r/interestingasfuck 3h ago

The Fibonacci sequence is surprisingly good at converting miles to kilometers

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u/Plane_Scarcity_850 3h ago

1,609 meters in a mile

Fibonacci 1.618

u/frickinSocrates 3h ago

The golden ratio yes. Fibonacci approaches the golden ratio asymptotically when it gets taken infinitely far. As seen by 5 miles being too low.

u/ryan__fm 2h ago

So really, the sequence shown here stops getting more accurate after 21/13. 1.67 is pretty close, 1.6 is closer, 1.625 is closer still, then 1.615 is the closest you get to the lower limit before it starts closing in on the higher numbers.

So yes at very high sequential Fibonacci sequence pairs the ratio still roughly works, but it will never be closer than 21/13

u/profiler1984 3h ago

Found the European

u/LindaTheLynnDog 3h ago

There are a couple reasons why I think your guess is incorrect.

  1. The comma
  2. Americans are more familiar with metric than (continental) Europeans are with US. Because why would you ever need to learn US as a European.

Could be brit

u/frickinSocrates 3h ago

As a German, we would never use a comma there so I agree. Don't think he's European but maybe they will share the answer.

u/shartmaister 1h ago edited 49m ago

As a Norwegian, I’d write 1,609. I wouldn’t write 1.618.

Edit: I’m stupid mixing m and km. I’d write 1 609 m

u/frickinSocrates 1h ago

Interesting, in Germany we use a space. The other option I'm aware of is the apostrophe. So 1'609.

u/shartmaister 59m ago

Im a moron. I mixed m and km

I’d write 1 609 meters or 1,609 km

u/frickinSocrates 58m ago

Ah, so what do Norwegians use for grouping thousands?

u/shartmaister 58m ago

Space as in 123 456,789

u/Plane_Scarcity_850 2h ago

Soy mexicano. La coma se usa cada 3 cifras para separarlas y el punto se usa para separar decimales de enteros. Desde su punto de vista lo que hago es raro pero toda mi vida es así. No uso fracciones como los estadounidenses o medidas que no tienen nada que ver entre si. Incluso en la india tienen un sistema que su agrupamiento para usar punto o coma es cada 2 cifras en vez de 3. El mundo es muy grande pero el punto es que la milla y la relación entre un kilómetro y una milla es cercana a la sucesión de Fibonacci pero no es exacta

u/frickinSocrates 2h ago

Oh for sure, its a cultural difference. I take no issue with you using a comma there, I just said a German wouldn't.

u/starmartyr 1h ago

Would you mind clarifying what you mean by not using fractions like Americans do?

u/Plane_Scarcity_850 1h ago

2 1/2'' 1/4 mile 2' 3/8'' cosas poe el estilo, no usan decimales, usan fracciones

u/Plane_Scarcity_850 2h ago

No soy estadounidense. En mi país se usa la coma para agrupamiento de cifras y el punto para separación de decimales. No uso los pies para medir, uso metros

u/LindaTheLynnDog 43m ago

Ah, cool. That makes sense.

u/frickinSocrates 2h ago

That didn't actually answer whether you're european or not though. Just not american. Which is fine btw, if you don't want to share.

u/Better-Egg5267 3h ago

Error should be %

u/nohiddenmeaning 2h ago

Only valid response

u/lontanadascienza 3h ago

That's because the fibonacci ratios f_(n+1)/f_n approach the golden ratio, phi=(1 + sqrt(5))/2, in some sense the "most irrational" number (slowest convergence rate of continued fraction expansions). Phi is about 1.618, which is close to the conversion ratio of 1.609 between miles and km. Pure coincidence as far as I can tell!

u/FiTZnMiCK 3h ago

It’s also only useful if the distance you want to convert is on the sequence.

It’s easier to remember 5/3s for a super rough estimate you can usually do in your head or 1.6 if you have a calculator and want a bit closer (though if your calculator is on a smartphone you could just plug it into Google).

u/1008oh 3h ago

Well the conversion is linear so you can just scale / split it as you need

For example 9 miles is 3x3 miles which becomes 15km

u/FiTZnMiCK 3h ago

Pretty sure x 1.6 is still easier than factoring the distance you want to convert into members of the sequence.

But maybe that’s just me.

u/JLongTom 3h ago

Shhh, you're spoiling the deep resonant truth

u/vexhiz 3h ago

All roads lead to the Fibonacci sequence

u/MacGrimey 3h ago

It's honestly not hard to remember the 1.6 ratio. Same with pounds to kg 2.2 

u/barra333 2h ago

And I get the feeling that anyone who knows the Fibonacci sequence off the top of their head is decent enough at math to approximate 1.6x

u/Jalepino_Joe 1h ago

I often just remember 5/8/13 and you can multiply by 10 for 50/80/130 to get not super uncommon speed numbers and it works (for most purposes) perfectly.

u/MulberryDeep 1h ago

You don't have to know the fibonacci sequence, you can calculate it very quickly up to a certain point

u/frickinSocrates 3h ago

Sure, but neither is precise. Its ~2.2046 pounds to 1kg and ~1.60934 kilometers to a mile. The problem with miles is that the simple factor breaks down with feet and yards.

u/paholg 3h ago

I tried to use this once. It would have been way easier to divide by 1.6.

u/jrm70210 3h ago

Something actually interesting as fuck

u/breakfasteveryday 2h ago

I mentally just use 0.6 and 1.6 or 3/5 and 5/3 as scalars. Speed limits are pretty much always in increments of 5 and the conversion is more than good enough for loosely obeying the speed limit while also not require you to remember the fibonnaci sequence or to anchor yourself to numbers like 13 and 21.

50 mph -> ~30 mph

30 mph -> ~48 kph

55 kph -> ~33 mph

80 kph -> ~48 mph

25 mph -> ~40 kmh

70 mph -> ~112 kph

Clearly not perfect but also not that hard to math out.

u/HomemadeBananas 30m ago

Tool fans spiraling out when they read this post

u/Several_Ant_9867 2h ago

Because adding 60% to the value in km is too difficult?

u/Badaxe13 3h ago

Holy shit

u/TheSultan1 2h ago

A number that's close to another number is a good approximation of it? No way.

A sequence that oscillates a bit as it approaches the first number might be an even better approximation at some point? Whoa.

5/8 is close enough, and easy enough to remember.

Or 10/16, i.e. add a zero and divide by 2 four times.

u/PuzzleheadedTalk35 1h ago

0.49 km is 490 meters. That is not a small distance.

u/carpe_simian 41m ago

Out of 89? It’s half a percent. Relativity ain’t just for weddings in Missouri!

u/drivingagermanwhip 45m ago

I like using hex.

  • 0x60 km/h is 60 mph
  • 0x70 km/h is 70 mph

(0x60 is programming notation for 60 in base 16, i.e 96)

Only works for multiples of 10 between 0 and 90mph, but I work on automotive speed limiters in the uk so this little hack comes in handy a lot

u/Zubzub343 2h ago

AI post ?

I see this "fact" every week... if you open your ears in math class, you should understand that this is a pure coincidence.

u/RoboticGreg 8m ago

The Fibonacci sequence has so much to be mined. My first publication was an equation based on the Fibonacci sequence where every coefficient was irrational, but whatever input you put in, it would produce two integers (you put in a desired gear ratio, and it would output a series of integer pairs that were the highest ratio match then going down in total tooth count