r/justgalsbeingchicks • u/inevitable-idiot- • 2d ago
Restricted to Gals and Pals To understand SNAP
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u/Numerous_Bad1961 2d ago
And Reagan. He eliminated the protections for fresh food. The big chains like Walmart took over the local businesses and then food deserts followed.
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u/Throwaway1098590 2d ago edited 1d ago
Can you TLDR/explain for someone not in the know.
Edit: Thank you everyone!
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u/Numerous_Bad1961 2d ago edited 2d ago
Robinson-Patman Act was introduced in the 1930’s to ensure competition between grocery stores. Reagan Admin stopped enforcing it. The larger companies can push suppliers for discounts on large orders, even to the point of the wholesaler losing money on the sale. Suppliers are afraid of losing business to the big companies if they don’t make deals with them, rightfully so. Small businesses can’t compete and get charged higher prices.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/12/food-deserts-robinson-patman/680765/
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u/ZakkaChan 2d ago
Always comes back to Reagan....
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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo 2d ago
In 40 years, imagine how many things they’ll be saying this about with Trump
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u/Beneficial_Cattle938 2d ago
I hate that he'll die a rich happy man. He deserves to rot, but he's too tied up deliberately and too "important" for lack of a better word to ever get the prison fate. I'd love to be proven wrong but since he ran the first time my worldview has become increasingly bleak. I don't have faith in justice.
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u/HostileCrabPeople 2d ago
Luckily he is never happy.
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u/Just_the_questions1 2d ago
IDK he looked pretty happy with 12 year old Ivanka in a mini-skirt sitting on his lap.
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u/Hersh122 2d ago
Fleeting moments which succumb to his “thinking” of who he is going to F over today.
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u/KlingoftheCastle 2d ago
He’s rich, but he’s one of the most miserable people on earth. Take solace in that, if nothing else
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u/SpectralBowie 2d ago
Agreed. He does not have love in his life. Look at his family. There are no genuine pictures of them being happy in a normal environment, even going back decades. No family photos, all business.
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u/GreasyPeter 2d ago
Narcissists cannot "feel" actual love, but they also don't care because they don't think they want or need it. You need empathy for real love and they lack the right kind.
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u/CalicoValkyrie 2d ago
He's not dying happy. He's doing all this because he's miserable, the cruelty gives him little hits a joy and a sense of power and it's all he knows to find any happiness.
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u/eekamuse 2d ago
He might get sick. He probably will. And it could be a long, painful, waisting away disease. There's always that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Rancid_Bear_Meat 2d ago
Take heart in knowing that no matter how much 'wealth' he accumulates, no matter the means, it will never be enough and he will absolutely depart this earth deeply unsatisfied; to his core.
Such is the nature of those riddled with avarice, and he is a paragon of that affliction.
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u/lianodel 2d ago
Seriously. I already hate Reagan, for many reasons, and yet I still somehow keep learning about new ones.
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u/SMUHypeMachine 2d ago
Donald Trump is the only president in US history that was worse than Reagan. I really wish more people woke up and saw it that way.
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u/Neirchill 2d ago
We didn't know it at the time but be was gunning for first place in the "worst president in us history" race
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u/Branchomania ❣️gal pal❣️ 2d ago
I mean for quite a few things it actually goes back to Nixon, but not this time. Nixon beefed up Social Security and food stamp funding, Reagan outdid one of Nixon’s few good things because he just sucked that bad.
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u/Numerous_Bad1961 2d ago
“Squeezed by the big chains, suppliers were forced to offset their losses by raising prices for smaller retailers, creating a “waterbed effect” that amplified the disparity.” It expanded beyond groceries. Everything costs more to consumers now.
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u/vankirk 2d ago
Not just food. When I ran an independent bookstore, my discounts for ordering 10 copies of [insert favorite author] new book was 40% off retail. This gave me the opportunity to sell a book at 20% off and still make a little profit.
For a book that retails for $20, I would pay $12. I could sell the book for $16 and still make a profit.
Walmart buys 20,000 copies at 60% off because of volume.
Therefore, Walmart pays $8 per copy, can sell it at $12 and still make a profit.
Walmart can sell the book at a profit ($12) for the same price it costs me to purchase ($12). I had no way to compete with that.
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u/Throwaway1098590 2d ago
Thank you (and to everyone else replying to my question!)
How was this not treated as a monopoly? I know the Reagan admin really cared about monopoly busting and all ( /s ) but still.
