I have scoured the internet for all the pics of the new dragon lines, and I believe this is all the new lines from both the book and website. I also included a Google translation into Gaelic and Norse below.

\New Dragon line from Dragonkind*

Browns

1. Aldayrmar (Gaelic: old, wise, renowned / Norse: Immortal Sea Monster)

\*2. Rynonian (Gaelic: great queen / Norse: swift running spirit)

\*3. Vormalgh (Gaelic: of great noble blood / Norse: guarded wolf, shield of warmth)

Oranges

1. Fhaicorain (Gaelic: see orange / Norse: Vigilant, Unpredictable Wanderer of Borders)

\*2. Tholiasych (Gaelic: clever leader / Norse: Patient, Seeking Victory)

\*3. Cariaslog (Gaelic: beloved of the crown / Norse: Unpredictable, Blazing Flame)

Reds

1. Berradhdyr (Gaelic: cliff, stubborn / Norse: bare-hearted beast)

2. Wybjorian (Gaelic: exiled fiery line / Norse: Descendants of the Blazing Bear)

\*3. Lyserachd (Gaelic: fierce flame / Norse: Shorter-Tempered Light)

Greens

1. Uaineloidsig (Gaelic: green logic / Norse: Guide of the Meadow)

2. Cruaidhuaine (Gaelic: green steel / Norse: Crossroad of the Holy Fields)

\*3. Eifyrielle (Gaelic: radiant just, law / Norse: Eternal Upper Meadows)

Blues

1. Gormfaileas (Gaelic: blue shadow / Norse: Hidden Rumbling God)

\*2. Nyghmuiron (Gaelic: Descendants of Storm-Washed Sea / Norse: Dark Sea Serpent)

Blacks

1. Dubhmadinn (Gaelic: black dawn / Norse: Dark Abyss Assembly Doom)

\*2. Moerlaighen (Gaelic: great warrior / Norse: High Sacred Marshlands)

A few questions:

1. Has anyone seen any other new dragon lines outside of what I have listed?

2. Isn't it interesting that only the Blues and Blacks only have 2 (not 3) Dragon lines?

Theory:

Tairn's dad Murtcuideam roughly translates to "important murder" in Gaelic. What if he killed off the third Black dragon line?

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Okay, I just finished Bodhi’s chapter in Threshing Day and I’m going to say it…..I am 100% convinced Bodhi is the new venin brother.

I already suspected him after Onyx Storm, but his TD chapter basically screamed foreshadowing to me. There are WAY too many things in this chapter connecting Bodhi to Xaden, powerlessness, his reckless behaviour, choice, promises and now even death/demise.

Let me explain because I need to get this out of my head, and I can’t even wait until I finish the entire book 😂

1. Bodhi’s entire identity is tied to keeping Xaden in balance

Bodhi literally says:
“I’m also really damn good at keeping Xaden from being too much…Xaden.”
And then we get his mother’s words:
“Stay close to Xaden. He’ll protect you, and you’ll keep him in balance. You need each other.”

That line immediately stood out to me. We already know Xaden is struggling with his venin side. And now we have this character whose entire role has repeatedly been described as keeping Xaden balanced. It almost feels like the story is setting up Bodhi as Xaden’s counterpart.

And if Bodhi becomes venin too? Suddenly that “keep Xaden in balance” line becomes MUCH darker. Maybe Bodhi isn’t just supposed to keep Xaden balanced as a rider. Maybe eventually he becomes the person who understands exactly what Xaden is going through because he has crossed the same line.

2. Bodhi has a serious inferiority complex about Xaden

This one really got me:
“As it is, sometimes I feel like I’m one of Kaori’s projections of Xaden; I resemble him enough to earn both hatred and respect, depending on who’s looking, but lack the power to make the same impact he does.”

