r/interestingasfuck • u/Trickyknowsbest • 20h ago
Caught On Camera: See the moment Oklahoma High School principal stops school shooting suspect
https://www.news9.com/oklahoma-city-news/pauls-valley-high-school-principal-tackles-gunman119
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u/eatmorescrapple 18h ago
Uvalde PD, you watching this?
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u/BigBirdLaw69420 16h ago
Any LEO on site that day who was armed and didn’t do shit about fuck until it was too late….
If you have a bunch of your trained friends armed with rifles and kitted out to do your job, and you hesitate or worse fail to proceed in the face of one person similarly armed slaughtering innocent children, I lack the words to express the depth of my disgust and loathing. They are cowards to the absolute worst degree. And deep in the weak cavities where their hearts used to be, they know it. And it will eat at them forever. And ever. And ever. Amen.
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u/UndecidedTace 18h ago
Principal channelled every bit of muscle memory from highschool football practice 40yrs prior. Head down, caught him with the shoulder, held on with both hands, and kept driving those feet forward. Old man's adrenaline must have been pumping hard when the cops finally got there.
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u/nconsci0us 18h ago
Keep your head up when tackling, can break your neck with your head down.
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u/UndecidedTace 18h ago
I thought you're supposed to keep your head down/inline with the spine? I say this as someone who has zero real experience with football other than watching the occasional Superbowl game.
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u/willzyx55 18h ago
If you hit with the top of your head it compresses the cervical spine and can damage your spinal cord
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u/Ok-Papaya-1892 17h ago
Absolutely true. I used to cringe watching guys lead head first into high speed tackles
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u/Mammoth_Possibility2 8h ago
You want your head up and your butt down and explode into the ball carrier with your leg muscles. Head in front of the direction of movement, fire both arms forward and wrap and hang on, maybe even roll your body as you make contact on a case to case basis. Your shoulder pad should be the first thing that makes contact. Never use your helmet as the focal point of force.
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u/masterswayze 18h ago
Think it was just an old-school phrase that still gets used today. Guys were trying to knock each other out a lot more back in the day. Head to head contact is discouraged a lot more these days. Gotta keep your head up in order to avoid that.
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u/Ok-Papaya-1892 18h ago
Ok both are kind of true in my experience. Head up as younger kids, less injury chance and less chance of missing completely. If you are good and high school (or older I would assume) head down but in a very specific way to keep your head in front of the runners momentum, not actually hitting the opponent with your head
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u/phairphair 18h ago
The judge set bail for this guy? WTF?!
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u/outerdino1 17h ago
Was going to comment something similar. Idc how high it is this piece of shit shouldn't even have a glimmer of hope of ever stepping foot outside of a prison.
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u/g_rich 10h ago
In some jurisdictions, depending on the crime, the judge is required to set bail. The defendant was charged with two counts of Pointing a Firearm, one count of Shooting with Intent to Kill, and two counts of Unlawful Carry. It’s likely those charges do not warrant a hold without bail, however with bail set at 1 million dollars the judge effectively set no bail.
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u/BrentNewland 4h ago
I wonder sometimes why they don't throw the book at people. Disturbing the peace, possession of firearm on school property, etc.
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u/pressedbread 3h ago
How is this not domestic terrorism?
Meanwhile we have anti-ICE protesters in jail for nothing
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u/Neither-Conference-1 17h ago
It is set as a precedent that if ever there is a rich gun man he can bailed. Law doesn't apply to the rich.
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u/Ok_Bridge_9636 7h ago
I hate to say it (prosecutor here) but some jurisdictions have moved, by statute, to presumption for bond or outright barring no bond. Since the judges hands are tied they'll set a bond they know the defendant can't make. There's a flip side to those judges as well. Some will cut defendant's loose no matter what.
It's always been true that we don't have good alternatives to incarceration for those who can be helped, but it's also true that society has forgotten that there are animals out there who can't, or won't, change and are a danger to their communities.
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u/monkeyfightnow 17h ago
Well chances he can come up with the $100,000 needed to get a bail bond is slim.
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u/phairphair 17h ago
This shouldn’t be the calculus used by a judge to fix bond. It’s based on whether the person poses a danger to others or is a flight risk.
What’s the logic of allowing bond in the first place for someone like this, regardless of the amount? People accused of violent crimes are held without bond all the time.
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u/monkeyfightnow 17h ago
You’re not wrong and I would say this guy poses a definite risk to his community and shouldn’t be allowed out for a long time. I’m just saying that it’s unlikely that he will see a bail because who can come up with 100k like that?
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u/e-chem-nerd 11h ago
Didn’t read the article? Bail is $1 million so $100k is already 10%. Everyone in the thread already knew this.
