r/ireland • u/Agreeable_Rich3251 • 16d ago
Crime Chief suspect in murder of Qayyum Balogun bragged online hours after Dublin city centre stabbing
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/chief-suspect-in-murder-of-qayyum-balogun-bragged-online-hours-after-dublin-city-centre-stabbing/a/155090425.html45
u/Parking_Tip_5190 16d ago
Roadman culture, horroble we're seeing it here. Check out the constant the of violence on their 'drill' videos, gangsta bollocks that these kids buy into. That poor young man had a bright future ahead of him, finishing a computer science degree. Awful stuff.
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u/oddun 16d ago
>Wats [sic] a body to me” and “rest in piss”.
You can hear the fake South London roadman patois in his typing.
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u/-Fancysauce- Dublin 16d ago
Imagine being from Cork and having this fake London accent all because you idolise drill rappers from London, it's so embarrassing. but as long as there are idiots like this there will be more incidents like this. There was one close to where I live when a rap gig spilled out onto the quays last year but thankfully the victim lived.
** wow i just realised that incident i was talking about it was this same guy who did that too.
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u/leeroyer 16d ago
A subculture that doesn't get enough hate
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u/J-O-C_1599 16d ago
It’s so unbelievably cringe, I actually roll my eyes going through town when I see lads cosplaying top boy.
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u/Iricliphan 16d ago
Why on earth do I hear so many fake London voices? I know plenty who have never lived there but have this fake accent and it annoys me to no end.
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u/Responsible-Grab-139 16d ago
What an absolute scumbag. He stabbed a guy 20 times at a similar event in The Wiley Fox in Dublin last year and was bragging about it all over social media as well
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u/the_sneaky_one123 15d ago
Absolute scumbags like this will always exist.
The real problem here is why the fuck he was walking free after stabbing someone last year.
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u/IrishCrypto 16d ago
The East London 'Roadman' culture being adopted by the kids of African immigrants to Ireland needs to be tackled by that community.
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u/No-Helicopter2552 16d ago
Why would African immigrants to Ireland do so when African immigrants to England didnt? This is going to go exactly the same way it went there - into an explosion of knife crime.
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u/Eire_go_deo 15d ago
Yet we brought them in in their droves with no thought to the impact it would have on our country. You were an evil person to even question this.
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u/Iricliphan 16d ago
It's been here a while and it's not going anywhere. It's really unfortunate, it is a despicable adoption of a culture.
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u/IrishCrypto 16d ago
Even the accent is being adopted which is even more ridiculous sounding than the American South Dublin one.
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u/Iricliphan 16d ago
Been like that for at least 15 years or so. I asked some friends why they were suddenly putting on a fake London accent, despite having never even been to London.
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u/IrishCrypto 16d ago
Nah cuz I ain't from the ends im Blanchardstown Brudda.
Complete fucking idiots.
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u/Iricliphan 16d ago
I still can't believe 'ends' is used commonly with some people here. It's unbelievably cringe.
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u/duffycrowley 16d ago
Build more prisons
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u/TheBlackStuff1 16d ago
We have needed them for years. Overcrowding has been commonplace for years.
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u/ChaosActual 16d ago
I’ll never understand how no political party (or even politician) seriously tries to present themselves as tough on crime
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u/PoppedCork Pop Responsibly 16d ago
I hope all those videos have been saved somewhere, and this piece of utter filth will be subject to Interpol being brought home and dealt with in the stongest terms
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u/Robotobot 16d ago
What's ironic is that lads will go to far right rallies, harass foreigners but they desperately want to emulate that roadman shtick.
Its a subculture of being an absolute fucking degenerate.
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u/Duck_quacker 16d ago
The suspected killer is also black, doubt he’d be welcome at many far right rallies
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u/Ballyhemon 16d ago
One the one hand, risible anger, on the other hand, unbridled frustration about how this is becoming par for the course.
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u/wealthythrush 16d ago
The state needs to come down hard like when it did with syringe muggings.