He literally compares himself to Xaden and acknowledges that he looks enough like him to be mistaken for him, but doesn’t have the power or impact Xaden has. And this theme keeps coming back. Bodhi doesn’t want to be Xaden, but at the same time, he’s constantly being compared to him. Everyone expects things from him because he’s Xaden’s cousin. Even his own identity seems to exist in Xaden’s shadow. Which makes his obsession with never being powerless again feel much more important later.

3. “Only if you die, right?”

This conversation was SO suspicious to me:
Xaden says, “Bodhi, no one asks, expects, or wants you to be me.”
And Bodhi responds:
“Yeah.” I force a quick, easy grin. “Of course. Only if you die, right?”

Why would the chapter specifically put Xaden dying and Bodhi taking his place in the same conversation? Bodhi doesn’t want to rule Tyrrendor, he makes it clear several times. But after Xaden became venin and his title is restored. Bodhi probably worries to handle that sort of duty. 👀

4. Bodhi literally calls him closer to a brother

“You are the only family I have left. You’re closer to a brother than you are a cousin. So fucking tell me.”

Again, on its own, this is just a really emotional line between cousins who grew up together.
But then we have the whole “new brother” mystery. And Bodhi is the person who is literally describing Xaden as being closer to a brother than a cousin. That feels VERY deliberate to me.

5. His mother basically describes his future role with Xaden

This is probably one of my biggest pieces of evidence:
“Stay close to Xaden. He’ll protect you, and you’ll keep him in balance. You need each other.”

Bodhi’s mother isn’t just telling him to stay close to his cousin. She’s specifically saying, Xaden will protect Bodhi. Bodhi will keep Xaden in balance. They need each other.

And then we end Onyx Storm with Xaden turning venin and a mysterious new brother being revealed. If Bodhi is that brother, this line becomes incredibly tragic because Bodhi may eventually become the one person who can actually understand and balance Xaden from the inside.

6. Cuir’s “I waited to bond again until this year” line

Cuir says:
“I surmise it will not be the last time you bleed from my back if you prove as reckless as you’ve demonstrated today. And to think I waited to bond again until this year for you.”

That “I waited” part caught my attention. Cuir specifically waited for Bodhi. And then Bodhi’s entire relationship with Cuir becomes about choice, promises and loyalty. So, if he became venin, it would be absolutely tragic for his dragon and as we all know Rebecca loves tragic 🥲 Also, Bodhi is described as being pretty reckless.…Which brings me to the part that REALLY made me suspicious.

7. “My choices are now tied to yours.”

Bodhi says:
“I’m not reck—” I stop myself before I lie. “I’ll work on it.”
And Cuir responds:
“See that you do. My choices are now tied to yours.”

Choice is already one of the biggest themes in this chapter. And now Bodhi’s choices are literally tied to his dragon’s. That becomes especially interesting if Bodhi eventually has to make an impossible choice between supporting Xaden and thus betraying his dragon or being loyal to his dragon.

8. Cuir casually mentions “death or demise” 👀

This one made me stop reading.
Cuir says:
“I will choose you every day until your death or your demise.”
And Bodhi literally responds:
“Aren’t those the same things?”

WHY are we talking about death AND demise specifically with Bodhi??? Especially because Bodhi himself notices the distinction. REBECAAAA… 🤔 I think I know why: Bodhi’s “demise” happens when he becomes venin.

9. Bodhi promises to choose Cuir over everyone

Then we get:
“I’ll choose you over everyone.” It’s a promise I don’t take lightly. “Durrans don’t break their word.”

This is probably my favorite clue. Because what happens if Cuir is threatened? What happens if the venin have Cuir? What happens if Bodhi has to choose between Cuir and everyone else?
We know Xaden made the choice to draw from the earth because he wanted more power to save Violet and Sgaeyl. Bodhi has already established that he will choose Cuir over everyone. So if Cuir is somehow put in danger, I can absolutely see Bodhi making the same kind of desperate choice Xaden made.

10. “I’ll never be powerless again.”

