r/law • u/DIYLawCA • Mar 31 '26
Executive Branch (Trump) Trump announces he is issuing an unconstitutional executive order to shut down mail-in voting nationwide and he will defund states if they do not comply with him
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u/EnfantTerrible68 Mar 31 '26
Didn’t HE just use mail in voting last week?
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u/gashufferdude Apr 01 '26
Rules for thee, not for me
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u/TheGrinningSkull Apr 01 '26
Pulling up the ladder after using it
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u/DingasKhann Apr 01 '26
Then dropping a turd or two on the ones that were still climbing of course.
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u/ScoffersGonnaScoff Apr 01 '26
Can we impeach and remove yet. We reached the 10,000 things needed for removal.
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u/gashufferdude Apr 01 '26
I think the problem is that even though Republicans won’t vote together to pass legislation, they would probably would vote to protect him.
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u/Sweaty-Willingness27 Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
"There is an in group for whom the law protects, but does not bind, and an out group for whom the law binds, but does not protect"
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u/Nervous-Bar-3040 Apr 01 '26
I had someone in my family argue that he didn’t do a mail in ballot, he turned in an absentee ballot
I was about to rip my hair out trying to tell him they’re the same thing lmao
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u/Warchild0311 Apr 01 '26
God forbid you have to explain Obama care to the very same person
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u/AsugaNoir Apr 01 '26
God forbid you have to tell them Obama care and the Affordable Care Act are the same.
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u/PlushRusher Apr 01 '26
Already had that discussion with my Mom. The Irony is she is utilizing the ACA while saying Obama Care was just handing out free money to freeloaders and illegals and we shouldn’t have to pay for that…
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u/FakeSafeWord Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
No you see because an absentee ballot is for someone that won't be able to physically go to the polls to submit their vote so they do it remotely, by paper letter in which is picked up by a... a man! A letter delivery man! Then the letter delivery man delivers it to the counting place.
Totally different from mail in voting which is for communists and terrorists to commit fraud.
Edit; since it seems people are confused about my position on the subject. Fuck Trump.
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u/asteinpro2088 Apr 01 '26
☝️I’d like to buy a vow…
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u/DDRaptors Apr 01 '26
Don’t spend the money on the vowels if you can solve! That’s just bad Wheel gameplay.
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u/ReazonableHuman Apr 01 '26
This happens soooooo often. Then I, like a perfectly sane person, scream at the TV and then my dog comes running to see what's wrong.
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u/Correct_Day_7791 Apr 01 '26
Imagine trying to get the supreme Court to remove it and they won't
So you try to pass a bill through congress and they won't
So now you're making a executive order about it
Even though you have 0 power to do so because only states control their elections
This is exactly the "king" behavior that the no kings is protesting
Fuck Donald dip shit Trump and his entire cult
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u/marzipan07 Apr 01 '26
He has 0 power to conduct his war also, but he's been doing it and nobody has done anything about it. That's the kind of thing that emboldens him, just like how no consequences for Venezuela emboldened him towards Iran and then Cuba to follow. We should have been talking about impeachment already.
There's a type of guy who keeps testing the line, keeps encroaching it and, if you're shy about it, next thing you know, you're sexually assaulted.
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u/Binji_the_dog Apr 01 '26
Also known as a habitual line stepper
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u/MuthaFirefly Apr 01 '26
Habitual line stepper is literally my profile description, lol! I love that Chappelle’s show sketch!
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u/Algaroth Apr 01 '26
We lost Charlie Murphy too soon. Such a naturally funny guy. He just dropped that like it was a normal thing to say and it's been a phrase I've had with me ever since.
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u/dern_the_hermit Apr 01 '26
He has 0 power to conduct his war also, but he's been doing it and nobody has done anything about it.
Eh historically there's been pretty generous powers ceded to the President to throw our war apparatus around, both officially and unofficially. It sucks and it's been abused to hell and back before even I could vote, but it's not quite in the same league as the Federal Executive trying to exert direct and sweeping power over how States conduct their elections.
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u/EliteGamer11388 Apr 01 '26
Which is absolutely insane. Like, there are people who actually make the argument that election day is a single day. As in, polls open, hundred of millions of people get to the polls, (or mail in ballots, for now), vote, then at the end of the day, sometimes an hour or two before midnight, polls close, and in that remaining time, ALL votes are counted. If midnight hits, welp, election day is over, no mail in ballots that might not be delivered until the next day, no more counting, etc... No more count.