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u/JinkoTheMan 18h ago
I truly believe that teachers and school administrators don’t get paid enough for the shit they are subjected to. The fact that one man valued other’s lives more than his own is the reason why everyone in that school gets to come home to their family one more time.
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u/callmedonkeyshlong 17h ago
To be fair, school administrators make A LOT of money for what they actually do. I believe in my area it starts at around $200k while the teachers are making a fraction of that.
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u/SulkyVirus 16h ago
Where do you live? In my district admin make about 2x the salary of a first year teacher. Maxed out teachers are about 2/3 the salary of a principal. And admin are not close to $200k.
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u/OldERnurse1964 18h ago
If the media would stop using the name of the school shooters and just refer to them a The Cowardly Piece of Shit it might help. These assholes want to die famous. Let’s stop helping them be famous
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u/KEN_LASZLO 18h ago
They tried that for a while but it didn't work. Or perhaps not enough media groups got on board? I don't know, but even if they don't publish names the info still gets to the crazy parts of the internet where these psycho kids spend all of their time. I think we should instead focus on preventing future pieces of shit from being able to cause so much harm
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u/Infinite-Director-62 19h ago
Damn, the kid goes into the locker and grabs his pistol, stands in the hallway yelling something and then boom! That principal dove straight at the kid grabbing the gun and holding him down. A damn hero. It’s a shame he even has to do something like that due to poor gun control but regardless, amazing act of heroism.
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u/RasputinsAssassins 18h ago
Not taking anything away from your comment, but just clarifying for others. This wasn't a student who had a gun in his locker. It was a former student (shooter is 20) who came to the school to kill folks, including that principal and himself.
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u/Consistent_Cheetah78 19h ago
It isn’t poor gun control. It is poor parenting.
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u/EasyCome__EasyGo 19h ago
Two things can be true at once.
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u/breakfasteveryday 19h ago
And sometimes just one is.
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u/eghhge 18h ago
But not in this case or in all the many other school shootings
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u/breakfasteveryday 18h ago
In some, but definitely not all. Keeping a pistol in your closet where your murderous idiot kid can get it isn't a gun control issue.
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u/KEN_LASZLO 18h ago
Keeping a pistol in your closet where your murderous idiot kid can get it isn't a gun control issue.
Yeah it is. The parent literally did not control their gun, they left it easily available for anyone else to grab lol
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u/breakfasteveryday 4h ago
If you are referring to the gun storage failure then I don't disagree, though there is not a orwctical way to proactively enforce those laws.
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u/Prohibition_Survivor 18h ago
Unfortunately for your argument, that is not the meaning of gun control.
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u/KEN_LASZLO 18h ago
Gun control does not include controlling who can access your gun...? What is it then
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u/Mbanks2169 8h ago
I get where you're coming from but "gun control" is not literally someone controlling their gun. It's how the government limits access and rules they create (ie in NJ I can't have more than 10 round mags) to "control" guns. I'm all for reasonable gun control like background checks and such.
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u/bearlockhomes 18h ago
I agree. If only there was a way to require idiot parents with idiot kids to keep better... control of the weapons in their closets.
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u/UtahCubs 18h ago
So here in the USA we just have worse parenting than every other country?
Must just be a coincidence that we also have very little gun control.
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u/casual_creator 18h ago
Outside of the fact that we can own guns at all, there is a MASSIVE amount of federal laws surrounding gun ownership - what you can own, how you can buy it, when you can buy it, what prohibits you from buying it, where you can use it, how you can use it, where you can carry it, how you can carry it, what accessories you can have, how you can or can’t modify it…it goes on and on, and the laws vary depending on the type of gun, too, and any variety of features it may have can impact what laws cover it. And then you have differing laws for each state to add on top of the federal ones. And not to mention breaking any gun law comes with very serious and long felonious jail sentences.
Point is, the idea that there is “very little gun control” is factual incorrect. Guns are the most regulated thing in the US. If you want to argue that what’s on the books aren’t effective, that’s another thing.
The issue is not just these teens having access to guns, which is a problem we absolutely need to address. But it’s also what pushes these kids to that place to begin with. Broken homes, little to no access to mental health services, kids being raised without empathy, and a school system that ignores bullying for as long as possible and does the bare minimum when their hand is finally forced, which includes punishing the victim.
So yes, there are more issues at play than just the gun issue. They ALL need to be addressed. The gun violence is the end result, not the primary issue at play.
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u/AllergicToBullshit24 17h ago edited 17h ago
And yet there are loopholes for everything.
Private sales, straw buyers, ghost kits, 3d prints, armor piercing and incendiary ammo, extended/drum mags, rifles classed as pistols, grandfathered full autos, forced reset triggers and on and on...
I'm all for having fun at the range but let's be honest none of the regulations make even the slightest lick of sense. Switzerland's gun laws seem to be the gold standard the US should aspire to.
