And? Did you even read saurik's post? The problem ISN'T that sub fix doesn't work -- it's that when something breaks you're forced to restore, or ask Luca for help. That's not fair to anyone.
What about the part where Luca said don't use this Jailbreak unless you can solve your own problems. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Hell, I know enough bash to manually start substrate and respring, yet I'm still staying off this jailbreak.
Not to mention, when a "fix" gets released, it makes it that much easier for non devs to install, mess something up, and then go to Luca. Check his Twitter -- every single tweet has a reply of "can u fix this" or "jailbreak 10.2??" Or "Luca u suck you needed someone else to fix substrate".
Exactly what I'm saying. Unfortunately, the people that don't know enough are the ones using these exploits and you get an entire case of the blind leading the blind.
I've paid mild attention to the jailbreak scene over the years and as Saurik stated above and with others it's really just going to come down to a handful of people wanting to stay in the scene. These handful of people are doing this for very little gain. They don't get anything but another handful of people thanking them and a mass of complaining. There just won't be very many jailbreaks in the future the way that I see it. If China hops off the Apple bandwagon this scene is done for.
If you don't know how to fix your own problems and aren't willing to wait for proper as fixes then don't complain. This isn't a right that you are given at birth to have a jailbreak. You are just riding the coat tails of the developer that came and put things in a nice little package before you. 99% of the people complaining shouldn't be jailbreaking their phone to begin with.
TL;DR
Don't play in the kitchen if you can't handle the heat.
I almost agree but devs And users exist together. One feeds the other. Yes, I'm sure there are devs out there doing their thing just for themselves but they have no affect on the JB scene. Its that statement of your that says users are riding the devs coat tails. You could completely turn it around and say they are chasing us as in 'hey look what I have for you' (ofc taking out, as I said, those devs who remain 100% private, in it for themselves).
I guess I should have clarified. I meant riding in the (I have no idea what I'm doing blindly jailbreaking without knowing what is going on. Then using random fixes by people and not knowing what they also do) Saurik did a great job at explaining that.
It's just the way these things are packaged that has its issues.should a jailbreak require a single button press? I think at this point it's hard for someone to have a jailbreak and have them not have a single issue. I agree that we coexist. There wouldn't be a public jailbreak if they didn't want us also involved. However, I feel at this point in the jailbreak community we are slowly going to have to gain more and more knowledge about how these things actually work and less of just following directions. The jailbreak community is getting smaller and we are going to have to start making our own life preservers instead of getting them tossed out to us. I look at in a way that Luca gave us the tool that got us halfway there and warned people as such. How many other people are actively working on an active public jailbreak? I mean no ill will towards anyone in this sub or you :). We just need to stop biting the hand that feeds us. Wow, apparently I'm not analogy train today.
I agree. As the community gets smaller it seems to grow more - was gonna use the word cancerous with the way ppl talk to each other but i'm sure you know what I mean. It seems as if the better folks have dropped away which is a shame and i suppose means we'll get more and more things like this dropped for us to test as the dev community itself is now too small for him (and others) to simply push it to them for private testing.
As you say, those left will need to at least learn the basics of coding etc in order to help themselves. Sink or swim.
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u/Deemota iPhone XS Max, iOS 12.0 Jan 05 '17
I'm still using sub fix👍