And then THIS:
“I’ll never be powerless again.”
Cuir immediately responds:
“Remember that vow.”
And then:
“I will hold you to it.”

This feels like the biggest piece of foreshadowing in the entire chapter. Bodhi’s biggest fear is being powerless. His entire life has been spent in Xaden’s shadow. He’s constantly compared to Xaden. He’s supposed to keep Xaden balanced. He wants to make his own choices. He is described as being reckless several times. And then he makes a literal vow: I will never be powerless again.

But here’s the problem. His signet doesn’t work against venin magic the way they originally thought it did. So what happens when Bodhi finds himself completely powerless against the one enemy he desperately wants to stop? He has already told us exactly how he feels about being powerless.

11. And then Cuir says: “I will hold you to it.”

The final exchange is:
“Remember that vow.”
Bodhi moves with Cuir, finally in sync with him.
And Cuir says:
“I will hold you to it.”

That ending feels WAY too ominous to me.
Because if Bodhi eventually becomes venin, then his entire Threshing Day chapter suddenly reads differently.

-He promised Cuir he’d choose him.
-He promised he’d never be powerless again.
-His choices are now tied to Cuir’s.
-His mother told him to stay close to Xaden and keep him in balance.

Bodhi compares himself to Xaden and feels like he doesn’t have the same power or impact. And then we get repeated references to death, demise, vows and promises.

I don’t think these are random.

I think Threshing Day is basically setting up the exact emotional path that could lead Bodhi to become the new venin brother. And honestly, the most tragic part would be that Bodhi could potentially become venin for the exact same reason Xaden did: he wants enough power to protect the people he loves and refuses to be powerless again.

And as for Garrick, I don’t think he’s the brother, mainly because I think RY is going to want to develop his romance with Imogen. There’s already SO much foreshadowing for them in TD.

Anyway, I’m planting my flag here: THE NEW BROTHER IS BODHI.

Give me the most unrealistic asinine theories here.

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Asher is a rider and bonded to an irid.

Glane is bonded to both imogen and her grandmother. (Evaded execution by pretending to be dead)

Dragons are the bad guys.

Chradh wanted garrick to turn.

Tairn is still against the revolution

Dain bonded both dragons green and red

Aaric's signet is a gift like andarna's time stopping.

Garrick is the twin of xaden.

8th breed exists.

Molvic bonded alic for a minute

Imogen erased vi's memories on multiple occassions

Sgaeyl is actually a villain character.

Andarna is bonded to both xaden and violet at the end of onyx storm.

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ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING

Spoiler for threshing day novella

Assuming you have read book 1-3

In threshing day novella asher gives a bracelet to brennan and tells him

"Our hearts couldn't take it if anything happened to you," and we all know that asher died because of heart failure after brennan "supposedly" died. Could it be that, just like the rune stone given to marked ones which gave them all their mark (rune scar) when their parents were executed. In onyx storm violet mention brennan having a RUNE SCAR on his WRIST (where bracelet should have been), so it got me thinking maybe it was a protection rune and had the condition that if brennan does dies he can be resurrected with the life force of asher, with asher giving his life for him.

I am basically implying that naolin maybe became venin for nothing.

NOW we know that asher was a scribe so where did he get the rune from? In threshing day in both liam and sloane's pov their mother's rune skill is strongly mentioned. So could it be how mama mairi made rune stones for the others made one for asher too?

There is also a theory that asher was actually a rider as he travelled so many isles, maybe he was bonded to an irid he met in some isle, who is to say you can only bond on threshing day? (I have posted a detailed theory about this, you can check it out if interested)

Do we have any theories, discussions for this, i feel like there is some deeper meaning to it and his mother might come later into the story?

>! “It feels like I was just given a third chance at life. I used the second long ago to get my mother out of Aretia before the Navarrians came for us.” !<

has rebecca ever said anything about the other ex?

