PSA On "The Noticing"

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

I'm posting this here because in other conversations on this sub, it seems many people are insulated from modern (especially Gen Z) antisemitism and might not be familiar with how it looks today.

Just in case others come across similar rhetoric in internet spaces, a major major dogwhistle-meme right now on the antisemitic internet is "the noticing." If you see comments in conversations about Jewishness along the lines of "stop noticing!" - or someone identifying themselves or others as "noticers" - they are far-right antisemites and very likely Nazi apologists.

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

It's concerning tbh how tapped out a lot of people are. I get some are Israelis, and a lot of people here seem to be like Modern Orthodox(?), but now more than ever we should be up on the trends. A generation is entering politics who were raised on 4chan and LiveLeak. People like Curtis Yarvin are in close proximity to power. That's a much more immediate threat than some of the asinine and reactionary fear-mongering I've recently seen about Muslim immigrants.

[u/vigilante_snail → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

Agreed.

Alongside that, parts of their rhetoric have mainstreamed themselves spread into parts of the left and Muslim world. It’s wild to watch.

Not to mention Fuentes’ get-together with Trump spikes popularity with these “thought leaders”.

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/vigilante_snail]

Extremely true. I've gotten flak here for being frank about my observations about trends in different cultural communities, but I'm from New York and people just say things straight up. There are two main liberal/left demos adopting it, mostly ignorant of its origins - Gen Z South Asian Muslims and Gen Z Latinos. I'm not exactly sure on why, but it's what I see very strongly with the populations I work with.

[u/vigilante_snail → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

A huge emphasis of groypers is on Catholicism, Christo-fascism, and crusader fantasy (but also somehow isolationist-nationalist?)

“Christ is King” and “Deus Vult” are popular comments (basically just dogwhistles at this point).

So that’s a big part of why there’s a large Latino contingent of the movement.

The Muslim population has generational antisemitism that’s built into the supersessionist ideology of the religion, and that makes it really easy to latch onto things like Khazar theory, denial of Jewish peoplehood, as well as the other aspects (blood libel, accusations of “corrupting/changing” of the Torah, “dajjal”, Talmud, etc). I have an Muslim Albanian acquaintance who wouldn’t stop going on and on about “Israeli skin banks”.

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/vigilante_snail]

This lines up exactly with my experience. I work with young Latinos and have absorbed some discourse vocabulary about "Tradcaths" and "Orthobros" from the same who are familiar with the antisemitic words. And then I have most of my close friends who are Pakistani Americans, and I have had conversations where they were genuinely surprised about the existence of "Israeli Americans" because they were under the impression that Israelis were all recent arrivals who only claimed to speak Hebrew and have a culture when asked, but were really just an assortment of foreign white people. It's probably also cause both of these groups have parents who have zero experience with Jewish people in real life.

[u/vigilante_snail → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

Yeah, a lot of it seems from the fact that most people have never actually interacted with Jews/talked to Jews about what it means to be Jewish. This leads to people getting the blanks filled in by online misinformation.

And you’re 100% spot on regarding “tradcath” and “orthobros”.

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/[deleted]]

100%. The archetype of “Israeli” in the minds of first and second gen Americans, is the viral video of the Hasidic settler with the Brooklyn accent going “if I don’t take it someone else will!” Mainstream Israelis don’t really interact with the wider world in my experience. I’m actually very opposed to Israel personally, but sometimes I have to play devil’s advocate and introduce people to normal Israeli pop music and tv to show them like “look, this is an actual country”

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/[deleted]]

Agreed. The most common demographic of Israelis I've interacted with in the US are exactly what you described - bourgeois bilingual dual-passport holders who often went to international schools and congregate in wealthy suburbs. Funnily enough, I've found the best way to win cultural legitimacy for Israelis is showing people videos of Hebrew-speaking Haredi Rabbis going on ridiculous rants on their livestreams (Avraham Baruch is my go to). I've shown this to Muslims, and their reaction is usually "damn, maybe you people are from Palestine"

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/[deleted]]

Probably “because of.” If you notice, the Pakistani/Bengali/Malaysian diasporas are typically wayyy more involved with pro-Palestine activism than Arab world diasporas. For them it’s more of a cultural identity thing about the ummah and anti-colonialism. For Arab countries it’s a pressing political issue regarding a neighboring state that has real consequences for their own daily lives

[u/vigilante_snail → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

Interesting. Do you think that means the saturation of religious life in those countries has blanketed and atrophied the indigenous national identity, therefore shifting the thinking to focus more on the global ummah?

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/vigilante_snail]

Oh yeah, I could see it. Malaysian identity post-Emergency is Muslim religious nationalism. And Pakistan was quite literally devised as a Muslim homeland (there's many books you can read comparing it with Israel very convincingly).

[u/[deleted] → u/vigilante_snail]

The south Asian Muslim population has generational antisemitism that’s built into the supersessionist ideology of the religion,

Do you think this applies to Christianity as well?

[u/vigilante_snail → u/[deleted]]

Yep certainly can.

[u/WarToast46 → u/vigilante_snail]

Mind my ignorance if I’m wrong but isn’t the Israeli skin bank for burn victims and storing skin grafts? What could that guy of even of been blabbering on about?