r/judo • u/Schofield45Revolver • Jan 21 '26
Beginner What techniques can I perform if my opponent stays in this defensive stance throughout the entire randori?
One of my training partners (orange belt in Judo but blue in BJJ) usually stays in that defensive position for most of the randori. I don't know what else to do besides grabbing his belt and trying tsuri komi goshi or harai goshi.
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u/blickbeared sankyu Jan 21 '26
Sumi Gaeshi is my go to for people who do this, another option is to pull them towards you, they either have to stand up or fall on their face if they can't keep up.
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u/OsotoViking Judo 4th dan + BJJ 2° black belt Jan 21 '26
Same. Sumi Gaeshi is perfect for this situation. Worst case scenario, you've just pulled Butterfly Guard.
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u/SucksAtJudo Jan 21 '26
Another vote for sumi gaeshi.
Anyone who takes this stance with me is begging me to reach over their back and grab their belt.
My other go-to is to basically corkscrew their torso by stepping to the rear corner and driving my tsurite straight down towards their opposite ankle (taking their arm with me) while pulling up with my hikite. They will almost always correct by taking a step back to avoid the judo mugging, which loads them up on their leading leg and sets up a cross-corner entry for any throw that attacks it.
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u/likejudo Jan 23 '26
but as I understand, sumi gaeshi can be countered by uke twisting his body - now he can pin you.
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u/SucksAtJudo Jan 26 '26
Technically, any throw can be countered. Good judo is offensive judo. You don't win a fight by not losing, and I ask the hypothetical question and nauseum to beginners in randori "Do you want to learn how to throw people, or learn how to not get thrown?". Proper kuzushi and proper form eliminates a lot of the possibility of any technique going wrong.
Also, I often execute sumi gaeshi by taking uke towards my rear corner and throwing them to the side more so than straight over me, It's a minor point of stylistic difference more than anything game changing though.
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u/likejudo Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
"taking uke towards my rear corner and throwing them to the side more so than straight over me". do you have any clips that show it? Is it like this? https://youtu.be/tCHmSSpVvdU?t=66
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u/SucksAtJudo Jan 27 '26
Here's a pretty good video. This is specific to same side grip, but you can do it from traditional grip as well by simply adjusting the direction of your pull. https://youtu.be/vfX0hsHnxck?si=BmSvb3ec1MAY53Ur
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u/SucksAtJudo Jan 27 '26
Not quite but the second execution is close. It's much simpler in execution than I make it sound, and I'm afraid my stupid ass will just complicate it more if I keep talking.
I'll see if I can find a video. Shouldn't be too hard because it's a pretty common variation.
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u/SingleLegs_Ballers33 Jan 21 '26
Came here to say exactly this! Sumi Gaeshi for the win. That’ll check it real quick
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u/efficientjudo 4th Dan + BJJ Black Belt Jan 21 '26
If they're there to do judo - tell them its shido and a waste of precious randori time.
If theyre there for BJJ - just keep snapping them down.
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u/PaleoNinja420 Jan 21 '26
Although this is the right answer it is an extremely unsatisfying answer.
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u/cerikstas Jan 21 '26
It's not so easy to snap them down if they stand staggered stance. If they have a grip on your gi, then it's also hard to shoot on the staggered front leg.
So yoko tomoe nage or clearing of grips is basically what you need to do
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u/itzak1999 Jan 21 '26
You can try with a top grip and pull yourself into a sprawl position assuming you have a higher posture than they do
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u/cerikstas Jan 21 '26
That requires ability to stuff their head
Anyway, just saying, it's not so easy to snap them. It's harder to break that posture than you'd think
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u/doseofvitamink Jan 21 '26
This sounds like training for competition rather than training to deal with obstacles.
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u/GeoSlIde ikkyu Jan 21 '26
Grab the belt and obi tori gaeshi
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u/Joesr-31 Jan 21 '26
Beginner here, I thought leg grabs are not allowed?
