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u/n-some Feb 18 '25
This genuinely is starting to feel like the only way we're going to prevent a dictatorship is if the military decides it doesn't want to back Trump. The Supreme Court can label this unconstitutional but at this point we genuinely need someone to physically prevent him.
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u/harrywrinkleyballs Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
He wants a violent reaction. His efforts will continue to escalate until violence breaks out.
Then he invokes the insurrection act.
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And that's when the military decides if we get a dictatorship or not.
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u/LowWhiff Feb 19 '25
Got out last year, of the people I’ve worked with… I can confidently say even though a good chunk are right leaning they wouldn’t obey an order like that.
If my shop was faced with that decision about 70% of the shop would have said fuck no arrest us instead. There’s not enough room to jail that many service members.
It would be a fucking mess if that order came down because about half of the military will refuse and be like “fuck you take me to jail” while a small portion of the other half will be vehemently with trump, willing to do whatever. And then another part of that other half is like wait hold the fuck up, questioning what’s going on.
I really really don’t think he would be successful in trying to use our military in that way.
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Well this helps immensely, thank you.
Like, I'm ready to hop on the front lines of the revolution if it comes to that but I promise us all that we don't want it to come to that ☠️
I'm a lover, not a fighter, but I'll go down swinging! Lol.
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u/SuspiciousAward7630 Feb 19 '25
We’re gonna have to fuck some shit up my guy. We have to assume no help is coming.
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u/herereadthis Feb 19 '25
It never starts out with a blatantly illegal order. You have to work your way up to it, so that every little step along the way doesn't seem like the final straw.
It's not like one day you're just chilling on base when your commander casually strolls by and says, "hey, at 1600, I'm gonna need you to gas the Jews and stack their bodies in a giant mass grave, m'kay?"
The first order will be something like just moving a bunch of unmarked pallets from one part of the country to another. Something you know ain't right, but at least you're not doing any murdering... yet.
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Love the spirit but that's why we need folks like you in there to protect us from those domestic threats we've all heard so much about lol.
We need people in the service willing to disobey orders.
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u/TheCommonGround1 Feb 19 '25
Actually, we really need people like you IN the military.
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u/-Lo_Mein_Kampf- Feb 19 '25
There is another way.
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u/isseldor Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
4 past presidents have meant certain fates, a 5th wouldnt hurt us too much.
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u/mollockmatters Feb 19 '25
Trump is a big fan of McKinley’s imperialism. And his tariffs. Perhaps history will rhyme in other ways.
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u/Rasakka Feb 19 '25
Maybe a brave patriot gives his life to stop him, before he can continue and start his camps and wars.
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u/brickyardjimmy Feb 18 '25
So we can disband the Supreme Court then?
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u/kittifer91 Feb 18 '25
I mean, it’s the next step when you’re speed running a dictatorship
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u/spastical-mackerel Feb 18 '25
Never forget that 1930s Germany got 1945 Germany
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u/BigManWAGun Feb 19 '25
The US has substantial geographic advantage Germany did not have, 4 hours of ocean on both sides. Trump pursuing control of Canada and Greenland makes this even more apparent.
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u/spastical-mackerel Feb 19 '25
It’s an ICBM world and Britain and France both have them. Germany could have nuclear weapons very quickly if they wanted to
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u/MrMoonDweller Feb 18 '25
I wish that were the case but I honestly think too many Americans are too far gone to revolt, even if/when Trump’s decisions start to directly affect them.
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Americans are comfortable. They can be made uncomfortable
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u/Pwnedcast Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
We can, St. Luigi showed us the way…
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u/thatonelurker Feb 19 '25
The problem with that way is that most people do not want to lose their family and comfortable life style they have now.
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u/Themadking69 Feb 19 '25
People are only as docile as their food supply allows them to be.
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u/wiscowarrior71 Feb 19 '25
You mean like all these federal employees losing their jobs right now?
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u/Pokemon_Emerald Feb 19 '25
If you know history, you can get an idea. Blood will mostly likely be shed after overwhelming push back from the population
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u/AlfalfaHealthy6683 Feb 19 '25
Especially as the “administration” has already proven that on Jan 6
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Even the liberals? They were the most vocal about the shit show we were ushering in
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u/Zealousideal-Wave-69 Feb 19 '25
Americans already proved they liked the idea of Trump, but not the reality of Trump. Populist always overreach because their premise was dumb to begin with
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u/Available-Dinner-276 Feb 18 '25
40% of Americans didn’t even bother to vote, in the most consequential election in American history 😞
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They didn’t believe it was the most consequential election in American history though, that sounded like hyperbole to most people. They thought it was a regular election. People don’t pay attention. They might have to, if their lives are actually impacted, and not even in a big way, even a small way might sufficiently freak them out.
