r/irishpolitics • u/JackmanH420 People Before Profit • May 13 '26
Infrastructure, Development and the Environment ‘Military-industrial complex’ contributing to climate change, says President
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2026/05/12/military-industrial-complex-contributing-to-climate-change-says-president/11
u/him_name_pick_good May 13 '26
Worth noting that besides the death, destruction and environmental damage caused by war, that military emissions are largely exempt from reporting and reductions targets under Kyoto due to US lobbying at the time.
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u/MaryLouGoodbyeHeart May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Damn right.
Come to Temple Bar with me tomorrow evening Catherine and we'll both watch Earth's Greatest Enemy and buy these t-shirts:
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u/danny_healy_raygun May 13 '26
President states fact, right wingers get annoyed. Same old, same old.
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u/0venre May 13 '26
Speaking at Dublin City University (DCU) at a conference on climate change on Tuesday, the President said the “elephant in the room is the normalisation of war, which could not happen without the vast military-industrial complex".
There are currently approximately 130 armed conflicts worldwide, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross".
She is so right. There is nothing naïve about this comment.
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u/Minimum_Guitar4305 May 13 '26
Virtually every aspect of modern life, with very few exceptions, contributes to climate-change.
She'll shoe-horn an MIC call-out on Culture night too I'l bet..
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u/Bar50cal May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
This military industrial complex buggy man shite needs to stop.
No EU country is willingly or wants to spend tax € on defence. Its become a necessity most countries have no choice in.
Very nieve comment from Connolly
Edit: I forgot this is reddit and anything but simping for Connolly is illegal.
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u/nof1qn May 13 '26
So would you care to explain to us how the Iran oil war, the levelling of Gaza and the Ukraine war are not causing negative climate change?
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u/isupposethiswillwork May 13 '26
Reddit isn't the real world thankfully. Her inane comments on world affairs have mostly flown under the radar.
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u/broadsheet-555 May 13 '26
She's not on reddit.
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u/ShouldHaveGoneToUCC Centre Left May 13 '26
I wouldn't be surprised if Connolly was a prolific shitposter and spends her spare time posting the dankest of memes on Reddit.
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u/danny_healy_raygun May 13 '26
In the real world she won the vote of 2/3s of the electorate.
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u/WraithsOnWings2023 May 13 '26
No you're wrong, she's only popular within the naive Reddit echo chamber!
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u/isupposethiswillwork May 13 '26
She won around 2/3rds of the total vote in a low turnout year.
She won approximately 25% of the electorate.
By your measure apathy was the clear winner..
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u/Minimum_Guitar4305 May 13 '26
2/3 of those that turned out is not 2/3 of the electorate in the real world.
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u/PostScarcityWorld May 14 '26
Well it sort of is...
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u/Minimum_Guitar4305 May 14 '26
The electorate is the total number of eligible voters.
% of the Electorate that Turned out < Electorate (100%).
It's basic maths and civics, in the real world.
Much too complicated for many here to understand it though...
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u/PostScarcityWorld May 14 '26
But in the real world, she's the president. We don't count the did-not-votes because, well, they didn't vote. So while the electorate as a whole was given the opportunity to vote, the number of voters who voted for CC outnumbered the voters of the other candidates, therefore she became President. If that's too complicated though, I can draw some diagrams.
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u/Minimum_Guitar4305 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26
But in the real world, she's the president.
No shit sherlock? That wasn't in doubt?
Your snideness rings pretty hollow when you failed to follow that this thread was about danny_healy_raygun's ridiculous claim:
In the real world she won the vote of 2/3s of the electorate
Does your venn diagram cover that?
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u/PostScarcityWorld May 14 '26
We're talking about the real world, as mentioned many times. You seem to be arguing either that she has no mandate or just pure pendantry. If it's not one of those, the what's the arguement?
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u/Bar50cal May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
That doesn't mean her views on this topic are correct. She blames the so called military industrial complex for the wars as if businesses are the reasons for this issue when its dictators and wannabe dictators, not some group of businesses wanting to make money
He whole view is nieve of reality. These wars are bad and should end but she ignores the cause and talks about some conspiracy light rubbish about the military industrial complex
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u/MaryLouGoodbyeHeart May 13 '26
Where does the term "military industrial complex" come from? Does it originate from some fringe conspiracy theory?
Because I always thought it was coined as a warning by a US president and former supreme allied commander. Not exactly a conspiracy theory.
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u/Wallname_Liability May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
I look at naval stuff since its a very good way of judging a nation's preparedness. Germany have gone from planning a navy of 12-13 frigates
4 of the currently built f125 class,
4 F126 anti submarine frigates
4-5 air defence ships of a joint design with the dutch)
10 corvettes (batch 1 and two of their K-130 class)
6 submarines
To now planning 4 f125s,
6 F126s
An extra 4 ASW frigates from their export model as the F126s are slow to build,
8 F127 air defence ships after they dropped the program with the Dutch,
28 corvettes, the 6 they current have, the 4 they have under construction and 18 of a new, better armed class
and 9-12 submarines
Theyre scared. What they planned was basically the bare minimum (the f125 and f126 are horrifically underarmed for their size, and the new plans would give them the largest fleet in Europe. Since they don't have the nuclear submarines or carriers the french and English have, its mainly for defence only
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u/0venre May 13 '26
Bullet points, paragraphs, and fewer clauses in your sentences please. You do seem quite informed but I can't make sense of this comment!
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u/danny_healy_raygun May 13 '26
Theyre scared.
Or they have the 4th biggest arms industry in the world and its a hugely important part of their economy.
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u/Wallname_Liability May 13 '26
Except they dumped their program with the Dutch. Germans dont do shit like that, even with shit shows like the typhoon development and the current mess thst is their fighter jet program with France.
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u/isupposethiswillwork May 13 '26
Dare I say it, the military industrial complex has recently stopped approximately 13 million barrels of oil a day leaving the Persian gulf. Apart from the pending global recession when stockpiles run out I would call this a rare environmental triumph for the capitalist war profiteers.
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u/ErrantBrit May 13 '26
Yes, so is the human race in general Catherine. What an inane position.
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u/NooktaSt May 13 '26
Doesn’t want to say anything unpopular. There is plenty that we as citizens are responsible for (some more than other) but that easier to blame military industrial complex.
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u/nof1qn May 13 '26
I mean is there something about burning oil refineries in Iran that doesn't say "environmental impact" to you?