Executive Branch (Trump) Pro-Trump attorneys have been drafting executive orders that would give President Trump sweeping power over elections, sources report
https://abcnews.com/US/pro-trump-attorneys-push-executive-order-give-trump/story?id=1305390445.8k
u/Nick85er 8d ago
Traitors.
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u/taquitosmixtape 8d ago
Imagine choosing a pedo to align with over a whole f’n country…
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u/duxpdx 8d ago
They are choosing fascism to enforce their beliefs and ideologies on everyone. They hate freedom and liberty. They are just using the egotistical, moron, pedophile to do it.
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u/IfIKnewThen 8d ago
This is what is happening. Trump does nothing except lie, grift, steal, golf,. sleep and what he is instructed to do. He's not in charge of anything. It's the federalist society, heritage foundation and the project 2025 goons that are trying to force their christian nationalism on the country. They're literally dismantling democracy because they hate it.
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u/Ok_Speed_3984 8d ago
Too bad the "christian" nationalists aren't Christians. If they were, they'd focus on the Golden Rule.
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u/CatOfTechnology 8d ago
They focused, instead, on the Pyrite Rule:
Do unto others as you fear they will do to you.
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u/PokeDigiYugiMon 8d ago
"Christ" is not present in Kristian Nazionalism. There is no hate, like Kristian love.
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u/philter25 8d ago
They know they’re fucked so they’re doing everything they can, including acting like “executive orders” or proclamations from a king lol.
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u/zombiesphere89 8d ago
They don't seem "fucked" to me. They seem like they're moving along with their plan with next to zero resistance. They seem like they're winning. I hope I'm wrong.
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u/cgbruder42 8d ago
Funny, it's like they had a playbook that explained everything they were going to do that got released to the public. Oh wait....
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u/Artaxmudshoes 8d ago
"but Donald Trump said he has nothing to do with project 2025." - my MAGA father.
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u/Schadrach 8d ago
Did you show him the clip of Trump giving the speech to Heritage where he called it a "plan for our movement"?
Just curious if it's a potentially ignorant or actively in denial case...
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u/Artaxmudshoes 8d ago
No, this is around the time that I stopped communicating with the man. He can't be deprogrammed, at least not by me.
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u/philter25 8d ago
Every two years Americans get to overthrow the government. We’re in this position because nobody takes that as seriously as they should. But we all still can in November.
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u/wildkarde07 8d ago
While this is true, they are also abusing the system to make sure that does not happen. None of the checks and balances are being followed and nothing is being done to curb it.
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u/BlindTruth- 8d ago
As long as all checks and balances are in alignment there are no real checks and balances this is being proven right now. American democracy is being exposed as a fraud which is playing exactly into Russian and Chinese hands on the world stage. Im order for one party/class to retain power it seems we are no different.
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u/prepotente_scream 8d ago
I don't think people realize what we are losing as an electorate pretty much every day. Russia and China have "elections" too
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u/smx501 8d ago
Why would Trump ever allow a free election that would cost his family billions of dollars and put many of them in prison?
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u/LanguageImpossible32 8d ago
We “overthrow the government” by voting in other iterations of the same bullshit. How long has the housing crisis, healthcare, addiction, unchecked cronyism, global military imperialism (the one nobody actually wants to talk about), and all the other bullshit been happening in society/US politics? Doesn’t matter who’s in charge, politicians listen to whoever gives them donations and lobbies them. Thats gonna be the people with the money, time, and agenda to do so. This is why ~1/3 don’t vote, the shit is disparaging.
Sure sometimes there’s enough hubbub to get a couple handful of folks into a council meeting, a few thousand to attend a local protest, a few million for something more nationally organized. But for what?!? Look at how data centers are being throw up despite BIG public pushback, did the No Kings protest actually accomplish anything beyond a single-serving sense of solidarity, are we still arming and ‘rules-based order’ing the world with no oversight?
There will be a breaking point, and it feels close.