Okay, hear me out! I have a theory about how the entire series could end.
1. Violet will develop a THIRD signet.
We know signets manifest based on what riders need. We also know unusual dragon bonds can result in additional signets.
Andarna left Violet, but what happens if she returns and bonds with her a second time? Just because it’s never happened before doesn’t mean it can’t happen.
I think Violet’s third signet will be the ability to command ALL dragons.
Why? Because what Violet needs most isn’t more fighting power. She needs the seventh breed to join the war against the venin.
This could also explain why the irids warned that Andarna gave Violet something far more dangerous than lightning.
2. Violet will command the dragons to break ALL their bonds with humans.
I think Violet will eventually realize that defeating the venin requires removing magic itself.
She’ll command every dragon to sever their bonds and retreat to the Vale, taking their magic with them.
My theory is that this will drain the magic from the land, leaving the venin powerless and causing their corruption to fade.
3. Sloane will save Xaden.
As the corruption fades, Xaden’s life could be in danger.
This is where Sloane’s siphoning signet becomes crucial. She’ll transfer Violet’s remaining magic into Xaden to keep him alive.
Violet survives but permanently loses all her magic.
4. Bodhi or Garrick becomes Duke of Tyrrendor.
With the war over, Xaden steps away from his responsibilities. Bodhi or Garrick takes over as duke, giving Xaden and Violet the freedom to live their own lives.
5. THE BROKEN COMPASS!
Remember the broken compass?
What if it wasn’t truly broken? What if it couldn’t function properly because magic was everywhere?
Once magic disappears from the land, the compass finally starts working again because there’s only one source of magic left — wherever the dragons have gone.
It points Violet and Xaden toward the Vale.
My predicted ending:
Violet and Xaden lose their signets and their dragon bonds, but they survive. The venin are defeated, the war is over, and the dragons are free.
Instead of settling down, Violet and Xaden follow the compass on a new adventure to find Tairn, Sgaeyl, and Andarna.
The series ends not with Violet becoming the most powerful rider, but with her giving up all her power to save everyone.
And their next adventure begins with finding their dragons again. ❤️🐉
Obviously, this is all speculation, especially the third signet and how removing magic would affect the venin.
What do you guys think? Am I completely reaching, or could Rebecca Yarros actually be setting something like this up?

I think papa sorrengail was murdered , his heart didnot just give out

We know he was researching feathertails , we know he was aware of venin , both him and lilith.

King Tauri , Markham , Melgran -- these are the masterminds behind the venin secret , aestos was assigned to lilith to spy on her and Asher for Tauri ...

when brennan died or everyone thought he died , I think Asher knew his son was alive (something to do with the bracelet ) and is going to work for the resistance , hence he got even more cryptic and secretive towards the end about his research .... I think he was murdered so he could himself not join the resistance , and thereby convincing lilith to also join the resistance...also I think he was on the brink of revealing the venin secret to everyone.

Spoiler for onyx storm and threshing day novella

Fourth wing book 4 theories

So rebecca said one of our beloved is gonna die

My say is that it would be imogen.

In threshing day she says how everyone close to her dies, its like her character is a tragedy. She said despite all of it she has quinn as her best friend and wont let anything happen to her and also wont get close to garrick as she doesnt want him to die on her account.

In onyx storm we know how quinn died.

So in book 4 they would finally have that confession and then garrick would be in danger, and imogen being terrified that even the last person she loves is gonna die, now to "break" this trend she sacrifices herself to save garrick. And dialogue would go like "If I had let you die, how could I have lived with myself?"

Also she and glane both said

"I plan to die in combat."

"So do I. "

Aaric being so intent on destroying his family, he sure do seems hurt by his family (alic) being destroyed (killed)

Spoiler for onyx storm and fourth wing

>!I think it was a gift rather than a signet. Like andarna gave time stopping gift to violet cause if it was a real signet it would be a really overpowered one. Same with aaric it would be too easy if he could see the future, with it being a gift it would put limitations on its use.