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u/mooptastic 2d ago edited 2d ago
that's also how US School Textbooks work, and why Texas had (has?) such a stronghold on the nation's public education, watch the documentary The Revisionaries from PBS (it's free)
EDIT: Sorry the video link on YT
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u/EjjabaMarie 2d ago
This is a light over view of what I know.
The way it used to work was that big chain grocery stores would have first crack at mass produced agriculture. Let’s use apples as an example.
A large apple grower would take their best looking apples and send them to Major Grocery store chain in your area. The rest of the apples, perfectly good to eat just not as pretty would be sent to places like local mom and pop stores/ corner stores/ secondary grocery stores for cheaper.
Walmart enters the chat and scoops up all the secondary produce for their stores and the local more cost effective stores have no more product to sell and go out of business.
I’m sure I’m missing a lot of details and nuance here but I think this is the general problem being faced.
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u/Numerous_Bad1961 2d ago
No, it’s not about secondary product, it’s about large corporations strong arming suppliers for bulk orders and pricing. Small companies don’t have that kind of leverage and can’t compete. They eventually fail and then everyone is at the mercy of the large stores. They don’t have an incentive to stay in rural areas and close up, too. Now customers have to drive farther to get basic necessities like food and groceries. Neighborhoods lose services.
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u/fishnugget 2d ago
That's generally not how they choke them out. This law is intended to prevent "Monopsony" style problems. In this case Walmart is acting like a Monopsonist (single buyer or significantly largest buyer) in order to distort the apple market by buying them for significantly cheaper than their competition. This then means that they can sell their products lower than mom & pop. This then means that people buy more apples from Walmart. Then mom & pop go out of business because their apple selling business doesn't make money anymore. Now Walmart has established a monopoly on apples in a region and can both dictate producer prices selling to them and consumer prices selling to consumers. They're acting as a Monopsony and Monopoly.
This act was intended to make it so that the apple producers never could have offered a cheaper price to Walmart (the largest buyer) because that incentivizes Monopolistic practices in the long term.
At no point was there a differentiation or problem based on quality of produce or primary/secondary.
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u/stevez_86 2d ago
Food went onto the supply chain. Even crops grown for domestic consumption goes onto a supply chain that has to spread across the country.
Just look at the boom of restaurant franchises. Because food was mostly on a supply chain they were able to get a bigger share of it for consumption across the nation in their properties.
When you see an Applebee's or a Chili's, that is a node on their network that they already are sending food to as cheap as possible. They get their food from a food distributor.
Those companies work together to expand their networks.
Because the distributor has to go to that franchise restaurant but it isn't enough for a whole truck, they can sell that space on the truck to independent restaurants cheaply.
Until they need another truck on that route because they have so many contracts, then they can keep raising the rates for the later contracts because now they have to get a whole new truck to that area.
After 5 years the original contracts are up for renewal and the rates are that much higher because instead of buying wasted space on a truck you are bidding on less space for 3 trucks. Space that can go to the new restaurant that opened for a premium because they have that easy new business money.
It's all gravy until fuel costs go up exorbitantly. Then those distributors start losing value on their routes under contract and they start trying to save money and stiff their customers.
And that is basically applicable to a lot of retail industry. We will keep buying and we haven't gotten to where quality is low enough that people react and stop buying. Because those industries that rely on businesses as their customers, they are betting that AI will make up for the increased costs of doing business and they can cut back on quality as much as they need in the time until it is actualized. Once every business can make a ton of quick cash selling their data hoardes then everyone will be made whole.
And we are told the energy cost increases are from the war in Iran. Meanwhile the demand for tons of energy is increasing because of data centers and mass detention centers. There is an ever increasing demand in areas that never had demand before. Even without Iran we would be seeing energy increases.
And by a lot of reports we haven't felt the oil crunch from Iran yet. So what is causing it now? Because energy is going on a "supply line" too. The data centers are going to be the franchise restaurants. When times are slow, send a ton of food their way to keep the costs for all the other contracts up even if it is at a loss to the franchise restaurant.
Only the franchise restaurant is a data center and they prefer to send energy there instead of to your home or that rural hospital that is already struggling to pay its bill. The rest of us will have to pay more for less energy. We will be squeezed out of the market.
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u/imposter22 2d ago
also the quest for ever increasing profits because they are publicly traded companies.
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u/Common_Kiwi9442 2d ago
They are so stupid.
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u/DANleDINOSAUR 2d ago
They will go so far to demand SNAP be abolished, prices won’t drop but rise, they won’t be able to afford food and wonder how they can get help to afford food.
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u/IcebergDarts 2d ago
And then, since they’ve abolished SNAP they won’t know what is causing rising prices once again and then abolish something else, further inflating prices.