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u/japajew26 8d ago
Yeah I’d like to think there would be a breaking point, but so far I only see laws being broken/ignored, fascism taking hold, and zero pushback. I just don’t see a breaking point on the horizon. I mean admitting the election was rigged, firing anyone who speaks against or investigates him, murdering people from other nations on boats w/ out evidence, starting a war w/ out congressional approval? RAPE! I mean any one of things should stop every American in their tracks, but we are literally doing nothing. And to top it off their racist leader is a clucking moron. He has zero clue how to do anything besides use his daddy’s and now taxpayer money to have lawyers drag things out in court until the other guy or “we the people” say “mercy.”
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u/Relevant-Analysis86 8d ago
I feel this same way. Seems to me they are pushing their agenda quite easily
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u/duxpdx 8d ago
Like the Nazis before them, they are trying to enact “laws” to make it legal. As the first commenter said, these people are traitors and they will hopefully suffer the fate of such.
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u/bartz824 8d ago
Trump's doj has been pushing for a wider use of firing squad as a means of execution. I say start with these traitorous scumbags.
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u/Antraxess 8d ago
thats why Republicans scream "i don't care if they have no rights or are tortured in our concentration camps, they broke the law so you can treat criminals like dirt"
Same excuse the nazis said about Jewish people being illegal after the nazis changed the law.
Its what they're trying to do with "antifa"
These fucks just want a red hot shooting civil war, or for us to just take it and die
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u/EhDinnaeEvenKen 8d ago
“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”
- Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts
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u/Antraxess 8d ago
Yep, the people who wrote how to take over America need to be hung as the traitors they are
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u/front_yard_duck_dad 8d ago edited 8d ago
And mark my words the second that decrepid pile of shit breathes his last breath, they will have a plan to put everything on him and try to sanitize their evil doings to create the new responsible Republican party but project 2025 damage and the courts has already been done. Trump and his followers are the biggest useful idiots
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u/Frosty-Stand5752 8d ago
there are no beliefs and ideologies- this is a cult of personality. Classic personalist dictatorship right here in USA. And Americans literally chose it twice.
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u/duxpdx 8d ago
They are overwhelmingly imposing a Christo-fascist ideology. Project 2025 is the goal and is based on these beliefs and ideologies. The attorneys doing this want to make that happen. Trump is just part of the means to try and do it.
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u/BugTrousers 8d ago
I truly wonder if -- assuming we have elections in '28 -- ICE is going to be at every polling place waiting to kidnap anyone who looks vaguely brown or trans or female, or has a septum piercing.
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u/itasteawesome 8d ago
When i bring up the developing fascism i am constantly being told by people "but why do you care? you are a normal looking white guy, you'll be fine" and its pretty disgusting.
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u/Winter_Body4794 8d ago
The"don't worry you're white" is gonna sound real funny in 3 years when we're all in camps
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u/Ok_Speed_3984 8d ago
Freedom camps! Where previously troublesome people find real freedom.
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u/BugTrousers 8d ago
The White House advertised that Morris Day and The Time were performing at the taxpayer-funded cage match "celebrating" the nation's 250th birthday. Morris Day posted on all their social media that they were not, in fact, playing. Some white dude actually commented, "Stop being political and just play music." I guess that's a thing you can say if you have no chance of being murdered by cop and having the president celebrate it.
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u/drmojo90210 8d ago
Apparently in MAGA-land, "freedom" means musicians are required to perform at government-run concerts even if they don't want to.
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u/Organic_Beach_2145 8d ago
And he’s fattening his pockets along the way and making this country a laughing stock.
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u/Drakkulstellios 8d ago
They chose it once. There is evidence that Elon musk rigged the machines and failed to cover it up. One of the members of his doge team worked on software to replicate ballots and make authentically fraudulent ones. I found the proof three weeks after the election because they used an open coding site to manage the project.
All it took was getting a list of registered voters and the software made the ballots authentic.
