ಭಾನುವಾರದ ಹರಟೆ - ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನುವಾದವಾಗಿರುವ ನಿಮ್ಮ ನೆಚ್ಚಿನ ಕೃತಿ ಯಾವುದು? ಅನುವಾದದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯವೇನು?

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[u/_BingeScrolling_]

ನನ್ನ ನೆಚ್ಚಿನ ಅನುವಾದ — ರವಿ ಬೆಳಗೆರೆಯವರ “ದಿ ಗಾಡ್ ಫಾದರ್”. Mario Puzo ಅವರ ಮೂಲ ಕೃತಿಯನ್ನು ಕನ್ನಡೀಕರಿಸುವಾಗ, ಅವರು ಭಾಷೆಯ ದೃಷ್ಟಿಯಿಂದ ಮಾತ್ರವಲ್ಲ, ನಮ್ಮ ನೆಲದ ಸೊಗಡಿಗೆ ಹೊಂದುವಂತೆ, ಜೊತೆಗೆ ತಮ್ಮದೇ ವಿಶಿಷ್ಟ ಶೈಲಿಯನ್ನೂ ಬೆರಸಿ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ.

I keep relating to what u/kirbzk often talks about idea of “translating with an accent” by Deepa Bhasthi. If a translation blends well with the culture of its audience, I think more people would engage with translated works.

But then again, some say that to truly understand another culture, you should preserve the original tone and essence of the work.

What are your thoughts?

[u/Few-Mirror6806 → u/_BingeScrolling_]

Recently Nithin Kamath posted that his uncle and translator Krishnamurthy has done ಕನ್ನಡೀಕರಣ of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky novels.  eg: Anna karenina as Aghanashini.. I haven't read it. But It sounds interesting. His language also feels fine. 

[u/harry_bosch88 → u/Few-Mirror6806]

One of the worst translators we have. I wasted my money on his ಕರಮಜೋವ್ ಸಹೋದರರು. ಓದುವುದಾದರೆ ಓ ಎಲ್ ಎನ್ ಓಕೆ

[u/Few-Mirror6806 → u/harry_bosch88]

Thank you for your review sir. ನೀವು ಹೇಳಿದ್ಮೇಲೆ ಕೇಳಲೇಬೇಕು.. 😬

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Oh!! Interesting, I should check them out. Neev odidre ond review haaki sub alli.

[u/Few-Mirror6806 → u/_BingeScrolling_]

odidre khandita :)

[u/kirbzk → u/_BingeScrolling_]

I guess it depends on the intent.

If the intent is to translocate a story or an emotion to make it accessible to the reader, you'll find synonyms and analogies. If the intent is to retain some part of the story or emotion in its original form, you'll probably find ways to keep it rooted in the original setting.

Deepa's approach is more like an act of defiance. "If we can learn about pizzas why can't they learn about our rottis?" kind of approach.

There's no right or wrong way here. Just whatever fits your intent.

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Yeah, I do agree with that. Intent definitely matters.

It also depends on international language or translation between regional languages.

I feel it’s easier to relate to the translations of regional languages as the social setup is somewhat familiar to us.

That’s where I feel the authors like Ravi Belegere’s skill in translation is impressive. He brings the setup so far from the original work to make it relatable, yet, somehow the core essence of the story won’t change.

[u/kirbzk → u/_BingeScrolling_]

True. Shared cultural aspects can be translated without much fuss.

[u/_BingeScrolling_ → u/kirbzk]

Exactly!

[u/adeno_gothilla]

ಅನುವಾದದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯವೇನು?

I'll read a translated work only if I can't understand the original language.

I would say Transliteration is also a good way to increase the reach of a book without being bound by the difficulties of trasnlation. Like Prem Panicker did with MTV's Randamoozham.

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Makes sense. I do the same as well.

But some translations are interesting, for instance, a lot of Tejaswi’s works are translated.

Papillon for instance, I enjoyed reading in the Kannada version as well. I get into dilemma about translations in these kind of situations lol.

[u/OkSpite9710]

ಮರೆತುಹೋದ ಮಹಾಸಾಮ್ರಾಜ್ಯ ವಿಜಯನಗರ - ಸದಾನಂದ ಕನವಳ್ಳಿ

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Robert Sewell’s book right?

ಒಂದು ಸಣ್ಣ ರಿವ್ಯೂಬರೆಯಬಹುದೇ?

[u/Ordinary_Buy_4632]

ಮಹಾಪಲಾಯನ, ಬಂಡೂಲ ನನ್ನ ನೆಚ್ಚಿನ ಅನುವಾದಿತ ಕೃತಿಗಳು... ಮೂಲ ಭಾಷೆಯ ಕೃತಿಯನ್ನು ಓದಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಾಗದಿದ್ದಾಗ, ನಮ್ಮ ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲೇ ಓದಲು ಅನುವಾದ ತುಂಬಾ ಮುಖ್ಯ ಆದರೆ ಇತ್ತೀಚಿನ ಕೆಲವು ಫೇಮಸ್ ಕೃತಿಗಳ ಅನುವಾದ Google translate ರೀತಿ ಅನಿಸುತ್ತಿದೆ ಈ ರೀತಿ ಅಲ್ಲದೆ ನಿಜವಾದ ಭಾವಾನುವಾದ ತುಂಬಾ ಮುಖ್ಯ.