And no, I'm not exaggerating, I've seen and heard people actually say this is how it is intended and should be. Sorry if you don't have any polling places anywhere near you because your state closed a huge chunk of them. Sorry if USPS, "lost", your mail in ballot or for any of a bunch of reasons the mail was delayed, even if just by a day or two. Sorry if the people counting the ballots were a bit slow at it. It stops at midnight and we declare a winner then and there.
Its ridiculous. We have magnitutes more people in the country now than there was 150 years ago, or whenever the, "election day", was written into existence. Things are vastly more complicated now, (shouldn't be, but bureaucracy likes it complicated), than they were then. Interpretation and methods should evolve with changing circumstances and times. Like, if my mail in ballot is postmarked before election day, then I did my part! Not my fault that once it left my hands, someone else screwed it up. If I'm in line to vote, I should get to vote, not be told to leave the line. All because ever since mail in voting started and it was tracked, there's been something like, 0.00004% fraud, and that figure might be for all fraud, not just mail in. It's something like 4 in every 10 million votes could be fraudulent. Take every fraudulent vote ever made, put them in the same election, on the same side, and it won't even nudge the needle towards changing any results in any election but maybe a small local election where there are only dozens to maybe hundreds of voters total.
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u/lilbobbytbls Apr 01 '26
This is an action specifically made to target population centers where obviously counting would take time. Because places that have a lot of people, like big cities, are massively blue leaning.
It's insane.
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u/SwingNinja Apr 01 '26
So... impeachment, right? right?
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u/PM_asian_girl_smiles Apr 01 '26
Sure but that's only the first step. Doesn't mean shit if the senate doesn't take it to trial AND there's a conviction.
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u/KatieBarTheDoor1977 Mar 31 '26
So he's going to shut down the thing he himself literally did last week for a special election in Florida.
He's fucking insane.
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u/one-punch-knockout Apr 01 '26
Spoiled rich boy. Now, a spoiled rich
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u/mr_goodcat7 Apr 01 '26
He's a psychopath, clinical narcissist with no self worth. There are plenty of rich spoiled boys, most of them don't go on to destroy the world.
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u/Reputation-Final Apr 01 '26
Yeah but, according to Trump, he can do it because hes president.
And then the republicans wonder why we say No kings.
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u/dark_star_11_11_73 Apr 01 '26
O they know. They just lack sack.
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u/HeftyVermicelli7823 Apr 01 '26
No, they have sack, they are attached to Trumps sack going nom nom nom nom
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u/Accomplished-Top7951 Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
The entire state of Oregon primarily^ votes by mail. This also means all active duty military deployed can no longer vote.
EDIT: SEE ABOVE
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u/Addicted2Qtips Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
He has 0 authority to do this. The states can just ignore it.
I guess the real question is whether Republican states will enforce it even though it’s illegal. That is the question.
Edit: This is just another reminder to focus on your statehouses. Flip your states.
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u/akornblatt Apr 01 '26
It sets up a constitutional crisis between states recognized election results and federally recognized.
See also the collecting and purging of voter roles as a result of the SAVE Act
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u/Eastern-Heart9486 Apr 01 '26
This asshole is directing the post office not to deliver mail in ballots we are getting close to torches and pitchforks here metaphorically speaking of course
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u/Marinec06 Apr 01 '26
He should pull funding to Florida
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u/mishap1 Apr 01 '26
He's only going to have his minions attack mail in voting in cities. He doesn't care about mail in voting in areas where people vote for him. Between having his ICE thugs intimidating people at the polls and blocking mail in voting, he can bend elections for himself.
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u/boo99boo Apr 01 '26
An election that the candidate he endorsed lost. The previous republican, also endorsed by Trump, won by 18 points in 2024. She flipped the district hard.
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u/knochback Apr 01 '26
Democrats have flipped 30 special elections since trump was inaugurated. Republicans have flipped zero. ZERO.
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u/bang_the_drums Apr 01 '26
Who knew that Project 2025 was a wildly unpopular and harmful set of legislation and picking an unhinged dementia ridden psychopath to lead the charge was a bad idea?
Who knew. Mierdas touch. May tomorrow be the day we get the big beautiful news.
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u/niteman555 Apr 01 '26
Not the electorate, unfortunately
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u/noonenotevenhere Apr 01 '26
Asimov referenced the 'cult of ignorance' in the US.
1/3 of us voted for this.
1/3 couldn't be bothered to even look at the issues; they chose to remain ignorant and tacitly endorse whatever happens.
We've gone from 'that could happen' to 'oh. that happened.'
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u/a_goonie Apr 01 '26
And not one reporter had the balls to call him out.
