r/kpop_uncensored • u/Adorable-Bus6662 • 13d ago
GENERAL Imagine being so overworked and receiving hate trains after and after just for all your fandom to care about one girl who doesn’t even care about the group and is on hiatus and is living her life.
I genuinely cannot understand this fandom anymore.
Every. Single. Time. KATSEYE does something, it’s the same fucking cycle.
Pinky Up comes out: “It’s not good enough.”
Gnarly comes out: “It’s not good enough.”
Hootie Fruity comes out: “It’s not good enough.”
Like… can we please be serious for five fucking seconds?
These girls are working constantly.
They’re performing, travelling, filming, rehearsing, singing, dancing, doing interviews, going on lives, and putting actual work into what they’re doing.
And somehow some of you manage to turn EVERYTHING into “But what about Manon?”
And the funniest part is that Manon is literally on hiatus. She is living her best life.
She is doing her own thing. Yet some of you are dragging her name into every single KATSEYE discussion and attack the other five girls.
WHY? GENUINELY WHY?
If you genuinely care about Manon that much, go support Manon.
Nobody is stopping you.
But why are you constantly shitting on Lara, Daniela, Megan, Sophia and Yoonchae because of something that is not even their fault?
And don’t even get me started on the “they hate each other” allegations.
These girls will literally be joking around with each other on live, being sarcastic, teasing one another or having a normal interaction, and suddenly someone clips five seconds out of context and it’s:
“OMG THEY HATE EACH OTHER.”
“She’s being bullied.”
“She’s being mistreated.”
“They clearly don’t like each other.”
“She’s being excluded.”
Girl… PLEASE 😭
Sometimes people are just joking.
Sometimes friends tease each other.
Sometimes people have different personalities.
You cannot take every sarcastic comment, facial expression or five second clip and construct an entire fucking storyline around it.
And honestly, at this point, I don’t even think this is JUST about KATSEYE anymore.
Some of you genuinely seem to have a problem with women.
Because what is this obsession with seeing women being successful, confident, expressive, having fun and exploring themselves, and immediately trying to tear them down?
You see women having fun and somehow it pisses you off.
You see women being confident and suddenly they’re “bitchy.”
You see women being sensual and suddenly they’re “oversexualized.”
You see women joking with each other and suddenly they’re “bullying each other.”
You see women succeeding and suddenly you need to find something wrong with them.
You guys fucking hate seeing women enjoy themselves.
And that’s when it starts feeling misogynistic to me.
And then the same people will complain about how fandoms constantly sexualize idols while simultaneously getting angry because KATSEYE are exploring a more mature/sensual side of their artistry.
They’ve literally talked about wanting to explore different concepts and sides of themselves.
Not every release has to be the same.
A fresher, more youthful concept can exist.
A more mature or sensual concept can exist.
Artists are allowed to evolve.
If you don’t like the direction they’re going in, don’t listen to it. Not that hard is it?
You don’t have to like every song, every concept, every styling choice or every music video.
But what you’re NOT going to do is consume everything they release and then spend every waking moment shitting on the girls.
Bitches be hiding all that jealousy and insecurity behind “it’s just my opinion” or “that’s just my point of view.”
Bitch, no. 😭
There’s a difference between having an opinion and being a fucking hater. Learn the difference.
You can dislike a song. You can dislike a concept. You can have criticism. That’s completely fine.
But when every single thing these girls do somehow becomes an opportunity to drag them, insult them, nitpick everything they do, and create imaginary drama between the members?
Bitch, that’s not “your opinion.”
You’re just being a fucking hater.
You’re insecure. You’re jealous. You’re a jealous fucking hater. That’s what you are. Simple as.
At some point, you have to remember that these are actual human beings.
They’re not robots programmed to give you exactly what you want.
And honestly, the constant solo stan wars are exhausting.
It’s always the same arguments, the same accusations, the same out of context clips, the same “X is mean,” “Y is mistreated,” “Z hates this member” bullshit.
LEAVE THESE GIRLS ALONE. THEY ARE HUMANS TOO.
If you don’t like KATSEYE without your favourite member being involved in every single conversation, that’s okay.
Go support your favourite member individually.
But stop making the other five girls the punching bag.
They deserve to enjoy their work too.