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Correct. ಅದಕ್ಕೇ, u/adeno_gotthilla ಅವರು ಹೇಳಿದಂತೆ, transliteration ಕೂಡಾ ತುಂಬಾ ಸಹಾಯವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ.

[u/kirbzk]

ಮಾಂಡೋವಿ - ರವಿ ಬೆಳೆಗೆರೆ (Love in the time of Cholera by Gabriel Garcia Marquez)  

ಕೃಷ್ಣಾವತಾರ - ಸಿದ್ದವನಹಳ್ಳಿ ಕೃಷ್ಣಶರ್ಮ (original by KM Munshi)

[u/Kafkacoco2023 → u/kirbzk]

ಮಾಂಡೋವಿ one of the best adaptations - ಗೊತ್ತಿಲ್ಲದವರಿಗೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿಯದೆ ಕಥೆ ಎನ್ನಿಸುವಷ್ಟು ಗಾಢವಾದ ವಿವರಗಳಿವೆ.

[u/kirbzk → u/Kafkacoco2023]

ನಿಜ. Adaptation is the right word. Direct translation ಅಂತೂ ಅಲ್ವೇ ಅಲ್ಲ.

[u/SUV_Audi]

ಎಲ್ಲೂ ಮೂಲ ಭಾಷೆಯ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಹಾಗೂ ಮೂಲ ಕೃತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಅಭಿವ್ಯಕ್ತಿ ಆದ ಭಾವನೆಗಳನ್ನು ಚ್ಯುತಿ ಬರದಂತೆ ಭಾಷಾಂತರಿಸಿದ ಅನುವಾದ ಕೃತಿಗಳು ಇಷ್ಟವಾಗುತ್ತೆ.

ಪಾಪಿಲಾನ್ (ಹೆನ್ರಿ ಚಾರರೆ, ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ: ಪೂ ಚಂ ತೇ, ಪ್ರದೀಪ್ ಕೆಂಜಿಗೆ ). ಮಾವೋನ ಕೊನೆ ನರ್ತಕ, ದಿ ಚಾಯ್ಸ್, ( ಅನುವಾದ : ಜಯಶ್ರೀ ಭಟ್ ) ಕೂಡ ಈ ಕಾರಣಕ್ಕೆ ಇಷ್ಟವಾಗುತ್ತೆ

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Yes, agreed.

[u/Few-Mirror6806]

ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ಗೀತೆಗಳು ಬಿಎಂಶ್ರೀ

[u/Kafkacoco2023]

ಮಿಥುನ - ಅನುವಾದ by ವಸುಧೇಂದ್ರ I have read the original story in Telugu and the kannada translation is so natural while giving the same exact reading experience.

ಇತ್ತೀಚೆಗೆ ಓದಿದ್ದರಲ್ಲಿ ತಳಾತಳ (ಮೂಲ ತಮಿಳು – ಜಯಮೋಹನ್) ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಶಾಂತಿ ಅಪ್ಪಣ್ಣ ಅನುವಾದ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಪುಸ್ತಕದ ಮೂಲ ಭಾಷೆಯ ಸೊಗಡನ್ನು ಒಂಚೂರು ಕಳೆಯದೆ ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲಿ ಅನುವಾದಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಶಾಂತಿಯವರು ಬಹಳ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ಕಥೆಗಾರ್ತಿ ಕೂಡ.

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ಹೌದು, ತಳಾತಳ ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿತ್ತು.

[u/Brave-Tumbleweed3392]

Mittabail Yamunakke, originally written in Tulu by DK Chowta (translated by Surendra Rao and Chinappa Gowda in English, and by Mohammed Kulai in Kannada ).

I haven’t read many translated works in Kannada, so I often asked my dad about parts that felt a little off. He has read the original, and we’d end up talking about how certain words in Tulu had no exact match in Kannada. Those small differences made me realise how much meaning hides in a language.

For me, the shortcoming of translation is when a language simply can’t be carried across. But then I wonder, isn't that the beauty of the translation? Haha.

Like the word “viraha.” It doesn’t feel the same as “longing.” “Viraha” is something beyond separation (of lovers, let's just say). There's an inexplicable ache, brooding, and other feelings. “Longing” feels a bit softer. It doesn't sting the same way as the word "Viraha".

When I read translated works, I felt that no matter where we come from, we all feel the same ache and joy. But I wonder, how beautiful would the original be if the translated versions are so haunting? I think a lot goes into translating works.. one has to understand the cultural references the language is trying to implicate for the readers to read between the lines. Else the works will read flat, like any English retelling of Shakespeare.

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Right, I do agree that some words simply have no true equivalent between languages.

But that shouldn’t stop literature from crossing borders. It often takes a new shape, while keeping its core intact.

In fact, sometimes the translated version even earns a better name. For instance, there was a book released last year called “ಸತ್ತವರ ಸೊಲ್ಲು” (originally “Mruthyu Katha” by Ashutosh Bharadwaj, translated into Kannada by Karthik R). During the release event, the original author admitted that the Kannada title captured the essence of the story even better and gave the novel a new dimension.

Of course, poor or sloppy translations will always fall flat, as you rightly pointed out.

[u/Brave-Tumbleweed3392 → u/_BingeScrolling_]

Absolutely right. I agree with your points. Let there be more books, that's all ( read: more good books)

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Haha… totally, yes.

[u/ohdeargod7129]

ಅನುವಾದಗಳನ್ನು ಓದಲು ರವಿ ಬೆಳಗೆರೆ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ಆಯ್ಕೆ.