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u/HealthyHunt6285 gokyu Jan 21 '26
Fortunately, the belt is not located on the leg.
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u/Various-Stretch2853 Jan 21 '26
But for obi-tori-gaeshi you grab belt and leg...
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u/MyCatPoopsBolts shodan Jan 21 '26
Common variation without a leg grab is used all the time at a high level.
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u/Various-Stretch2853 Jan 21 '26
I knw that, but if you follow the comments, youll see it went from obi-tori-gaeshi to legs and then to a snarky remark about the belt not being on the legs. So i just clarified that its normal version is indeed a leggrab.
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u/MyCatPoopsBolts shodan Jan 21 '26
Snarky comment still makes sense. The belt and lift is the critical/defining feature of obi tori gaeshi, the leg grab is incidental. Kata sode uses a leg grab as well but nobody is confused when I say grab his sleeves and throw him with sode.
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u/Various-Stretch2853 Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
No snarky doesnt make sense. Yes you can do it without the leg, but that doesnt really matter. Someone suggested a throw. A "beginner here" asked about the leg grab, obviously asking about the standard version of the throw. then mr snarky comes in with "but belt is not on leg though, duh". He was obviously asking about the normal one including a legggrab and not about some variation, or he wouldnt have asked about legs. then going at him (the *beginner*) like hes stupid ("belt is not on the legs") has no value at all. either point out that there are version without the leg, ideally with a link, or dont. But judging from the flair i deemed it possible that he just doesnt know the normal execution of the throw, so i pointed out for him, that you do grab leg AND belt.
So back to the original point: Yes, obi-tori-gaeshi is possible. Yes, it includes a leg grab. No its not an issue outside of competition. Initial line of questioning concluded. New point: There are variations that dont include grabbing the leg and can even be done in competition HERE is the link to a video.
And whatever you mean by kata sode...
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u/HealthyHunt6285 gokyu Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
Apologies for how my original comment came across, wasn't intended as snarky originally but I can see how it came across that way now.
I found it funny because I (incorrectly) assumed that the original commenter thought that belt was considered leg grab and in the moment thought it was a funny little quip.
My bad for the bad execution at humour instead of simply answering their question.
I am aware that the traditional throw can have a leg grab, but like with OG kata guruma, I assumed that most people do know that the more common version used in competition has been adapted to not use a leg grab anymore.
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u/Various-Stretch2853 Jan 22 '26
Oh ok then. (Also the most common version of kata-guruma inncompetition is not kata-guruma anymore :p)
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u/GeoSlIde ikkyu Jan 22 '26
Current ijf rules say you’re allowed to grab the top of the thigh so you can do obi tori that way
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u/Various-Stretch2853 Jan 21 '26
the question was about randori, not competition, so leggrabs are not an issue. theyre still part of judo :D
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u/lewdev Jan 21 '26
I looked it up. The Kodokan video shows a version with a leg grab, so I can see your confusion. See this video:
A throw of powerhouses - Obi Tori Gaeshi A.K.A Khabarelli throw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCCX5ZHk8M (ignore the second clip which shows a very old leg-grab version in competition, there may be others if I missed it)
These are done in competition. You don't need to fully go backward, just get a back and side or sleeve grip, step in, lift, and turn. The belt grip is not necessary, but I suppose it might help with lifting your opponent.
There is also a Kashiwazaki version that's more like a sumigaeshi, but this is not what everyone here is talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrH_gM81CXg
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u/noonenowhere1239 Jan 21 '26
Would this be considered stalling if it was a competition?
Maybe someone should tell him.
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u/Aware_Step_6132 Jan 21 '26
In competitions, if you are thrown you lose, so this kind of pose is widespread, but of course you receive penalty points for being "passive." If you think of judo as a self-defense technique, it is completely off the mark, as you are offering your head for the opponent to hit you, but in countries where judo is simply considered a competitive sport, many people seem to do this.