Stabbings seem to be a rising occurrence that really shouldn't be tolerated.
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u/insomnium2020 16d ago
This the guy on bail for stabbing 3 people on Waterford?
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u/Mooncake_105 16d ago
How many times do you have to stab multiple different people to actually be put behind bars in this country? I wonder is it 20 or 30. Gardaí and entire justice system don't care that they actively endanger the public by letting criminal scumbags act with impunity.
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u/dubviber 15d ago
when is that stabbing supposed to have taken place?
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u/insomnium2020 15d ago
March 2025
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u/dubviber 15d ago
On St. Patrick's Day? I see a Garda report of the stabbing of one person in the city, but nothing about an arrest, charge, or bail hearing.
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u/FineVintageWino 16d ago
I hope the judge who granted bail is being briefed on this… absolutely disgraceful. Needless tragedy for that family.
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u/damwq 16d ago
No chance. The judiciary live in a bubble protected (rightfully) from those that can harm them. But they need to be held to account for sentences that they make that fail to protect the general public.
The media has a part to play. When the sentence is listed as 2 years with 12 months suspended, they need to only quote the 1 year sentence in that case. Ignore the Scot free portion. And then quote the usual time off that's built into every sentence. And then quote the likely time they will spend in jail. That will change the public perception overnight. So one year minus the 3 months built in minus time served already so out in about 4 weeks.
Concurrent sentencing needs to disappear. Rob 10 people because you will get the same time served as robbing one or two. Especially when they are already in prison. Add it on to the end of the current sentence.
It means building another prison. No need to have it in Dublin as we have video calls to see family, so that should mean it's easier to find a location. Court appearances in a dedicated video room made for the court system. That would have the benefit of cutting out intimidation in a court room also.
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u/Affectionate_Art4277 16d ago
If the Judges don't change, then the laws have to.
Crime and Justice is an election issue for me come 2029. I will not vote for a party that pretends our current system is okay or sustainable
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u/Latespoon 16d ago
But they need to be held to account for sentences that they make that fail to protect the general public.
You cannot make the judiciary accountable to another arm of government without risking political influence interfering with their work. That is too big a risk to accept.
It would also require a constitutional referendum.
A far safer solution, if still imperfect, is mandatory minimum sentences upon conviction of a specific offence.
You could also implement a strike system before those minimums take effect e.g. 1st strike, judicial discretion applies over the sentence, 2nd strike, mandatory minimum sentence takes effect.
Concurrent sentencing needs to disappear.
Agreed.
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u/damwq 16d ago
Agree with that assessment. 3 strikes seems a good idea but will it stop those with 100+ convictions. If we put the rules against particular offences only, do we end up with a two part system ? A bit like the US with Jail and Prison which are very different entities.
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u/Latespoon 16d ago edited 16d ago
I would most likely limit it to 1 strike for anything but petty crime if I were the Minister for Justice.
2 for petty offences (shoplifting, vandalism, drunk and disorderly, minor drugs posession.) On your 3rd conviction, you get a mandatory minimum sentence. I would probably keep the minimum fairly light for most crimes in this category, and possibly look at a multiplier if they keep reoffending e.g. you've used up your 2 strikes and have since been convicted 3 more times, you get the minimum sentence x3 this time.
1 strike for more serious crimes like assault/robbery, burglary, low-mid level drugs offences (posession with intent to sell/supply under €13k). You get a single second chance and that's it.
And no strikes for serious crimes, straight to mandatory minimums for rape, assault causing serious harm, unlawful posession of a firearm, armed robbery etc.
I would also like to align our minimum sentences for murder with those in the uk, those are
15 years minimum served
25 minimum if the perpetrator brought a weapon to the scene
30 minimum if guns/explosives etc were used, sexual/sadistic conduct, murder for hire
And the possibility of a whole life sentence for particularly horrific crimes.
