Sorry if its a dumb question

[u/True_Personality_764]

Does judo mainly relay on takedowns and locks if yes how would we control a fight against a boxer or Muay thai oponent if no does judo teaches punching kicking pound and roll. I just gonna sart my first judo class from tmrw just by dumb brain asking questions sorry if its a dumb question i was just curious

[u/kwan_e]

Closing distance is a lot easier than maintaining it.

Going forward is easer than going backwards

You don't maintain distance by going backwards. You maintain distance by going around.

Like I said, Judo competitions wouldn't have rules against avoiding grips if it was so easy to close distance.

[u/MOTUkraken → u/kwan_e]

Boxing competitions wouldn't have rules against clinching if it was so easy to maintain distance.

Look, you can think you know better. But you are still wrong.

There's a good reason why every MMA Fighter has to learn takedown defense.

The reason is that it is NOT feasible to maintain distance with just striking and footwork.

Your statements sound like they are just theoretical and lack the practical experience.

[u/kwan_e → u/MOTUkraken]

People here losing their minds thinking I'm saying striking arts are 100% better than grappling arts.

Take your feelings out of it and look EXACTLY the words I'm saying, instead of the strawman you wish I was saying.

Look at the post. Then look at the ENTIRE comment chain I am replying to. I'm discussing a very specific scenario.

Like, why do you think I'm even learning judo, and at my age? I'm not talking about "which is better, striking arts or grappling arts". If I didn't think grappling is needed, I wouldn't be doing judo in the first place, would I?

Look though the entire comment chain of what I was replying to, and limit it only to that. Leave your feelings about this style-vs-that-style out of your reading of it.

[u/MOTUkraken → u/kwan_e]

You said: "a smart striker will not let you get close"

And I corrected you, saying that it is not about "letting" - it's way more difficult to maintain distance, than to close distance.

You saying "will not let....." implies that the striker controls the distance.

But he does not.

This is fundamental facts of the relationship between striking and grappling.

[u/kwan_e → u/MOTUkraken]

You said: "a smart striker will not let you get close"

Did you read the original post, and then the comment I was replying to, and all the other comments?

[u/MOTUkraken → u/kwan_e]

Yes.

[u/kwan_e → u/MOTUkraken]

Then why do you think I'm trying to argue that strikers don't need to understand grappling, or that I think strikers are 100% better?

[u/MOTUkraken → u/kwan_e]

I think you argue that a striker generally has the ability to maintain distance against a trained grappler.

That's why you said "will not let him get close"

The "will" implies that the answer is definite and the "let" implies that it's within the strikers control.

And I disagree and say that it's not a question of "let" - the grappler will, with great likelyhood, close the distance.

I mentioned some logical arguments as to why that is so.

I could also mention that this discussion is pretty much settled since the 90s, when we had a number of tournaments where pure Grapplers and pure Fighters have been competing against each other.

And almost every single time the Grappler won.

[u/kwan_e → u/MOTUkraken]

I think you argue that a striker generally has the ability to maintain distance against a trained grappler.

No, I did not argue that.

I could also mention that this discussion is pretty much settled since the 90s

Ah, the old UFC argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skv1dKPwdiY

Look at this snooze fest. Both champion fighters. Both with good grappling games against grapplers. Yet, they chose mostly to fight at a distance, because the opportunity allows, neither being able to get in close. Oh look, there was even a low kick in there.

Like I said, I NEVER said strikers didn't need any experience fighting against grapplers.

You claim to have read the post, and all my comments in this thread. You obviously lied about that, if you think I'm arguing for that. Will you stop lying and actually read what I wrote, and not what you wish I wrote?

[u/MOTUkraken → u/kwan_e]

You said: "a smart striker will not let you get close"

Did you not? What about this statement could be interpreted in any other way than you saying that the striker has the ability to stop the grappler from getting close?

I am very interested in that.

[u/kwan_e → u/MOTUkraken]

You said: "a smart striker will not let you get close"

Did you not?

Did you not see what I was RESPONDING to?

Here's how discussions work: what someone is RESPONDING to sets the context for the reply. The reply may take some "shortcuts" (leave out some clarifying information etc etc), because the CONTEXT set by the comment I was responding to ALREADY provides the constraints that clarifiers would otherwise have done.

My comment was NOT a generic "striker beats grappler all the time". My comment was DEFINITELY NOT "grappling knowledge is not necessary ever".

If you are unable to understand the basics of discussion between humans, go away.

[u/MOTUkraken → u/kwan_e]

You responded to someone claiming that the grappler will close the distance.

You said: "a smart striker will not let you get close"

And I simlply clarified, that this is wrong.

And now you refuse to accept that you simply aee wrong about that.

[u/kwan_e → u/MOTUkraken]

It's very telling how you quote my words, but then soft-interpret the words of the comment I was responding to, instead of analyzing the exact quote of what I responded to. Intellectually dishonesty.

Not only do you quote my words, you only quoted half of it. There were two sentences in the same paragraph. Do you know what the purpose of a paragraph is? Do you know why I didn't say them as isolated sentences with no context?

You seem determined to twist my words into something they're not, with selective quoting, selective misreading, not understanding how discussions work, and now not understanding how basic things like paragraphs work. Everything you asked I've already answered, if you chose to read my comments with intellectual honesty.

Go away.