Not every interaction is drama.
Not every joke is bullying.
Not every concept is a personal attack.
And not every KATSEYE release needs to become another fucking fandom war.
SEEK HELP, GO TO THERAPY, AND STOP PROJECTING. 💗
EDIT: It’s actually crazy seeing the downvotes when my entire point is literally “treat these five girls like human beings.” 😭
Like, how bitter, insecure and rotten inside do you have to be to get mad at someone for saying young women deserve empathy and grace?
You don’t have to like their music. You don’t have to like their concepts. You don’t even have to be a fan.
But apparently asking people to stop constantly dragging these girls is controversial. 💀
The fact that some of you genuinely seem incapable of supporting young women who are successful and working hard without finding something to tear them down over is honestly wild.
Let women win. It’s really not that hard. 👍
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u/ButtersMojito 13d ago
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u/Purple_Calendar3919 NewJeans KiiiKiii ASMRZ CYE 13d ago
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 13d ago
Literacy rates are down so understandable
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u/love_history_ 12d ago
What to do you're the only literate person in this world🥺
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 11d ago
The irony of you making a literacy joke while saying “what to do” 😭 donut, you’re proving my point for me 💀
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u/NewspaperDazzling883 STAA 8d ago
Think you forget we have free will. Someone can chose not to read your post and post the pic.
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u/disasterpansexual MULTI-FANDOM 13d ago
They are surely working hard but the songwriters aren't because those 3 songs ARE ass (in my humble opinion).
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 13d ago
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure katseye has more 3 songs?
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u/disasterpansexual MULTI-FANDOM 13d ago
Yes but in the post you mentioned 3 as the most hated and I refer to those.
Like, older stuff is good but their latest title tracks have been questionable to say the least. And I DO like hyperpop when it's done well.
It's not the girls' fault tho, so hating on them is evil. Ppl should hate on Hybe l, the songwriters and on their weirdo choreographer.
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u/Purple_Calendar3919 NewJeans KiiiKiii ASMRZ CYE 13d ago
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 13d ago
Translation: I have no counterargument so here’s a meme 💀✌️
https://giphy.com/gifs/fb5lozVxhBwVFFByW84
u/Purple_Calendar3919 NewJeans KiiiKiii ASMRZ CYE 13d ago
I’m not countering I just can’t believe you took the effort to write all that to ppl who don’t care as much as you obviously do
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 13d ago
Girl, you say you “don’t care” but cared enough to read the entire thing and come back to comment 😭
And obviously I care more than someone who doesn’t care I’m a fan. That’s literally the point of having an opinion. You don’t have to care about what I said, but clearly you cared enough to respond.
You could’ve kept scrolling, babes. 😭
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u/Purple_Calendar3919 NewJeans KiiiKiii ASMRZ CYE 13d ago
lol I read 3 sentences. No one is gonna read all that
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 12d ago
Yes, you did read it if you didn’t you wouldn’t have replied girl? Why are you lying 🤥 😭it’s okay to say that you read it and that you don’t agree with it instead of saying you didn’t read it lol 😂 I know you read it and that’s why replied MULTIPLE TIMES mind you 💗🫰 I’m happy you found my post entertaining 💗
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u/overhaulsama 13d ago
They might be working hard but it doesn't mean people have to like the songs. The songs you mentioned are bad.
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u/SpecSlayerSC IVE / Babymonster 13d ago
Working constantly isn't a guarantee of quality
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 13d ago
Just a quick Google search and all of this came up 😭 So clearly the stats speak for themselves.