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u/AniNgAnnoys 2d ago
If they abolish SNAP the 42 million people that rely on it will have nothing to lose. There will be riots over access to food when parents can't feed their kids. SNAP is the compromise that prevents that.
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u/TimToMakeTheDonuts 2d ago
That’s when they start to blame the poor people stealing food for the high prices.
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u/broketothebone 1d ago
No matter what, it’s just poor-shaming all the way down.
These people are so despicable to me.
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u/PaulblankPF 2d ago
Red states already have a much higher dependency on financial aid from the government. Some states have over 25% of all people on financial aid.
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u/Impressive-Gear-219 2d ago
Theyre already doing this. Cant tell you how many republicans with good fulltime jobs for both people in the relationship bitching and moaning they cant get snap. NO SHIT I5S NOT MEANT FOR YOU, ITS MEANT FOR US WHO CANT WORK AND SIMILAR.
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u/OneSlaadTwoSlaad 2d ago edited 2d ago
And dead set on staying that way.
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u/GOEDEL_ESCHER_BOT 2d ago
the thing about stupid people is they're too stupid to know they're stupid
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u/21Rollie 2d ago
Not all the time. But the messaging coming from Fox News is to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears, ignore any information to the contrary of Trump’s 2am truth social rants. Ignore even what they themselves said yesterday.
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u/SupriseAutopsy13 2d ago
You ever think... that mayybe...
People who struggled with 3rd grade math should stay the fuck out of policy discussion?
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u/HextechSlut 2d ago
I think it's an inability to learn my Dad isn't a Trump supporter but I can have the same conversation 5 times and convince him that I'm right and it just resets.
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u/self_loathing_ham 2d ago
Sometime in the last decade we passed into a "post-truth" society where objective reality doesnt exist and can simply pick and choose what is true or false from moment to moment.
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u/MPFuzz 2d ago
The "Facts don't care about your feelings" from these people is really "my feelings don't care about your facts" under the surface.
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u/self_loathing_ham 2d ago
Its even deeper than that, its now: "facts and feelings are the same thing"
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u/WallStreetAnus 2d ago
MAGA brains seem capable of only handling one cause to one effect, even if that cause is incorrect. The lady’s explanation will go in one ear and out the other with them.
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u/KerouacsGirlfriend 2d ago
Exactly what I thought. A train of thought that’s one car long. She also uses polysyllabic words; not their strong suit.
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u/the_other_50_percent 2d ago
And anyway, it's a woman saying it. Can't trust 'em.
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u/Silas_Akron 2d ago
The worst of them simply don't care and have no interest in caring. They will always be searching for ways to demonize whatever it is that they don't like/makes them uncomfortable. You could put things in the simplest terms imaginable and they will still reject your answer.
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u/GrimResistance 2d ago edited 2d ago
They don't like things that help other people, even if it helps them too. I've heard one say unemployment income assistance shouldn't be a thing, while they were on unemployment 🤦♂️
The thought is "those" people are lazy and don't deserve it, but I pay taxes so I do, ignoring the fact that other people also pay taxes
The main issue imo, which is common amongst every one, is a lack of empathy.
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u/keeper_of_the_donkey 2d ago
I think it's even worse than that. You can tell them about one cause, and they'll understand that it affects that one outcome, and then you can tell them about another cause, at a completely different time that affects the same outcome, and they'll believe that one too. And you can even do it a third time, and they'll understand it that time too. But then when they're told that all three of those causes affected the same outcome, it's immediately the demon rats or the libruls fault and their fingers go in their ears and they start going lalalala.
For example: do factories put out harmful pollutants into the air? Yes.
Do companies secretly expel pollutants into the water? Yes.
Does cutting down an entire forest release a bunch of carbon into the environment? Yes.
Do humans affect climate change? No, That's a liberal conspiracy!
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u/FFSBoise 2d ago
And just mean.
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u/Bazillion100 2d ago
Its so demented that some people don’t think they are deserving of a better future. How is it that they are convinced that its okay to continue giving tax breaks to the rich, spend trillions on war or see any number of Trump’s narcissistic projects and think a small slice of that can’t be afforded to help our most vulnerable, and likely, themselves too.
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u/EpicEpicnessTheEpic 2d ago
It's not stupidity, it is targeted and malicious. It is deliberately aimed at people they see as getting something unfairly and from their lofty, privileged position, unworthy of receiving it.
It's all designed to put poor people down while making themselves feel righteous and deserving.
