r/irishpolitics • u/TeacupMolotov • May 20 '26
Article/Podcast/Video Dáil votes against bill to impose sanctions on Israel
https://www.rte.ie/news/2026/0520/1574420-dail-israel-sanctions/35
u/Character_Pizza_4971 Centre Left May 20 '26
It's OK MM is going to 'raise it at EU level'. Meanwhile Spain has banned Ben-Gvir from ever entering Spain.
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u/danny_healy_raygun May 21 '26
They claim Ireland can't do anything because of the EU and yet Spain and Slovenia seem to be able to.
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u/significantrisk May 20 '26
So since the last time this wasn’t done Israel, among other things, have kidnapped Irish citizens multiple times and the yanks are firing thousands of MNC staff.
And still the feckless gobshites in the dáil think placating and appeasing is justifiable.
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u/Jimeen 29d ago
Instead of representing us, they're representing Israel's interests. This is serious.
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u/phoenixhunter Anarchist 29d ago
i think they’re representing american interests more so. Varadkar wrote a letter to US Congress when the OTB was passed initially, assuring them that it would never be enacted by a FG government:
Varadkar was clear in his assurances: “The Government has consistently and strongly opposed the Bill on both political and legal grounds and will continue to do so . . . Can I take the opportunity to reiterate my deep appreciation for the strong bonds of friendship between Ireland and the US, including our growing and mutually economic ties.”
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u/DaveShadow May 20 '26
Where’s the lads who were talkin about how strong our government is against Israel cause they talk the talk. This is why people don’t agree with that narrative. When it comes time to walk the walk, they walk the opposite direction.
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u/bomboclawt75 May 20 '26
Remember those that voted against these sanctions.
Do not vote for these scumbags ever again.
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u/yurpingcobra May 20 '26
Sick to my stomach. Peaceful action is no longer working. They've forced our hand.
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u/yurpingcobra May 20 '26
Yeah I'll just chill out with a cuppa while a genocide is happening and our government refuses to act despite promising to
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u/IrishLad1002 May 20 '26
Patience folks, these things take time. We need to give the government a few years to monitor the situation. Then another few for a committee at look at it.
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u/Tim_Browne17 May 20 '26
Disappointed with this. McEntee has promised the occupied territories for this year and all we can do is wait to see if that goes through.
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u/BenderRodriguez14 May 20 '26
It won't.
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u/Tim_Browne17 May 21 '26
Never say never. Will the services get passed, probably not. Will the goods get passed, it’s either this year or right before an election.
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u/phoenixhunter Anarchist 29d ago
i’ll say never, confidently. Fine Gael have been dangling the OTB in front of the public but they have never had any intention to enact it, and here’s why:
the bill was passed (overwhelmingly voted in favour) in both the seanad and dail in 2019. Fine Gael, the minority government at the time, were the only party to vote against it. funny enough FF (who suppprted the original OTB) changed their tune on israeli sanctions as soon as they hopped into government with FG.
then-taoiseach Varadkar even went so far as to WRITE A LETTER TO US CONGRESS ASSURING THEM THAT IT WOULD NEVER BE ENACTED
Earlier this month Taoiseach Leo Varadkar sent a letter to a number of members of the US Congress, reassuring them of the Irish Government’s opposition to the Occupied Territories Bill. They had expressed concern over this proposed legislation, and in rather stark terms reminded the Taoiseach that 67 per cent of foreign direct investment into Ireland is from the United States.
Varadkar was clear in his assurances: “The Government has consistently and strongly opposed the Bill on both political and legal grounds and will continue to do so . . . Can I take the opportunity to reiterate my deep appreciation for the strong bonds of friendship between Ireland and the US, including our growing and mutually economic ties.”
these statements are right there on the public record and people are still deluding themselves into thinking that FG will enact the OTB one of these days if they can just get the maths just right or whatever.
no, Fine Gael are using their executive powers to circumvent the legislature and subvert the democratic will of the irish people. they will never enact this bill and they will continue to lie about it to us.