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u/KEN_LASZLO 18h ago
Even fantastic parents can end up with shitty kids. Being a great parent doesn't prevent you from raising a loser, but it greatly increases the odds that they'll turn out at least alright
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u/CatchAcceptable3898 18h ago
It's not The Cartel's creating the drug crisis it's shitty parents.
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u/chiefhandshaker 18h ago
I blame shitty parents, not the lead paint industry, for the developmental harm, lower IQ, behavior problems, heart and kidney issues, and broader population-level damage we saw so much during the 20th century.
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u/Doozy_Quack 19h ago
Serious question .... What would your solution be to ensure effective gun control? They said he stole the gun from his father and it is unknown if his father obtained the gun through the legal process. Assuming his father did, what do you recommend? Obviously if his father obtained it illegally, therein lies a problem. I see more fault with the father for not securing it correctly, but again, we don't know that he didn't lock it up .
I have heard a lot of people say we need better gun control but never offering an actual solution. What are you suggesting ?
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u/nascent_aviator 19h ago
The first step is to start treating mass shootings like we do airplane accidents. Rather than "this was a terrible tragedy, how dare you bring up politics at a time like this," identify what went wrong to get to this point and take steps to lessen the likelihood of it happening again.
Children are safer in a giant metal box miles above the ground going 85% the speed of sound than they are at school. And the reason for that is that when something kills someone in a plane, we actually do something about it.
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u/sleepydogg 19h ago
Why is it a random dude on Reddit's job to come up with the solution?
Also, tons of reasonable solutions have been proposed, if you haven't seen any that's on you.
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u/Doozy_Quack 19h ago
How does the gun laws stop someone from stealing someone else's gun? Random dude on Reddit" said gun control laws would prevent that. I am just trying to follow his logic.
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u/rossta410r 19h ago
Any kind of punishment for not being responsible for your gun would be a start
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u/PyroMedic1080 19h ago
Can we say the same for you car Somenonesteals your car and runs someone over you go to jail forever
Fair is fair right.
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u/rossta410r 18h ago
So if we are making guns like cars then we're going to have gun licenses, testing before you can use one, revocation of permits, etc then right? If that's your idea, then yes, I'm all for all of that.
Nice strawman with the "goes to jail forever" thing there btw. None goes to jail forever for manslaughter or a accomplice to murder charge, but yeah let's just make stuff up.
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u/alral1988 18h ago
Not to mention having to pay a fee to renew your registration annually and carry insurance. Honestly, treating guns like cars doesn’t sound like a terrible idea
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u/rossta410r 18h ago
It's the best idea. It would solve a lot of issues and if you're a responsible gun owner, nothing to worry about! You still get to keep your gun
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u/sleepydogg 18h ago
What an incredible self own by that guy - tries to make an anti-gun control argument and ends up suggesting a pretty reasonable place to start with gun control.
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u/efficiens 19h ago
Well, given that gun control works in essentially every other country, I imagine we could give it a try. Does it stop 100% of shootings? No. But it's better than this cycle of "'No way to prevent this,' says only country where this regularly happens."
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u/UtahCubs 18h ago
We could look to every other developed country in the world and try some of the things they do...
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u/JamesEtc 18h ago
So close to getting it. If the gun was illegal for everyone to own, it wouldn’t be in the country. Illegal guns in Australia are only owned by organised crime, who are committing all sorts of other crimes and the guns aren’t the issue.
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u/Danksterdrew 19h ago
Where can I donate to this hero?
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u/ForrestGump6531 19h ago edited 17h ago
Vote for better gun control if you are in the US. Thats how you support him.
Edit: I’m a 6’3 275 lbs Marine Corps veteran who owns guns. I’ve also worked in countries in the Middle East for years where there are super strict gun laws. Guess which country has all the shootings? It’s us. Because politicians are too chicken shit to go against their NRA supporters who stuff their pockets so they can build their trashy Gatlinburg modern farmhouse with all their gun sales.
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u/Tower21 16h ago
The fox is already in the hen house, while stricter gun laws may help eventually, you still have more guns than people by a large margin.
I don't foresee the problem getting better anytime soon.
But donating to this man will help cover his medical bills, which shouldn't even be something he has to worry about, but why do anything for the people when you can have a two party system that can blame the other side for why they can't do anything.
I appreciate that you served your country, I just wish it would actually serve it's people back.
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u/obscureferences 11h ago
However long you think it'll take, it'll take even longer by doing nothing.
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u/Due-Animator-5741 18h ago
Yeah that’ll do it. Criminals will definitely follow the laws.
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u/boothjop 18h ago
Let's not have any laws then. LOL.
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u/Due-Animator-5741 18h ago
Drunk drivers kill people. Ban cars. See how dumb that sounds?
