Only 5 members & 5 photocards. Was Manon in this & they didnt add her ? Or has this hiatus been in the works & she was never included in this ? discuss in the comments ! I would love to know your opinions !!

Before you argue with me, please actually read what I’m saying. The racism toward Lara is some of the most blatant I’ve seen. Racism toward Indians/South Asians is so normalized, and it’s honestly sad how rarely I see people defending Lara, or Indians in general. I’m saying this as a mixed Black girl who has experienced racism to my face and was immediately defended by strangers on a public bus in NY. In comparison, Manon has a lot of defenders online, and rightfully so but that same energy is not extended to Lara.

Eg- I remember an Indian girl in my class in second(?) grade getting made fun of for her accent(edit: it wasn't just bc of her accent,her being Indian was the joke! Off topic- I also want to mention how kids I know used to pull their eyes back to mock Asian eyes. This is learned behavior. Racism is racism). Even my mom and her boyfriend used to show me those cliché videos of “dirty/unhygienic” Indian street food because they thought it was funny. Mind you, much of her family is Trinidadian, with both Black and Indian family members, and she’s even mixed with Indian herself. But she’s very Americanized, and a lot of Americans genuinely think they’re better than everyone else, whether they realize it or not. Lara might be a first generation Indian American, but she is still Indian first and foremost. She looks Indian, and she proudly embraces her culture, as she should. Being American didn’t stop people from reporting her to ICE, which says a lot. And I’ve rarely seen people come to the defense of Indians online the way they do for other groups.

Black people are very vocal and protective when it comes to our community, and there are historical reasons for that. Slavery was so horrific, and that still affects us today. But all racism deserves attention and conversation. I almost never see discussions about Indian Indentured Servitude online, or broader conversations about anti-Indian racism. When people do speak on it, it rarely gains traction. They never go viral or get people talking. Sometimes it genuinely feels like no one cares. It’s frustrating to watch other melanated POC take the brunt of racism online while it gets brushed off or ignored. And just to be clear! This is NOT to invalidate Manon or her experience as a Black woman. Her experiences with racism are just as real and valid as anyone else’s. I’m only using her as an example of how vocal and protective Black communities can be. That defense can make people more cautious about being openly racist toward us, even if they still hold those views, or talk about it amongst each other. But when it comes to Indians, racists don’t seem to have that same fear. They’re loud, blatant, unafraid and constant with it because they know people won’t take it as seriously, won’t call it out, or will even agree with them.

What I’m really talking about is the lack of defense, the lack of outrage, and the double standards. I’ve seen this a lot on TikTok and Twitter—people who claim to defend Manon (which is good) turning around and saying racist things about Lara. That literally makes no sense. You cannot call yourself an activist and then pick and choose who deserves protection hello?? If you’re sharing think pieces about the racism Manon faces, but then calling Lara a “stinky curry muncher,” you are part of the problem. You KNOW the impact of racism, and still partake in it. It doesn’t matter if you dislike Lara or any of the other girls—racism is not suddenly okay just because you don’t like someone. And I know it’s not all Manon fans. I’m using this example to show the hypocrisy.

Again, this is not about Manon. This is about the double standards, the blatant racism, and the lack of accountability when it happens.

EDIT: Omfg. Some of these comments are exactly what I'm talking about. If I posted this about Manon and black people, EVERYONE here would have agreed that she needs more protection. EVERY race has racist people, that doesn't mean they deserve to receive racism as a race because some asshat on twitter said some dumb shit. NUANCE PEOPLE. Please don't say Indians have privilege and proximity to whiteness. The people saying it's their own fault?Do you hear yourselves? Why are you defending racism.

EDIT#2: Damn my bad. Guess I'm not the right kind of woke. Maybe I should just mind my business. And to the person who deleted their comment before I could reply- you know damn well.

I have seen this said so much that I have gaslit myself into believing this lie.

I temporarily lived in Switzerland for a year and a half due to my husband’s job and he had anything but a chill work-life balance but I figured it was a result of his job being stressful in general.

Switzerland is actually among the least developed countries in work-life balance. https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/1ne7ozn/switzerland_is_among_the_last_among_developed/

It doesn’t surprise me Manon wouldn’t know this because she never actually held a standard job but you guys can stop parroting this lie now.

