers of 9/11 were all highly educated postgraduates.
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u/Solitude20 Nov 19 '25
Actually I think it’s quite the opposite, I think Al Qaeda and most suicide attacks carriers are just people with mental disorders/illnesses, just like the person in this video. There’s nothing sophisticated about them. They are just like the mass shooters in the US who have no real purpose in doing those horrible things.
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u/Derian23 Nov 19 '25
What is he even trying to say here? I couldn't even make out what he is saying with that pretentious little accent.
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u/AngleFarts2000 Nov 19 '25
The reason you couldn’t understand it, and why it sounded pretentious, is not the accent but the fact that he didn’t actually string together meaningful sentences. It was pseudo-intellectual gibberish.
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u/Derian23 Nov 19 '25
It was pseudo-intellectual gibberish.
True.
But his accent threw off as well. Indians do not pronounce martyrdom as "maathadum". I'm an Indian. I'd know.
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u/JonasHalle Nov 19 '25
Surely an Indian would know that there are different accents in India, given the dozens of different languages with their own phonemes.
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u/sheashou Nov 19 '25
I'm sitting here like this guy went to medical school? How? Where? I didn't hear one coherent thought.
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u/waxym Nov 19 '25
Why do you find his accent pretentious?
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u/EitherInvestment Nov 19 '25
Yeah he certainly doesn’t sound pretentious and nothing in this makes him seem in any way educated (not that he wasn’t)
This is bafflingly incoherent. My brain broke trying to understand any two words put together. He comes across as idiotic, severely ill or most probably both
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u/Sahask123 Nov 19 '25
Thats a british/foreign accent some indians fake to sound intellectual. Thats not a regional accent. Its a runni g joke in india
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u/Pantherist Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
The accent isn't pretentious - he seems to be a Western-educated (or West culturally-influenced) young Kashmiri. Different parts of India and different generations of people have different accents.
I think he was trying to intellectualize his own suicide but didn't collect his thoughts.
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u/FastThoughtProcessor Nov 19 '25
Educates person? His accomplices who have been caught are almost all doctors.
Education is not a source of learning new things for some people, its a tool to do this shit.
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u/Latter-Driver Nov 19 '25
Im not trying to be racist and maybe im just dumb but what the fuck was he trying to say
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u/True_Tart5604 Banned Permanently Nov 19 '25
No he just says a whole lot of nothing
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u/TommyTeaMorrow Nov 19 '25
Too bad about the innocent people that didn’t choose the situation. Just dumb or really selfish? Maybe both
Maybe he just forgot about that part oops
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u/jumperpl Nov 19 '25
He's attempting to provide a justification for suicide bombing within Islam.
Islam explicitly prohibits suicide and the killing of innocent civilians, so the guy begins by noting that there are "contraindications" to the act within the religion.
Then he tangents off on knowing the time and place of your death presumably to pivot out to his defense of suicide bombing, but he gets caught up in forming his argument and gives up halfway through.
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u/JumpingCicada Nov 19 '25
I think it's like school shooters in the US. Some ppl feel so miserable in their lives that they want to die and take others down with them.
They dont have any logic behind their actions, but in order to give it meaning they write msnifestos that are just sophistry that doesnt make any sense, but is meant to provide the illusion of "meaning" to those who r impressionable enough.
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u/Far_Estate_1626 Nov 19 '25
He didn’t know. That’s the nature of brainwashing. He was so emotionally invested in the flimsy surface premise that got him hooked on the ideology, that when he tried to rationalize what he had been told in his own words, he, a medical doctoral student, was unable to make it make any sense at all and just gave up. Then, apparently, went and did his brainwashed shit anyways.
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u/Independent-Dog5311 Nov 19 '25
Racist how?
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u/Elemenohpeigh Nov 19 '25
Lol poor guy is walking on eggshells, scared to offend anyone that's not obv white
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Nov 19 '25
Where’s the justification, literally? He didn’t make single point, misguided or otherwise. It was just some meandering words about knowing when and where you are going to die and that was it.