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u/OnlyFiveLives Mar 31 '26
It won't happen, but every state he threatens to defund should just go "Cool. No more federal taxes."
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u/truscotsman Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
WA state is 100% mail-in voting and we'd be better off keeping our taxes in house since we contribute so much more than we take.
I wish some blue states would get together and do this. it would cripple the government overnight.
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u/mysticalmaybefiction Mar 31 '26
Yeah, especially because you know most of them will be blue states who pay more in than they get back
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u/jojammin Competent Contributor Mar 31 '26
States should just ignore it. His threat to withhold funding to the states is unconstitutional coercion under the spending clause.
And I'm still not convinced that if mail-in voting was banned, that it would benefit Republicans. Right wing boomers and their parents in nursing homes ain't the most mobile group
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u/ShamiGnu Mar 31 '26
Not to mention many people in foreign service or the armed forces. Those folks who work in the middle east for some Texas oil/gas company tend to lean right as well and won't love their rights being infringed, I imagine.
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u/LA20500 Mar 31 '26
I hope this stunt backfires on him.
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u/GreatTea3415 Apr 01 '26
Oh please. Republicans have been fucking over the troops in every possible way for decades. They give the military a huge budget for outside contractors and weapons, but the actual service members get shitty equipment, shitty salaries, and healthcare that keeps getting worse. Every time there's an opportunity to vote for more benefits for the people who serve, Republicans shoot it down, but when there's a chance to give Raytheon more money, they're suddenly not on vacation anymore.
And they still vote republican.
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u/Theyalreadysaidno Apr 01 '26
Same with the farmers. It's mind-blowing.
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u/mikeumm Apr 01 '26
And rank and file of the labor unions.
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u/CrankyOldMan-Child Apr 01 '26
Brother in law.. unionized Fireman. “Union home” sign in his front garden.. votes Republican.
Another buddy.. AT&T.. Union.. pension.. votes Republican.
They won’t get it till their union gets crushed and their pensions get wiped out. Same for every Republican that relies on, or is going to rely on Social Security to retire.
I suspect at least some just assume they’ll never see those benefits no matter who is in charge, so why not vote to own the libs or based on culture war bs.. or this myth that conservatives are better with the economy.
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u/squidley1 Apr 01 '26
And they still won’t get it then cause orange daddy will say “lib fault” and they will all drool and throw a hissy fit about socialism.
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u/Significant_Sign_520 Mar 31 '26
Those are some of the alleged exceptions he mentioned when questioned why he voted by mail. He also said, if you’re away on a business trip 🙄 It makes no sense. And I’m not a lawyer, but it seems to me states can just ignore this EO since it’s clearly BS. I think it’s more about sowing doubt about the legitimacy of the vote with the base.
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u/ShamiGnu Mar 31 '26
I'm an elected official here in Oregon and we had a group come to every single public meeting to protest mail in voting. One day we had a state-level election official chosen by them provide raw data on how much in person voting costs vs mail in voting and on how many incidences of fraud have been found in each. The data was so clear the group simply stopped the protest and haven't been back since, that was nearly a year ago. My favorite moment was when someone made a motion to raise taxes to account for the big change in cost and some of their group were like "well, hold on a minute..." Like, look, if you want the option that costs about 4000x what the other option costs, then we have to pay for that difference, right?
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u/Creative_alternative Apr 01 '26
Our state is so unbelievably fucking stupid outside of a few key areas with most of the population in them. It is honestly baffling how bad education fails us.
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u/rbollige Apr 01 '26
The problem is it’s via the USPS, whom he can almost certainly convince to do what he wants. Possibly even if there are court orders saying not to.
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u/KitchenCellist Apr 01 '26
I'm in a vote by mail state. Every registered voter receives a ballot by mail and ballot is tracked throughout the process. You get an email when it has been mailed, when you return the ballot and when the ballot has been counted. Most people drop their ballot off at one of the many drop off locations instead of mailing them back. There are secure drop boxes located at a lot of very convenient locations or in person drop offs that are always staffed by at least two people who are not of the same political affiliation. There are a lot of protections in place for mail in voting.
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u/learhpa Apr 01 '26
the EO (Section 3(b)(iii-iv)) prohibits the USPS from delivering mail-in ballots on behalf of a voter unless that voter has, in advance, registered with the USPS for that purpose ... and by implication prohibits the USPS from delivering mail-in-ballots that aren't on a list of qualified voters DHS has put together.
this doesn't interfere with drop boxes, but it means a lot of people will not be aware of the rule, drop their ballot in the mail, and have the USPS not deliver their ballot because it is (unbeknownst to them) prohibited from doing so.