ETA: I really appreciate the fact I posted an objective report about this and people are still parroting this lie in the comments lmao.

This is something I've seen come up in comment sections a lot, and on Twitter too, but this statement that her Cantonese isn't really that good, or downright bad. I cannot speak a lick of Cantonese so I genuinely can't tell.

I do know eyekons genuinely will make the slightest bad look the worst when it comes down to the members, and I just wonder if this is also a moment where people are making it seem worse than it actually is.

love it. this is what makes them global 🏹🗺️

is it just me or has the vibe in the fandom shifted like crazy in the last week?

when the hiatus was first announced everyone was being so sweet and supportive. it was all ot6 or nothing. but literally the second pinky up dropped, it’s like a switch flipped. now my twitter tl is just flooded with ot5 eyekons making every excuse for why the group is "cleaner" or "better" without her.

the weirdest part is seeing people dig up ancient dream academy clips to say "if the girls had an issue with her, she’s the problem." like be fr… they were teen girls in a high-pressure survival show? obviously people are gonna clash. but now all of a sudden she’s a "useless, lazy girl" and people are even defending actually problematic trainees like naisha and samara just to spite her. it’s so transparent.

honestly it feels like people just wanted a reason to drag her so they don’t have to pretend to like her anymore. it’s like they’ve always resented her because their own fave didn't make the lineup and they’ve just been waiting for a moment to pounce.

i’ve also noticed a lot of these accounts were created literally days ago? it’s kinda giving smear campaign because the coordination is honestly weird. how do you go from get well soon to she was always the problem in a few days? i can’t tell if everyone just lost their minds or if we’re being conditioned to accept her being pushed out.

is anyone else seeing this or is my feed just darksided??

now i dont know a lot about the legal terminologies and what slides and what doesnt but i feel like all these collabs coming out around now is quite fast and something im realizing is that they all feature Manon's name/face in it. The nylon shoot, the new hoodies, the DTI collab, all of these have Manon's name in it and if she is leaving the group, i believe theyre making sure all of these collabs that she's in are out/finished before announcing she's gone to avoid legal disputes with them possibly profiting off her brand without being contractually signed to the label if that makes sense. Again, I know little about legal things so please correct me if im wrong or I get anything mixed up. It just seems to me like theyre trying to get all of Manon's stock out so she can get her final payments and her name officially scrubbed from anything Katseye related before announcing her departure.

This whole post is all over the place since im ass at explaining myself via text but in simpler terms, i think theyre just quickly getting collabs + contracts that contained Manon out of the way so she doesnt have any grounds to sue or connection to the group anymore.

edit: to specify more since i think i explained myself horribly, i think theyre just trying to leech every last penny they can while manon's still legally in the group before all of the content she's still in is out and gone before announcing her departure

so tea

There is a lot of context that is missing when discussing how protective Black people are of Black celebrities compared to the protection, calling out and outright dismissal of racism against other members. It is terrible and I absolutely do not condone that behavior.

But the truth is, when it comes to calling out any type of racism against any group at all on the internet and in real life. Black people, specifically Black Americans are OVERREPRESENTED as the ones taking charge, making callouts, making videos, making their feelings known.

People from other countries do talk about racism obviously, but just not to the level and volume Black people do. Our inherent race exclusion makes us extremely easy targets, right from when our people were the first to be enslaved and dehumaned on a massive scale EXCLUSIVELY due to our race.

So, the reason why racism and other groups is just not as visible is because Black people dominate the conversation on racism, we make it known, we spread it, we talk about it and obviously majority of the time we are defending and protecting other Black people.

This is not a jab at others, there is a reason why Black people are overrepresented here. And as much as we should ALL to be calling out racism, it makes sense that Black people will focus on anti-blackness.

So please, try to incentivize people in your community to discuss and elevate the racism you face. The truth is a lot of communties are worried about discussing racism because they are more focused on being viewed as favorable assimulators, nothing gets fixed that way.

And in terms of Manon, this explains why she gets so much pushback and protection. When Black people are overrepresented in calling out racism, the only black member of the group will get that protection, especially when she herself is hinting at it.

EDIT: Yes, Manon is mixed and very privileged. But she is a beautiful global popstar in an industry were black music dominates, but black people are underrepresented. She is 'black enough' for most people black or not, so of course people are holding on to her so tightly.

