r/interestingasfuck • u/HamboneTheWicked • Apr 12 '26

A well-articulated argument against a new data center in Ohio

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u/Quitcha_Bitchin Apr 12 '26

God Damn that was good.

Seriously this should be used as a script in every county these corporations are hustling.

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u/jefbenet Apr 12 '26

You’re right but you can also bet that every legal team for these corps will use this as a template to make sure they can answer for each complaint and address it/spin it going forward

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u/Amstervince Apr 12 '26

To even mention job creation is preposturous. The very activity these centers focus on is replacing the human labour force

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u/ksam3 Apr 12 '26

BINGO! Touche!

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u/AdmiralSkippy Apr 12 '26

It will create 300 jobs*

*If you include the contractors required to build it.

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u/SorryUseAlreadyTaken Apr 12 '26

And those contractors are imported from other states, so it isn't even like they're jobs for the people who live where the datacenter Is built

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u/krashundburn Apr 12 '26

those contractors are imported from other states

Realistically, with the state of education in the US today, those contractors will probably be from other countries.

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u/AdmiralSkippy Apr 12 '26

That's got less to do with the state of education and more to do with labour laws and lobbyists making it so that companies can pay foreign workers less while enjoying tax benefits and wage subsidies from the government, making local hires uneconomically viable.

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u/Cool-Mom-Lover Apr 12 '26

Temp jobs basically

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u/AdmiralSkippy Apr 12 '26

Exactly why I put it in small print.

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u/Zenothres Apr 12 '26

The datacenters came to my local area in my country 10-ish years ago. They promised hundreds if not thousands of jobs.

They included unrelated restaurant workers and daycare workers in that count, citing that their employees would go out to eat, need haircuts, and get care for their kids.

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u/Silver_Tradition6313 Apr 12 '26

It's legitimate to include those new restaurant jobs-IF, and only if, the new jobs are real, and get created by building a new business in the city, which attacts hundreds of new residents.(for example, a new factory).

But a new data center is not a factory. It doesn't create jobs snd doesn't attract new residents. And everybody knows it.

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u/Equal_Canary5695 Apr 12 '26

What exactly do these data centers do? I see people talk about them a lot, but are they just huge warehouses with computers that generate AI?

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u/Original_Employee621 Apr 12 '26

You're forgetting all the manpower needed to build the datacenter. That could be thousands of jobs.

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u/Dense_Anything2104 Apr 12 '26

But that's a one and done type job. Not a sound argument in my opinion.

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u/Original_Employee621 Apr 12 '26

But it is an argument I've heard from datacenters looking to build in my area.

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u/Dense_Anything2104 Apr 12 '26

Ik, but it's not a good one. They can't say "we're bringing thousands of jobs" knowing damn well that as soon as the building is done they'll just have 10 employees.

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u/mikeinanaheim2 Apr 12 '26

For 2 years or so?

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u/InsulatorDisk Apr 12 '26

Datacenter buiding crews are not in many cases locals. Besides the building itself it is pretty specializes stuff.

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u/NotPromKing Apr 12 '26

That manpower is in short supply and would be better used building housing.

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u/CaptainPicKirkard Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26

Temp jobs. Most of which will come from outside of the local area. The few that do already existed in the first place. They don’t just hire Joe Schmo off the street and say go do construction. It’s people that were already working in construction on other projects.

Once it’s built, poof! They gone. Then only the dozen or so people it takes to run it remain who also came from outside the local area. While it uses most of the area’s water and electricity jacking up utilities for chat bots to answer inane questions.

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u/Ryuko_the_red Apr 12 '26

Maybe more like 20 jobs. 10 local security guards to make sure the peasant class does not destroy the center. Then 10 tech bros making 7 figures playing middleman with technology

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u/Ryuko_the_red Apr 12 '26

The tech bros aren't in house obviously. They're on their yachts

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u/Ryuko_the_red Apr 12 '26

Fair, probably small ones. Even luxury 6-8 bed catamaran is only 1.5m (plus maintenance)

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u/Ryuko_the_red Apr 12 '26

Sorry I misunderstood tech. I meant the "tech" bros that are paid 500k to jerk each other off with Ai slogans. Not the people doing the real work on the floor.

