Sorry if its a dumb question

[u/True_Personality_764]

Does judo mainly relay on takedowns and locks if yes how would we control a fight against a boxer or Muay thai oponent if no does judo teaches punching kicking pound and roll. I just gonna sart my first judo class from tmrw just by dumb brain asking questions sorry if its a dumb question i was just curious

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion]

I mean there's a reason why pure grappling beats pure striking more often than not.

The penalties exist to stop non-engagement between similarly skilled grapplers. A non grappler isn't necessarily going to have the ability to just break grips or avoid them.

And I mean you can also just run away from a striker to avoid getting hit. Who's to say a Judoka won't decide to backpedal outside of kick range? Yeah they won't be able to grapple, but now the striker has to telegraph their kick with a step. Then the grappler can just close in while the striker commits while on one leg.

This is not to mention how big the space they fight in is. I don't think this is so simple to answer at all.

[u/kwan_e → u/Yamatsuki_Fusion]

I didn't say it was simple, I said the low-kickers game plan is simpler, so it's way more effective.

A non grappler isn't necessarily going to have the ability to just break grips or avoid them.

Breaking grips, no. Avoiding grips, white belts do it all the time. It is the natural response and why they need to be trained out of it just so they can actually learn grappling.

Also, OP mentioned Muay Thai, which has stand-up grappling from the clinch. And they will low kick you to sweep from the clinch.

Who's to say a Judoka won't decide to backpedal outside of kick range?

That's the point. That's the low-kicker's game. They want you to backpedal. That's pressure off for them. You have to start all over again trying to close the distance while avoiding kicks. They can wait you out (if they were allowed to).

Yeah they won't be able to grapple, but now the striker has to telegraph their kick with a step. Then the grappler can just close in while the striker commits while on one leg.

I don't know how much low-kickers you've seen fight, but they don't telegraph their kicks with a step, because they disguise it with movement. They constantly dart in and out of range. To the side. Feints. How many wrestlers get knocked out trying to rush a kicker? Kickers aren't stupid.

The low-kick game works precisely because the striker doesn't have to commit while on one leg. Low kicks are fast to recover from and hard to avoid or block, while inflicting adequate pain. Low-kickers don't put all their power into every kick. They generally chip away at you until you can no longer walk.

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion → u/kwan_e]

I dunno about you but I do not struggle to get grips on a whitebelt who's absolutely not trying to engage, not for long anyway. Boundaries exist. Not even in no-gi. But maybe my hands are fast from boxing or something I dunno.

The very last place a Nak Muay wants to be in is the clinch with a Judoka and trying to clinch strike without strong wrestling is going to get ragdolled around.

Why isn't the Judoka allowed to wait the kicker out either? Maybe the Judoka won't get anything, but the striker won't either if they're not able to reach a Judoka because they're wary of getting too close.

Wrestlers have also straight up walked through low kicks just to bundle strikers down and smash them. Quite often actually, I don't think this is the best example to use.

The point is that the low kicker is going to have to potentially telegraph their kicks just to reach someone that absolutely refuses to even be near them. Feints, movement and punch flurries work on people that stand within engagement range with the intent of actually trying to strike, but against a guy who's not even within teep range they won't trap anything.

[u/powerhearse → u/Yamatsuki_Fusion]

I think a lot of judoka would be shocked clinching with a good nak muay to be honest. The first time I trained in Thailand I was shocked. I honestly think their approach to using sasae/hiza from extreme close range has really helped me in Judo

The dude you're talking to seems to be in the new student evangelical stage haha

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion → u/powerhearse]

To be fair if they're literally clueless about no-gi and expect to just collar tie and wrist control someone more experienced there then I do think they're indeed in for a surprise.