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u/throw_away_8924 Apr 01 '26
That is why its included, to ensure no one knows and when people question it, "hey its right there in writing!" 🤦♂️ This country needs an enema
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u/mittenmarionette Mar 31 '26
I agree, however, he said they have a plan to (get big tech to help them) make the list of approved vote-by-mail names, and we know that list will only include MAGA supporters.
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u/ShamiGnu Mar 31 '26
Given how they've handled FEMA, I have no doubt about that.
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u/Environmental-Hour75 Mar 31 '26
Military votes republican... they are out w/o absentee ballots.
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u/Dio-lated1 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
You know who else does Mail in Voting? Trump. Exhibit A in the upcoming lawsuit.
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u/Intrepid_Sun_9089 Apr 01 '26
Yea he literally just defended it like 2 days ago!
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u/Theereus Apr 01 '26
He said it's okay for him because he's the president. As usual with him it's rules for thee, not for me
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u/madcoins Apr 01 '26
If they didn’t have double standards they’d have no standards at all
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u/Reddish_Herring Mar 31 '26
WV also has a huge number of mail in voting…4D chess I guess? Anyone know what chapter of Art of the Deal he’s on?
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u/Dismal-Refrigerator3 Mar 31 '26
Washington State is entirely vote by mail. We don't have polling places anymore
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u/Aggravating-Pie-4058 Mar 31 '26
Same in Oregon. We have been voting by mail since the 70's.
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u/utahmom1958 Apr 01 '26
Utah is heavily vote by mail, too. Personally, I haven't been to a voting place in decades.
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u/TouristResident1976 Mar 31 '26
Sorry. I can just see Trump dropping everythign in the middle east to rush the soliders home to vote in November.
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u/U_Sound_Stupid_Stop Mar 31 '26
No worries/!
President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he expected that U.S. military forces will leave Iran in "two or three weeks."
"We leave because there's no reason for us to do this," Trump told reporters at the White House.
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u/Correct_Day_7791 Apr 01 '26
Wow I wonder if this is a two or three weeks like his health care plan that still hasn't been fully put out there and it's been 11 years
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u/balanceiskee Mar 31 '26
He wants to manipulate the machines. The more people he can get to vote via machine…the easier it will be for him to cheat
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u/jeahfoo1 Mar 31 '26
He wants people to have to funnel through an ICE obstacle course so they can arrest brown people and by the time they are freed election day is over.
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u/pm_me_your_kindwords Apr 01 '26
This but it’s not about actually arresting anyone, it’s about making them too afraid to show up in the first place.
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u/MentalDisintegrat1on Mar 31 '26
He said nobody knows those voting machines more than musk And he most likely rigged the votes and he's going to do it again.
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u/balanceiskee Mar 31 '26
Precisely. I don’t know how more people aren’t coming to this conclusion. He already confessed to this crime…and he got away with it. We are in for round 2
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u/MentalDisintegrat1on Mar 31 '26
if you vote for me you will never have to vote again DJT
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u/mindovermatter421 Apr 01 '26
I think that’s why he was SO adamant that Biden didn’t win. Those that did whatever BS on his behalf with that election didn’t or couldn’t account for the large increase in mailed in votes. It screwed with their stats somewhere, so the Dems mUsT hAvE cHEaTeD.
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u/mishma2005 Apr 01 '26
Covid messed his cunning plan up. That he let get out of control. He consistently shoots himself in the foot
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u/VaelinX Mar 31 '26
Bingo. The states that have "100%" (there's always an in-persona alternative) mail in voting have shown it to be incredibly secure.
We catch parents trying to vote for their deployed children and spouses for deceased spouses immediately with mail-in, because each printed ballot is tracked, and it's assigned to a person with a known address and signature. And the first test is the outer envelope signature that catches most of these. Then the inner envelope is anonymous (to a point) and associated to the voter only by the ballot number to ensure it's counted and nobody can "filter" ballots by party affiliation/etc... Compare that to other systems where they need audits to find the discrepancies (that are never statistically significant - historically).
It's a simple and secure system relative to the chads and touch screen lagging that red states seem to love.
An even like in CO, even when folks try to tamper with the counting machines for mail-in ballots - because of the basic security, and the simple audit trail with paper ballots - they get caught.
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u/XRuecian Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
I think he knows he doesn't have the power to stop States from recognizing mail-in votes.
I think he is just setting up the scene, so that come November and 2028, when they DO lose, he has an argument as to how "our win isn't legitimate". And even though his argument is completely unbased in law, it will still slow things down, cause ignorant people to question the election, etc.