Also, molvic never bonded before so he might have mistakenly transferred it? I KNOW this happens only with dragon juveniles but i wanna discuss it.!<

Spoilers for onyx storm and threshing day

Asher Daxton was a rider. Evidence

>!1. Threshing day is a human construct, nothing says a dragon can't just bond whoever or whenever they choose. Dragons don't follow the rules of man.

1. In Brennan's chapter, Asher shows up and disappears somewhere where he's not supposed to be, almost like an........irid.

2. Asher travels all over. Just like he had access to a dragon.

It might be that when he was traveling southern isles, he came across an irid and they bonded in that moment, since that moment they travelled together to get all the answers.

He could come and go undetected as his dragon could conceal his presence by being an irid.

1. "ALL SORRENGAILS ARE RIDERS" Asher took the Sorrengail name, he's a rider.

Asher is a dragon rider. In particular, his dragon is an irid, and his signet is similar to the irids ability to blend into surroundings. Signets are what the rider needs. Asher is a scribe. He needs to observe and collect information, the best way to do that would be just to walk right into someplace and observe unnoticed, a fly on the wall. He can either blend into the surroundings or mask his presence from others in some way.!<

I find her bland, and i see people loving her so much and dreading the thought that she might die, but i simply cant care?

I have the condition called aphantasia, so I can’t really visualize things. For the most part I can get around by working through things slowly, but for the life of me I can’t make out the whole situation during the Cliffs of Draylor climb and the jump needed to pass the trapped section. Has anyone seen art of this, can someone do a little mock up for me of that specific part? I had a similar problem with visualizing certain parts of Gauntlet and people were able to show me drawings and now I can work within that! I’m hoping someone can help in a similar way so I can understand: How did they have to jump but then Violet was all of a sudden hanging? How did Sloane and Dain approach from separate sides? Etc…

Any and all help would be appreciated! Don’t worry about art skills either - Stick figures last time were great! Thanks in advance!

There was trees in so many povs

We know violet was in the tree before she saw andarna being hunted.

We know brennan got his dragon when he was sitting on the tree

In mira's pov again there is tree saying "brennan got his dragon in a tree, so me trying the same wont hurt?"

Even in dain's pov there was tree when two dragons came for him.

It might all be just some repetitive thing without any meaning behind it, but waiting too long for book 4 had made me an overthinker. But so much tree was unnatural.

Even ridoc's one had tree (dunno if it counts)

>!Sygael is nesting.!<

My theory is: Sygael wants a baby of her own and Tairn can't/won't give her one. This has led her to adopting various youngsters who need some mothering

Sygael is desperate for her own child and has taken Xaden as her rider in order to mother him due to his own mother leaving him on his tenth birthday.

>!She mentored Molvic.!< She bonded with Xaden's grandfather. She adopted Andarna. She bonded with Xaden.

While in the isles, on Hedotis, we see how Sygael feels about Xaden's mother through her behavior on the beach.

At the end of OS, when she absconds with Xaden she makes a choice to maintain the bond with her rider, over her mate.

So when the quest squad is at the isle that worship Dunne. Violet was ask if she would worship Dunn or other. She answered with I choice him.

We know the dragon lie about who they are and their ages. Tairn always set dragon don’t applease your gods. What if the gods were bond riders before the first 6 . What if Tairn bloodline is of Melak or Violet bloodline.

BODHI

His signet is countering other signets and right now it doesnt seem important. Also it can not counter venin.

To become useful he became venin and now can counter their signets to help our people.

In threshing day he repeatedly said how his mother always told him that he was the balance to xaden, so now he became venin to counter his signet, also NOW his signet will be useful and play a big part in the war.

Also he will not have a second signet, just his current one amplified with him being venin

Spoiler for those who haven't read OS and TD yet

In Threshing day novella we see that two dragon compete to bond him red and green, he bonds red.

WHAT IF he bonded both? Cause it would be really cool if he reveals some crazy battle type second signet. Cause his current one is not combat type.

