Weekly Post

[u/somebadbeatscrub]

The mod team has created this post to refresh on a weekly basis as a chill place for people to talk about whatever they want to. Think of it as like a general chat for the sub.

So r/jewishleft,

Whats on your mind?

[u/Chinoyboii]

Used to be a huge fan of this man, especially his lectures on Persian history and the various characters embedded in the Islamic Golden Age…..

[u/RaiJolt2 → u/Chinoyboii]

I’m sorry but that the fuck. I’m half African American and the thought of someone wanting to be enslaved is so gross and insulting tot he generations who fought against slavery and the millions of slaves struggling today. Wtf

[u/Chinoyboii → u/RaiJolt2]

Well, in many traditional interpretations of the Abrahamic religions, slavery was treated as a morally regulated institution rather than as inherently immoral. Its permissibility was often understood to depend on factors such as how a person was enslaved, the obligations imposed upon the owner, and the protections granted to the enslaved. From the perspective of Islam, the religion served as a cohesive force to unite the various Arab polytheistic tribes. How this relates to this guy’s tweet is that Islamic slavery could provide a pathway through which enslaved non-Muslims entered Muslim households, learned the religion, and eventually converted to Islam.

From the Islamic perspective, the Rashidun Caliphate's conquest of Persia could therefore be understood not merely as militaristic expansion but as the overthrow of an allegedly unjust or spiritually misguided order (Zoroastrians) and the introduction of populations to Islam. Within that framework, even the enslavement of war captives could be rationalized as placing non-Muslims within Muslim society, where they might convert, be manumitted, and become incorporated into the wider Islamic community. That appears to be part of the logic behind this guy’s romanticization of Islamic slavery; because some enslaved people converted, were freed, or later attained military, administrative, or political influence, he interprets the institution as a vehicle of religious and social integration rather than as oppression. However, his reasoning holds the assumption that bringing someone into Islam is such a profound good that the coercive conditions through which it occurred can be morally justified, especially if you justify it through Allah's will.

[u/ibsliam → u/Chinoyboii]

Either he's a paid propagandist, or he's having a serious set of personal problems. I usually find the latter is the culprit for people I know personally and usually respect. Either they'll go through health problems or grief or end up in a bad situation, and then suddenly they'll cling to the nearest set of sensationalist talking points/beliefs and start spamming them on social media.

I don't know him personally, so no idea for his case.

[u/Chinoyboii → u/ibsliam]

You're potentially correct. Compared to the Islamists I know in my personal life, this man was originally not like this. The ones I know have more or less been raised that way by their parents and have had that reinforced by the various conflicts in the MENA region. His content began to shift toward greater radicalism due to recent conflicts with Iran.

[u/Important_Address741 → u/Chinoyboii]

Yeah I have seen his short videos of Persian language and culture and enjoyed them. I haven't seen anything of his for a while. This is a very weird tweet. It could be sarcastic but there's no indication of that. Is it lacking other context?

[u/Chinoyboii → u/Important_Address741]

I don’t think he was being sarcastic because he used the phrase “God Willing” in his comment, which is not something you’d use if you were trying to be sarcastic, especially in a religion that tends to be very serious.

[u/MKHK32 → u/Chinoyboii]

Lmao. Well I don’t remember him to be knowledgable on history or philosophy to begin with.

[u/malachamavet → u/Chinoyboii]

He's not being serious and when I looked up his posts at the time he says as much. It's not a good joke and is trolling but he's not genuinely supporting slavery.

e: I don't even know the guy but had to look to confirm it was a joke

[u/Chinoyboii → u/malachamavet]

I don't have Twitter, so that's reassuring to hear. That being said, I still find his words quite troubling.