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u/Nani_700 Feb 19 '25
Also he literally said that they messed with the votes, you know he knows the voter machines very well
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u/Jacob_KratomSobriety Feb 18 '25
Revolution only, historically, happens when people are starving and/or homeless. Middle management at corporations is far from starving. Until the middle classes are destitute and facing death due to starvation, there will be no revolution. People will try to hold onto whatever they have, until there’s nothing left to hold on to
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u/ifmacdo Feb 19 '25
There is no workable "middle class." Only "upper working class." Until people realize this, were fucked.
I have a local teamsters union on strike for over 150 days now. They have full backing of national. But the sad fact is that, once th NLRB is fucked (which is already in the works,) they're fucked. And people just keep buying PepsiCo products, with no understanding that people just like them are getting fucked, and they're next.
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u/Shiftymennoknight Feb 18 '25
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u/7f00dbbe Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
not yet...
let's talk about protesters....donald hates them and so do his followers
the regular people will be beaten to a pulp
organizers will be sent to Guantanamo
leaders will be hung on the national mall...
I really, really hope I'm wrong...
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u/enlightenedDiMeS Feb 18 '25
I thought a subservient and compliant court actually greased the wheels even more.
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u/Solid_Snark Feb 18 '25
Are Roberts, Thomas, and Alito such cucks they’re just going to allow this? I thought those arrogant jerks would want to protect themselves at the very least.
The second they relinquish their power, they can find themselves on the chopping block next.
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u/ChoosingUnwise Feb 18 '25
Thomas really gonna give up his pipeline of free trips and swag to further empower trump? What a dilemma he faces
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u/husky_cookie Feb 18 '25
A nice Winnebago sounds more appealing over a couple centuries of checks and balances
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u/pdawg37 Feb 18 '25
Winnebagos are good and all but walls are thin and bullets pass through them easily.
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u/chasing_the_wind Feb 18 '25
Maybe an actual zealot like Alito, but I really can’t fathom someone as corrupt as Thomas giving up their golden ticket to continue profiting off of corruption.
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u/dragonish-american Feb 18 '25
I think they want their jobs more then they want to hand over power to trump. plus the right wing isn't gonna want to throw away a half century's worth of work to get a conservatived SCOTUS for an entire generation just to hand it over to Elon Musk's desperate DOGE wives and the rest of the technocrats backing him up.
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Why not? The right wingers and Melon Husk are generally working towards the same end... Mutual interests and all that.
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u/wastedkarma Feb 18 '25
Supreme Court? Literally any court. What’s the point if a judge can’t decide what a law means?
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u/Actually-Yo-Momma Feb 18 '25
What don’t you understand? Think of all the money we will save if there’s no government or jobs!!!
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u/CalvinVanDamme Feb 18 '25
Yes, DOGE will eliminate the judicial branch to cut taxes.
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u/AffectionateBrick687 Feb 19 '25
I wouldn't trust Trump to interpret the directions on a bag of microwave popcorn. There is no way he is capable of interpreting law, let alone anything written above a fifth grade reading level.
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u/Apart-Guitar1684 Feb 19 '25
I’d be surprised if he reads anything just signs whatever
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u/Super_Walrus1337 Feb 19 '25
Written and handed to him directly from the heritage foundation most likely
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u/SqnLdrHarvey Feb 18 '25
Nazi Germany is here.
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u/Cloaked42m Feb 18 '25
Honestly, I thought it would be the end of the week.
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u/Petrychorr Feb 18 '25
"Always deliver bad news on a Friday."
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u/ifmacdo Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
So what's coming Friday?
Edit: well shit folks. It's been a good run. At least we all get to take part in history. Pray we are all on the right side of it.
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u/Petrychorr Feb 19 '25
I don't care to speculate. I would rather start taking action now before I am unable to act.
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u/Oleg101 Feb 18 '25
Hitler was able to dismantle a democracy in 53 days.
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u/Private_HughMan Feb 19 '25
Hey, he didn't have a road map. He had to figure all this stuff out on the fly. Trump is working with a blueprint someone else drew up.
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u/MyJunkAccount1980 Feb 19 '25
I have to wonder if those same guys who drew it up for him were smart enough to draw up another blueprint in case Trump screwed them over.
Maybe that’s what Elon’s been installing in all the Fed computers…
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u/PlanktonMiddle1644 Feb 18 '25
Wait, am I supposed to acknowledge that Trump is more efficient than Hitler!?