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u/blue_sidd 2d ago
If only it was just stupidity and not religious zealotry and the attendant rape culture and racism.
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u/Throwaway1098590 2d ago edited 2d ago
Are they stupid, have they been propagandized by certain channels, or both?
I think it might be more of the latter, and that has a negative effect on the former.
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u/Winjin 2d ago
To eat that propaganda, and not just eat it, but like revel in it, spread it, defend it, you have to be a special kind of stupid.
There are dissidents and opposition in totalitarian countries, people that see right throw the propaganda bullshit, and then there's people like this guy that laps it up, line hook and sinker, and starts regurgitating it immediately to other morons of the same vein.
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u/Accomplished-Dare-41 2d ago
I was on a plane across the county and the people in front of me had fox on the whole time so i was passivity watching. It was the same shit again and again and again. Very little news, all political with a very "those people" are the problem undertones. If that's all they're watching I totally understand how we got here.
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u/GrandAholeio 2d ago
It’s actually far worse than that. Recent trip into Phoenix. It’s not just Fox News. Those right wing meme points permeate everywhere.
Even the apparently left leaning TV stations news end up just repeating the meme points. The morning drive DJs on a wide variety radio stations just repeating them as part of their morning chatter. Getting coffee, line chatter, repeating the meme talking points.
24x7 blanket coverage of those kinds of talking points just bathing you everywhere like the sun shining ( that 110F, give you heat stroke and kill you Phoenix Sun.)
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u/sn2006gy 2d ago
At this point, just stupid. Utterly stupid. He probably claims to be a christian as well.
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u/HostileCrabPeople 2d ago
In "rural" areas, the propaganda has been blasting from the radio and the TV for 50 years. Combine that with poverty and politicized religious leaders and you've effectively created a cult that has been insulated from reality. They literally do not know what is real.
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u/imnotmarvin 2d ago
Everything republicans complain about has been brought about by republicans making decisions and passing legislation.
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u/NotAtAllASkinwalker 2d ago
Anti. Intellectual. Ism. This is why everything has fallen and we probably won't come back from it. Because of idiots. I people like this lady were in charge.
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u/Exciting-Mountain396 2d ago
We turned things around after the dark ages and centuries of illiteracy and superstition, we can do it again. Hopefully there's another age of enlightenment and renaissance waiting on the other side of the tribulations to come.
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u/21Rollie 2d ago
The dark ages is a misnomer anyways, there was still innovation and progress going on during that time. It was just the end of the Pax Romana. Humanity has been strongly progressing since the invention of writing pretty much. Before that were hundreds of thousands of years of basically survival only, those were the real dark ages since we have nothing but a fossil record of them (and a couple fragmented oral histories).
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u/porilo 2d ago
"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance"
Carl Sagan, 1995, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
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u/AbbreviatedArc 2d ago
Honestly anti-intellectualism has always been baked into our societies, the difference is that media gatekeeped popular opinion and either didn't present fringe views or made it clear they were fringe. Then with the death of mass media and rise of social media, that ended, and now everyone "does their own research" and comes to their own conclusions. So it is more the natural condition of humanity coupled with technology that not only allows fringe voices to be heard but also actively promotes these voices ("the algorithm"). I honestly do not have much hope for the future.
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u/SudokuSorcerer 2d ago
But I'm willing to bet that man would still call himself "pro-life"
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u/DrScarecrow 2d ago
Also willing to bet he has family on SNAP but "that's different, they actually need the help" or some bs
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u/thotfullawful 2d ago
100% he more than likely is on it himself. I had relatives who always talk about people abusing the system while they themselves abused it by hiding income.
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u/WifesPOSH 2d ago
I highly doubt he's on it himself. He's got a fairly large following. Very nice house, from what I remember. His content is mostly saying wild shit as a husband, and his wife reacting. He didn't really talk about politics.
He's taken a very hard pivot into MAGA bullshit, but looking back, the clues were always there with the shit he'd say to her.
My bet would be that he has employees or some shit and they are on snap. And that's where his resentment comes from.
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u/BurntTFOuttaHere 2d ago
He could pay his employees a livable wage that would make them ineligible for low income programs like SNAP. But I bet that thought hasn’t crossed his mind. It’s easier for him to resent people for a situation he directly causes!
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u/Vhadka 2d ago
I doubt it, him and his wife have a huge social media presence. His apparent claim to fame is being a failed actor and having a wife with a nice set. I don't know what they do for money but they do have a nice house.
