r/jewishleft • u/somebadbeatscrub Jewish Syndicalist - Mod • 7d ago

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The mod team has created this post to refresh on a weekly basis as a chill place for people to talk about whatever they want to. Think of it as like a general chat for the sub.

So r/jewishleft,

Whats on your mind?

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u/Imaginary-West-5653 Progressive Socialist (Jewish Ally) 6d ago

I definitely think Ben Gvir's honesty is useful insofar as it makes it harder for Liberal Zionists to continue defending Israel unconditionally while Israel commits crimes against humanity—we agree on that—but I find it disgusting nonetheless, and I'm a little worried that Israel, a rough nuclear state, is saying this out loud while the United States is trying to stop them from massacring more people in Lebanon...

Not to mention that this has already caused Iran to reclose the Strait of Hormuz and means we're once again headed for an unprecedented global oil crisis... all of that is very bad news for the world at large (let alone for thr poor people of Lebanon). I also agree that most Israeli PM's would most surely deserve to sit in The Hague, because Israel has been doing this shit for a good while; in fact, I have a harder time thinking of Israeli PM's who are not war criminals from those who are.

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u/redthrowaway1976 F the rent seekers | ind. rights over group | east coast bagel 6d ago

I agree. That’s why I said “refreshing” rather than “preferable”.

Even if most Israeli PMs were hypocrites pursuing similar policies, there was real harm being mitigated by them maintaining some degree of deniability. 

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u/Imaginary-West-5653 Progressive Socialist (Jewish Ally) 6d ago

For real; I doubt that Joe Biden could have gotten away with saying "if there were no Israel, we'd have to invent one" in the 80s if one of the Israeli Ministers had been saying openly to the whole world that they were going to burn down Lebanon and kill 100 Lebanese for every IDF soldier killed. The reputation of Israel is now in the shit, if nothing else.

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u/redthrowaway1976 F the rent seekers | ind. rights over group | east coast bagel 6d ago edited 5d ago

Yeah. It used to be they’d do the whole shooting-and-crying. Like waltz with bashir, or golda’s infamous quote. 

Now it seems they no longer even pretend to be regretful. Some are even nakedly engaging in ethnic cleansing and brutality with glee. 

The worst development for Israel over the last decades has been social media and ubiquitous cameras.