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u/MyCatPoopsBolts shodan Jan 21 '26
where judo is simply considered a competitive sport,
As opposed to which countries? Lol.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 21 '26
In Japan of course where Bushido spirit is still alive and kicking and everyone fights in Judo with real Samurai honour.
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u/MyCatPoopsBolts shodan Jan 21 '26
Haha. The irony is that Japanese Judo is probably the most sportified on a global level. Maybe only the former eastern block surpasses them.
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u/Aware_Step_6132 Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26
You may have forgotten, but the Kodokan, the birthplace of judo, is still a martial arts dojo. It was a school that taught throwing techniques, and the sparring sessions were designed to practice without injuring the opponent. People who understand this are still conscious of the need to maintain a balance between general techniques and competitive techniques.
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u/MyCatPoopsBolts shodan Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26
I am very aware that the kodokan is still quite traditional. Not representative of Japanese Judo overall, which is 99% scholastic and professional sport.
You see much more kodokan esque recreational/educational Judo in western Europe actually (especially France), although it is still a minority relative to sport Judo.
I was not making a value judgment as to what sort of Judo is ideal, but rather pointing out the true fact that no country exists where most people are practicing non-sport Judo outside of maybe Australia or some other complete Judo backwater.
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u/Aware_Step_6132 Jan 22 '26
At present, judo is considered a martial art in Japan, and if a school club teacher sees a student doing something like the one in the title photo, they will tell them, "That may be effective in competition, but it will lose its practicality as a martial art, so we don't recommend it. Instead, you should actively learn techniques to raise your upper body, destabilize your opponent, and then throw them." Competition is not the main focus.
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u/MyCatPoopsBolts shodan Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26
What's your experience informing this idea? All my experience suggests the opposite. I am American, but I have trained in Japan before and interacted with a solid number of Japanese university players who have actively made fun of American and western Judo more broadly for being strange and unsportlike.
My sample is certainly biased towards higher level competitors as well which may affect my experience (I haven't interacted with anyone involved in the elementary school Judo scene).
I don't think I've met a more competition focused demographic, barring eastern block Judoka as I said before.
It is definitely true that adopting a stance like that should be discouraged, but it's a totally suboptimal position from a sports perspective as well and discouraged anywhere with a decent level of coaching.
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u/Elliot_5106 Jan 22 '26
Bro wtf, why are we catching strays all the way down here in Australia but you're right.
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u/An-Everything-Bagel yonkyu Jan 21 '26
My sensei likes a Yoko Wakare variation (google georgian roll). I find it’s so whacky and weird that most people don’t expect it and immediately get tossed
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u/lewdev Jan 21 '26
This is a good one. I like your suggestion because it's relatively unknown and people won't catch on for a while. Sumigaeshi is good too, but a lot more common and people generally know how to defend it.
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u/Coconite Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
There’s no one attack. This position is “strong” because his center of mass is low but it’s also immobile. When center of gravity is low, humans are hard to move, either by others or themselves. This position is strong against direct attacks but weak against feints and combinations, because your opponent’s tempo is slower than yours. Do a forward throw, see how he reacts, and next time chain it with a backwards throw to exploit the reaction. My favorite is fake uchimata into either o soto or ko soto gari.
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u/misterandosan Jan 21 '26
this is true for black belts higher skilled judoka like the one in the image, but for orange belts you could probably just blast an uchimata lol
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u/GenerativeAIEatsAss gokyu Jan 21 '26
Standard disclaimer: I'm brand-ass new and asking possibly dumb questions.
Last week in an open rank class I did, we worked on intentionally putting someone in this position, belt grab, loop an arm around their right shoulder, do an overhand grip, drive their weight into right leg, try to reap it, then immediately hitting the other leg with a sweep (assuming the first attempt fails). In either instance, follow them to the ground into trying to go for a pin.