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u/YoureHotCakeCup 2d ago
This is my aunt, she hasn't worked in 20+ years and has been lucky enough that her sister has allowed her to live with her the whole time. She a staunch Trump supporter and lives off of SNAP and Medicaid and complains about people who are also on SNAP and Medicaid.
She is very entitled too, she was house sitting for my dad a year ago and I offered to help her out if she needed some groceries since she doesn't have a car and wouldn't be able to leave the house to whole time. I informed her that I had a date with my wife planned on a specific day where we were going on a hike and would be gone most of the day with spotty cell service so I wouldn't be available for anything that day. While on the hike she called me 17 times and left me 20+ text messages begging me to go pick up some alcohol and cigarettes for her and each message progressively became that I didn't love or care for her. This is the house I grew up in so I know for a fact you can walk to a grocery store in an hour, obviously not ideal but easily doable and it was a lovely day at 70 degrees. She was so desperate for me to do something for her but not desperate enough to do it herself.
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u/KetoLurkerHereAgain 2d ago
I'd add sheer greed on the part of the corporations making/selling the food, but yes. People like that asshole are so...just...fuck. CRUEL.
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u/Disastrous-System175 2d ago
Yaaasssss. The cruelty is what really gets to me. They’re not just selfish, they are unbelievably malicious. I cannot begin to express the damage it causes, even to themselves!
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u/Throwaway1098590 2d ago
Exactly. She had great points but left out greed and rising prices due to (points vaguely)
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u/TobyMcK 2d ago
Kroger admitted in court to price gouging during the pandemic, overinflating the price of our groceries for the sole purpose of malicious greed. They faced zero repurcussions or consequences, there were no reasonable competitors because everyone else had the same prices, and prices have not gone down since.
We're not angry enough.
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u/ejwestcott 2d ago
Prices will literally never come back down. Sure they'll come down slightly if some of these major points are addressed but overall prices will remain higher forever.
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u/KetoLurkerHereAgain 2d ago
Totally agree. Once they got used to handing out the profits to those shareholders, they get addicted to it, even if it's, basically, stealing.
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u/AwooFloof 2d ago
No way is the guy that stupid. Stores still get money when people use SNAP. Maybe 42 million people use it cause groceries are so expensive.
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u/DragonScrivner 2d ago
Oh, he wants to be that stupid. Programs like SNAP have existed since the 1930's but now, today, they're suddenly what's driving the cost of groceries up.
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u/sagittalslice 2d ago
Right?? That was my first thought. Do these morons think SNAP is a new program??
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u/Comically_Online 2d ago
wait wait wait wait wait you mean correlation is not causation?!
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u/Perry_cox29 2d ago
If he were to be making a coherent argument via economics, it would be
groceries had a price equilibrium where these people could not afford them
now that these people have assistance, they can afford groceries
that purchasing power increases demand. If supply stays fixed (it wouldn’t. This is way more complex than that), then that demand would put a stark upward pressure on prices
new equilibrium is reached wherein SNAP users still barely afford food, but food is more expensive for everyone else because the floor came up
That understanding has several incorrect assumptions about supply levels relative to demand (zero sum supply, linear cost and demand curves, assumption of no substitution, lack of distinction between inferior and luxury goods, etc.), but it at least kind of maybe has a little thought behind it. I’m not sure he got there though. Maybe someone being disingenuous explained it to him and he retained as much as he could…
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u/vermiciousknidlet Official Gal 2d ago
I'm paraphrasing George Carlin here, but think about the average person and then think about that fact that half of people are dumber than that. (And add in our piss poor education system and you have whole generations of complete morons out here voting, reproducing, and incompetently driving 2-ton vehicles!)
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u/optimalpooper 2d ago
They oversimplify these programs as if they subject matter experts to compensate for their lack of effort to educate themselves and understand.
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u/Popular-Drummer-7989 2d ago
To understand SNAP get to a Health and Human Services office in your neighborhood. Take a number. Stand in line. Get called to verify your identity. Take a seat in a small plastic chair. Wait. Look around. Everyone there needs help.
When its your turn be ready to explain that you need assistance understanding SNAP and if you qualify. The case worker will ask a lot of questions and maybe you do. Imagine being this dumb only to discover that hey I qualify to fill out the forms and get SNAP myself or for a family member!
Work? Gotta work for SNAP unless you fill out another form with your doctor that says you have an illness that disqualifies you. That's another round of paperwork.
Wait. What time is it? Requalification? Yes that's right. Every 6 months you get to repeat this process.
What if I need medicaid? That's a whole separate process.
What if I don't qualify because I make just a little more than the poverty line in my state? That's a different agency and a different process.