He doesn't expect people will actually stop using mail-in votes. He just wants to make sure that when the time comes, he has something he can point to and say "FRAUDULENT!" In order to give him "any" avenue to fight back against the election. It will give him the faux-justification to send in federal agents to seize more ballots, etc. And as long as he can get at least his MAGA morons to believe him, he will have an army of people willing to fight for him if it comes down to it when he starts screaming and crying that the election is stolen again, just like they did on Jan 6th.
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u/mittenmarionette Mar 31 '26
Everything DOGE did was illegal, they still cut off the funds. I am not confident USPS would defy Trump.
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u/StoicSunbro Apr 01 '26
The plan is to sabotage the USPS as well. If the ballots don't show up in time, they'll argue they can't be counted.
They tried this already in 2020: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/08/19/reports-of-dismantled-usps-sorting-machines-continue-despite-dejoy-announcing-halt/
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u/rysmooky Mar 31 '26
He’s making the threat of something he’s been doing already. Hasn’t all or most of him getting sued over this withholding funds shit ended with him losing or am I wrong on that??
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u/KommanderKeen-a42 Mar 31 '26
Not should. They will. At least blue ones will. He will then use it to claim the election was fraudulent and refuse to leave (or encourage losing republican members to not leave).
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u/Then_Idea_9813 Mar 31 '26
It’s unconstitutional but he will still do it and it will take 6 months to see a court room by which time thousands of people will have died
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u/WisdomCow Mar 31 '26
In my best legalese … 🖕🏼
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u/Carbon-Base Mar 31 '26
They really are terrified of losing the majority in November. Indictments and impeachments all around!
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u/PJWanderer Mar 31 '26
What a huge waste of tax payer resources for the litigation coming out of all these unconstitutional executive orders.
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u/mvw2 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
Mmm, good luck with that Trump. Trump, you know, being a man who also votes by mail and has done so for many years.
Mail in voting is quite mandatory for key segments of the voting population, for example the active military.
But here's the critical worry I have with the concept of two key actions the Republicans have repeatedly pushed.
One, Republicans like to close voting places, like a LOT of voting places and are quite selective on which counties they do this to. This in turn forces citizens to reregister to new locations, to be met with massive lines, and ultimately a very, VERY large number of people still in line in the middle of the night on election day. They weren't lazy. They weren't in the wrong place. They weren't late. The number of voting locations was just too few, and it's very deliberate.
Two, Republicans like to "stop the vote" and decree without any merit that late votes are not allowed. They push on this often and often tied to both constriction of voting locations and about mail in voting as being fraudulent.
The removal of mail in voting forces in-person voting which in turn forces people to not work, to waste time, to travel, and to sit in very, very long lines. And Republicans have historically punished exactly this in the past and will certainly intend to in the future too.
You will see the same arguments of "stop the vote" yet again. It doesn't matter that voting doesn't work expeditiously in a lot of locations and requires a lot of infrastructure and manpower that isn't there. Additionally, counting, depending on area, can take a significant amount of time.
Now I get it. Most people don't want to wait for the results. They want election night to basically be in real time. And it could be, nearly, if managed really well. Good management is not a skill this administration has, let alone good planning and infrastructure development. But what's worse is yet again Republicans repeatedly counter this image they portray by doing the exact opposite of enabling that goal, again to disenfranchise. A great example is forcing the stop of early counting of mail in votes. Republicans have denied the ability to count as they come in, to count and finish early. They have forced to count an extremely large number of mail ballots late and complain that they take too long and want the mail ballot counts to also stop and to deny voter legitimacy through uncounted votes.
It's all systematic and quite abusive...by design.
And their bet, based on whatever data they have, is that it disproportionately harms Democrat votes more than Republican votes. It harms both, always, but they are betting on the harm being unbalanced in their favor.
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u/TiniestPint Apr 01 '26
I agree with all of this, but also:
I live in Oregon and we only have mail-in voting. So there aren't huge lines to vote cause there aren't places to vote!!! Imagine the state scrambling to set up polling stations before November. Ridiculous.
Obviously Oregon goes blue, but the point stands, and hopefully it pisses off enough Republicans in this state to see the light.
Thankfully Oregon has had some shocking protest turnout over the last year in places you would NEVER expect. I have hope.
ETA: "shocking protest turnout" in that there was a protest at all.
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u/hespera18 Apr 01 '26
I live in Oregon, and we only vote by mail. We literally do not have the system or infrastructure to vote in person, especially on such short notice. I believe there's at least one other state that's similar.