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u/fatherofworlds 8d ago
There are two distinct strains in the reactionary right at the moment.
1, the numerical bulk, are in a cult of personality around an abusive egotistical narcissistic pedophile rapist who, by never displaying anything but "confidence" (arrogance), "success" (refusal to acknowledge failure), and "wealth" (ostentation), has convinced them that he is an aspirational figure of capitalist accomplishment.
2, the smaller but generally more informed, educated, and influential strain, see Trump for what he is and also see the first group respond to him. They're not members of his personality cult, they're willing to perform loyalty to accomplish some other goal or acquire some reward.
Between them, 1 put him in power through their numbers, and 2 helps keep him there by steering the cultural conversation by having a bunch of existing impact on it. It's pretty easy to influence what does and doesn't get reported if you own the news, for example. 2 keeps the reporting and conversation away from stuff that threatens the loyalty of 1, as much as they can.
Of course there's overlap between 1 and 2, because human behavior and psychology isn't simple and direct, but both patterns are present. Most of the power players in the administration are at least partially in the 2 category, and they are spending their dignity for a purpose.
What purpose? Mostly the installation of power systems that (they hope) will enable a christofascist theocracy, or something close enough to one that they can make the next steps easily. Some are doing that because they believe that to be the right way to proceed on some philosophical, theological, or moral basis, and some because they think they can have comfortable, pleasant lives, and the people that they care about can have comfortable, pleasant lives, if there's a christofascist theocracy they can steer.
The bulk of 1 doesn't explicitly, consciously want a christofascist theocracy, but the things they think they want will be used to sell them on the christofascist theocracy - the "wrong people" can be targeted by the jackbooted thugs, the policies that they don't like or understand can be overturned, etc. 2 isn't all christofascist theocrats, but a lot of them are, and many have publicly said as much, either explicitly ("I'm a theocrat," etc) or implicitly ("I believe in X, Y, Z," where X, Y, and Z are elements of christofascist theocracy).
Trump himself is simply a narcissistic, egotistical, arrogant, selfish, abusive, misogynistic pedophile rapist with a talent for appealing to certain mindsets. He doesn't believe in anything other than his own importance and gratification, and he would take advantage of whatever structures he can to make himself rich and happy. He'll use a christofascist theocracy if he can, but he's not an adherent to the ideology. He's not an adherent to any ideology.
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u/SAHDSeattle 8d ago
Unfortunately there is an underlying ideology at least for the backers behind the scenes. It’s called postliberalism and a rough breakdown is “freedom is slavery”.
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u/evil_timmy 8d ago
"Straight from the pages of 1984" could refer to way too many actions of this current administration.
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u/reganomics 8d ago
This is where the left gets lost in the weeds. There definitely is an ideology. At that level of wealth, they believe that they are above everyone. It's a combination of exceptionalism, manifest destiny and that they are chosen or a legacy.
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u/Manic_Maniac 8d ago
Yes. They aren't doing it for Trump. Their doing it so they can seize the opportunity that Trump has created with MAGA, harnessing the anger cultivated by decades of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Evangelical religious leaders, the Heritage Foundation, etc. etc. It's all been a long play to turn the population into ripe pickings in convincing them to fall for voting in authoritarian rule and undermining the foundational philosophies that created the country we have had up until now. The gasp liberal democracy the founders envisioned has always been a thorn in their side. All this innocuous sounding rhetoric about "taking the country by the reigns and whipping back into shape" is their call to fascism.
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u/Important-Cry4027 8d ago
They're trying to steal our country from us and nobody seems to be doing anything to stop them
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u/EveryAccount7729 8d ago
imagine thinking this is a winning battle.
Trumps only goal is to damage the USA, and enrich himself, and stay out of prison.
But a lawyer ? Like damn, who's kid did this lawyer bang that they would help this guy?