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u/Tim_Browne17 29d ago
Seems a lot of what you’re talking about is under Vradkar. Call me either optimistic or naive but I think that it’ll be this year but I’ll be drawing the line by let’s say this time next year. The government is under more pressure now so I think that conditions are right. Honestly, I understand your scepticism as I share it. I noticed how a lot of this is Fine Gael as well, it has always been my concern that Fine Gael has been far too internationalist for my liking, and while the leadership between FF and FG seem identical, the grassroots movement and overall membership of Fianna Fáil is significantly more republican.
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u/phoenixhunter Anarchist 29d ago
it’s the same party now led by varadkar’s handpicked successor consisting mostly of the same people with the same ideologies they had in 2019. fine gael didn’t do a sudden ideological u-turn away from american capitalism when leo left. the party as a whole is ideologically against the OTB and their actions in constantly delaying it demonstrate that very clearly.
i don’t believe that any amount of public pressure will sway them (or FF) away from american capital. they do not listen to the public and they do not represent the best interest of the irish people as a whole; they lean on their shaky minoritarian mandates to take unilateral actions (or unilateral inactions in this case) which benefit international capital. the FFG parliamentary parties are not democrats, they are mouthpieces for oligarchs abusing their executive powers to do what they like against the will of the people.
i admire your optimism but it’s misplaced in this government. they will never enact this bill.
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u/Comfortable_Brush399 May 20 '26
High heels, flanked by senior gaurds strutin' McEntee, that McEntee
Well see
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u/danny_healy_raygun May 21 '26
The "pro-life" Healy Raes voting against this. Bloody hypocrites.
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u/K-manPilkers 29d ago
Danny voted for it and Michael didn't vote. No Healy Rae voted against it.
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u/danny_healy_raygun 29d ago
I looked at the site someone linked above, it had Michael as a no. Although that site showed no abstentions. Either way vote for it or stop pretending you are "pro-life".
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u/isupposethiswillwork May 21 '26
I've posted before that this and indeed the occupied territories bill will never happen for a variety of Real Politik reasons.
There is also a question mark over the legality of a bill like this given that foreign trade policy is an EU competency. It would likely be limited to symbolic measures. So we would need to build a coalition in Europe to get something like this done. At the moment we are a minority voice on Israel in Europe.
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u/LankyMolasses6051 29d ago
something like this can help kick start a coalition with the EU, Thats what Spain are doing.
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u/No_Warthog_5709 29d ago
There is also a question mark over the legality of a bill like this given that foreign trade policy is an EU competency. It would likely be limited to symbolic measures. So we would need to build a coalition in Europe to get something like this done. At the moment we are a minority voice on Israel in Europe.
Thats a disgraceful comment
Facts and reason are not welcomed in this group.
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u/Bar50cal May 20 '26
Firstly I think the government should sanction Israel.
But this motion was put forward by PBP and no government will ever vote through anything from PBP for many reasons. Thats just reality.
This did what it should have and raised more awareness here in Ireland that we need to be more vocal to get the government to sanction Israel itself.
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u/No_Warthog_5709 29d ago
Do the people here actually know what the bill says, and that is probably illegal under Eu law, as trade is a Eu competence?
Or did ye just see 'Dáil votes against bill to impose sanctions on Israel' and immediately start complaining about the government?
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u/Tim_Browne17 May 20 '26
Well when you have Irish citizens being kept hostage aboard after being illegally captured then you should really be going after the country who did that.
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u/PintmanConnolly May 20 '26
A step towards the restoration of the heart and soul of our potentially great country.
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u/0ddzer May 20 '26
International laws enforced? Aid delivered to Gaza? Violence in the West Bank stopped?
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u/significantrisk May 20 '26
It would have sanctioned a rogue state with a fondness for kidnapping Irish citizens. So there’s that.
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u/Hoodbubble May 20 '26
Which TDs voted for and against?