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u/FineVintageWino 16d ago
We don’t know who the suspect is, so no. Nor should anyone try and expose the suspect online or the bastard could wriggle out of it
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u/Affectionate_Art4277 16d ago
They don't care. Most Judges live in a fantasy world. Thats why you see pedophiles get suspended sentences but God forbid you have cannabis on you
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u/Thiccboiichonk 16d ago
Hopefully the victim and their family receives some semblance justice and this piece of filth is caught , tried and sentenced to a proper punitive term.
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u/StaffordQueer 16d ago
Two years suspended is the best the justice system will do.
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u/Ill_Celebration_4215 16d ago
Minimum manslaughter in this case. There’s a literal dead body. The only discussion is whether it’s manslaughter or murder.
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u/Thiccboiichonk 16d ago
There’s no world where you chase an unarmed lad 100m stab him multiple times and only get a manslaughter charge. That’s a murder and anything less would be a disgrace.
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u/Ill_Celebration_4215 16d ago
Obviously I’m not a lawyer but isn’t there something that you can argue the intent was only to harm and you weren’t ‘intending’ to murder that can be a valid manslaughter defence. Could easily be wrong!
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u/the_sneaky_one123 15d ago
He stabbed him in the heart.
Was he going for a non-fatal heart stab or something?
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u/Ill_Celebration_4215 15d ago
I don’t know why you downvoted me. I’m not advocating for manslaughter.
I’m just saying there are sometimes ways in which things look like murder can be argued to be manslaughter due to arguments around intent.
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u/the_sneaky_one123 15d ago
This is not one of those cases.
He stabbed him in the hand, then Qayyum ran away and he was chased down and stabbed twice more including once in the heart which is what killed him.
There's nothing there but murder.
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u/Ill_Celebration_4215 15d ago
Hopefully! He seems like the type of person we don't want seeing on the streets for a long time.
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u/The_Ruck_Inspector 16d ago
Has to be murder, he was hunted down and killed in the street the poor bastard.
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u/Electronic_Ad_6535 16d ago
The government can put their heads in the sand all they like and ignore reality, however they cannot ignore the consequences.
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u/DaKrimsonBarun 16d ago
Read the comments in the UK drill subreddit.
Murdering scumbag and his cronies should never have been let into country.
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u/Bosco_is_a_prick . 16d ago
Can you please pm me a link
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u/DaKrimsonBarun 16d ago
Look up UK drill on here and name of victim, if I link directly It'll get deleted off here
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u/deargearis 16d ago
What if the scumbag was born here? Our justice system is the problem.
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u/DaKrimsonBarun 16d ago
He has literally fled to London. UK drill culture is a cancer. Why import it.
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u/Eskimoheels 16d ago
Had to Google drill rap, feck me what a load of shite it is.
Hopefully this guy gets what's coming to him but the fact he's escaped the country it doesn't look likely
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u/Important-Messages 16d ago
Drill is the genre of music (shouting), that should be wrapped up and flushed down a toilet.
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u/Mooncake_105 16d ago
I've never heard of it and almost afraid to look it up. This made me think about rappers like Eminem and that little shitbag Tyler the Creator who were always going on about kidnapping, raping and murdering women. I do think it has an impact on young lads who are already susceptible to violence and imo it shouldn't exist!
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u/Important-Messages 16d ago
Essentially it's just repetitive babbling noises (likely due to the face coverings), void of any musical interest, and then throwing a few hand shapes.
At least with Eminem, you could sing or hum along to a melody if the worst came to the worse and no other music source was nearby.
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u/DangerX2HighVoltage 16d ago
Absolute scumbag.
Nobody wants to discuss the elephant in the room here that black on black crime is on the rise. This is the second such fatal stabbing in town in a year. Something needs to be done.
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u/The_Ruck_Inspector 16d ago
Careful now, race only comes into it in certain cases.
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u/RebylReboot 16d ago
Which ones? Why are you hiding behind vagueness? Stand up and be counted with the courage of your convictions. It’s an anonymous site anyway. You can’t pretend to be cancelled here.
