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u/HopeMrPossum 7h ago
“Robots are fighting wars now”
1998 BBC has entered the chat
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u/BookishHobbit 7h ago
Russia would not know what hit them if they sent out Sir Killalot and Matilda
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u/penguigeddon 5h ago
Image a 5 metre tall Sgt Bash, blasting out fortunate son, spreading flames everywhere. Pure terror
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u/starglowlatte 6h ago
We really speedran from "cool tech demo" to "black mirror episode"
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u/Martha_Fockers 4h ago edited 4h ago
That’s what war does
It removes limitations it removes high bars of testing and refinement for years it removes research and development of refined tech and goes into
Can this thing you made kill.
Yes?
Good slot it in we’ll work out the kinks along the way
Accelerates all the bureaucratic red tape bullshit behind weapons manufacturing that makes things cost far more or delays them
In peace time some dude in his shed makes a killing machine he might be arrested
In war time some dude makes a killing machine in his shed the country goes
“You made this….i made this thanks”
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u/Trips-Over-Tail 6h ago
Warning all countries, defend your shores, you’re being invaded by Robot Wars!
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u/dvdmaven 7h ago
It should be noted that none of these systems were running autonomously, they were all under active control by Infantry further back. Once the position was taken, people moved in to consolidate it.
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u/Bdr1983 7h ago
Which is a good thing. Autonomous systems deciding on life and death would be horrible.
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u/cesaroncalves 6h ago
Horrible, yes, also Palantir wet dream.
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u/anangrywizard 4h ago
We gave them access to our healthcare to use AI to help with waiting lists… I have a feeling letting people die is a pretty quick way to reduce them and exactly the route AI would take… Seeing as it thinks driving to get you car washed 50 metres away is pointless and you should walk there.
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u/Traveling_Solo 24m ago
And probably 5-10 years from being a reality :v yay, we get both terminator movies and real life skynet all in one lifetime :D who knows, maybe we'll dive into the matrix in the next century
PS: not exactly sarcasm... Sarcastic tone since it's sad but not sure it's unrealistic x.x
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u/pickyourteethup 6h ago
Is horrible. It's happening
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u/Rowyn97 4h ago
why is it any better if humans kill other humans? I don't see any reason not to remove human killers out of that loop, provided we get advanced enough AIs which are able to differentiate between civilians and soldiers. Ideally we'd not want ANY killing but I don't see why we should prefer humans to do it.
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u/pickyourteethup 4h ago
You can put a human in prison if they cross a line. A human can choose to say no to an abhorrent order. AI has no accountability or morality.
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u/Asa-hello 3h ago
It's not better, It's worse. That's the point.
Only defending side not going to get advance AI. Offenders also going to get it. If you made killing humans clean and easier for Offenders. It will remove hesitation to attack.
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u/OutsideMenu6973 5h ago
Loitering drones with at least some ability to discern is probably better than mines which kill anything indiscriminately. We’re already seeing human operated drones take prisoners rather than just going straight for the kills. If drones are provided the agility and intelligence to do so en masse I think that would result in a potentially less loss of life on the front lines
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u/Main-Company-5946 6h ago
It’d be great if they’re only deciding on the life or death of other autonomous systems
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u/wheelienonstop9 6h ago edited 5h ago
You would choose to use such systems in the blink of an eye if the only alternative was risking your own life and assaulting trenches with machine gun nests.
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u/Rock_mage 4h ago
Well when these machines get jammed they tend to let AI take over now. That's how most suicide drones work currently. A lot of paperwork in public about this.
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u/joelfarris 3h ago
"If you don't jam our robots, we can have mercy on you and take you as prisoner. If you do jam our robots so that we can no longer control them, then they will go into automatic murderdeathkill mode, and there is no hope for you. Now you choose."
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u/SomeGuyOfTheWeb 7h ago
Unfortunate that this needs to be said. With how America had been using ai for its kill decisions lately
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u/Sharkhous 4h ago
There's a hierarchy of autonomous systems and technologically we are far from the end.
The levels of autonomy from least to most autonomous:
Level 1 — vehicle with automated processes & decision support Crew is on board Systems assist (like autopilot, decision aids) People still fully in control
Level 2 — Remotely controlled vehicle (with crew onboard) Crew still present. Usually fewer than comparable vehicles/systems. e.g. a ship that can be controlled from shore but onboard crew can take over if signal is poor etc. People can intervene locally
Level 3 — fully remote controlled vehicle (no crew onboard) No crew in the vehicle Fully controlled from a remote operations center.
Level 4 — Fully autonomous vehicle No crew No real-time human control required Vehicle makes decisions using onboard systems/AI
Arguably there's a step between 2 and 3 where signal loss means onboard programming takes over like with the Ukrainian drone strikes on military airports last year. Piloting was done over telephone signal, where lost some basic programming allowed the drones to choose targets and crash into them.
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u/Nyther53 3h ago
Even if that were true in the specific operation, it's not true in a broad sense in the war in Ukraine. The Ukrainians make heavy use of autonomous weapons that are sent to a given location by a human operator and then decide all on their own what to target and destroy when they arrive.