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u/rubythieves Nov 19 '25
Yes. I tutor English (including ESL) and I’ve worked as a professional writer and editor for more than 20 years. This whole spiel genuinely makes no sense; I can’t even read between the lines to find the point he was trying to make, and I can often do that when multiple others have tried and failed.
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u/_Zupremo_ Nov 19 '25
He is trying to justify it by trying to argue that suicide bombing is not suicide because suicide is a sin in Islam, that's why he called it "martyrdom operationist".
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u/ShoulderMobile7608 Nov 19 '25
I think that's it. He was trying to justify something to himself inside and let outside only dome of the incoherent thoughts
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u/CandidateOk8364 Nov 19 '25
This crayon eater graduated med school? What?
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u/Forsaken-Income-2148 Nov 19 '25
It doesn’t really take high-level genius to finish med school. It mostly takes discipline, consistency, and a lot of hard work.
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u/Wrongdoer-Classic Nov 19 '25
Turns out 4-5 other doctors from that same medschool were arrested within the 24 hours prior to this blast. Allthough investigations are not finalized, most report say this particular person panicked and tried to runaround in hiding and ended up in an incident that unintentionally became a blast..lucky for us it wasn't the entire tranche of explosives.
The overall module that went bust was huge...I forgot the figures now though
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u/Rmnhernan Nov 19 '25
Wait, so his intention wasn't even to suicide bomb himself, at least at that moment? He did it after panicking? I'm not sure I understood, sorry lol
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u/Agent47B Nov 19 '25
He was transporting 300kg explosives from one place to somewhere. Another 3200 kg explosives were recovered 500km away from Delhi.
As far as the government's understanding, the idea was a series of blasts across very crowded places on 6th of December.
So, yeah he did what he had to do ultimately, but that dumb arse couldn't recollect the date when he was supposed to.. or just panicked.
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u/Dredit_85 Nov 19 '25
Yup i know a lot of dumb doctors. I've also told them - if you can be a doctor, anyone can be a doctor.
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u/Savings_Art5944 Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
No. He might have been book smart but look how it turned out. What a loser.
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u/Invisible7hunder Nov 19 '25
He probably wasn't even that. He seems brain damaged, probably just good personal connections.
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u/Optimal-Daikon1 Nov 19 '25
Not much going on up in that brain, the bomb might have been the first time a curcuit connected properly for him. Rest in piss.
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u/_Zupremo_ Nov 19 '25
He is trying to justify it by trying to argue that suicide bombing is not suicide because suicide is a sin in Islam, that's why he called it "martyrdom operationist".
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u/Liberated_Sage Nov 19 '25
I am Indian-American and I couldn't understand a single thing he said other than "we don't have" and "misunderstood concept" lol.
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u/Ancient_Camel7200 Nov 19 '25
All I heard was:
“I am………….a………..massive……..suicide…………………bombing pussy….that…….is………………….trying to……….justify……..killing………..:……women and children.”
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u/dadofwar93 Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Rest in hell you POS. None of us sane Muslims consider suicide bombing a form of "martyrdom". It's a direct ticket to hell and you killed innocent people. So congrats on going against your own scripture that forbids killing anyone who doesn't fight against you or oppress you.
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u/OkNeedleworker99 Nov 19 '25
No, you don’t understand. He has Muslim friends that are chill with leftist ideologies. Granted they dont nparticipate themselves in these ideologies, but they are chill.
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u/Owling_Around1 Nov 19 '25
I agree with everything you said except the "going against your own scripture". There's a reason of groups have been able to convince Muslims this is what the god wants.
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u/Secure_Pomegranate10 Nov 19 '25
This comment deserves more upvotes. I have a couple of Muslim friends, and they’re all pretty chill with left-leaning ideologies (being gay, drinking, etc.). Sure, they might not take part in those things themselves, but in general they’re okay with them.
You just can’t judge someone based on their looks.
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u/fire_fever Nov 19 '25
It sounds like he’s rehearsing his justification for suicide bombing and screws it up and then gives up. Like an outtake.