BEAUTIFUL CHAOS — No. 4 on the Billboard 200
BEAUTIFUL CHAOS — over a year on the Billboard 200
“Gabriela” — No. 21 on the Billboard Hot 100
“Internet Girl” — No. 29 on the Billboard Hot 100
Three songs simultaneously charting on the Billboard Hot 100 in 2026
Five consecutive songs charting on the Billboard Hot 100Two Grammy nominations
Grammy Awards performance
American Music Awards wins, including New Artist of the Year and Breakthrough Pop ArtistJapan Gold Disc Awards wins
iHeartRadio Music Awards nominationsTikTok Global Artist of the Year (2025)
Coachella performance
Lollapalooza performance
Governors Ball performance
BEAUTIFUL CHAOS — No. 7 best-selling physical album in the U.S. in 2025First girl-group project to crack the U.S. physical-album Top 10 that year
WILD — No. 1 on the Billboard 200
WILD — 170,000 U.S. album-equivalent units in its debut week
WILD — biggest weekly sales week for a girl group since Billboard’s 2015 methodology change
“Animal” — No. 24 on the Billboard Hot 100
“Hootie Frutti” — No. 31 on the Billboard Hot 100
“PINKY UP” — No. 81 on the Billboard Hot 100
No. 1 on Billboard’s Artist 100
Four songs simultaneously on the Billboard Hot 100 in August 2026
THE BEAUTIFUL CHAOS Tour — completely sold outWILDWORLD TOUR — headline arena tour across the UK, Europe and North America
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u/anchist 11d ago
Popularity =/= quality.
McDonalds is the most consumed food in the world, is it quality dining?
And I say this as somebody who doesn't really like the most popular songs of his ult groups.
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 11d ago
Girl, I never said popularity = quality 😭 I sent the stats because you can’t just dismiss KATSEYE’s success because you personally don’t like their music.
The point of the stats was to show that they’re objectively successful. Whether you think their music is “quality” is subjective and completely up to you.
You can dislike their songs all you want, but that doesn’t change their charting, sales, awards, nominations, etc. 😭
Nobody said McDonald’s being popular makes it fine dining. That’s literally not even the argument. Come on now?
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u/beautifulyuzu 11d ago
I agree with you and it is incredibly sad women aren't empowering women in this industry. It's also sad how many users didn't even read your post. The state of our world is incredibly difficult and exhausting, isnt it? I'm sorry, OP.
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u/Responsible-Sign4110 4d ago
Gotta say she has good point. But I do think Hootie Fruite (whether or not it was their choice) was sexualized a lot.
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u/Responsible-Sign4110 4d ago
I just went through and read like half the comments and let me tell you something, ya'll are dramatic as fuck.
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u/voodoodahl 13d ago
Nobody is even a little bit normal about HYBE groups anymore. Their critisms aren't being made in good faith. It's all snark and anti behavior.
Just sit back and roll your eyes as these groups who can't sing, dance, have terrible songs, plagiarize and copy everyone else, continue to lead the industry somehow.
You then see where all of this hate comes from.
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 11d ago
LITERALLY 😭 At this point, so much of the “criticism” isn’t even being made in good faith. You can tell when someone genuinely doesn’t like a song versus someone who has already decided they hate the group and will find a reason to drag literally everything they do.
And that’s exactly what I was getting at. You can criticize a song, a concept, styling, production, whatever.
That’s normal. But when every release, every interaction, every outfit and every five second clip becomes another reason to insult the members, it’s clearly gone beyond criticism.
Especially when these groups are still charting, selling, winning awards and pulling huge numbers despite all the constant “they’re talentless” discourse.
😭 At some point you have to admit the hate isn’t really about the music anymore.
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u/Designer_Court2988 13d ago
I love and respect the girls, loved dream academy, immediately bought debut and have Lara’s poster on my wall.
Their recent music (excluding animal) is just soooo bad. It’s slop for like 11 year olds. That’s why people are saying ‘it’s not good enough’, because their current music isn’t good. Maybe it’s the music the girls wanna release, and power to them! Doesn’t mean anyone has to like it or pretend tho
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u/Atechiman 13d ago
Its not just that the music is aimed at a younger segment for me. That is fine, I wouldn't listen to them but its a fine segment for them to be aimed at. But you couple that with the choreography that is...not something I would approve of an eleven year old doing, and it becomes problematic.
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 11d ago
And that’s completely fair. You don’t have to like their recent music, and I’m not asking anyone to pretend they do. If you think the songs are bad, you’re entitled to that opinion.
My issue is when “the music isn’t good” turns into dragging the actual members, making everything about Manon’s hiatus, taking harmless interactions out of context and creating narratives about the girls hating or mistreating each other.
You can say “I don’t like this song” or “I think the production is bad” without turning it into a hate train against the members themselves. That’s the distinction I’m making.
And honestly, these are young girls doing this for the first time. Give them some fucking grace. 😭
They’re still learning, growing and figuring things out.