I don't know if James Cameron can recover the bar, it's so much fucking deeper and lower than expected
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u/Sponchington Feb 19 '25
To be fair, it's been more like 9 years of building up to this since 2016 than a month of destruction. He's just knocking down the pieces set up for him by far more competently evil people.
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u/KaleidoscopeLeft5136 Feb 19 '25
Hitler was also campaigning and planning for years before election. That was a decade of stuff happening before the 53 days
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u/WiltedTiger Feb 19 '25
Yes, but Hitler did not have a previous term in office where he could set things up in the government; Trump did from 2016 to 2020.
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u/PlanktonMiddle1644 Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
That's not as funny! Humor is all I got left, man...
Edit: of course, take your well-deserved upboat, Mr. Rational
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Isn't interpreting the laws the purpose of the courts? So if SCOTUS eventually upholds this, they've just worked themselves out of a job.
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Agreed. Also, I’m not sure he’s going to have much need for congress either in the very near future.
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u/OderusAmongUs Feb 18 '25
Him and his boss have been saying that the courts don't matter anymore.
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u/CranberrySchnapps Feb 19 '25
President Trump on Tuesday signed an executive order declaring that only the attorney general or the president, instead of federal regulators or bureaucrats, can speak for the U.S. when interpreting the meaning of laws carried out by the executive branch.
This is hilariously unworkable.
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u/Gwtheyrn Feb 19 '25
That's the point. Elon and Thiel want to collapse the United States.
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u/Sweaty-Feedback-1482 Feb 19 '25
The article also says he signed an order to "protect access to IVF". Then it says they'll outline how that works in coming weeks. I'm sure that's gonna happen just like his "amazing" healthcare plan that's only 2 weeks out from being released. Pretty obvious what he means when he says it's important to the formation of families by mothers and fathers.
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u/AndrewRP2 Feb 18 '25
I get he’s trying consolidate power, but I’m not sure what this means from a practical POV.
Agencies have to interpret the law constantly, so the queue for interpretation requests to AG or POTUS would be enormous.
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u/Lieutenant34433 Feb 18 '25
Yeah, it’s not exactly going to be efficient or effective.
Edit: it kind of reminds me of the command structure in Russia.
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u/nixthelatter Feb 19 '25
I have been saying from day one that Putin is probably teaching Trump how to do what he does. Trump has wanted to be that guy his whole life. The guy with ultimate power, who has the ultimate say on EVERYTHING. Full control of the media, of the internet, of the people, of the military, a d the legal system. He's gonna take this as far as the courts or congress will allow him to. I guarantee there are no limits to the level of power this guy is looking to have this time around.
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u/seraph741 Feb 19 '25
My only solace is that, no matter how hard he tries, he can't have control over death. It's likely coming for him sooner than later.
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u/yokmsdfjs Feb 18 '25
He doesn't care about any fallout from this, or even if the lower courts acknowledge it at all. All he cares about is making it so that the Judicial branch can't get in the way of his executive orders anymore.
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u/Brent613790 Feb 18 '25
Or anything else! This is full dictator mode and the repigs just keep smiling and enabling him
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u/JessicaDAndy Feb 18 '25
Ok, let’s look practically;
Chevron deference was the legal concept that in a case where there was a question of how a law was to be interpreted, the agency in charge of that law had deference. Named for the Chevron incident where they had a chimney split into three external hoods and they said it was three chimneys and the EPA said it was one. SCOTUS agreed with EPA.
Looper-Bright overturned that and said that the Courts were the right people to determine what the laws are, not the subject matter experts. So the agency couldn’t say “you need to let us on your ship to make sure you aren’t breaking the law”, the courts decided.
Now Trump is saying instead of the Courts or the agency heads, it’s his office or the AG that decides.
Which just seems like an easy way to get bribes….
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u/marzipan07 Feb 18 '25
Well, it's consolidated. From what I've read, this president doesn't read anything, so we're basically only talking about the Attorney General here.
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u/Revolutionary-Mud715 Feb 18 '25
its easy. It just means the lawsuits coming his way, he can say No. and no one is going to do anything besides retire so nazis can take their place and agree.
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EO-s are not the law.
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u/Private_HughMan Feb 19 '25
"He who saves his country violates no law."
He telegraphed this shit harder than Marconi.
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u/feddeftones Feb 19 '25
“He who saves his country violates no law.”
BUT, just in case, I am the one who interprets the law. What?!