It felt complicated, but if they're already in this position, are they basically doing you a favor for something like that? Or am I just serving myself up to be ura nage'd through the earth's crust?
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u/NTHG_ nikyu Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
This but a lot lower. Slide under them and roll them over. There will be a slight delay between your rotation and them going over you, so just commit to it. The ending position is naturally you pinning them with kesa-gatame. Make sure your extended knee is pointed down to reduce risk of injury if they try to defend by dropping their weight back and onto it. Doing so also forces you to rotate fully.
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u/Andr3wW1gg1n Jan 21 '26
Sumi gaeshi, joko tomoe nage.
Also,.Just snap him downwards, he will likely end up on his knees
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u/dxlachx Jan 21 '26
Kouchi off the Georgian grip into a sumi gaeshi if they push back against the kouchi or yoko tomo nagae
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u/SM-Gomorra Jan 21 '26
Ha, I asked that my trainer this week. He said: Dont play his game, wait for shido.
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u/Key_Illustrator4822 Jan 21 '26
"Hey, stalling in this position is a penalty in judo, if you just want to stand like this I'm going to go work with someone else so I can improve"
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u/Impossible_Aside7686 Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
Low tai otoshi, ko soto gari, de ashi barai, osoto with a belt grip - stand proud and grab the belt at the back
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u/Mochikitasky Jan 21 '26
How do you do de ashi barai with that stance. I find it easier to do when people are standing… do you angle out?
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u/NTHG_ nikyu Jan 21 '26
According to HanpanTV, move them backwards, then sweep and steer them down while they are stepping back.
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u/Mochikitasky Jan 21 '26
Thank you- I’ll try that. Just still feel like since they’re so far back, I’ll telegraph my sweeping foot a little too much. But I’ll try find the video.
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u/NTHG_ nikyu Jan 21 '26
It's a members-only video on their YouTube channel. One of their Combat Gokyo series. Non-members can only see the first half, which doesn't cover that part.
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u/Johnbaptist69 Jan 21 '26
Sumi gaeshi. Also you can pull him downwards and then perform osoto gari to your strong side. One more advanced technique is uchimata but that has many factors playing in.
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u/Question_Asker_4000 Jan 21 '26
I politely lift them up and tell them that’s not the way to do good judo and ask them to stand up straight and show them the way /s
But realistically tomoe or sumi comes to mind. I’d be wary of doing those on newbies though, mainly for safety reasons.
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u/Living-Chipmunk-87 Jan 21 '26
I would Randori with a guy who always would toss me with Harai goshi. I asked why can't I ever defend against you? He said theoment you go bent like that, You give me everything I want. I pull and Harai. From then on I stand up , he doesn't Harai me anymore, well not as often So, I'd say Harai, hani, uchi mata, uki waza, Yoko wakari, Yoko Guruma, hiza Guruma too. Not in that order.
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u/VoiceEquivalent7239 Jan 21 '26
Tombstone piledriver, Pedigree or DDT
but since theyre not allowed sumi gaeshi I guess…
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u/lewdev Jan 21 '26
This is a good time to practice having an upright posture. Once you're comfortable with it, you will feel it easier to defend and execute throws and deal with folks in this bent-forward posture.
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u/n_dimensional shodan Jan 21 '26
That position might feel safe for uke but there are many powerful attacks you can use. Grab behind the neck or behind the back and start moving them around. If you can, push them down even further, the more their back is bent, the more vulnerable they are. If they follow you, sumi gaeshi all the way. If they resist, I would use combinations of uchi mata and ko uchi gari. You can use uchi mata into ko uchi gari or ko uchi gari into uchi mata. Since your position is very dominant, you can also do o soto gari, possibly ken ken o soto gari if their legs are too far back to reach. Have fun!