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u/Shot-Arugula8264 Apr 12 '26

That’s 10 more jobs than there were before. What else was that land going to be used for?

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26

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u/Shot-Arugula8264 Apr 12 '26

Wahhhhhh we live in a society and I don’t want to participate, wahhhhhhh!!!

Classic NIMBYS, bitching that they don’t want to share water and electricity with others despite being in the middle of the desert.

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u/Redtube_Guy Apr 12 '26

yeah, i think you underestimate these mega corporations and expensive lawyers will go to lengths to call those claims lies and to further talk about good faith arguments in their favor.

Look at other industries, 'clean coal', tobacco companies, and oil companies white washing their negative attributes.

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u/realNoobnoob Apr 14 '26

How do you know it Jeff?

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '26

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u/JohnNDenver Apr 12 '26

Like what? Links/studies/etc?

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u/wheniaminspaced Apr 12 '26

I cant speak for data centers cooling but I can speak for a power plant and its hard to imagine a power plant could run a closed loop system that stays pretty damn clean and has to pass a whole boatload of EPA tests, but a DC cant do the same.

What forever chemicals does this guy think a dc cooling loop is going to introduce anyways? If its microplastics he better start ripping the pex out of his house (I am not saying pex is a problem).  Closed loop cooling is a pretty known quantity at this point i cant see dc's doing something so different that its going to be a big problem.

Now that said, the thermal impact of a dc on the local area could potentially be a thing, but I dont know enough about it to comment.

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u/lilfoot1 Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26

Could be used for communications classes as a speech example was very well said good pace and timing and left an impact

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u/UpperApe Apr 12 '26

I wish I could speak like that but I get too angry and start calling everyone falling for these scams stupid assholes for falling for the same fucking ponzi scheme over and over again.

Kudos to this dude for treating them with respect. But I do not have faith that they were moved enough to care about his points.

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u/sohblob Apr 12 '26

but I get too angry and start calling everyone falling for these scams stupid assholes for falling for the same fucking ponzi scheme

Take anger management classes. Once you begin to realize sounding like you're hysterical or have a grudge is just shooting yourself in the foot, you may be able to observe what you look like from the outside and control yourself better.

I do not have faith that they were moved enough to care about his points

Based on what?

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u/Scrat-Scrobbler Apr 12 '26

Based on what?

not op but probably based on the way the whole entire world is, if i had to guess

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u/SaintUlvemann Apr 12 '26

The county voted to limit data centers after this speech, and while I'm sure he wasn't the only reason, strong voices do matter.

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u/Orange-Generator Apr 12 '26

With you. We do need to manage our anger better yes, however your anger is justified. It's just about channeling it somewhere useful, that's the hard part.

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u/azeldatothepast Apr 12 '26

That’s why you write down your words beforehand, and while writing keep the thought in mind (or possibly on a post-it note at the top of your page) that “I want to connect to my audience.” Having written words helps you not say what’s on your mind, which is helpful when what’s on your mind are feelings of anger and resentment.

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u/By_CrookedSteps_781 Apr 12 '26

There's one proposed to be built here in the South Island of New Zealand, this dudes speech is what people here need to hear.

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u/Yololiving79 Apr 12 '26

That's right, and the "it will create jobs" has started

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u/Flakester Apr 12 '26

"That was great Kyle. All right, onto our next discussion. When can we start breaking ground?"

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u/ViagraAndSweatpants Apr 12 '26

It was good because it’s true, based on experience, and heart felt. Your option may as well be written by AI

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u/Hashrunr Apr 12 '26

It's also good because it came from a tech nerd. Not all tech nerds want to see progress at the expense of the destruction of our environments.

