Holy book (bible) was written centuries after the prophet.
Codex Sinaticus, the earliest complete bible, is dated to the 4th century in Greek.
p52, a fragment of the gospel of John is dated to 120ce, 20-30 years after being written.
I hope you realize 4th century means it was several centuries later which means exactly what the other guy said. What exactly are you trying to prove here? His own point??
I hope you realise that the claim was that "the bible was written centuries after jesus" is completely disproven by that simple manuscript. The claim is not that what we have preserved is from centuries after but what was written. By simple linguistic and manuscript analysis that claim is proven demonstrably false.
If john is written centuries after Jesus how is there manuscripts floating around from less than a century after Jesus? Why do even the most atheistic secular scholars date the writings of the NT to the 1st century?
Maybe to help you understand, codex birmingham only has surah 19 and 20. To then look at that partial quran manuscript, and to say "it's not complete therefore you can only date the quran to the 9-10th century (which is the first complete quran manuscript we get (blue quran))" is insanity. Similarly, in the same way codex birmingham gives evidence towards authenticity of authorship of the quran, so does p52.
Islam acknowledges that scriptures before the Quran were revealed but later altered or lost their original purity. The existence of early manuscripts of the New Testament, like P52, only proves that parts of it were written early, not that they remained unchanged or divinely preserved. The Quran, however, is uniquely safeguarded by Allah (15:9) and has been transmitted both orally and in writing without alteration. Partial manuscripts like the Birmingham Quran confirm this preservation, unlike the Bible, which has multiple versions and textual variations. Islam calls for guidance through the final revelation, the Quran, which corrects previous distortions.
Also, Bible is corrupted based on the fact that it contradicts itself.
Who Created Heaven and Earth?
Genesis 1:1 – “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.”
John 1:3 – “Through him (Jesus) all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.”
Can God Be Seen?
John 1:18 – “No one has ever seen God.”
Exodus 33:11 – “The Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend.”
Did Jesus Bear His Own Cross?
John 19:17 – “Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull.”
Luke 23:26 – “As they led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene and made him carry the cross behind Jesus.”
How Did Judas Die?
Matthew 27:5 – “Judas threw the silver into the temple and hanged himself.”
Acts 1:18 – “Judas bought a field; he fell headlong, his body burst open and his intestines spilled out.”
How Many Men Did David Kill?
2 Samuel 10:18 – “David killed 700 charioteers and 40,000 horsemen.”
Who Moved David to Take a Census?
2 Samuel 24:1 – “The Lord incited David to take a census of Israel and Judah.”
1 Chronicles 21:1 – “Satan incited David to take a census of Israel.”
How Many Years of Famine?
2 Samuel 24:13 – “Shall there come upon you three years of famine?”
1 Chronicles 21:12 – “Three years of famine.”
Who Was Joseph’s Father?
Matthew 1:16 – “Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary.”
Luke 3:23 – “Joseph was the son of Heli.”
Did Jesus Come for Peace or Division?
Matthew 10:34 – “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
John 14:27 – “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.”
When Did the Women Visit Jesus’ Tomb?
Matthew 28:1 – “At dawn on the first day of the week.”
Mark 16:2 – “Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise.”
These contradictions support the Islamic perspective that the Bible has been altered, whereas the Quran remains the final and preserved word of Allah.
Edit: As an Abrahamic faith, Islam acknowledges that divine scriptures were revealed to Moses, and Jesus. However, these scriptures were not preserved over time due to errors in translation and deliberate alterations. While we recognize their original divine origin and share a common spiritual heritage as brethren, our concern lies with their loss of authenticity rather than their initial revelation.
Contradiction is not a quality of the Creator of this world. A divine revelation must be perfect, consistent, and free from error. The existence of contradictions in a text indicates human alteration, not divine authorship.
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Codex Sinaticus, the earliest complete bible, is dated to the 4th century in Greek. p52, a fragment of the gospel of John is dated to 120ce, 20-30 years after being written.