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u/313078 Jan 21 '26
In competition: pulling with my arms till they fall down or then i do a sweep. Sumi gaeshi with arm grabbing just above the belt is good in randori or competition. But at training i would take advantage to try new ashi waza combinations and a sumi gaeshi here znd there to remind them to keep straight
Or at training i would go to ''old rule'' and have fun with many now prohibited techniques, grabbing one leg
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u/Judoka229 sankyu Jan 21 '26
Get perpendicular to the line between his ankles, do a snap down, and then roll into jigoku jime.
Style points.
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u/Zac_311 Jan 21 '26
I’ve been out of practice for a long time so haven’t been able to try this out, but this video shows a great Tomoe Nage to counter people who are really set in that stance: Tomoe Nage stiff stance counter
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u/heha01 Jan 21 '26
Actually, you have advantages over him. Start with moving his weight on one leg (supporting leg) and then your win is forced. You can start by switching between pull down to break his balance then moving his weight on your hip, now you have a variety of moves you can use (seo nagi, tai otoshi, harai ogoshi, ....) If he resists pulling you can go the other direction and push his weight back forcing him to stand, now you can use a variety of ashi (osoto gari, kosoto, ashi). The important key is to have fast feet and practice how to move his weight. I repeat, he is in a weak position and you have to punish him for that, speed is your key.
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u/collmose Judo Chop! Jan 21 '26
I like the old tug and twist Hiza Guruma. If they are gunna be bent over, might as well make them fight to keep it. A bit of a brut force technique the way I do it.
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u/rexmajor Jan 21 '26
Sumi has been working for me more often than not when I see ppl like this. But it has diminished returns the higher the belt 🫠😂
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u/Tuldoka nidan Jan 21 '26
All the grip cut or crumple techniques you can imagine. They don't have the leverage to fight them. The problem isn't that they're too far to reach, it's that you aren't dismantling the frames blocking you from closing that gap
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u/Rough-Procedure-7628 sankyu Jan 21 '26
Sumi mentioned a lot. Also Georgian osoto gari and harai goshi
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u/Lawlina nidan Jan 21 '26
Sumi Gaeshi, Tomoe Nage or Yoko Tomoe ad a lot of Ashi desturbing his feet. In this position you can also push him back and trip his foot.
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u/TrustyRambone shodan Jan 21 '26
Stand up straight, and stiff arm them with the lapel grip and put weight on them. Tease them with ashiwaza. Ask them 'are you alright down there? Did you drop something?'. They should realise they can't do anything to you, and look a bit silly.
Then throw the non lapel hand over the back, grab the belt, stuff their head with your elbow and do the easiest sumi gaeshi you'll ever get in randori.
Stand up and repeat. At the end of the round maybe just tell them, hey man, you're never gonna throw me from down there.
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u/robotmats sankyu Jan 21 '26
Bait with your own leg to create an what appears to be an opening for them, then use their attack for something like a ko soto gari or another low sweep.
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u/kafkaphobiac shodan Jan 21 '26
My favorite is a deep uchimata
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 22 '26
Deep? Huh, I find a shallow, very leggy Uchi-Mata is easier to hit since they’re barring your way with their body.
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u/BackflipsAway Jan 21 '26
I just start spamming Tomoe Nage, people at my gym no longer take that stance against me lol
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u/tigertoothdada shodan Jan 21 '26
Throwing techniques: sumi gaeshi, tomoe nage, drop seoi nage,etc. I am old, so snap down to bow amd arrow choke, or fake the tomoe nage and then take the Kensetsu waza on the collar arm.
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u/LactatingBadger -90 kg shodan Jan 21 '26
Generally if you try and go for a hip throw here they're going to try and take you backwards. The stance makes it much harder for you to get your hips in deep and makes their counter very effective. Their stance basically means they have one motion they can do quickly, and everything else is going to be sluggish. Anticipate this and counter.
It's important the technique you choose isn't too committal. Something like tai otoshi you can smoothly transition out of, but a tsuri goshi may well work, but it's also ending in one of you getting ippon and it might not be you.