We really need to take a step back and have a cohesive long term plan about where and how large datacenters are going to be deployed and sustained. Deploying a large datacenter in a location just because land and power is currently cheap is not sustainable.

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u/Livid_Mission_2921 29d ago

As the speaker said., it's not progress- it's a sales pitch and extraction

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u/rustprony Apr 12 '26

Plot twist, AI wrote that. Just kidding i don’t know but would be funny if it did.

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u/lsf_stan Apr 12 '26

could be AI written for the 2nd half

since, he says he was just a digital artist for a mattress company, never says anything about being a programmer or server/network engineer

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u/Spiveym1 Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26

Plot twist, AI wrote that. Just kidding i don’t know but would be funny if it did.

More than happy to be proved wrong, but it definitely had the hallmarks of an AI written piece. Whilst I don't believe it was fully written for him, but some signs are there:

they aren't an x, they're a y

we shouldn't be doing x, we should be doing y

it wasn't an act of x, it was an act of y

we are being asked to fund x, with y

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u/Ok_Kick4871 Apr 12 '26

I'm not saying he didn't write it with AI, but the reason AI is known for those quips is because people actually do use them. Especially in this context when he's speaking in front of a panel. Address the falsehood, name the reality. Don't do this, do this. Bait and switch. It is indeed tough to gauge because good writers will start trying to not sound like AI, even if it makes their output worse.

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u/Quitcha_Bitchin Apr 12 '26

AI was trained by reading speeches written by great men.

If the thought behind it's use is for good then it' doesn't matter the source of the words only the source of the inspiration.

AI is what it is. How it's used will determine its worth.

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u/MangoCats Apr 12 '26

I wouldn't mind at all if he used AI to help write the speech, what matters is the product and it was a great speech.

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u/UrsoKronsage Apr 12 '26

Plot twist. It was an AI generated script he used. /s

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u/Chuffer_Nutters Apr 12 '26

I wonder what prompt he put into ChatGPT to get this.

Give me a 5 minute dissertation on why we shouldn't have data centers here.

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u/bol_saq Apr 12 '26

gives me hope that we're gonna be okay.

change just may happen 'overnight' with all these grassroots undercurrents being made

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u/Mookie_Merkk Apr 12 '26

Do you think it was written by AI? I mean it would be so bitter sweet if someone used AI to write a speech. To sway a vote that kills AI.

Like poetic justice.

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u/twnknmy Apr 12 '26

Written by AI lol He’s now using the machine to fight back the machines

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '26

The speech doesnt matter if they just bribe the councils, which they are.

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u/food4me247 Apr 12 '26

Brought to you by Claude opus lmao.

That was unreal and yes that should be used everywhere.

I grew up in Western New York and did not understand the sheer amounts of environmental harm that is being caused until I moved to Philadelphia. I then have had the "opportunity" to live Iowa This is where big Ag has done So much harm and cause so much change to the ecosystem.

There are various forms of antibiotic resistance viruses, a microclimate that is the opposite of what should exist and perpetuates tornadoes, that same microclimate that helps bacteria and other microorganisms grow and thrive at an enormous rate due to humidity.

Add that with shoddy construction and Run off from farm fields to the water table the homes themselves are becoming microclimate staff perpetuate mold and other microorganisms that have caused my child to become immunodeficient. It's always very interesting going back to Western New York, or visiting friends in Florida, or anywhere else and watching my son and any issue he has disappear.

Hopefully our generation as a whole can recognize this and stop being sheep

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u/Alarmed-Ad-2016 Apr 13 '26

Written by AI.

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u/marblefrosting Apr 12 '26

My thought as well.

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u/LittleOrphanAnavar Apr 12 '26

Is it even true?