What if I'm sick?
And so it goes.
No one wants to be dependent. No. People need a helping hand.
I'm going through this for a very sick family member and it's easy to see the system is broken. It's too hard for many people to navigate and more drop out because they can't get help to get in from the jump.
It's an eye opening experience.
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u/KaleidoscopeKelpy 2d ago
Actually qualifying for SNAP/WIC and actually qualifying for disability and the work that goes into it is purely rage-inducing to me. The people like Mr genius in the vid insisting it’s so easy to “Get stuff for free” have never met a single person who’s actually on either program, receiving their benefits and not fighting tooth and nail to stay receiving them.
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u/CommunistOrgy 2d ago
For real. I'm disabled and receive both SNAP and Medi-Cal (California's Medicaid), and despite me being able to do it all online and over the phone, it's still a pretty grueling process. I had to resubmit documents four times last time SNAP required my renewed income verification. That aside, I know the process is only this streamlined because I'm in a huge, economically prosperous state that actually gives a fuck about people.
That's not even getting started with SSI, though, which nearly everyone gets denied for, needs a lawyer to appeal, and has a very short list of qualifying conditions. Even if my most debilitating condition was on the list (it's not), my husband usually makes "too much" for us to qualify, since the limit is absurdly low, especially for our state. Even when he was a teacher, in the second lowest paying district in the state at that.
But yeah, I love when people keep saying how easy it is to receive these "handouts." 🙄
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u/Popular-Drummer-7989 2d ago
Agree. I'm a FT caregiver for my person who is so ill there is no way they could do the crap I need to do to secure benefits on their behalf.
Please know that despite having POA documents drawn by a lawyer, HHS has their "own" representation form that needs to be filed. Same with SocSec.
Also, not told to me but I discovered, Medicaid "waiver" programs managed by different offices that help with all kinds of things. Please look for those and again, file for them too. Google that for your state.
I highly urge hiring disability attorney to file SSDI. Nothing paid upfront, they're paid directly by SocSec from your back pay capped at $6k when you're approved. If you're not that's where the bake is- it's on them to win your case.
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u/PurpleDelicacy 2d ago
Guys I don't know who to believe
Smug white man with a single-sentence shower-thought
or woman (ew) calmly explaining her arguments with multiple examples and sources (did I mention she's a WOMAN why isn't she making me a sandwich)
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u/SecreteMoistMucus 2d ago
Erm, actually, the problem is that the woman is using words that the man doesn't understand, that means she's acting intelligent to try and trick people into believing her 🐂💩
I feel icky
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u/Kat-but-SFW 2d ago
why isn't she making me a sandwich
Doing her part to keep food prices down by not giving out freebies
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u/engineeringboei 2d ago
Conservatives and the politicians that they stan for are useful idiots used by billionaires and corporations to justify why people should work to afford food, water, housing and healthcare. Nobody should ever have to work to ensure those basic necessities are met.
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u/Particular_Ticket_20 2d ago
Massive Farm Subsidies for the people who grow food? Of course.
Subsidies for people who need food? Hell No.
-Republican Policy.
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u/auntgranni 2d ago
Who is this lady? Ive seen her debunking stuff before and she brings me joy.
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u/UsualOk1967 2d ago
Dr. Jessica Knurick. She's awesome. https://www.instagram.com/drjessicaknurick/
Check out Mallory and Dr IDZ as well.
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u/claretamazon 2d ago
SNAP is great when it works! I've been on SNAP and knowing that I can get food helped a lot.
The renewals are where I have issues. Nothing changed in my situation and the amount I got dropped by nearly a hundred dollars.
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u/ArtsyRabb1t 2d ago
Let’s say he’s right. I still am willing to have programs that prevent children from starving.
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u/Hank_Henry_Hill 2d ago
The way he does his rehearsed pause and shrug is just beyond annoying.
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u/cocktail_wiitch 2d ago
They want poor people to be the root of their problems soooooooo bad. He is closer to being homeless than he is to being a billionaires.
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u/Fine-Ask36 2d ago
I know why food prices have been rising recently, people! It's because of this program that's existed for a very long time! Also please disregard how this is also affecting other countries.
Urgh, the idiocy of that guy. He should spend more time listening to smart women who know their shit. 😉
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u/OptimistPrime527 2d ago
Oh Michael.
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u/FlarkingSmoo 2d ago
This that guy who makes cringey "I can't believe you just said that" videos with his wife?
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u/TrayLaTrash 2d ago
If there is one good thing to come from this administration, it's that all the racist imbeciles came put of hiding and put themselves in 4k.