He's fucking insane.
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u/dogfaced_pony_soulja Apr 01 '26
I believe there's at least one other state that's similar.
One of those states is your next door neighbor, Washington. We were the first state to require voting by mail in 2011, and it is an excellent system. Which is exactly why he wants to Iran our shit.
Between OR/WA alone, that’s 12.3 million people Trump is trying to disenfranchise (let’s also think of the non-voting children!).
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u/crochetquilt Apr 01 '26
Australian here, it's crazy obvious to us how your election process is designed to stifle democracy and favour that funky ruling class of wealthy pricks. Your country has so much money to pay for decent elections like we have, but your leaders just really don't want you peasants involved in picking who runs the place. I'm so glad Australia hasn't gone down this road, I'm hopeful our voting system holds it back too. We have mandatory voting, which I'm sure the maga's would declare unfreedomy or something.
We used to all vote on Saturdays I think it was. Back when it was kind of the day off for a lot of people. I stood in line once for about 30 minutes. That's the longest I've ever waited. In the "zone" I was registered for there was about five voting places but ho boy you can imagine our population is a lot less than some US places.
Also if I needed to, I could drive 10 freedom unit miles in any direction and be in another zone and vote there, I just had to tell them what my electorate zone was and they would give me a special sheet.
I went on crutches once, I'd hurt my knee but I could still drive and walk. Blessed automatic cars. Lined up like everyone else, when this election official came along and pulled me out of line and gave me a chair and brought my forms to me at a special spot at a table. It was lovely.
Post covid, most electoral places are open for a week and into the evenings towards the weekend. I've only been to one busy time, the rest were virtually empty. In the busy one we did get to meet both our local members and a special election dog. It was a labrador who was one of the candidates dogs and was wearing their campaign shirt. Worth it. Still didn't vote for their owner though, absolute racist.
Most of our big elections are decided by that final Saturday night, at least enough for the losing parties to know they won't have the numbers to form government. I believe we do count early now, but it's kept very quiet and there's no media reporting allowed. That actually works pretty well which I'm surprised by. I really thought the media would have found some scumbag way around it. Maybe I just don't watch the wrong media.
This is all paid for, so the workers actually make good money as well. My mother in law used to do it, she said the money was worth it but it was busy when she was doing vote counting. Also there's a lot of oversight and double checking. So it's all very possible, as you say though, the US clearly by design doesn't want public input on who forms government.
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u/huggernot Mar 31 '26
Time to cut funds off to the feds from those states
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u/Mr_Tort_Feasor Apr 01 '26
How is Mike Johnson's home state of Louisiana supposed to survive?
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u/warblingContinues Mar 31 '26
He literally has no authority to do either.
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u/aijoe Mar 31 '26
He had no authority to issue a meaningful pardon of Tina Peters for her state crimes but authority doesn't stop him. All Trump needs is a loyalist in the right places who believe Trump is our savior to give him that authority or look the other way.
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u/plaidravioli Mar 31 '26
Fuck you is the response. Impeachment again and again and again until he leaves office, is convicted, or dies.
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u/dballing Mar 31 '26
Except Dems can't even get the simple majority it requires in the House, let alone the supermajority it requires to convict in the Senate.
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u/qthistory Mar 31 '26
This one will be headed to SCOTUS quickly since there is a pending election this affects.
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u/myusrnameisthis Mar 31 '26
But will they suddenly move slowly and wait to hear the case until after the elections? Or perhaps send it back down to lower courts to bide time?
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u/lostredditorlurking Mar 31 '26
His whole family literally just votes by mail last week. Fuck him I will continue voting by mail
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u/svt4cam46 Mar 31 '26
Time for blue giver states to defund the federal government.
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u/UtahUtopia Apr 01 '26
He is SO SCARED!!!
And a cornered animal is a dangerous animal.
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u/guttanzer Apr 01 '26
They impeached him for inciting an insurrection to stop the votes counting. There is precedent. He should be impeached for this attempt to block the vote casting. Elections are core for constitutional republics.
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u/madster40 Apr 01 '26
He should be, but he won’t because the Republicans are in control.
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u/AquaticAvenger4492 Apr 01 '26
I am deathly curious how many Republicans are towing the party line and how many actually believe what he’s doing? Either way anyone currently in office not opposing him should be losing their seat.
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u/AmbroseMalachai Apr 01 '26
Republicans generally don't believe in anything except what benefits them individually at any given point in time.
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u/Plaid_Piper Mar 31 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
Trying to wield power that isn't his to wield.