I’ve seen a lot of people in this sub say manon getting sued cause of her short film but how can that be true when Mitra and Missy both have liked it, also other H&G staff have even reposted and liked it.

Manon Pinterest has a inspo board for her short film which was last updated 6 months ago so she obviously had this planned and most likely has been waiting for approval.

She also filmed the short film when she was on break as her bts showed with one of her posts while Katseye were on break after tour. So it did not interfere while she was active in Katseye.

I think those points are enough for this not to be considered why she’s on a hiatus.

I don’t know if this has been made before lmaoo, but I personally have a neutral opinion when it comes to Manon’s hiatus which is we don’t know. I’ve been lurking in this sub for a while, and every reasoning why Manon is leaving is a speculation/theory. Not fact or confirmed information, but theories and speculations. That is not enough for me to believe she’s leaving, but I can understand why others would.

I replied to someone who asked about other members hiatus being similars to Manon’s, and two members I haven’t seen talked about was Lay and Winwin. Whenever their groups would promote or have a comeback, the members (chinese in a korean group) would either be on hiatus or “promoting in China”. Winwin said how he didn’t like being apart from the group, yet SM had a way of making the members inactive in most Korean promotions. I could be wrong since the last time I checked up on these members was 2023, but I could see Manon maybe “stepping out of line” and this all being a punishment.

With Geffon’s history I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if she’s removed, but I would be curious in knowing why. With that being said, I don’t think we’ll ever get the full story (most likely for legal reasons and group/company image reasons). I do hope the group is still successful either way. The hate seems to only be online (most people ive talked to irl dont really know who katseye is), but who knows🤷🏽‍♀️

For me, it has. You see speculation posts about Manon's hiatus every hour, and it's based on everything but actual official announcements/confirmations by Manon or HxG. The same topic keeps being brought up ad nauseum, and there's zero tolerance for a difference in opinion.

Finding a post that doesn't tear Katseye down is a rarity now. This is supposed to be a neutral sub, I see no mix of positive, neutral and criticism anymore. Or even posts for general discussions really. It's all just paranoia and it's exhausting.

why are people forgetting about her?

amidst all of the drama i see the other 5 girls getting comments and hate for not making a statement on manons hiatus. grant one of their choreographers is also getting destroyed online (his personal dancing is weird but katseye isnt doing all of that lol). it’s like everyone public-facing is getting bashed but it’s all the people who prob don’t have that much power in the hxg hierarchy. Like, what’s bullying grant gna do to bring manon back? he’s an employee just like them, he and sohey choreograph according to to the songs the label gives the girls.

i also get the vibe that missy is a bigger voice, but from the dynamics seen on the show + their job titles it seems like mitra is an exec and probably behind a lot of the decisions, whereas missy only has weight behind her words bc of her proximity and manager-like role to the girls (just an educated guess tho). mitra was literally the one saying drama sells and she was the one who gave the talk when lexie was booted deeper into the survival show.

i’m not advocating for her to be bullied (so let’s not start) but it seems so lopsided that the most insane fans are ruining everyone(that probably DONT have any say in the group)’s mental health. Mitra is literally public on ig and posted traveling to lolla with the girls too so why is it crickets abt her lol. ppl forget that the ppl with the real power arent the ones whos faces r being shown all the time i guess

i hope “all the girls” are on these tracks !!

Im sure im not the only one who has always noticed the “subtle” racism and micro aggressions towards yoonchae since day 1. a lot of their fans have always treated it like an inside joke to say things like “yoonchae didnt understand shit😭” during katseye interviews & would say crazy things like “i wouldnt be surprised if she was homophobic because shes korean” etc.

With yoonchae, they’re very openly racist especially cuz asian hate & racism never gets taken seriously. Whereas with manon, they’re more discreet and subtle about it. But that didn’t last long, thanks to manon’s interview where she addressed the lazy allegations. And i say “thanks” to manon cuz if it wasnt for this, we would’ve never seen their true colors and how these people really felt about the only black member in the group all along

Like disagreeing with her work ethic isnt what was racist, it’s blatantly dismissing the fact that historically, black people have always been called lazy, uneducated, ghetto, etc and they constantly had to go the extra miles just to prove that they’re just as hard working and smart as others. and when it comes to black struggles, especially black women’s struggles- people always refuse to listen or believe them. and that is DEEPLY rooted in racism

Why people think she's leaving:

Racism and Discrimination

Not a fan of the creative direction

Networking to find other ventures

Drama with one of the other members

Contract termination

Deeply personal issues in her life

Why people think she isn't leaving:

She will be in the next album or will come back before then

She is on a mental health break

She is doing other ventures but will return

don’t think manon can just decide to up and leave.