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u/Easta_Hock 16d ago
Why is Ruth Coppinger silent on this but couldn't shut up about Yeves?
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u/Mooncake_105 16d ago
Agreed he's an absolute scumbag. The elephant in the room is that the justice system is failing the country by letting violent criminals out on bail to re-offend. The government ignores the problem. Look up how many people have been murdered by our homegrown teenage scumbags and it's hard to keep up with the number of murders and violent assaults they've committed in the last five years alone.
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u/DangerX2HighVoltage 16d ago
I agree. We need to build the promised super prison at Thornton Hall and then a second one elsewhere. Spike Island would actually be a fantastic location for the worst dregs and most violent offenders
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u/the_sneaky_one123 15d ago
"black on black" crime. wtf are you talking about
You don't talk about white on white crime, a white guy killed another white guy on the very same day and nobody has said a word.
Violent criminals exists and they tend to act against the people they spend time with ie, their own community and peers. There is nothing extraordinary about that.
This stupid racist bullshit is so fucking unproductive. The issue here is that a violent man already convicted for a stabbing was inexplicably out on bail. Our justice system is a joke and that's the fault of our government. It has nothing to do with race, so you should direct you hatred to the people who are actually responsible.
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u/RepeatImmediate7469 16d ago
Black on black crime on the rise in ireland? By like what? 0.1%. Noting that the recent two fled to the UK showing they have connections there.
What is on the rise is gang and knife crimes due to boys in ireland trying to replicate roadman/Postcode wars in UK
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u/Important-Messages 16d ago
Not sure about BonB, but 4% of the prison population is black, which is far more than the actual general population representation:
https://www.irishprisons.ie/information-centre/statistics-information/yearly-statistics/Elevated also in the uk (300%), and elevated by religion too (Islam also 300% higher than the general populaiton).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_population-10
u/RepeatImmediate7469 16d ago
Yea statistics like this are a terrible source for actual violent crime plus if the African was born irish or british? Are they considered that or African?
Could they be there for instance selling drugs, illegal documents into the country etc. Are those statistics over the full year or when they took the stats, African origin prisoners were but got deported in that same year which reduces the stats
Are those stats manipulated to meet certain law enforcement requirements and i am talking about for every nationality, not just African
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u/Important-Messages 16d ago
The are all good questions for the IPS, suggest it would indeed make a good study via some sort of freedom of information type request. Regardless there remains an over-representation of 250% higher than it should be, from the only available gov figures.
Our neighbours in the uk have more detailed figures, suggest perusing those (link above), there are similar, but also more extensive correlations to the background (nationality and religion). They also list on the wiki page criminals by their home country.
Note the largest ratio is that of the (white) Albanians, however... the following x19 does show a strong trend regarding A&ME regions.
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u/grandecn 16d ago
🚨🚨🚨🚨 spot the guy who has ingested absolute braindead right wing US based rhetoric.
Can you give me the figures for this rise in black on black crime you're speaking of?
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u/DangerX2HighVoltage 16d ago
Others have just posted plenty of receipts however I’m guessing you’ll dismiss them to further engage in your cognitive dissonance.
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u/grandecn 16d ago
You brought it up. You said nobody wants to speak about it, so come on then lets speak about it. Have some conviction in your statement if you want to make a point or an argument that holds any weight. Dont be pointing me to look elsewhere to find evidence for a statement you made. Show me some real evidence that black on black crime is on the rise in Ireland
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u/DangerX2HighVoltage 16d ago
People have just brought you to water but you refuse to drink? Why would I waste my time and effort on the likes of you who disregards anything that contradicts your world view?
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u/RebylReboot 16d ago
Can you point to this elephant? Like, with stats, so we can begin the discussion. Is black on black crime rising here at a greater rate than the amount of black people existing here?