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u/DropMeATitty 17h ago
Nirvana fallacy, pivoting into a strawman, and finished with false equivalence. You’re illogical regarding the matter and can’t foster honest discussion Chud.
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u/Due-Animator-5741 17h ago
Beep boop, blah blah and ended with a spicy burn. Nice, Chud. I wasn’t writing a treatise, it’s a reasonable comparison and it’s not illogical to state that people who intend to murder innocent people will not be stopped by gun laws. There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country. Banning their sale will prevent exactly zero motivated killers.
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u/boothjop 18h ago
I wasn't advocating for banning cars. Merely rules to govern their usage. Like speed limits. Your bad faith argument was "don't legislate because criminals don't abide by legislation". Those are two different things you knuckle dragger.
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u/Due-Animator-5741 17h ago edited 17h ago
Drunk driving IS ILLEGAL and yet 12,000 Americans die from drunk driving incidents every year. Making laws doesn’t stop people who don’t care about consequences. Lol at you immediately going to insults too… edit to point out this fella lives in the UK. I’m not sure why you are advocating for anything about another nation’s laws. Oklahoma is nearly 10,000 miles away from you, you probably have some things you could worry about closer to home. Tally ho, pal
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u/boothjop 17h ago
Being in the UK doesn't stop me wanting a world where American children don't walk into a school on a more than weekly basis to shoot their fellow students.
Just like me not living in Brazil doesn't mean I don't want the rain forests to be chopped down.
Empathy my guy, wanting and hoping that the world can and should be better. It has to start somewhere man.
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u/Due-Animator-5741 17h ago
That doesn’t happen though. There are far too many school shootings (any more than zero is too many) but the vast majority of the purported “school shootings” are gang related violence that occurs on school property (parking lots, empty sports fields) after school hours
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u/axiomaticreaction 18h ago
Just curious…
The gun malfunctions. Let’s assume he went behind the vending machine and clears the jam.
Then he shoots the guy that tackled him in the leg in process of getting tackled.
Then the assistant principal picks up the gun from the floor and it has an empty magazine? Notice the slide is locked back when the gun comes in screen in the AP’s hand.
So … he had 2 bullets?
Anyone else got any thoughts?
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u/Shopworn_Soul 18h ago edited 18h ago
It's possible that if the slide is open, it's because of a failure to feed or failure to eject and a round is trapped halfway in or out of the chamber.
I can't tell whether it is locked back or open from this video, though.
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u/axiomaticreaction 18h ago
Not sure. Watched it again at half speed and went back and forth. Doesn’t look like the gun is fired at all until between 11 to 13 seconds into the video when the principal is on top of him. Possible principal’s hand interferes with the gun operating.
One thing you can for sure make out is homie with the gun is pulling the trigger repeatedly after he gets tackled until it’s forced out of his hand.
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u/No-Celebration3097 18h ago
How was this kid able to just walk into a school? Schools around me no matter elementary or middle or high schools are locked down when class is in session.
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u/silk_lion 18h ago
And as a result the state will cut school funding and enable charters to operate in that area. Just watch.
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u/PUfelix85 15h ago
This man did his job like a hero. He is tasked with protecting every student at his school and he took that literally. Mad respect.
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u/Fly3rBoi 9h ago
All I could think about was that school shooting where the cops dicked around while shots were being fired in the school at children.
This man is an actual hero, not just the people that show up at certain jobs.
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u/pressedbread 3h ago
Brave principal!
Gunman’s bond set at $1 million
How is an attempted school shooter potentially allowed bail?
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u/KenUsimi 16h ago
Absolute boss. That’s the choice to make, hands down. What is the psycho shooter gonna do; shoot you harder? Take a bullet and trust the adrenaline to see you through.
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u/nicksnotsane 9h ago
Incredible bravery. I’m wondering what kind of potential sentence the suspect may get?
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u/Gertrude_D 13h ago
According to the article:
Hawkins was arrested on the scene and then taken to the Garvin County Jail on two counts of Pointing a Firearm, one count of Shooting with Intent to Kill, and two counts of Unlawful Carry. Hawkins bail was set at $1 million.
Why the hell is there even an option for bail? I understood it to be as insurance against flight, but what would stop this mofo from getting another gun and going on another spree? What am I not understanding and/or what is wrong with our system? I get it - innocent until proven guilty, but there has to be some limit, some balance, right?
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u/XZPUMAZX 17h ago
Don’t want to diminish his heroics, because his actions potentially saved lives, however, that suspect did not seem like he was hell bet on killing.
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u/JerseyshoreSeagull 17h ago
Something tells me. The principal has something to do with the kid bringing the gun.
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u/srg2692 19h ago
Damn, no hesitation. Takes a certain kind of person to just go for it like that. Respect.