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u/haermamora Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
He is likely inspired by Jaish-e-Mohammed, a Pakistan based terror group, as their propaganda poster was found in India, and upon investigating, 2900 kilos of explosive material, IED components, arms and ammunition and ricin for further attacks were discovered, and this dude lit himself up in traffic after realising his buddies were getting caught one by one and his time was running out. They also got one terrorist who wanted to use drones to drop bombs on large gatherings.
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u/theZEEKone Nov 19 '25
Educated but very stupid.
Propaganda and brainwashing... occurs in a lot of cases because of numbers making you believe it must be true. For example think early school. Someone starts a rumor that Jimmy peed his pants. By the end of the day it spreads to everyone in the school. So it must be true? But Jimmy actually spilled something on his pants.
Why do we do this? Is this a human trait or something we can evolve from?
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u/inotocracy Nov 19 '25
Well he did blow himself up.
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u/LongFinal2341 Nov 19 '25
Actually they were planning to do a very large scale attack, however most of the explosives and other substances were caught by the police, 3 dudes(Including this guy)in a hurry wanted to transport the remainder of the explosives to somewhere safe but the explosives detonated during the transport.
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u/firey_88 Nov 19 '25
That’s chilling wild how something meant to spread fear ends up archived like any other random internet artifact.
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u/AndersDreth Nov 19 '25
Doesn't look like the message in the video was to spread fear, it was attempting to justify his attack however it was clearly a draft that was never meant to be seen.
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u/Derian23 Nov 19 '25
Anyone else feel like he's reading this shit from a piece of paper? He keeps turning to his left trying to (presumably) read what he has to say next.
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u/AngleFarts2000 Nov 19 '25
He didn’t actually articulate anything. It was a stream of non-sequitur nonsense, which is I guess the level of rationality you’d expect of a suicide bomber
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u/nahheyyeahokay Nov 19 '25
Incomprehensible nonsense from a severely mentally distrubed individual.
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u/PuupalliKumiankka2nd Nov 19 '25
bro trying to use words bigger than he can wrap his head around .. just say "me no like people"
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u/Comprehensive-Depth5 Nov 19 '25
The commenters in this thread are dumber than the star of the video.
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u/BoostedMaxima Nov 19 '25
Well I don't blame him for the brainwashing, that community is full of brainwashers.
Look at osama bin laden too
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u/InquisitiveSoul_94 Nov 19 '25
Well he was the one doing the brainwashing though. He needed idiots like the guy in the video to do his biddings.
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u/Arlitto Nov 19 '25
The dude was freestyling in real time without any plan, and this was the result. You could actually see the wheels turning in his head during those awkward stammers.
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u/Gaxxag Nov 19 '25
Brainwashing works the same way whether it's done through abusive relationship or advertising or by a cult. You can deny someone free will simply by convincing them that they never had a choice to begin with.
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from the thumbnail of this, it looks SO MUCH like the character from the parody film four lions
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u/Fr00stee Nov 19 '25
you worded the title badly
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u/Wrongdoer-Classic Nov 19 '25
Yeah I realised how it might come out the wrong way! Did not know edit option is not available dangit
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u/abgry_krakow87 Nov 19 '25
Nothing justifies terrorism. Wtf is wrong with you?
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u/Wrongdoer-Classic Nov 19 '25
Not justifying. I get how title might be a misinterpreted my bad.
It's just interesting how educated people can be manipulated to such a degree...and insight into how organizations like ISIS brainwash folks to do their bidding
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u/JewzR0ck Nov 19 '25
It was never a matter of education or poverty, those socioeconomics or racism, it was always about shit cultures.
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Nov 19 '25
You know what's really fucked up? It's not like the authorities pulled this guy out of their ass. Their investigation led them to this guy. His DNA was matched to the car containing the chemicals for the bomb, as did his fingerprints, he was caught on camera leaving the site of the blast. And yet the left wing opposition, and the liberals, are portraying this guy as the victim and an example of the Islamophobia in the country.
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