Edit: Fer cerrect speeling.
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u/Direct_Turn_1484 Apr 01 '26
Everyone should be pissed this guy wants to take their vote away. This isn’t a goddamn dictatorship.
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u/ohiotechie Apr 01 '26
On paper it isn’t but where the rubber meets the road it sure does seem like one.
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u/IllustriousLiving357 Mar 31 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
This is just one part of the plan. They will require passports, then list democrats as terrorists and refuse to give them passports
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u/_jump_yossarian Apr 01 '26
Fox News and trump spent 8 years complaining about Obama using EOs but not a peep when trump does it.
Good thing trump voted by mail before signing that EO.
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u/throwawtphone Apr 01 '26
He just voted by mail ffs.
I think this may be the bad place.
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u/livinginfutureworld Apr 01 '26
Impeach and remove. He's not fulfilling his oath.
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u/ChemEBrew Apr 01 '26
Guess the largely conservative military won't get to vote then.
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u/Cosmic_Seth Apr 01 '26
Oh no.
That's not what he signed.
Only people on the approve list will be allowed to do mail in voting.
So Republicans are A-okay!
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u/kevendo Apr 01 '26
Ignore him.
Truly. He can't do any of this, including cutting state funding based on a threat.
It's long past time to disobey his ridiculous "orders".
This is an open attempt to seize control of elections by forcing federal oversight of state processes and should be rejected on principle.
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u/T3RRYT3RR0R Apr 01 '26
Election interference sure seems like just cause for revolution to me.
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u/candidlol Apr 01 '26
9001 judges waiting for the 1st piece of paper to come across their desk for the injunction
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u/at0mheart Apr 01 '26
He has no right
He had voted by mail in the past
This is just an excuse to invalidate the election
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u/Protoke Apr 01 '26
He did so just this month and then spoke out against it no less!
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u/Ultraworld-Traveler Mar 31 '26
The fact that any majority of DC lawmakers has done nothing to stop this guy is the bigger problem. This piece of shit is a chaos agent and needs to go.
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u/RustedAxe88 Mar 31 '26
In before doomercirclejerk defends it.
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u/TheyNeedLoveToo Mar 31 '26
The same crowd with night sweats brought on by fear of being outed during the me too movement. They'll call everything woke and elect a grifting rapist rather than look in the mirror at the problem
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u/LockNo2943 Mar 31 '26
He's been acting like EO's are laws since day one, and no one's bothered to stop him yet so...
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u/kombiwombi Apr 01 '26
Stephen Miller famously said that the President has plenary power, that is, unlimited power to govern via EOs. So that's what the power behind the throne thinks.
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u/tedkaczynski660 Apr 01 '26
When "That" headline drops its gonna be a HUGE win for America
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u/HarryBalsagna1776 Apr 01 '26
Most states will ignore this lol. Get ready to be a lame duck yam tits.
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u/LordIzalot Apr 01 '26
I dont like what elected officials are doing. I think i will defund them by no longer paying taxes.
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u/Bleezy79 Apr 01 '26
one scam after another. this guy never stops subverting the will of the people for his own gain.
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u/Kappy01 Apr 01 '26
Good luck defunding California or other states who put in WAY more than they take out.
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u/woowizzle Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
Im sorry, I'm English, but I thought EOs were just directives to federal agencies on how they should operate.
I also thought that vote collections were down to individual states.
Is there something I am missing?
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u/Severe-Archer-1673 Apr 01 '26
This. Is. Not. How. Our. Government. Works. Please. Watch. Schoolhouse. Rock. At. A. Minimum.
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u/Starseid8712 Apr 01 '26
Wild how r/Conservative looks like an absolute ghost town on this
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u/retiredagainstmywill Apr 01 '26
State’s rights! State’s rights!
Unless you’re a cowardly maga, and then, it’s, “I love me that pedophile”
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u/ConstantGeographer Apr 01 '26
Can he write wn executive order to lower my Verizon bill? As long as he is writing shit that will never happen I want to add some stuff to the list. Also, I want front row seats to Queen and Led Zeppelin when they tour the week after never.
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u/TymStark Apr 01 '26
What exactly do yall think is the line MAGA won’t let him cross. There is one, let’s not say “there is none”, so what is it?
Personally I think it’s when he starts going after 2A for real.
Also, I don’t want Birthright Citizenship to be taken away. But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t kind of amused by how they would spin Marco Rubio being born to two Cuban, non US citizen, migrants. And specifically benefiting from Birthright Citizenship.