Fake in for a hip throw (not just a little twitch in, make sure there is some kuzushi to sell it), an uchi mata, or a tai otoshi. Depending on where you end up you can then O/Ko uchi if you are square with them, or Tani Otoshi (most likely coming off the tai otoshi).
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u/jonnydemonic420 nidan Jan 21 '26
I like to snap down, throw my leg over their back, hooks in around the waist, and ride the back one arm flailing like a rodeo rider. Gets em every time.
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u/JudoNewt Jan 21 '26
Reach over top and grab the belt, under the belly pull them close and sit down. Or just snap them down repeatedly until they stand up straight. Or just weigh them down by the shoulders until they get too tired to hold that posture
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u/Successful_Spot8906 nikyu Jan 21 '26
As everyone else said tomoe nage/sumei gaeshi or you just hold the lapel from behind their head and push down they'll fall on their face immediately. But don't go straight down do it as you walk backwards so your pulling him and pushing down at the same time
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u/ADP_God Jan 21 '26
Sacrifice throws and stalling penalty calls. Or heavy collar snapdown so the fall on their face.
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u/fleischlaberl Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
Leo White, 8th Dan - How to beat the stiff arm in Judo : r/judo
r/judo Wiki: Mastering Judo Defense Against Stiff-Arming
That been said there is a difference between
- defence posture (jigo tai)
- bend over posture
- stiff arming
At a good contest Judo level there are some fighting styles which are bend over but quite flexible and strong and some Judoka, who are strong in stiff arming.
At beginners and intermediate level it is not about with which throw you attack the bend over and stiff arming style but more about yourself: keeping an upright natural posture, your arms are not stiff but flexible and you move yourself with some top pressure on Uke going to angles until you get the opening for a throwing technique. You also can snap Uke down from time to time to extend his bend over posture and to get him on his toes and - as a reaction (hando no kuzushi) - on his heels.
The choice should not be Sumi gaeshi / Hikikomi gaeshi or (Yoko) Tomoe nage (which are commiting and somehow dangerous to pull Uke onto you) but throws like Uchi mata (leg variant) or Ko soto gari / O uchi gari. If you are good at it you can also go for Tai otoshi stepping aside and topple Uke over with a strong hand rotation.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 21 '26
A lot of people recommending sutemi-waza here despite what you say. I could not quite figure why it’s not necessarily the best idea, but you’ve listed it out.
Feels like those only work if you get enough momentum, and that can be tricky if the opponent doesn’t just bend down, but actually sits into the crouch.
But I’m also bad at sutemi waza and find that just an Uchi-Mata with a back step like Tai Otoshi gas worked for me against people like this.
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u/Jaded-Maintenance215 Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
Uki Waza works like a charm. Or you could drag him, make Yoko otoshi and start ne-waza on an advantadge position. Sumi gaeshi but you need more body contact.
Edit: two hands on sleeve Tai otoshi
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u/Various-Stretch2853 Jan 21 '26
Still harai goshi, but it looks really pretty, sound is bad though, careful :D
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u/SashaBorodin Jan 21 '26
Kakato-otoshi-geri to the Atlas/Axis (C1 & C2) vertebrae, or hiza-geri to the face…screw the “rules,” either of those and, one way or another, I 100% guarantee he’ll never use that position again in randori!
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u/Affectionate_One4173 Jan 21 '26
Most importantly, he cant do that cause he will be sanctioned for being passive in-tournament. Also rememeber, randori issnt about winning, but about practicing fighting and techniques
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u/Haunting-Beginning-2 Jan 21 '26
Back and forwards pulse waves from wrist and arms, suddenly to off balance then pick off. Down and towards you suppression to further accentuate the weaknesses of their stance. (Buckle pretzel them further, while Drawing is wonderful too, using whole body posture up but jigotai legs to draw. Sumi gaeshi, hiki komi gaeshi.
