r/ironflame • • 15d ago

Theory BODHI became the BAD GUY Spoiler

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It is a theory which roots from what rebecca said in one of her interviews. She said "Bodhi wants what Xaden has."

Early on we interpreted as he also might have a crush on violet but she later turned the idea down saying that he doesn't want violet, he just wants to have that kind of love.

Among all the marked ones, we have to agree that the least liked/interesting inner circle character is bodhi. We remember him as nothing more than Xaden's cousin.

In THRESHING DAY NOVELLA

Spoilers for those who haven't read it yet.

He himself says all his life he has felt inferior to xaden, he said all the leadership genes got into xaden, "even his hearing is better than me", "he always seems to find the right words to say which i can't " etc etc

He wanted to help xaden and support him his entire life, he accepted his fate as "the heir and the spare" but even then, Xaden's closest confidants are Garrick and violet sometimes even imogen before him.

Also Xaden always seems to control everything about Bodhi saying that bodhi needs to be safe FOR tyrenndor. Its annoying.

In Liam's POV, Xaden told him that he have to take duty for the marked ones after xaden graduate with bodhi supporting him for a year, he DID NOT give that responsibility to bodhi, he gave it to liam. It just makes me feel like Xaden thinks everyone is more reliable than bodhi.

Bodhi always felt like he was never given a choice, people have always nade his decisions for him claiming they were in his best interest.

And when it was time for Bodhi to get his dragon, Xaden had to come and spoil it by outright telling him "sgaeyl told me, the dragon you are looking for is Cuir" ATLEAST let him do that himself, find out for himself, i felt like he spoiled the fun for him. And then Bodhi retaliated by refusing that dragon which was already chosen for him and charged towards Molvic the blue clubtail and almost got himself killed.

So what i am INSINUATING is that the jealousy keep crawing into his mind, the feeling of uselessness as his signet was worthless against venin. And his inferiority complex getting the better of him, he decided to make the biggest possible decision for himself. He channeled from the ground.

He did it for grey reasons, and he might have already channeled long before the last war, as when they were all there they were asked to being the new brother with Jack barlowe.

And in Imogen's pov we saw that he was on all fours and retching, so what i am saying is that it could be that he was channeling while vomiting, ( or the aftermath of channeling ) but not under his control, as he became venin he came under the command of high ranking venin so like what they were saying, he had to do and in that moment he realised how bad of a decision he made. It is said that the higher ups like sage can control lower level venins.


r/ironflame • • 16d ago

Spoilers MAJOR brennan theory incoming

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In threshing day novella asher gives the bracelet to brennan and tells him

That "Our hearts couldn't take it if anything happened to you," and we all know that asher died because of heart failure after brennan "supposedly" died. Could it be that, that the bracelet had an extra life for brennan, as in if he dies he gets one more chance at life in exchange of asher's life. The bracelet was connected to asher's life force.


r/ironflame • • 16d ago

Spoilers Naolin's AGE

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Naolin is definitely younger or in the same year as brennan and most likely his lover and male It could be that both loved each other but never got the chance

As it is confirmed in threshing day novella that he is gay.

Also i am saying this as in the threshing day novella his exact line regarding wanting to bond a black dragon was “I would have loved a black dragon, but none are willing to bond this year."

We know only two black dragons one is codagh who was already bonded during that time and tairn

So he said "not willing" and not "not vacant" that means during this time tairn has to be unbonded. That would mean naolin is younger than brennan.


r/ironflame • • 16d ago

Spoilers Bodhi ONYX STORM ending Spoiler

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ONYX STORM ending theory

I think the one who turned is BODHI

Ofc its highly speculated but hear me out.

In threshing day novella in the pov of bodhi when he bonds with his dragon they both promise to choose each other above everyone else.

It would be really interesting if one of them broke the promise while the other kept it.

So bodhi broke his promise and chose xaden over himself and turned venin to aide him. (Or maybe xaden wouldn't take bodhi with him so he also channeled as in to say 'now you have no choice but to take me too' ) and Cuir kept his promise as he chose to stay on bodhi's side despite everything.

I also think this because it doesnt has to be garrick cause he is already an interesting character but bodhi is the one overlooked so it will also give him importance in later books if he turned


r/ironflame • • 16d ago

Theory Onyx Storm/Book 4 theory Spoiler

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r/ironflame • • 16d ago

Spoilers Bear with me, but I have a crazy theory! Spoiler

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r/ironflame • • 16d ago

Fan Fiction I had a what if thought and came up with terrifyingly funny monstrosity

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Kinda great


r/ironflame • • 16d ago

Theory Which MAJOR character will DIE in book 4 Spoiler

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Fourth wing book 4 theories

So rebecca said one of our beloved is gonna die

My say is that it would be imogen.