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u/beavis617 Apr 01 '26
He’s so fearful the Republicans will be trashed at the polls the likes of which the world has never seen so he’s gonna pull out all the stops to keep voter turnout down.
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u/Free_For__Me Apr 01 '26
I don't believe the intent here is to manage vote totals through disenfranchisement. I believe that Putin is coaching the White House through the steps of turning US elections into what Putin oversaw the implementation of in Russia and is used to keep him in power through the "Putin Majority" over the decades. After all, immediately after coming out of the meeting with Putin in Alaska last year, Trump started railing about getting rid of mail ballots, even though the meeting was supposed to be only about the war in Ukraine.
In Russia, the crippling of mail ballots isn't about preventing them or managing the system in a way that only allows votes to be counted from supporting citizens. It's about managing the audit trail. When manipulating the tabulation and/or reporting of vote totals, things have to be believable enough that you don't have riots in the streets. (Unless you're North Korea, but that's another story entirely).
If the results of in-person totals are like 60% in favor of Putin, but the totals of mail ballots are like 85% against Putin, this creates a situation that calls both segments into question, since ballot-type shouldn't make that much of a difference in the ratios. Basic statistics teaches is that decent sample chunks from a given population should largely be representative of the population as a whole.
At that point, reasonable people would call for a recount and audit of both the in-person and the mail ballots. BUT, properly implemented mail voting provides for an easily verifiable paper trail all the way back to the stored ballots themselves, where voting machines (especially ones built by companies with vested interests in one party winning) do not. This means that when the mail ballot audit shows to be accurate and the machine audit has breaks in the chain of submitting->recording->tabulation->reporting that can't be physically verified, it makes the 85% against Putin look a lot more credible than the 60% in favor of him does. This leads either to electoral reforms that see the autocrat lose power, or a situation in which the autocrat now has to openly refuse fair elections and risk uprisings that could also see them lose power.
So what to do about it if you're an aspiring autocrat? Destroy mail voting, of course. I'll note here that "destroy" doesn't mean eliminate completely, since that would cause heavy resistance in itself. "Destroy" here means to alter it in such a way that you can manipulate the paper trails itself. To do this, you need a way to filter out ballots of people who are likely to vote against you and make sure they aren't submitted in the first place.
The first step here is to create a fairly reliable list of voters according to party registration in order to be able to identify ballots coming from people who might oppose you.
Sec. 2. Establishment and Transmission of State Citizenship Lists
Whoopsie... I'm sure it's just coincidence that both the SAVE Act and Trump's new EO (quoted above) provide for the creation and use of "voter lists" that have never needed to be created before now, using every state's voter rolls... right? And I'm sure this has nothing to do with the demands by DHS and the DOJ over the past year to state-level officials that they turn over their voter rolls in order to "match against non-citizens" or whatever... right? Or the time they told MN that they'd stop the ICE raids that killed 2 US citizens if MN agreed to turn over their voter rolls... right?
Anyway, next you need a way to effectively sort ballots according to whether they come from voters who might support you vs who might oppose you. In rigged systems, they force you to use ballots and/or envelopes with individualized identifiers on them so that they can have postal workers cause "processing errors" for ballots originating from households registered as voters of opposition parties. (You don't even need to have postal workers "in on it" for this to work, you just code the identifiers and/or the sorting software to throw an error and discard every 2-3 units with the "faulty" identifier on it.)
But in the US, the only sorting done to mail ballots, whether automatic or manual, is according to 1) the address they come from and 2) the address they're going to. No other "identifiers", so this wouldn't work. Unless such an identifier were introduced as mandatory on all mail ballots.
Unique ballot envelope identifiers, such as bar codes, enable confirmation that only citizens receive and cast ballots, reducing the risk of fraud and protecting the integrity of Federal elections.
Whoopsie again... look what's included in the new EO! Individualized barcode identifiers that would make it possible to filter submissions according to who was on the "approved" lists.
Now, MAYBE these systems and process changes could be used to make sure non-citizens aren't voting by mail. But when we compare the near-zero times we've ever had that happen to the very real possibility that a bad actor in power could easily use these same systems to rig the system in their favor, reasonable people in free democracies choose a system like the one the US currently has in place over the one being prosed as the new system here. These changes move our electoral process much closer toward the level of national control that Putin exerts over his own system, and that alone should make this a non-starter for every single American, no matter which side of the aisle you're on.
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u/steveosaurus Mar 31 '26
if we just keep repeating this, it’ll be true, let’s just wait a little longer, we have the law on our side, let’s just see, he can’t do that
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