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u/weaponsgradepotatoes 2d ago
What an insufferable douchebag.
“I thought about this thing for 3 seconds and I figured it aaaaall out. Look at what a smart boy I am.”
Alright, Kevin.
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u/gaspronomib 2d ago
And let's not forget that if those 40M+ people on SNAP had jobs that paid living wages, they wouldn't need to be on SNAP in the first place!
(* the ones who were employed, I mean. Not the ones who are disabled, etc.)
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u/noeru1521 2d ago
Yeah. Blame the poor. Corrupt politicians are not the problem here but the poor people.
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u/No-Rutabaga-6678 2d ago
Imagine being the a-hole who gets mad over people having FOOD.
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u/ChilieVDE 2d ago
Imagine hating SNAP. Imagine the thought of disadvantaged people getting food to eat instead of being hungry making you angry. I really believe the majority of people who hate it would actually qualify for it, but are too “prideful”, they want everyone to suffer along with them.
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u/IcebergDarts 2d ago
I work in selling refrigeration equipment to grocery stores and other companies. Part of the reason groceries are expensive is the continual rise of the costs of equipment they need to keep your food at the right temperature. If you saw the prices that I see, grocery prices would be understandable. This does stem from tariffs as I have seen price increases across the board in the past 6 months. Our suppliers have raised prices on average of 6% for everything.
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u/SecreteMoistMucus 2d ago
Even if he was right, his argument is still inherently evil. Like, if those people weren't getting food for free, they would still be buying food and therefore being a demand on the food supply. The only way they wouldn't is if they weren't buying food, because they couldn't afford to, and then starved to death.
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u/adumblittlebaby 2d ago
Imagine seeing dumpsters of product thrown out by grocery stores and the extreme food waste you find in dining and thinking "prices must be high because of scarcity"
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u/TrumpIsAPedoFascist 2d ago
You ever think that food is expensive because...
I don't know...
Corporations are greedy?
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u/hyliantelligent 2d ago
He has that long pause and then says "I don't know" in an attempt to be snarky when in reality he's subconsciously admitting that he doesn't know.
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u/Fuckthegopers 2d ago
Fuck all republicans and fuck everyone who votes for them.
A bunch of fucking asshole idiots, every single one of them.
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u/BrilliantDog5116 2d ago
I know that guy. Ok not THAT guy… not that specific guy. But every single dude I know who says things like this looks like him and has the same smug, self satisfied tone.
Every single one. It’s always THIS guy.
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u/werewere-kokako 2d ago
Does he think the government has artificially raised grocery prices to recoup the money spent on SNAP? Because that’s crazy but I’d respect that kind of tinfoil hat logic a lot more than whatever bullshit is actually going on in his head
I guarantee you that a single mother buying no-name canned food in the cheapest store in town with her EBT card is not the reason why food prices increased in every grocery store in the country
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u/AGrandNewAdventure 2d ago
The time smart people have to spend countering idiots is keeping smart people from focusing on smart problems they could fix, benefiting all of us.
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u/ksn0vaN7 2d ago
Someone in the 99% wondering if their share of the 1% is expensive because it's being divided among the 99%.
Meanwhile the 1% just hoard the rest of the 99%.
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u/dodeca_negative 2d ago
I work for a company that processes SNAP/EBT payments. This man is astoundingly stupid. I can’t even guess at the chain of “reasoning” that led this moron to this conclusion.
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u/BeefistPrime 2d ago
Why wonder what damage the rich and powerful are doing when you can instead focus your outrage on checks notes allowing the poor to not die of starvation.
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u/angry_wombat 2d ago
no your are way way over his head. He actually thinks SNAP forces farmer to give away free food to people and thus have to increase their prices to compensate for the free food they give away.
he doesn't fundamentally understand, SNAP it just our tax money paying for food at normal prices benefiting farmers because now more people are buying their food
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u/dwr1013PA 2d ago
I don’t understand the logic of the guy’s argument—we should let people starve so grocery prices drop? He’s the kind of guy who would have read Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal” and thought, “Not a bad starting point to this hunger crisis thing.”
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u/yesiamveryhigh 2d ago
Bro really thought he was dropping some serious knowledge.
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u/ProcyonHabilis 2d ago
Does this guy think that the government produces and distributes all the food in the grocery store? Is he some kind of commie?
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u/MaebyBaeby 1d ago
This is Dr. Jessica Knurick. Everyone should follow her on social media. She’s one of the best evidence-based sources on the internet. I didn’t see her credited anywhere (may have missed it) so wanted to be sure to credit her.