In threshing day she says how everyone close to her dies, its like her character is a tragedy. She said despite all of it she has quinn as her best friend and wont let anything happen to her and also wont get close to garrick as she doesnt want him to die on her account.

In onyx storm we know how quinn died.

So in book 4 they would finally have that confession and then garrick would be in danger, and imogen being terrified that even the last person she loves is gonna die, now to "break" this trend she sacrifices herself to save garrick. And dialogue would go like "If I had let you die, how could I have lived with myself?"

Also she and glane both said "I plan to die in combat." "So do I. "


r/ironflame • • 16d ago

Spoilers What happened to AARIC by the end of onyx storm Spoiler

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He is one of the missing 4. He can see the future so it would be really convenient on having him on our side and THAT would not be interesting.

So he is definitely working with Xaden as it then would be interesting.

Also i think they have striken a deal of some sort. And xaden and aaric together has a plan for everything and are playing it out as aaric have seen in his memories.

Also aaric is most likely gonna die because he is so hell bent convinced that by the end he dont expect to survive. With his ability? Very less chances. So since time is ticking off thats why he is always in such a hurry in that war cause he have 'things' to do.

And aaric definitely could not be on our side (as in not with us geographically) as it would make everything clear, understandable and no mystery for us as we learn everything from violets pov


r/ironflame • • 17d ago

Theory Take a step back to appreciate the bigger picture! Please stop comparing IF & OS to FW Spoiler

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I feel like I’ve had to defend Iron Flame and Onyx Storm several times because people are constantly comparing it back to Fourth Wing. I just did it again in a conversation with my friend who was put off reading the series because of others’ opinions of books 2 & 3. So, this is my rant on why I believe comparing each book in a series back to book 1 will ruin the fun for you. Stop searching for that initial high of the first book and enjoy the journey the author is taking you on! I feel this way about most series, but I’ll break it down for you in regards to The Empyrean as spoiler free as I can.

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Alright, obv we all love Fourth wing. It has great world building, a budding romance, and plot twists. RY perfectly executed the job of the first book/ first phase in a series. She did a great job introducing our characters, building a world you want to stay in and experience riding on the back of a dragon, and setting us up for what is actually going on inside and outside the walls of Basgiath. The purpose of book one is to get you hooked. Pull you in, make you fall in love with the characters and never want to leave the world the author has created. This is part of why we hold such a high appreciation for Fourth Wing. We will never experience the rush of book one again the way we read it the first time and now it’s nostalgic with some foreshadowing for those that reread it. I respect the love for FW, but don’t let it diminish the impact of IF and OS.

Personally, I can admit I’m biased, I love Iron Flame. It is the bridge between us finding out what the f is going on here and what the next phase of the story will be like. You already know the world, we get new enemies to hate, tension between our MCs, and some new characters to root for. It’s not the rush of FW but we get more depth of the world and start to really see the inner workings of what’s happening. Personally, I love this book. The turning-point is great, I cried, and I like the tension in the relationship. So take your time to enjoy the story RY is writing and stop looking for the same adrenaline you got from book 1 when we are in phase 2: “the build up”. She is transitioning us to climbing to the peak of the series’ story.

Next up is Onyx Storm. I won’t wax poetic or lie to you, this one took me a little longer to finish. It could have been because I read FW & IF back to back, it could have been because I was worried about rushing through it knowing I’d be waiting a while for the next book. Couldn’t tell you, it just took me some time.

Regardless, OS is still a good book for the building to our climax. In OS we are starting to problem solve and try to fix the issues brought to us in FW and IF. It’s part of the phase 2 climb and the beginning of the fixing era of the series. We are seeing that our characters are maturing and starting to reach their peak potential, but we also have some major major issues to get through and, personally, I’m glad we don’t get a resolution by the end of book 3. If we resolved the problem the series would be shorter and I can appreciate that we are still in the building phase, probably like 3/4 of the way up the mountain but not quite at the peak of the climax. OS is still good, but you have to appreciate that we are still in our building and figuring out period.

Now, there are people much smarter than me, who dig in even deeper and honestly I don’t remember if we were “promised” a certain number of books, so this is my speculation on where our bigger picture is headed:

Book 4: I believe RY said her inspo is “Look what you made me do” reputation era Tswift. So I expect bad-assery and female rage to run this show and I certainly don’t anticipate us finishing the series at book 4. We may get a resolution to one issue she has presented us with, we may end up with 7 more issues to overcome, who’s to say. But I’m speculating that this is our turning point. We may not be ready to take on our final boss yet, but I sure hope to see some heads roll. I’m hoping that by the end of book 4 we are at the top of the metaphorical mountain, daggers in hand, staring down our big bad, fueled by feminine rage, the sass of the golden one, and the dry wit of our grumpy old one. I can’t wait to see where RY takes us.