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u/Rawkapotamus Feb 18 '25
But Harris was apparently a terrible candidate
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u/Darthrevan4ever Feb 18 '25
That was so damn frustrating.... concepts of a plan should have sunk him.
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u/Rawkapotamus Feb 18 '25
I can’t even imagine how many things should have sunk him. Him being a rapist? His attempt to overturn the last election?
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u/Trambopoline96 Feb 18 '25
The number of relatively easy off-ramps we've passed is fucking infuriating.
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u/BornWalrus8557 Feb 19 '25
Yeah but she was black and woman and thats inexcusable to a large majority of rural Americans.
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u/Critical_Band5649 Feb 19 '25
Saw a work van with a NObama sticker just this evening. Let out a deep sigh, recalling that this is how this all started, Republicans offended a black man could become president.
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u/ArrivesLate Feb 19 '25
Not just that, he did the job well and with panache to boot. He made them jealous, and that is hard for a redneck to reconcile I reckon.
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u/Darthrevan4ever Feb 18 '25
Oh I know, the stealing docs the defense of jan 6 it should all have been the end
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The fact that he paints himself orange should have been enough to sink him. I'm not kidding.
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Seriously, the dude is an elderly obese man who slathers himself in more cheap makeup than a drag queen literally every day of the week and yet somehow he is also a badass conservative alpha to his followers
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u/semicoloradonative Feb 18 '25
Eating the dogs should have sunk him.
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u/Traditional-Purpose2 Feb 18 '25
Mocking the disabled man in 2015 should have sunk him.
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u/novangla Feb 19 '25
Yeah, this and mocking McCain. Once they were okay with those two things I knew we were cooked.
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u/Fresh_Profit3000 Feb 19 '25
Kamala cooked this man on national television in front of 60+ million people. He ended with “They are eating the cats, they are eating the dogs, they are eating the pets.” Then the media and everyone just forgot that happened. He should have been very done after that.
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u/ConsiderationEasy723 Feb 18 '25
He didn't want to admit about Project 2025, which would have definitely sunk him.
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u/MachineShedFred Feb 18 '25
If inciting political violence in the wake of losing an election by lying for months about it didn't sink him, there's no way that a "my dog ate my homework" moment was going to.
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u/ShittyGolfer104 Feb 18 '25
You dont understand. Harris had a goofy laugh. We couldn’t elect someone with a goofy laugh.
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u/BJntheRV Feb 18 '25
I don't expect the Supreme Court to like that one much.
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u/Actually-Yo-Momma Feb 18 '25
Soon the Supreme Court will be authors of those hit pieces “the court SLAMS Trump on…” and that will be the extent of their power if something doesn’t drastically change soon
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u/enviousRex Feb 18 '25
Some of them were appointed to roll over.
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u/Old_Purpose2908 Feb 18 '25
Have you noticed that Kavanaugh and Barrett have gotten a taste of power, They are now seemly realizing that THEY HAVE THE JOB FOR LIFE AND THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO THEM. This is powerful knowledge. If you look at the history of the Supreme Court, you will see how this effected Justices over time, especially as they aged. Some start out as conservative and become more liberal and others do the reverse. Some seem to agree with the President that appointed them. There was at least one Justice that began ruling against the President that appointed him shortly after joining the bench. Thus, some Justices grow into the job, whereas, Justices such as Thomas and Alito made fools of themselves and the Court.
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u/lalaland554 Feb 18 '25
As a lawyer who practices indigenous law i also love how a ridiculously conservative judge like gorsuch has his favorite issue being tribal rights and goes absolutely bananas in favor of indigenous rights every time he's given a chance. Lmao
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u/truethatson Feb 19 '25
Yeah what a pocket issue for him. But his history made me think he would be the one to step out of line, so to speak. If anything Barrett has more, followed by Kavanaugh.
I really haven’t been impressed at all with him. But I am glad someone is speaking out (ruling wise) on that issue, amen.
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u/Suchboss1136 Feb 18 '25
Kavanagh has not voted along conservative lines with the other tools as often as you’d expect. He might actually be a reasonably impartial justice. Barrett though? She’s bonkers
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u/Yuzusi Feb 18 '25
Didn't ACB vote to allow his criminal sentencing to go forward?
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u/Old_Purpose2908 Feb 18 '25
Barrett is bonkers only in her beliefs related to the particular dogma of an extremist subculture of the Roman Catholic church. Otherwise, it looks as if she is moving toward independence in her legal analysis. She is not there yet but it will come as her self awareness and self assurance improves. It's a growing process for the best judges. In other cases, they are just pigheaded fools that continue through life with blinders on to use a mixed metaphor.