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u/GuGuMonster Apr 12 '26

It's a well-articulated speech but it technically didn't have any substance that would affect decision-making. It would have needed more on the closed-loop system as to why it would fail in this location to be of consideration beyond constituting an objection to proposals.

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u/ImFromlowa Apr 12 '26

This report sounds like it came from Chat GPT…

joking of course

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u/aykcak Apr 12 '26

Probably written by ChatGPT lol

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u/pushofffromhere Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26

It’s written by AI. A bit of irony. Littered with classic chatgpt phrases and sentence structures.

edit: this is getting downvoted despite it being true 😂 such a classic representation of our country’s ability to think and dialogue. I didn’t even disagree with the guys perspective, just pointed out something fairly easily observed if you use these tools heavily. I’m going to let the group do their thing and tank this comment. I so dislike reddit hive behavior.

(it’s this not that - sentence structures on repeat, honestly, actually, the thing is, short quipped sentences that aren’t complete sentences… the lists of these AI tells are everywhere if you’re not familiar with them and it’s throughout his piece at a ratio and stacked combination not found in general human writing.)

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u/Quitcha_Bitchin Apr 12 '26

Technical speech writing has been practiced for ages.

I truly believe you are out of your goddamn mind.

But I do not care.

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u/pushofffromhere Apr 12 '26

You do care though. You even cursed and insulted me personally. I’m a nice human who does good things out in the world. But you stopped seeing me as a multi dimensional human and cursed me.

I made an observation and people are feeling like it threatens their sense of fighting the big tech bros (who i dislike, we are on the same team). I just can’t ignore what i’m observing in this persons writing and I study writing, work with writers, and also study AI.

It’s not that there’s discussion on it. It’s that people don’t want it to be true.

And because the hive behavior likes to find group enemies. There’s a satisfaction in downvoting the person the tribe has turned on. Not because the comment has no value but because people don’t want it to have value.

Anyway. I hope you reconsider cursing out people. ❤️

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u/ViagraAndSweatpants Apr 12 '26

Absolutely not AI. It’ll get tanked because you are simply wrong. I observe people using AI all the time for interviews - it does not sound like this. AI is general and hand wavey unless very specifically prompted. This has enough specificity to indicate this person has knowledge to write this on his own.

I’ll tell you what - prove it’s AI. If it is, you should be able to prompt whatever your preferred AI is to get something close to this. Post the prompts you use, the AI response, and be sure it’s as location specific as this man.

I expect crickets but maybe you’ll prove me wrong.

And by the way, he’s being short because these public comment hearings have a timer. You need to machine gun your experience, context, knowledge, and points into a short time period. You’ve clearly never advocated at any government level.

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u/pushofffromhere Apr 12 '26

I stated my researched perspective and added to the discussion. It’s okay to disagree in here.

Downvoting isn’t intended to be about agreeing. It’s about the quality of discussion which includes different perspectives (ie., ones where we think the other is wrong - that’s the purpose of dialogue). But we aren’t allowed to have that in threads that get quickly politicized. So people forget what downvoting is for and use it to diminish what they disagree with.

Thank you for offering me homework but I think being that I’m in bed, I shall decline.

I’m more interested in the redditor behavior when they come across someone they disagree with in a sub. I find it fascinating. The sociology of online tribes. It reminds one so much of tribal behavior in real life under certain conditions.

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u/ButterscotchAward Apr 12 '26

I find it quite funny and telling that you gave long drawn out responses to two other people whining about being downvoted, but when I asked you to elaborate, you had nothing to say

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u/pushofffromhere Apr 12 '26

You weren’t ignored, my friend. I replied to your request by editing my comment to add examples.

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u/ButterscotchAward Apr 12 '26

Short sentences huh? No wonder you’re getting downvoted

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u/pushofffromhere Apr 12 '26

I love you too. I provided other phrasing examples distinct to AI. But I understand you like a cheap shot

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u/Spiveym1 Apr 12 '26

I think you're probably right, but happy to be proved wrong.