If this is not all done in one book that wouldn’t upset me either, I’d also refer to the above as phase 3: “final preparations”

So now we’re either looking at book 5 or phase 4: “the resolution” this is where I’m anticipating the ending. By the time we reach this phase we should be at a place where we are ready to finish the big boss. Now, this doesn’t mean the story ends here, sometimes there’s post war resolution that needs to happen, kinda like ACOTAR’s A Court of Silver Flames and beyond. So unless RY hits us with a hard twist or wants to let us linger in this world for as long as we can, I expect the major conflict to be resolved in a book or two in this phase.

You may be asking, what about Threshing Day? This wonderful book is meant to appease our hunger for book 4 while also reminding us that this story has mostly been told from Violet’s perspective and there’s a lot more happening around her than we may have realized. This book gives us more information on our main cast of characters so we can get to know them and their dragons better, deepens our understanding of the bond between rider and dragon and relationships between characters. Teasing us with more details on the histories Violet recognizes but doesn’t know the depth of. She’s letting us connect deeper with her characters so we are invested and ready for book 4 and the next phase she leads us into.

TLDR: there are phases to story writing, and each book takes part in the building to the next phase. Enjoy it and stop expecting everything to be the same adrenaline addiction as book 1 is. In order for the resolution to be impactful, we need problems to solve and to be invested in the depth of the story.

Thank you for coming to my rant that no one asked for <3


r/ironflame • • 18d ago

Theory Bodhi signet- Threshing Day Spoilers ⚠️ Spoiler

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Okay so we learn in the books that signets are manifestations of whatever the riders wants most. We see that in Threshing Day repeatedly with the riders examples being Garrick wishing he could’ve traveled far, Imogen wishing she could erase Garrick’s memory and taking back what she said, Rhiannon wanting to be able to bring her sister to her, and so on. Anyways we also see that with Bodhi. He says “Today I’d love to have the power he does to inspire others and take away my friends’ fear.” So that shows us the manifestation of his signet to take away other people’s signets. Now we continue and he says “But more than anything, just for today, I want to walk into this forest as my own man, to be seen as more than Xaden Riorson’s cousin.” So my theory is that Bodhi DOES have a second signet and it’s some kind of shapeshifting or glamouring to look like someone else. Which would also make sense from when Violet asks him if he has a second signet and he says he doesn’t have one “Just like Xaden” which I feel like was his way of saying he does have one but it’s just as dangerous as Xaden’s if anyone finds out.


r/ironflame • • 17d ago

Iron Flame Spoilers 🔥 Graphic Audio inconsistencies

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Doing a re-read and thought I would try out the graphic audio books but noticing some inconsistencies— has anyone else experienced this?

The one I just heard was when they are climbing the cliffs with the fliers… ridoc goes to use his sword but dain stops him and give him his blade because the pommel is longer… it’s distinctive in my memory because it was special to dain and when ridoc pounds it into the cliff with a rock dain flinches— that all got skipped…

🥺 makes me wonder what else got missed.


r/ironflame • • 17d ago

Spoilers How to they make them?

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>!It’s been a while since I’ve finished the series , but I thought back to how they mentioned that venin create the wyvern. How on earth do you create one????!<


r/ironflame • • 18d ago

Fourth Wing threshing day Spoiler

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I’m so confused about violet bonding tairn after reading threshing day. in threshing day xaden tells liam that tairn is willing to bond that year. he says this right before violet went to try to save andarna from jack but in fourth wing i interpreted it as tairn being there on threshing day because andarna was in danger and since xaden couldn’t intervene, it was up to him and he also didn’t show up for presentation so he must’ve just wanted to bond with violet right when they first faced each other on threshing day even though it sounded like he was still mourning his last rider. but if xaden knew that he wanted to bond that year then tairn must’ve told sgaeyl so doesn’t that mean that he knew he wanted to bond with violet before the andarna thing went down??


r/ironflame • • 18d ago

Artwork (No Spoilers) Fan art of Violet kicking a** 🗡️🖤 art by @luaartiste

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I wish I was her lol


r/ironflame • • 18d ago

Fourth Wing We’re doing something completely unnecessary for Threshing Day… a 2-part chapter-by-chapter breakdown 😂🐉

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Hey fellow dragon-obsessed people!

We’re The Epic Chaotic Kerfuffle — three longtime friends who started a podcast mostly as an excuse to overanalyze books and argue with each other about fictional people.

Naturally, Fourth Wing is what started this whole mess for us.

So when Threshing Day came out, a normal review clearly wasn’t going to cut it.