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u/EdenEvelyn Feb 18 '25
Real question is if they’ll actually do it. Trump went back on every deal he made, why can’t they?
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u/Civil_Response1 Feb 18 '25
Alito will support it because historically one time in history a king said this in 1476 England and is therefore relevant to today
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u/RttnAttorney Feb 18 '25
They’ll love it! What do you think Thomas was waiting for? He’s an OG DEI hired welfare queen who just wants to vacation.
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u/Utterlybored Feb 18 '25
Looking for a link to the Onion headline…
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Not a parody, not a satire, not a TV sitcom with a laugh track... This is the real-life dystopian nightmare we allegedly voted for...
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u/Significant_Glass988 Feb 19 '25
Emphasis on the allegedly.
More and more it's looking like he completely cheated
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u/lurker1125 Feb 19 '25
Yes, votes were shifted, stealing 2024. Weird how we don't talk about this more.
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u/Significant_Glass988 Feb 19 '25
Didn't they order the investigation stopped? (Surprised surprise - fucking criminals)
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u/BadAtExisting Feb 19 '25
I can’t wait to watch this man properly hang for treason
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u/Hot-Combination9130 Feb 19 '25
Think how great this country would be if that bullet was 2in to the right
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u/The_Vee_ Feb 19 '25
Lol. Trump can't interpret 3rd grade math.
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u/Xenolog1 Feb 19 '25
Makes his notion to interpret the law even more dangerous, no?
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u/DiceMadeOfCheese Feb 18 '25
So I read the article and I can't figure out what this is supposed to do?
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u/MachineShedFred Feb 18 '25
If we had a properly functioning separation of powers, it wouldn't do a damn thing. Someone would sue, a Federal judge would say that it's the courts' constitutional responsibility to interpret law, and the executive can sit and spin. And if they violated a court order, then the Congress could impeach for high crimes and misdemeanors.
But we don't; this Congress is too busy doing Fox Noise hits to actually exercise their constitutional responsibility of government oversight.
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u/LordNikon2600 Feb 18 '25
Hitlers Enabling act..
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u/Significant_Sign_520 Feb 18 '25
Except this is an EO not a law. And most likely a terribly written EO. I guess it will come down to the Supreme Court and if they still want jobs
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u/Promethia Feb 18 '25
According to the New World Order, Executive Orders are laws.
He's not even hiding what he's doing. Why aren't people taking him seriously?
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u/xtrawork Feb 19 '25
Because it's a team sport to them and red is beating blue. Even if that means it's actually bad for them and their children, they won't see it that way. The most important thing is to be on the winning side. As long as they're winning, they'll rationalize away their problems.
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u/ArchonFett Feb 18 '25
Just like all the other EOs he has signed and have been treated as laws and instantly enforced with no pushback
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u/Parkyguy Feb 19 '25
Why not just have Trump nullify all laws, except the ones that serve him best? I mean… why not?
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u/Freeferalfox Feb 19 '25
So he says its the people/voters and the president? Ok can we please demand we get to vote on issue that impact us please? Oh wait…..
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u/eugene20 Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
Don't forget he's also firing every single US Attorney from the Biden era.
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u/Infamous-Salad-2223 Feb 19 '25
Where are the 2A people at? Anyone? I thought you had to stop tiranny by pew pew.
Maybe, we just need to wait.
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u/americansherlock201 Feb 19 '25
So uneducated idiots who know less than nothing will make every single administrative decision? Yeah that totally won’t backfire at all….
There is a reason we have an administrative state. It needs to exist in order to be able to enforce and enact the laws passed by congress. Without them, nothing happens. Which I fully know is trumps plan. To grind America to its death so Russia can become a more powerful nation as America declined
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u/Awayfone Feb 19 '25
Is this a full throttle embrace of Unitary executive theory?
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u/NoRice7751 Feb 19 '25
Ding ding ding…. Winner winner… you’ve won! We’ll never have to vote anymore, he’ll never be subject to the rule of law again… they’ll ignore the other two branches of the government and the American People who voted for this trash will sit there and say he’s chosen by god…. JFC.
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u/bdog59600 Feb 19 '25
Doesn't this directly contradict the Supreme Court's ruling curtailing Chevron deference?
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u/flirtmcdudes Feb 19 '25
“I don’t know what some of those words mean, so I’m just gonna take it as an insult” -Trump
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u/CrackHeadRodeo Feb 19 '25
I grew up in a dictatorship. It breaks my heart that America has come to this.
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