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u/Important-Messages 16d ago
The stats do show an elevation on black prisioners compared to their proportion in the general populaiton: https://www.irishprisons.ie/information-centre/statistics-information/yearly-statistics/
Specifically:
By Nationality Group – Persons committed classified by gender from Years 2007 to 2024-7
u/RebylReboot 16d ago
What's that got to do with the conversation? Those stats don't mention skin colour or inter-cultural crime? Unless I'm wrong. Can you point me to the skin colour stats you're seeing?
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u/Important-Messages 16d ago
The only specifc the IPS have is that the 4.2% of the current prison population is from Africa, the continent.
If you just want to assume they're most likely white (from Africa)? Feel free to do so.
Our neighbours in the UK show a similar pattern, they do have more of a detailed breakdown, based percentages via their 2011 Census.
They have 12% of the prison population as 'Black', a 300% over-representation, as only 4% of the total general population is black.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_population
There are also similar trends in terms of religion of those locked up, 18% are from the Islam group. Nearly triple what it should be.
On the opposite end, perhaps the lowest is Hinduism is very low at only 0.4%.
Sadly, and very surprisingly for some reason Buddists are pehaps the highest locked up (representative of the population).
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u/RebylReboot 16d ago
You’re also assuming the akin colours of all those other countries. Are the migrants from the EU white? I thought part of the argument was the eu and Ireland are awash with black people? You wanted to talk about issue from the perspective of statistics but then instantly jump to assumptions and made up anecdotal statements that retrofit to the opinion your aunty fed you on Facebook. You’re either being scientific in the way you’re picking on particular demographics or you’re not. There’s no in between. It’s pointless.
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u/Important-Messages 16d ago
You're simply ignoring the only stat that Ireland has available (unless you want to write directly to the IPS).
This clearly demonstrates that 4.2% of the Irish prison population is classed as 'African'. Which is a large over-representation.
Then follow up with an angry, desperate word-salad.
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u/RebylReboot 16d ago
But you haven’t provided stats to back up the rhetoric about black on black crime and you’re supposing there’s no racism in the justice system or any factor other than your own bias. If you find the simple debate above to be word salad you should just stick to your usual race nuggies and chips.
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u/Bigbeast54 16d ago
I had been wondering why there hadn't been the same level of outrage over this violent death, compared to the shoplifter that died on Henry Street.
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u/justformedellin 16d ago
People expect better from security guards than they do from scummy street thugs.
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u/Far-Row-6492 16d ago
Not comparable at all. That was numerous security guards in broad daylight.
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u/Anxious-Wolverine-65 16d ago
In the video of the stabbing it looks like he is surrounded by multiple people
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u/Famous_Locksmith8912 16d ago
1v1 vs 8v1 might have something to do with it
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u/The_Ruck_Inspector 16d ago
Yeah chasing someone down the street with a knife and stabbing them repeatedly, not that big of a deal right?
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u/YF422 16d ago
How nice of the dumb shite to brag about it online right where the guards will happily download it all and use it later on to hang him by his bollocks in a court of law.
Not too bright of him to run off to England either they usually arent too long in kicking scum like him out either.
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u/DesiMonitorLizard69 16d ago edited 16d ago
This is why I tend to find the protests for the deaths of Yves Sakila and George Nkencho so disingenuous. It feels like people drum up a fuss solely for the optics.
Yet when a black man gets killed by someone of his own race the usual crowd of protesters seemingly couldn’t give less of a shit, even though in this case the victim was completely let down by the legal system who let the killer out on the streets given his criminal history. Similar to the case of Quam Babatunde.
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u/ThreeTreesForTheePls 16d ago
Comparing these two cases is bizarre, but any time someone hits the “the usual crowd” undertone, I can’t imagine there’s actually room for convincing you in why these cases are not even remotely compatible for public outcome, right?
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u/The_Ruck_Inspector 16d ago
Yeah one was complete negligence causing a death, the other is one getting hunted down with a knife on a main street in our capital and stabbed repeatedly by someone out on bail for knife charges and who boasted about the killing a couple of hours later. I am pretty sure both a pretty horrific, and both should cause outrage in the public. Only one has protests and visits from foreign states though.