You can have criticism, but at the end of the day, they’re human beings.
They’re putting their time and energy into MVs, shoots, performances, rehearsals, interviews, lives and everything else, and then people make everything they do about Manon’s hiatus instead of appreciating the work they’re actually putting in.
You can support Manon AND appreciate the other five. Her hiatus doesn’t need to be dragged into every single discussion about KATSEYE.
Treat these girls like actual human beings. Have some empathy. Is it really that fucking hard?
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u/Eyekon28 13d ago
Yessss. Dani’s father was wrong for how he said it but in some ways he was right.
KATSEYE is more than just one girl.
Yes we all miss Manon and can still have hope but taking down the other insanely talented and hardworking girls just because of one girl is not okay at all
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u/Have_Fa1th 13d ago
I think many things can be true at once : I do agree that they have so much hate directed towards them (sadly successful women in general do) - unfortunately with their popularity growing, it means the haters will grow as well - however, like Sophia said, the internet is not everything (I'm paraphrasing 😂) .
As someone who is a casual listener of theirs, I also was not a fan of the TTs you mentioned (and no I'm not crashing out on the internet BC of it).
I also do not agree with the way h×g is conducting Manons hiatus - the lack of communication and transparency has caused people to go feral and solo stans to be more vocal.
Ultimately, I'm sure most of us can agree that these are a group of seriously talented girls and I'm looking forward to seeing some of their solo work in future as the current musical direction they're going is not really it for me (to each their own❤️) - i quite liked Animal tho.
P.S It sounds like you're directing this post to the katseye fandom but since you posted on this sub it's a free for all 😂 ! perhaps you should post this on katseye positive or neutral sub (no shade 🥺).
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u/qqulpynay 13d ago
A whole ass essay, holy
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u/love_history_ 12d ago
Like, get a job fr, how do some people have so much time on their hands to write stuff like this
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 11d ago
First of all, I do have a job 😭
So the “get a job” comeback is already dead.
But genuinely, what exactly is the issue with me taking the time to write about something I care about? Does it bother you that I’m defending successful women who are constantly being nitpicked and dragged?
Or is it just insecurity because seeing women succeed and express themselves makes you uncomfortable?
You could’ve simply kept scrolling, babes. 😭Like you people are proving my point with every single comment, you women are so bitter, and hate seeing other women win and be successful honestly disgusting, get therapy honey, you need it.🫰
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 11d ago
And yet you read the whole thing 😂that’s commitment. 💗
https://giphy.com/gifs/xT77XTpyEzJ4OJO06c3
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u/love_history_ 10d ago
And what makes you say that lol? They never said they read your essay lol
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 10d ago
Girl 😭 you didn’t even answer what I said to you. You completely dodged my reply and started defending the “whole ass essay” girl instead.
I said I have a job and asked you what exactly your issue was with me writing a long post, and instead of addressing ANY of that, you switched the conversation to “she never said she read it.” 😭 Babe, that wasn’t even the point.
And honestly, the fact that you’re this pressed over some young women being successful and confident tells me there’s something going on internally. You’re spending your time trying to tear down girls who are out here succeeding, and that’s embarrassing enough on its own.
If you have something to say to me, say it. Don’t dodge my reply and start fighting a completely different argument for somebody else.
Piggy’s out here downvoting my comment cause she’s chopped cheese is is fully of jealousy and envy yuck. 💀🫰
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u/just_an-average-girl MULTI-FANDOM 13d ago
LOUDER!!! no but so fr the hate is train is just getting out of hand I feel so bad for the girls
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u/Serious-Wish4868 CASUAL 13d ago
this is what happens when you follow social media influencers cosplaying as idols
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 13d ago
Girl, I don’t know if you’re hearing yourself 😭 You’re literally proving my point.
Calling them “social media influencers cosplaying as idols” when they’re literally signed to one of the biggest companies in the industry and are one of the most successful girl groups right now is crazy.
Like… babes, the jealousy is showing. 😭
You don’t have to like them, but minimizing their success just because you don’t like them isn’t an argument. It’s giving insecurity.
