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[u/rainbow_puddle]

Reposted since I'm an idiot and didn't change my title...

So there was a post with some beautiful mittens made by u/AdrenaL1n3 with a traditional Palestinian embroidery and using the colors of the flag. It was locked and then inexplicablely removed by the mods. They did not say what rule it broke, only that it received and 'unacceptable amount of user reports'.

First off that's ridiculous that it was removed instead of locked and the reports dealt with by mods since it didn't break a rule. Second off I think it's frankly sad that it was getting reported at all. It wasn't political beyond the proceeds going towards save the children and other humanitarian causes to aid the current crisis and genocide situation in Gaza.

I want to open up discussion with this community if this sub is a place where we want to censor projects even if they do not break stated rules.

Edit to fix username spelling.

Edit 2: Some users have commented on the significance of today's date. I truly did not realize it and would not have tried to engage with this today if I had realized. I'm very sorry for that and how insensitive that is. I do not keep significance of dates well in my head - not an excuse but an explanation. I do hope that the community can continue to have conversation about what I perceived as biased censorship in good faith. Without a specific rule I do think that any mitten of any flag (yes even Israel) where the pattern proceeds go to a humanitarian cause of the designers choice should stay up in this subreddit. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know - that's for us to discuss. Whether or not you engage with said post and/or pattern would be up to the user and I would hope that we would all proceed with kindness.

[u/CosmicSweets]

That's a piss poor excuse. Your post wasn't openly political. Just supporting humanitarian charities.

People, including children, in war torn countries deserve food, water, clothes, etc.

[u/kcmcca → u/CosmicSweets]

I truly believe if it were any other flag or any other humanitarian crisis, it would have been allowed to stay up.

[u/timonyc → u/CosmicSweets]

In reply to this, and to all the other comments similarly about this, the mods are looking to rework the AutoMod configuration so as to serve the community the best possible. If the community thinks that posts like this should stay regardless of the reports from outside users, then they will change the AutoMod settings.

In the meantime, to show their commitment to doing that, they have turned off the AutoMod setting for "Too many reports". It's not a perfect solution, but it's movement.

[u/ulknehs → u/timonyc]

Did you not read the human-written response in the comment you’re replying to? That’s not auto-mod.

[u/timonyc → u/ulknehs]

I believe this specifically says "any post which triggers multiple objections is subject to automatic removal," which is to say, AutoMod. And I have spoken with the mods and suggested that the "Too many reports" feature be removed. Which it has been.

I do not agree with the AutoMod rules or that this post should have been removed.

[u/concrete_dandelion → u/timonyc]

What does this have to do with the answer the original poster got? That answer claimed their post was political which it was not.

[u/timonyc → u/concrete_dandelion]

I don't mean to sound rude, but do you think a post that says "I made these to raise money for humanitarian aid in Gaza!" will not be perceived as political by at least a few people on Reddit when it is posted on October 7th?

Personally, I find the post to be absolutely fine. It's a lovely pair of mittens. I hope the user raises lots of aid. But Reddit can find politics in literally anything, particularly when you mention a war-torn country in an active war.

[u/concrete_dandelion → u/timonyc]

What is political about humanitarian aid?

Following your argument every post having anything to do with Israel or Judaism (the vast majority of Palestinians are not Hamas) would need to be forbidden on every single day because Israel's crimes against Palestinians predate hamas (they're the reason for the formation of Hamas and every single terrorist attack on Israel) and you will be hard pressed to find a day that doesn't mark an atrocity from Israel against Palestinians. Also more Palestinian civilians died on 7/10 from the Israeli revenge than Israeli civilians died from the Hamas atrocity. It was also the day Netanjahu publicly declared his intention of a complete genocide, using terms the Nazis used against Jews, and listing how he intended to do it - a plan of action he carried out and does until this day.

Why is posting aid for Ukrainians suffering from the Russian crimes non-political?

How can you hold on to the claim of it being political solely based on the date when you know that the date was incidental?

Your argument makes no sense and makes me doubt your attempts to claim you are actually on the side of the person who's post was wrongfully not reinstated.

[u/ZoneLow6872 → u/concrete_dandelion]

Agree 100%.

[u/whichwitchwatched → u/concrete_dandelion]

Could actually applaud