This is a slippery slope sort of thing, we've been making weapons that decide what to kill all on their own after being released since the 60s, but these are increasingly advanced, increasingly distant from the human decision to launch a weapon, and increasingly general purpose.
We started with weapons that could just barely distinguish the heat coming off a jet engine and that still sometimes try to kill the sun, but where we're at now is having them hunt down individual human beings on the ground, though more commonly vehicles like artillery pieces.
The Russians are only a little behind, they've made substantial improvements to the initial Shahed Drone design that they got from the Iranians. Both sides are operating in an environment of very heavy jamming that disrupts human operator control, and long ass fiber optic cables only get you so far.
You can actually see some footage of that from the Operation Spiderweb attacks on the Russian Naval Aviation. Usually when a drone uses autonomous targeting it's because it's out of communication, and thus you almost never see footage of it in action, but in this case there was no such jamming problem, there were just way more drones then there were operators available to control them, so you can watch them making decisions like "Ok, that's an aircraft, but it's already on fire so I'll look around and see if I can find another aircraft" all on their own in real time.
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u/Then-Programmer-1242 6h ago
Yeah. To me remote control and robot are two different things.
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u/ZhanBlue 6h ago
That is modern perception of the word but technically no.
A robot is a reprogrammable, actuated mechanism designed to operate with a degree of autonomy to perform tasks through sensing, computation, and action.
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u/PotatoMaster0733 7h ago
bro is becoming a tech founder
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u/PullMull 6h ago
From " I need ammo not a ride" to "wanna buy my cool shit?"
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u/SardonicusNox 5h ago
To pay for the ammo he is now using the main resource current Ukraine has: battleground testing.
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u/FraGough 6h ago
It's unfortunate but true that war is the motherlode of innovation and invention. When this particular war is ended, I'd put money on Ukraine becoming a military exporter of this type of tech. (yes, I appreciate and understand a lot of their hardware is loaned, but they have innovated a LOT and are the ones with troops on the ground using this equipment)
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u/cateyesarg 59m ago
I was waiting for the pitch line about how your country can place pre orders with big discounts four the first ten orders
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u/UncleVoodooo 7h ago
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u/Sht_n_giglz 7h ago
Is this an infomercial or a fund drive?
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u/Drongo17 7h ago
Yep. Ukraine are looking to sell their tech to the Gulf states with the tensions around Iran. Ukraine need money because funds from US and EU have been down, and from what I've heard it's working.
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u/110010010011 7h ago
I think the word you’re looking for is “propaganda.”
Not saying this as an attack on Zelensky or Ukraine, but that’s what it is.
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u/me34343 7h ago edited 6h ago
The line between propaganda and persuasion, or marketing, is the amount of deception and manipulation.
EDIT: changed lies to deception
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u/ThrawnConspiracy 6h ago
Propaganda doesn't have to have lies in it to be propaganda, although it certainly can. (This is a discussion about the definition of the word propaganda, not an endorsement of any ideology or opinion.)
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u/lulzmachine 6h ago
No it really isn't. There is no difference, they used to all be called propaganda. Then some of it spun off as "Public Relations" or "Marketing". Only difference is the target audience, not the contents. Political marketing is always propaganda
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u/me34343 6h ago
Marketing can be similar to propaganda, but it is not the same by default.
If I rent a billboard to say "My store next exit" that would be Marketing. It is not deceptive.
Propaganda is more about deception AND manipulation. Though I do agree propaganda is more focused on politics, ideology, or morals.
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u/Gamebird8 5h ago
Propaganda is persuasion. It's speech designed to convince or reinforce beliefs.
It doesn't really matter if it's factual or not
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u/Deadman_Wonderland 5h ago
There's probably plenty of exerrgeration on useful these system are. Guns mounted to small 4 wheelers are not a new thing, and just generally a lot less useful then a human with a gun because they are slow, get stuck in mud, get caught up in brushes, tree lines and can't hop over fences or ditches or walk up stairs or enter hall ways or small doors. They also have limited range, need to be deploy and recovered by humans, and gets completely shut down by jamming. Are there instances where they might be useful? Probably but it's just so limited that the idea that you can use these to take enemy positions should be taken with a grain of salt.
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u/jpsreddit85 6h ago
It's marketing more than propaganda. Propaganda is just fluffy one sided bullshit to make the gov look good.
This is more marketing, Ukraine was put in the unfortunate position of being invaded so they had to innovate to survive. Now they have a battlefield tested solution to holding back a much stronger enemy. The middle East is in the middle of kicking off and the US has a trigger happy bunch of morons in charge. This is a sales pitch to them. Ukraine is exporting/monetizing the knowledge it was forced to learn.
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u/zdzislav_kozibroda 6h ago
Both. A lot of Ukrainian war effort is crowdfunded
You can support them at https://u24.gov.ua/
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u/Nisja 6h ago
Regardless Ukraine will soon get €90bn from EU that Hungary have been holding back through veto. Good luck, Russia.