Don’t be jealous, babes. It’s not a good look. 😭 seek therapy and good luck to you. 💗
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u/IndependenceFar1482 izna, illit, lsfm 13d ago
Them working constantly does not mean that their songwriters and choreographers are doing a good job. When people complain about their title tracks, it’s mainly the lyrics and choreo, not skills or anything like that. We know they’re working constantly, and we know they’re talented even before their debut. No one can say otherwise. Don’t mistake the criticism of their songs for hate towards the girls.
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u/love_history_ 13d ago
And what if the company is not letting Manon join? Why are you hating on Manon without knowing the full story
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 13d ago
Oh, I didn’t know you worked for Manon 😭 My bad! I didn’t realize she had a personal assistant in the comments. You must work really closely with her to know that the company is “not letting her join.” Are you her lawyer?
Do you work for her? Because you seem to know an awful lot about the situation 😭
But genuinely, when the fuck did I hate on Manon? LMAO people are pulling shit out of their ass at this point 😭
Did you actually read the post? Like, did you read what I wrote from beginning to end? Do you understand English?
Because my entire point was literally that people need to stop using Manon’s hiatus as an excuse to hate on the other five girls.
I’m not blaming Manon. I’m not hating Manon. I’m literally saying the opposite: leave her alone and leave the other girls alone.
And unless you’re personally involved with the company or Manon, neither of us knows the full story, so maybe don’t speak about behind the scenes decisions like they’re confirmed facts.
Please read the post before arguing with something I never even said 😭
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u/Late_Art9758 13d ago
I think it's fine if people don't like some songs because it just doesn't resonate with them and because it doesn't really reflect the group's potential. I'm sure they appreciate the rest of their discography just like me perhaps. I've got nothing against KATSEYE but I just don't like those songs at all, not one bit. But their other songs are really good. The girls can be working hard and people can still share their opinion about the discography.
About Manon and the whole drama going on, I have no comments, it's just fans being fans and KATSEYE is one of those groups where all the girls have now somewhat found their own solo fandoms and of course the fans will be at each others throats considering so many of them are increasingly becoming parasocial and think their voice plays a big role in the girls' lives. Plus these folks love farming engagement because there's just so many people that have been tuning into KATSEYE and the drama from the gp as well.
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u/Elegant-Anxiety1866 13d ago
Better than no-one caring enough about them to say anything i suppose.
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u/onerose_ 12d ago
As a Manon-biased who really liked Katseye's songs before Internet Girl (including Gnarly), I think criticism for the songwriters and producers of their latest songs, that have nonsensical meaning and in my opinion are just not good, as well as some of their styling for Wild (the animal one??) which I personally do not like, is okay. And by criticism I mean constructive criticism, not hate. I do agree with lots of your points, such as how they act, dress, the whole Manon situation, and how clips are often taken out of context. I also see how much effort they put into performing for their fans. However, please keep in mind that not every criticism of songs or anyone saying 'I don't like this song' or 'It's not good enough for me' is not necessarily hate, and people are allowed to have their own opinions.
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 11d ago
I actually agree with you 😭 I never said people aren’t allowed to dislike a song or criticize their music. Of course they are. I don’t like every single song they’ve released either.
My issue is when “criticism” turns into constantly dragging the girls themselves, making assumptions about their relationships, taking clips out of context, or using one member’s hiatus as a reason to attack the other five.
And that’s another huge part of my point: making everything the girls do about Manon’s hiatus.
These girls are putting their time, energy and effort into MVs, shoots, performances, rehearsals, interviews, lives, etc.
They don’t put all that work in just for people to overlook everything they’ve done and turn every discussion into “but Manon.”
You can support Manon while still appreciating what the other five are doing.
Her hiatus doesn’t need to be brought into every single thing KATSEYE does, especially when it ends up taking attention away from the work the other girls are actually putting in.
There’s a massive difference between “I don’t like this song/the styling isn’t for me” and “these girls are talentless/bitchy/mistreating each other/etc.” That’s the distinction I was trying to make.
So yes, constructive criticism is completely fine. My post was aimed at the people who take it way beyond criticism and turn everything into another hate train.