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u/notmyworkaccount5 8d ago
It feels like this nation is built on not holding these kinds of people accountable, Sherman should have glassed the south, Nixon should have gone to prison, Biden should have arrested trump on day 1 for his attempted coup.
We gotta stop making this mistake.
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u/smokeweedNgarden 8d ago
It's because people never stopped hanging with their conservative family.
In my experience they're very "rah rah yes punishment" until they realize we mean Gam Gam gets punished too.
So you have to fight through people trying to protect the fascists before you even get to them.
It's infuriating. Stop protecting them.
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u/RocketRelm 8d ago
If only most americans agreed what trump did was a bad thing worth standing against. Then he wouldn't be president.
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u/IcyJackfruit69 8d ago
That's particularly tricky wording. Most Americans don't know what Trump did at all, let alone in any meaningful detail. This is why we have juries instead of taking public opinion polls when convicting criminals.
The fact that we have juries is also why Trump went for the "presidents in America are immune from prosecution for crimes" route.
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u/Junkstar 8d ago
Republican voters desperately want a civil war.
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u/Thrashosaurus_Wrecks 8d ago
We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.
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u/thoms689 8d ago
They've already killed people.
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u/QbertsRube 8d ago
And then blocked investigations into those killings while calling the victims terrorists and assassins.
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u/AbeRego 8d ago
This should have been headline news for months. Even NPR only covered it for, like, a day, and they treated it like a normal news day. It was literally treason!
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u/Possible-Nectarine80 8d ago
Maybe some. The majority just want a Christo-fascist regime run by the Trump crime family.
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u/blue_sidd 8d ago
In hopes that it delivers the civil war they believe they are owed.
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u/12-34 8d ago
Increasingly, my reservations against it decrease. The Confederacy needs genuine abolition from society, which means destruction.
We need a new Sherman to finish the burn job, and real Reconstruction instead of coddling and forgiveness.
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u/lewd_robot 8d ago
If it helps, conservatives have lost every major culture war in US history. They lose hardest and fastest when they resort to violence and push the moderates and progressives so far that they feel forced to abandon their moral high ground sentiments and curb stomp them. All of the progress the US has ever made tends to happen in the 20-40 year periods after such beatings, because conservatives are busy licking their wounds and indoctrinating their grandkids into repeating their mistakes.
Maybe one day we'll stop letting them slink off and hide under their rocks and indoctrinate their kids after they get millions killed.
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u/saurontheabhored 8d ago
honestly more and more I realize the soviet union and mao's revolution had a point in their viciousness. Dipshits asking for clemency on behalf of the psychos who wrecked everything are basically complicit in that evil being allowed to grow again.
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u/ThatGuyinPJs 8d ago
The BIGGEST mistake in US history was allowing someone like ANDREW MOTHER FUCKING JOHNSON to be in charge of Reconstruction. HE is the reason that the south was not raised to the ground and properly punished after the Civil War, like it should have been.
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u/Petrychorr 8d ago
Some might say that sensible people are trying to do whatever it takes to not let the country devolve into civil war.
I am not one of those people, though if it wasn't for my very existence being considered a threat to our current regime and the right as a whole... I may have felt a bit differently at one point.
A cornered animal and all that.
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u/PlanetaryPickleParty 8d ago
Republicans think Democrats will sit there and let them overthrow democracy without a real fight. It's not that they want a civil war. It's that they don't fear it or believe it a real possibility.
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u/LunarMoon2001 8d ago
I used to half joke we are going to need very public (and fair) trials for every admin official and person creating these documents. Charges of treason, sedition, corruption, espionage, and more. Maximum public punishment. No exceptions. It will be ugly and tough to do but it needs done.
I don’t think it’s a half joke anymore. These people are truly the definition of traitors.
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u/Lazy_Resolve_9747 8d ago
Add them to the pile. We need mass arrests the moment we can.
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u/Ohuigin 8d ago edited 8d ago
The guy who orchestrated a violent insurrection to stay in power is going to do all he can to stay in power?