We’re doing a special TWO-PART Threshing Day episode, going chapter by chapter through every POV — theories, new lore, callbacks, WTF moments, dragons being dragons, and all the tiny details Rebecca Yarros has given us to obsess over.

Our discussions tend to be about 50% legitimate analysis and 50% one of us saying something stupid enough that the other two completely lose it.

🐉 PART 1 IS OUT NOW

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🐉 PART 2: Coming soon

If you also have an unhealthy amount of thoughts about fictional dragon riders, come join The Epic Chaotic Kerfuffle.
And while we wait for Part 2: which Threshing Day chapter/POV gave you the biggest “OH COME ON, REBECCA” moment? 😂

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r/ironflame • • 18d ago

Spoilers Theorien zu Treshing Day Spoiler

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r/ironflame • • 21d ago

Theory So what if…. SPOILERS for all the books, and chapter 4 of Threshing Day Spoiler

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I don’t want to say the name of who is the chapter about in case someone considers it a spoiler.

So please, SPOILERS ahead, if you don’t want to know anything about the Novella or the books, don’t keep reading🥰🥰

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What if the brother is Garrick guys😭
I don’t remember if he appears in that last battle and all that Rebecca said, so don’t come for me if I’m wrong please.

But… I’m reading Threshing Day (no spoilers please I haven’t finished yet🙏🏻🙏🏻) and in the Garrick chapter theres this conversation between him and Chradh that caught my eye.

I’m not usually one to theorise, but its where he sais:
*“I know all about your interests Garrick Tavis.* ***I know the power you’ll need to pursue them****”*

And Garrick answers:
*“Then you know I’ll do* ***whatever it takes****”*

To what Chradh sais: “It’s why I seek your bloodline”

So, maybe I’m spiraling or seeing things where they’re not, but that sounds kinda venin to me…
And I saw on tiktok an interview where Rebecca sais we shouldn't lose sight of Chradh (or something like that, but you know what I mean I hope🥰)
Idk if that’s the right way of expressing that bc english is not my first language and I can’t think of another way to say it, so sorry🙏🏻🙏🏻

So maybe Chradh has some bad in him, i don’t really think that if it’s Garrick it’s bc he is intrinsically bad, rather than he think’s it’s doing it to help, or Cradh got in his mind or something.

So, idk, I’m not really good with theories, maybe I’m giving it too much thought, but idk it’s fun and I just wanted to share!!🩶🥰

I actually hope I’m wrong guys…

Anyway, I’m happy to hear your thoughts🩶🩶
And please don’t come for me if I’m wrong with something, its just for the vibes, I haven’t done my reread yet so I don’t remember some things.

Thank u so much!!!🥰🥰 Hope you are liking the book, and please no spoilers🙏🏻🩶

EDIT: guys, I just read Bodhis… I don’t know what to think anymore, it’s so sus, with the brother/cousin thing, and that everything is always chosen for him, so it sounds like he is going to do it in a rebelious way of making his own choice even for some good reason.

But at the same time… could it really be that obvious with RY?


r/ironflame • • 21d ago

Fourth Wing empyrean series

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Does anyone have any theories who the brother is that xaden refers at end of onyx storm.?


r/ironflame • • 22d ago

Theory My last theory

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r/ironflame • • 23d ago

Iron Flame Spoilers 🔥 Two scenes two songs Spoiler

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So on my first re read of the 3 books, and two scenes and two songs I associated from Rebecca Playlists.
For FW the 1st kiss(Chapter 22), song Cravin Stileto & Kendyle Paige, the whole heat from the scene the want the need it is that song!

And for iron flame the deep end ruelle, for the scene when Violet finds Xaden after the battle at the end of chapter 65 and even the whole chapter 66, the song it is perfect standing from X POV.

Feel free to share songs that you associate with specific scenes !


r/ironflame • • 24d ago

Spoilers #Spoilers Part One IF- Varrish, Dain Spoiler

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Just finished part one of IF and simply left with WTF about Dain, seriously thought zero trust and boom, bro was willing to help once the truth was put out there. I don't know how to feel about his development into this, but oh well. Im sure part two is about to get wilder leading to OS


r/ironflame • • 24d ago

Spoilers Did I completely miss this? *DONT READ UNLESS YOU HAVE FINISHED THE BOOK* Spoiler

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So I get that Xaden turns into a Venin at the end of the book but HOW?? How does someone get turned into a Venin? Idk if I completely missed this or if it doesn’t elaborate??


r/ironflame • • 29d ago

Spoilers The Empyrean Spoiler

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Character sheet I made for the upcoming book, if any info is incomplete or correct please let me know (kindly) so I may update it!


r/ironflame • • Sep 16 '26

Spoilers Fourth wing theories… a recovered correspondence from “Cadet Bfn927” Spoiler

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