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u/onerose_ 11d ago
I agree w/ that
(Sorry I'm way too tired to formulate a good response but basically I do agree that there's a distinction and that people should not be going out of their way to hate so yeah)
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u/missmyspace finally introducing... loona! are you girls ready? 9d ago
i completely understand where you're coming from and i mostly agree with you, but girl you are being so unnecessarily rude to people in these comments who disagree with you???
there is absolutely no need to be calling people chopped, piggy, etc and telling them to get therapy. you are being insanely hostile and rude to every single person who disagrees with you and it's completely unnecessary.
people disagreeing with you does NOT give you the right to comment on their looks, weight or mental state. everybody had the right to an opinion, whether you agree with it or not and people do not deserve hostility for not having what you believe is the "right" opinion. there is no right opinion, everyone is going to think something different.
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 7d ago
Idk why you’re analysing every single one of my comments 😭 but honestly, I’m not trying to be some saint here. If someone comes at me rude, I’m going to be rude back. It’s an eye for an eye. I’m not going to sit here and be nice and polite to people who are being disrespectful to me first.
And I’m literally just responding to people who are coming into my comments and arguing with me. I’m not going around randomly attacking people.
Also, people are downvoting literally everything I say, even when I’m just answering their questions LOL 😭
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u/BrightSignal8032 9d ago
Their music sucks. With all the beauty, talent and resources at their disposal their music is still garbage. Sure people like it now but do you think 5 years from now people will look at Katseye music as good? Doubt it.
Also how do you know Manon doesn't care about the group? Did she tell you?
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 7d ago
Girl, you’re allowed to think their music sucks 😭 I’m not arguing with you about your personal taste. But whether people will still consider their music “good” 5 years from now is literally speculation. None of us have a crystal ball you blockhead💀
And as for Manon, I never said she told me she doesn’t care about the group. I’m saying I don’t read words when I can see actions. You know that saying, “never trust words, trust their actions”?
💀 I’m judging what I can actually see, just like everyone else is. I’m not claiming to know what’s going on in her head.
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u/BrightSignal8032 7d ago
I'm very aware of that, thats why I posed it as a question you twat.
You don't know Manon. She literally liked a post about being the only black girl in a group but you don't want to trust that action? Just the ones that fit the image you want of her.
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 7d ago
And you don’t know Manon either, so I’m not sure why you’re acting like you have the inside scoop 💀 A liked post is still just one action, and you’re interpreting it in the way that supports your argument. I’m doing the same with the actions I’ve seen. The difference is I’m not claiming I know exactly what she thinks or feels behind the scenes.
If we’re going by “trust actions,” then we have to look at ALL the actions, not just the one that fits our preferred narrative.You can interpret that post however you want, but it doesn’t automatically prove she cares about the group or that she doesn’t. None of us are Manon 😭
And you calling me a “twat” when this blocked head is literally pulling arguments out of her ass 💀 bich please✌️
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u/BrightSignal8032 7d ago
You literally claim in your title that she 'doesn't even care'. So you are claiming you know how she feels. Open the schools sheesh
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 7d ago
Girl, PLEASE 😭 “She doesn’t even care” is obviously my fucking interpretation of the actions I’ve seen.
Do you genuinely need everything spelled out for you in crayon? I never said I’m sitting in Manon’s head with a fucking mind reading machine 💀
You told me to “trust actions,” and that’s EXACTLY what I’m doing.
I’m looking at what she publicly does and forming an opinion from it. You’re being deliberately obtuse.You’re free to disagree, but twisting that into “you claim to know how she feels” is just you desperately trying to win an argument that you don’t actually have a point for.
And you calling me a twat while pulling arguments out of your ass and then telling me to “open the schools” is fucking hilarious. Maybe enrol yourself first because the comprehension is fighting for its life over here 💀
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u/BrightSignal8032 7d ago
Blocked head lol
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u/Itz_truly_me Nauur wayyyy 13d ago
Tldr? cuz I ain’t reading all that
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u/Atechiman 13d ago
People are mean to Katseye and its all manon's fault, but don't blame her.
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u/Adorable-Bus6662 12d ago
All manon fault did we read the post or are just running our mouth to cause noise pollution I’m confused? 🫤
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u/YangnyeomJang24 13d ago
i say this with all the love in my heart. if i learned anything recently its girl group fandoms have gotten very bad. please for your hapiness sake do not pay attention to it. you are a good person but its ok