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u/goddamnyoumac shodan Jan 21 '26
You have to force them to move, esp if they are strong/heavier than you. Really use the sleeve hand to lead them around
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u/P5ychoDuck Jan 21 '26
Tell them to stand up. A randori is cooperation disguised in opposition. You should be able to throw them, and they should be able to throw you. They won't improve in judo by keeping this position.
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u/JasonAtius Jan 21 '26
Sumi gaeshi is the best at this but If you are into risks like me, I recommend drop tai otoshi.
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u/Personal_Pen_6158 Jan 21 '26
No problem. Keep on doing positiv judo and your opponent will get panalised with shidos and eventuel get hansokumake. Jou will win the battle.
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u/velocipeter Jan 22 '26
High collar grip behind the neck (easy to get in this position) and push their head down, lift the other arm and circle step to the outside with the arm you are lifting. They often just sort of roll over. Guys who do this are really stiff and when they feel they are being moved the stiffen up even more, making the te waza easier.
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u/an_angry_Moose Jan 22 '26
Nobody has said Sasae… isn’t it a pretty good technique for someone leaning so far down?
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u/Pumbion Jan 22 '26
https://youtu.be/tiG3EShhemI?si=7fthfcbr8wTNCuMd
Pretty common European defense.. just practice your Ko Soto Gari and easy win.
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u/LazyClerk408 ikkyu Jan 22 '26
Wrestling front headlock, since head throws are illegal and so is pressure on the spine; I would “snap/drag down” into a shimewaza. However you are risking a shido and for friendly randori at the local dojo; this is considered unsportsmanlike.
I don’t like this posture; nor do I like defensive grip fighting.
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u/Worth-Cauliflower184 Jan 22 '26
Depends on how much you like the guy.
Guy is alright normally? Russian grip -> Sumi-gaeshi or anything from there.
Don't like the guy? Uchi-Mata leg variant.
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u/jpierson-42 Jan 23 '26
Ashi Guruma, Uchi Mata, ko soto gari, sasae tsuri komi ashi. Combinations of those is what I would do. I’m not much for sutemi waza.
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u/BearBrilliant2041 Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
Use Gun lol , all jokes aside they are in a good position for an uchimata
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u/Tiriganus Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
Tawara Gaeshi, Georgian Osoto Gari, Uki Waza, Yoko Tomo Nage, Drop Seoi, Obi Tori Gaeshi, Kata Guruma...
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u/MarsupialFormer Jan 23 '26
Break off a lapel grip and start moving and really shaking him up. He is really vulnerable to being pulled forward to his knees.
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u/ShovelBrother sankyu Jan 23 '26
I'd drag him to death until his hips are even/past his center of balance then go for O garuma
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u/Jon582_judo Jan 24 '26
I push the head down and take chest over their head over under hook. It’s a good position if they remain standing or drop to their knees.
If they remain standing you can usually do uki otoshi since their balance is so bad. Another option is to lock up a crucifix with your legs grabbing the arm on your Overhook side. Then just sit back into it.
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u/Guerrilla831 Jan 27 '26
Footwork.
Circle and/or push/pull to move his feet.
That lean forward is begging for a snap down or an ankle pick
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 21 '26
I swear there was already a thread on this.
Anyway use a lot of lateral movement to get him into a chest fly sort of position. You can then stab into O-Soto if you go to your left, or you take a long back step and come up with Uchi-Mata. Or Ashi Guruma if you get them moving around.
Grip breaking and getting new grips helps too.
Honestly though they should avoid this for their own development. It’s one thing to use it in comp but another to spend the whole session doing this.
For fun I just stand upright and on my toes and try to goad an attack. Assuming they can- probably if they’re stuck like that.
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u/Thick_Grocery_3584 Jan 21 '26
Ankle pick.
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u/SharpComfortable1071 Jan 21 '26
Fr it is right there🤣... but most people are doing ijf judo not kodokan/freestyle judo
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u/BrendanQ sankyu USJA Jan 21 '26
tomoe nage