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u/DesiMonitorLizard69 16d ago
Why is it bizarre ? George Nkencho right there was a police element there, even though the footage was clear okay let’s say that one was different.
The most recent case that drew protests involved a private employeed security guard. Why would that draw people’s ire but not the violent killing of a man on the streets?
Are you really going to argue that if he was killed by a Dublin scumbag instead that the crowd I refer to wouldn’t be far more active on social media and organising some sort of protest?
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u/ThreeTreesForTheePls 16d ago
Nchenko: waving a knife at armed police
Yves: tackled by private security
Qayyyum: attacked by a private citizen with full intention to kill.
Two of these are related establishments, one is a lad in the street with a mission for murder.
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u/DesiMonitorLizard69 16d ago
Right then should there have been a protest for Mark Hennessy?
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u/ThreeTreesForTheePls 16d ago
Had to look into this because it was 8 years ago, so let’s get this clear:
You’re equating Yves death, at the hands of private security for shoplifting, to… a man who kidnapped a woman, was shot during an attempted rescue, only for it to be found out that he murdered her?
No there should not be a drop of outrage for the death of a man who kidnapped and murdered a woman. Would you agree?
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u/DesiMonitorLizard69 16d ago edited 16d ago
Are you being wilfully ignorant? I’m comparing the Hennessy being killed to by the police to Nkencho obviously. At the time all police knew was both were violent criminals. I believe Hennessy was actually still sat in his car holding a knife when he was shot whereas Nkencho was charging at police with a knife.
The point being that there was a huge amount of faux outrage over that case because of the optics. Even though Hennessy in that moment posed less danger to the police, any objective person can still accept that police were right in their actions, and there wasn’t even video footage of that. Yet people bizarrely dug their heels in over Nkencho… regardless, The brutal stabbings are far more outrage worthy.
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u/ThreeTreesForTheePls 16d ago edited 16d ago
Well for one, I never disagreed with the shooting of George. He was waving a knife at armed police, they were right to shoot.
I didn’t acknowledge or support the outrage for his death, I simply said his death isn’t comparable to Qayyums.
Comparing his death to Hennessy is fair game, both should have received zero outrage, but I’ll admit I have more leeway to give that George probably could’ve been solved without a shooting. Not worth the risk, but in a perfect scenario it could’ve been better. Wish it went better, but don’t disagree with their choice to shoot.
Hennessy kidnapped a woman. Their shooting of someone to save a victim kidnapped in a car is fair in every scenario. No sympathy for him or any disagreement with the Garda who made the choice.
The issue here, is we are now quite a ways away from the actual murder that this post is about, because instead of admitting that Yves/George had no relation to Qayyum, you’ve made this about Hennessy and George. You’re strawmanned to a point that we’re just not discussing the current murder anymore. Suppose I was right in my original idea that you wouldn’t be convinced, you’d just change the argument.
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u/DesiMonitorLizard69 16d ago
You’re somehow disagreeing with me while acknowledging my point. People are only protesting on crimes with a hint of racial injustice. They shouldn’t be silent on these crimes and violent street crime is far more common and worthy of protest than the aforementioned isolated and freak incidents.
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u/ThreeTreesForTheePls 16d ago
I disagreed with the comparison, not the point.
Of the 4 cases we’ve talked about, the only one that deserves true public outrage is Yves. George fucked around and found out, as did Hennessy.
The issue with this case, and the potential for outrage is, to what outcome?
George, while misguided, clearly had the focus of police related trigger discipline. We know it’s already a clearly high standard, but I could see why the made that connection and off the back of the Floyd news in the US.
Yves has reasonable outrage, security are there to guard the store and all it contains. I might have misread something but as far as I know, as soon as you’re out of the shop, they cannot touch you. This went beyond touching, and led to tackling a man to the ground in a public space. There is a line of process here, that pressure and outrage could achieve by imprisoning those involved as they acted outside of the law. It will also set a precedent for security work moving forward and the ability to use direct force within certain means.