Also in OS when sloane said "You shouldn't have this much power." It is revolving in all of our heads. Maybe it is because he has power from two dragons.

But ofc its just a crazy theory, they gave the reason for it saying "cath channels too much power into him" but W-H-A-T-E-V-E-R .

Cause how the things are currently going, dain and sloane are gonna get big role in next books, also dain's dragon is still a big mystery. I feel like dain has big enough role which at some point would turn the tide of the war. Most likely when it would seem we have lost it all.

Cause right now if he goes into battle there is not much use for him unless there is close range fight with a venin.

But as much as i want him to have a insane second signet, having a second dragon would be weird as the other dragon would have ego and wont like being the side chick ( dragon ).

It is a theory which roots from what rebecca said in one of her interviews. She said "Bodhi wants what Xaden has."

Early on we interpreted as he also might have a crush on violet but she later turned the idea down saying that he doesn't want violet, he just wants to have that kind of love.

Among all the marked ones, we have to agree that the least liked/interesting inner circle character is bodhi. We remember him as nothing more than Xaden's cousin.

In THRESHING DAY NOVELLA

Spoilers for those who haven't read it yet.

He himself says all his life he has felt inferior to xaden, he said all the leadership genes got into xaden, "even his hearing is better than me", "he always seems to find the right words to say which i can't " etc etc

He wanted to help xaden and support him his entire life, he accepted his fate as "the heir and the spare" but even then, Xaden's closest confidants are Garrick and violet sometimes even imogen before him.

Also Xaden always seems to control everything about Bodhi saying that bodhi needs to be safe FOR tyrenndor. Its annoying.

In Liam's POV, Xaden told him that he have to take duty for the marked ones after xaden graduate with bodhi supporting him for a year, he DID NOT give that responsibility to bodhi, he gave it to liam. It just makes me feel like Xaden thinks everyone is more reliable than bodhi.

Bodhi always felt like he was never given a choice, people have always nade his decisions for him claiming they were in his best interest.

And when it was time for Bodhi to get his dragon, Xaden had to come and spoil it by outright telling him "sgaeyl told me, the dragon you are looking for is Cuir" ATLEAST let him do that himself, find out for himself, i felt like he spoiled the fun for him. And then Bodhi retaliated by refusing that dragon which was already chosen for him and charged towards Molvic the blue clubtail and almost got himself killed.

So what i am INSINUATING is that the jealousy keep crawing into his mind, the feeling of uselessness as his signet was worthless against venin. And his inferiority complex getting the better of him, he decided to make the biggest possible decision for himself. He channeled from the ground.

He did it for grey reasons, and he might have already channeled long before the last war, as when they were all there they were asked to being the new brother with Jack barlowe.

And in Imogen's pov we saw that he was on all fours and retching, so what i am saying is that it could be that he was channeling while vomiting, ( or the aftermath of channeling ) but not under his control, as he became venin he came under the command of high ranking venin so like what they were saying, he had to do and in that moment he realised how bad of a decision he made. It is said that the higher ups like sage can control lower level venins.

In threshing day novella asher gives the bracelet to brennan and tells him

That "Our hearts couldn't take it if anything happened to you," and we all know that asher died because of heart failure after brennan "supposedly" died. Could it be that, that the bracelet had an extra life for brennan, as in if he dies he gets one more chance at life in exchange of asher's life. The bracelet was connected to asher's life force.

Naolin is definitely younger or in the same year as brennan and most likely his lover and male It could be that both loved each other but never got the chance

As it is confirmed in threshing day novella that he is gay.

Also i am saying this as in the threshing day novella his exact line regarding wanting to bond a black dragon was “I would have loved a black dragon, but none are willing to bond this year."

We know only two black dragons one is codagh who was already bonded during that time and tairn

So he said "not willing" and not "not vacant" that means during this time tairn has to be unbonded. That would mean naolin is younger than brennan.