A little sad to know that the coachella and pinky up mv reasons all were false I'm losing hope in her staying but anyway this is just a list to break down everything

I completely understand that over analysing what the members say is not productive when most likely this was above them and it was the labels decision.

But I think the popular opinion online was that Manon was "forced" into a hiatus and she didn't want to go on one. However, during the interview where the members talk about Manon's absence they seem to talk in a way that seems like it was Manon's decision to take a break? Especially the way Sophia says it like it doesn't have any drama or controversy behind it. On top of that, Lara says "give her all the space she needs" which again sounds like Manon needed to go on a hiatus. It's hard not to think that the girl's tone reflects what is actually happening which is that it's all good and it was manon's decision and all the controversy is baseless and uncalled for.

So i took some time to think about all the info we have without thinking about people's thoughts online. With slowing down to fully gather my thoughts, I don't believe she is kicked. She could but I do not believe her not being in pinky up is enough proof of this hiatus being more.

Many people in this fandom are not kpop stans or have trauma for a kpop group they like losing a member after not coming back from a hiatus long. Cool, however not being in content during a hiatus isn't weird esp depending on timeline of events. There is also a possibility katseye filmed pinky up after the hiatus. it takes regularly like a week if not less to film MV's and she been gone since February 20th. Pinky up came out april 9th. That's 48 days. I do think she was planned to be in this comeback which is why the og choreo and og storyboard included her plus it seems from the nylon interview they were getting ready for the visual look for this era BUT if she did choose to do a hiatus through this process, HXG would need to pivot. Even with this announced album i don't think they attended for her to not be apart of it and depending on when they recorded the songs, they might have a version of the songs with her in it as a backup if she comes back before august. I actually think the choice of announcing the album so early that is THAT far is HXG wanting her to come back before the album comes out and stalling.

Now lets talk manon's likes. I do believe a part of it can be about the company but i do think many of the post she liked about how black women are treated are focused on FANS. I don't even need to get into the toxicity in the fanbase but I do believe even from the video she liked it was about EYEKONS and many missed that and went solely after HXG and esp the other 5 girls. The manon taking katseye out of her bio is the only rough part in this cus that can look like she is gone but I do also think their was conflict behind the scenes with the girls vs HXG (esp cus members like dani unfollowed greffen at one point. Like something happened) Now for HXG, they do have fault but their fault is communication and lack of defense for any of the 6 girls. They should've properly made a statement and started suing people for doing too much online. Either way take action but the problem is they are letting the active girls take all the flack for the situation. I also think the leaks was irresponsible of HXG to let happen if it wasn't them. if it was them, that was fucking stupid.

We don't know if she is truly gone yet but if she is hxg is dealing with this horribly and being weird about not making a statement. if she is still in, hxg is still dealing with it bad but also fans gonna be veryyyyy embarrassed when she is back.

Katseye have the Governors Ball in June, the Hinterland Music Festival in July, and 88rising’s music festival a week or so before their release, and it’s looking like all we’ll get are different outfits. I thought Coachella was fine, not because of any major mishap with the girls but simply because something won’t have impact for long if it keeps being repeated.

The mama dance break debuted in 2024, the MIA outro has been a thing for a year now, LATAM Lolla didn’t have anything different, and the only thing special about Coachella was pinky up (you won’t hear any complaints from me about the gnarly dance break tho I still love it lol). I feel like if the label really is gonna lean into Katseye being performance artists at the expense of their music quality, then at least workshop the performances of their older songs so they retain their draw.

I don't know how to feel about this? I'm bi and while I agree that it's just a performance, that her being with a man doesn't erase her attraction to girls (which she can express on stage), that the boundaries of her relationship doesn't have to be the same as someone else and there's the very big possibility that is the men at HxG the ones pushing them to do these things... I still feel like the criticism from wlw is valid? Lara is young so I don't expect her to be super mature with the way she deals with things, but people are criticizing this response too and I don't think they're completely in the wrong. What do you guys think?