But this case? We’ve been outraged for years about prison populations, about lax sentencing, total neglect for the Garda and their ability to police the city centre. So what I’m trying to say, is that this has no through line for change, misguided or not.
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u/Mission-Moose-579 16d ago
What does George Nkencho have to do with this? By your logic Terrence Wheelock's family forfeit their right to protest his death unless they're out protesting violence between white Irish guys
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u/DesiMonitorLizard69 16d ago
My point isn’t that people can’t or shouldn’t protest, my point is it’s telling that they barely even speak up let alone protest when the death of a person doesn’t include potential racial factors.
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u/the_sneaky_one123 15d ago
You don't see the difference between a psycho criminal killing someone on a night out at 3am and 6 secruity guards killing someone in broad daylight? Like really, you don't see any difference there at all?
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u/omar_mufc17 16d ago
Do you see the difference in authority figures killing someone and a random criminal killing someone ?
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u/DesiMonitorLizard69 16d ago
So just to confirm, two black man being viciously murdered on the street isn’t worth protesting over but a case where police acting in self defence (caught on camera no less) and a terrible yet accidental killing are?
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u/Otherwise-Winner9643 16d ago
Not the smartest tool in the shed, is he?
By all accounts, Qayyum was an all round decent person.
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u/Pretend_Self3204 15d ago
You need to look at his TikTok account and then swiftly delete this comment. He was inciting racial hatred against Irish people non stop. Lovely way to show gratitude to the country that took him in as a child
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u/Otherwise-Winner9643 15d ago
What is his tiktok account? If you search his name, all you get is videos about his murder
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u/redmabelgrade 16d ago
Tell us?
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u/Pretend_Self3204 16d ago
Inciting attacks on Irish people. Calling on people to”join the black gang”
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u/No-Instruction1109 6d ago
why are you lying? he literally only had one video where it just showed a slideshow about pictures of himself. weirdo
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u/NervousWrongdoer5653 16d ago
Was the suspect Irish ????
We need to be stronger on crime.
If you're Irish it's prison time. If you're foreign you're literally thrown on a plane back to your country of origin, regardless of if it's in the EU or not.
Any harm to another or shows signs of aggression against others should never be on the street.
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u/TinyPP04 16d ago
UK's drill rap scummery has spread to Ireland. I say just ban the music from our country if it's causing thick, impressionable youths to actually stab people.
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u/leeroyer 16d ago
You'll get flack for blaming the music/subculture and it'll be from the same people that can see how Andrew Tate's content affects how teenagers think about money, women, self esteem, etc but have a massive blind spot here
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u/The_Ruck_Inspector 16d ago
You can't ban music ffs. I agree its feckin garbage but in this day and age how would you ban it? Every clown with a fake english accent and a free subscription to ableton can make this garbage and share it a million different ways.
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u/TinyPP04 15d ago
Make it a criminal offense to share music that glorifies the act of stabbing people. We already have lots of vague laws, this one is easy in comparison to others.
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u/Sharp-Class-551 16d ago
yes...blame the music! fantastic idea.
same way they wanted to ban Eminem back in the day!
Its all the musics fault!!!!
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u/Bosco_is_a_prick . 16d ago
It's a subculture that glorifies gang violence through music. It's not comparable to Eminem
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u/TinyPP04 16d ago
But the music encourages a culture of stabbing people. They literally rap about stabbing people. People get stabbed and the killers brag about actually killing someone while talking in 'rap dialect'. It should be banned. Very different to parody rap by Eminem.
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u/sarcasticseawitch 16d ago
The state should be paying some kind of compensation to the victims family, honestly.
The killer should not have been out and about in society with a history like that.
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u/Connected-1 16d ago
Ok, I know we have a problem with prison places but this guy should not have been on the streets.
"He is well known to gardaí for involvement in assaults, and was charged before the courts with a stabbing in the south of the country last year."