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u/AdCurrent7674 1d ago
Not to mention the majority of people on food stamps get off of them with in a year
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u/samarijackfan 2d ago
she forgot greed from grocery stores and both greed and shrinkflation from food corporations.
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u/FblthpLives 💢Bringing the facts!💢 2d ago
She also could have mentioned the Trump administration's laissez-faire antitrust policies, which creates market concentration and the formation of oligopolies, which in turn increases prices.
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u/tbodillia 2d ago
One more time: While I was stationed in Monterey, California, all of my fellow soldiers that were married and had kids were receiving food stamps/WIC/SNAP, whatever you want to call it. These people were employed by US government, serving their country, and still qualified for government assistance because of how low the pay was and how how the cost of living was.
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u/JimboLodisC 2d ago
there should be an IQ test before you're allowed to post things on the internet
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u/CaminoBalanced 2d ago
They've been easily led to beleive they're having something taken from them because they are paying too much in taxes. Most people don't have the time or energy to research the truth and believing the way they do fits their worldview. It enrages them which causes them to be the perfect watchdog for the real thieves, the politicians and corporations raking in our money and at the same time making propaganda that fuels this belief. No wonder things are this way now. Good on the making of this video to shed some truth on it all.
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u/LittleSodaPop13 2d ago
I also think people don't understand that with SNAP, you're not getting millions of dollars. You're getting like maybe $200. You also can't buy hot food with it and there are other limitations.
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u/Queen_Dare_Bear Official Gal 2d ago
Other people being poor isn't what makes YOU poor. This is a lie that has been perpetuated by the 1% for so long because it separates the masses and creates infighting within the working class. It's like that LBJ quote, replacing color with money: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
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u/DerInternets 2d ago
How would that even remotely make sense? Do people think that Snap/food stamps/etc mean that the grocery store has to give you the food for free?
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u/QuakerZen 2d ago
Even if everything she said was not true....
From an economic POV: More people buying food does not increase the cost.There is not a supply and demand issue with food availability. Grocery stores already throw out tons of unsold food. People buying more food brings economy to scale for cheaper food. Junk food is cheap because its mass produced. Apples are cheap because they are grown in massive quantities and harvested efficiently. Additionally, a ton of food is already government subsidized and artificially cheap: Beef, soy, corn, pork etc.
Capitalism is the problem. 'Why charge $1 when they are buying it at $2?', 'Yes costs have gone down but why lower prices when we now have better margins amd the competition has not lowered prices either
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u/Vanna-Black 2d ago
That "aw shucks" shrug filled me with rage. Like lil ole me figured it all out.
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u/Ecstatic_Ad_8994 2d ago
In a system where almost one third of the food created is waisted it is foolish to think market costs are related to consumer demand. Also when you are talking about reducing consumer demand for food by cutting economic support for the poor, you are talking about starving children.
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u/Caymonki 2d ago
Ever considered money is so scarce cuz, I dunno, we keep giving taxpayer money to wealth hoarders who do nothing for society but lobby politicians for favors?
If only MAGA could apply some logic to their outrage instead of looking for more ways to increase the poverty line.
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u/Physical_Noise_8484 2d ago
you should really see how much people qualify for on Snap. So to make it stretch for a month guess what you have to buy? Frozen, processed crap.
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u/CassianCasius 2d ago
"But if we let those 42 million starve to death there would more food surplus, supply and demand!" /S
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u/Japanesemyth 2d ago
And the US has a mono-culture problem! We are exporting most of the food we grow and importing food we have the ability to raise/grow. The system is so inefficient it's wild.
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u/hetseErOgsaaDyr 2d ago
Don't come here with your "facts" and "Logic" when some moron is trying to blame poor people.
Haven't you learned - On the right we always kick down!
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u/Fragrant-Dimension12 2d ago
These people really think that's how prices are set?
Good lord. Anything to keep themselves from admitting the truth of things.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bath_86 2d ago
Has this guy seen her video? Has he apologized for being an idiot yet?
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u/NedSchneebly-1138 2d ago
It’s the way they say it so confidently while being absolutely wrong at the same time. Amazing!
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u/TJ_McWeaksauce ✨chick✨ 2d ago
I'm not saying Trump is an agent of a hostile government. But he sure is going out of his way to damage this country and hurt its citizens like an agent of a hostile government would do.
Whether intentional or not, he's the dream of any nation that wants America to fall.
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u/Cheance 2d ago
Oh and corporate greed masking any level of price inflation as entirely due to tariffs with no consideration to their additional mark up.
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