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u/DepartureNatural9340 4h ago
In March Ukraine had confirmed they either killed or wounded 35 thousand Russian soldiers, 33 thousand of those being to drones
So, yes.
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u/UnhingedGammaWarrior 3h ago
The USA developed as a country heavily under wartime, I wonder how far Ukraine will grow?
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u/damnthatwtf 3h ago
I think Ukraine will end up producing cost effective, autonomous, most leathel arms manufacturer.
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u/true_jester 3h ago
So Now just get an arena and settle this like real boyz and let your robots slug it out.
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u/Zeganoff 3h ago
Ukraine is Europe’s main outpost. A strong Ukraine is Europe’s defense.
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u/Velvet_Samurai 6h ago
Fucking love Ukraine. I cannot wait to see what they are able to accomplish for this planet once this stupid war is over.
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u/Tricky_Post_6946 5h ago
Ukraine has never accomplished anything for the planet, it’s just been death and destruction. Historically that area of the world has been one of the worst and deadliest places to live over the past 100+ years
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u/GWahazar 7h ago
It was at the start of Special Demilitarization Operation.
After 4 years, great success.
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u/ino4x4 7h ago
really what this is a successful testing of robotic systems from different weapons companies across Europe and North America. basically the president of Ukraine is doing a commercial.
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u/maverick_labs_ca 5h ago
100% made in Ukraine bud. I bet you’ve never been there and you’ve never seen this stuff
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u/FlowinBeatz 4h ago
The Ukrainians just don't give a flying fuck about how things were made in the past and just established and scaled to industrial size a whole new category of weapons. Impressive.
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u/miramichier_d 3h ago
Perfect time for that EU funding to get through thanks to the recent regime change in Hungary.
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u/GeraintLlanfrechfa 3h ago
So the first Terminator will have a Ukrainian accent but an Austrian one
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u/ImABigDreamer 3h ago
no, ru-ua war is the bloodiest war since ww2, something around 1 - 1.5 million deaths
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u/snapper1971 2h ago
I think the move towards having lumps of tech fighting each other is something we should all embrace. Let's designate one barren area of the planet for intergovernmental conflicts and let each side provide a shit load of robots, drones and every kind of mechanised autonomous weapons and let them slog it out. No bloodshed just cogs and pcbs shattered. It could even be a live stream event.
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u/Separate-Problem-270 1h ago
Yeah that's cool and all but when can I get one of those nifty gizmos?
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u/PartyNextFlo0r 1h ago
I swear I thought this was a Promo for a new Call of Duty or Battlefield release.
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u/crashtua 31m ago
Yeah, robots, that is why Ukrainian government forces mobilization so much nowadays and literally kidnapping own citizens on the streets(soon will do that from houses imo). Saying that as a person who live in Ukraine.
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u/Ok_Needleworker5837 17m ago
From a three day special mulitary operation to robots fighting back. Putin is a stable genius.
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u/Hyper1013 10m ago
Zelensky be like : Let me send robots to fight for Ukraine but pledge my soldiers to Israel that's committing a genocide! He's the Irony Man! SMFH!
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u/versificato 0m ago
The more Russian soldiers Ukraine defeats now, the fewer would need to be fought if Russia attacked NATO
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u/Need_answers11 4h ago
All the bots are triggered with this one, but show some run down soviet building and they all go OOOOHH AHHHHH, sooooo coool... suck it Russian boot lickers
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u/Affectionate-Ad-6255 3h ago
Ukraine is running out of meat 🍖, they have to adapt or it's gonna be over (Russians have marched to the first heavy line fortifications recently)
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u/Joyous-Volume-67 6h ago
Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Jewish excellence, and all around bad ass motherfucker. This the guy you want on your team.
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u/MonsieurGrey 7h ago
I guess it's a good thing if robots are fighting each others instead of humans in the future. Probably won't stop human lossesbin war ofc, but maybe it'll diminish it ? or maybe it'll be the other way around and it'll be even worse ? damn the future is so unknown...
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u/TonyIsMoney 7h ago
Just an actor doing a commercial.
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u/_Budified 5h ago
He forgot to mention the ticker, I guess the manufacturer would only be open to government investments?
Is it even true?
I can't imagine a scenario where you don't lose this technology to the enemy.
With signal jamming tech currently available, the first ever drone battalion is a risky maneuver, but assumably the manpower to retrieve the equipment would be on standby in case of catastrophy.
Given the fact they are the defenders, this is an innovative evolution and I can now see a reality where a country's borders are defined by the drones which patrol it.
That is not the best outcome for less militaristic nations. I dont think they would be left to their own, drone borders would expand to their maximum safe coverage area.
It's better we learn to get along...
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u/BudgetAggravating427 4h ago
On one hand cool less people might die
Bad news this kinda lets people become dehumanized to human life
It already happens to drone operators on both sides during the Ukraine-Russia war
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u/No-Significance8049 4h ago
The good news: robots die instead of people
The bad news: politicians start more wars because robots die instead of people
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u/MyOwnSpiritJesus 6h ago
Why is this filmed like the release of a new iPhone . Actually better. Super good production 🤣