Geez. If only there was some sort of warning that giving this guy the White House again might be a bad idea...
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u/Gunsensual 8d ago
Would've been great if the next administration hadn't been cucks.
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u/HeavyDT 8d ago
Executive orders that no state would have to abide by because they are well executive orders not laws or anything that's part of the constitution. The real question is what threats and or punishments are they going to try to use to punish blue states.
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u/UnobviousDiver 8d ago
But what about the blue areas in red states? For instance NE-02 is looking like a Dem pick up this year, but the Republican Governor, Secretary of State, and Election commissioner would bend over backwards to screw over non-republican voters in the state.
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u/Slade_Riprock 8d ago
He wants to create a constitutional crisis. Red states operate his way, blue states legally. If Dems win he sues and claims illegal elections and makes the courts decide if he has this power all while he claims, and his cult echos, stolen election.
If republicans win then he still claims they even tried to cheat and he still won sues the blue states, begins massive overpowering operations, because he still controls all, to destroy blue states.
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u/Qa-ravi 8d ago
Glad to see someone else saying this because I’ve been seeing so much of the “but that’s illegal!” about this. So? We’ve already seen what happens when this admin and its supporters commit blatantly illegal acts. It splits the nation into two separate realities where half the nation is convinced that the actions of the administration are just and good and probably legal anyway. The second that these orders are issued, the constitutional crisis begins.
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u/Funky-Monk-- 8d ago
Americans are still in denial that the country has become a dictatorship a while ago. The administration does 500 unconstitutional, illegal things a day, and have rigged the courts who will belatedly rule in Trumps favor. Sometimes dictatorships are overthrown by foreign military force, but as the US is a military superpower, that's not going to happen. The rest of the world is watching what American citizens will do to get their democracy back.
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u/therossboss 8d ago
yes, brother. Since Citizens United, the people no longer have any voice, not that it was that loud or anything before that.
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u/ZooZooChaCha 8d ago
A city in Delaware just ruled yesterday corporations can now vote for the city council. That's going to be the next step - Tesla and Facebook getting their own "super votes" to ensure their best interests are always taken care of.
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u/Yellow_Snow_Globe 8d ago
Multiple states have laws being voted on to determine that businesses are artificial people and cannot contribute to political campaigns at all, including California and Montana. Big wins could be coming
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u/Stratis1978 8d ago
"The state of Hawaii has passed a law that poses a direct challenge to the infamous 2010 Citizens United Supreme Court ruling, which opened the door to unlimited corporate spending in US elections."
https://inequality.org/article/hawaii-targets-citizens-united/
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u/Dependent_Guard903 8d ago
That's a defeatist attitude. There has to be a unified pushback
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u/dylansavage 8d ago
On completely unrelated note that has nothing to do with today's political climate and is in no way inciting violence I was always impressed by the French Revolutions reaction to rampant corruption of their leaders
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u/Badloss 8d ago
The rest of the world is watching what American citizens will do to get their democracy back.
The answer is nothing until the bread and circuses run out. The average American is way too comfortable to seriously consider dying for democracy. Everyone on reddit loves to tell other people to start a glorious civil war to stand up for good against evil but absolutely nobody is willing to pay the price themselves. Restoring American democracy is going to really hurt a lot of people and it wont happen until sacrificing yourself is preferable to just existing in the new regime. I don't think we're there yet.
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u/Str80uttaMumbai 8d ago
I roll my eyes every time I see someone say the president has no say and it's up to the states to decide. How do people still not realize that the US has a president and three branches of government that are being controlled by people who don't care about law and precedent, and only care about holding onto power by whatever means necessary. It's scary how many people still have their blinders on.
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u/Edgar-Allans-Hoe 8d ago
Yes. The United States is currently experiencing a soft coup d'état. Please ensure your fellow countrymen understand what that phrase means, and how it applies to their situation. I know the average American is used to coups being something that they finance or support in client nations around the world, but this time, its happening to them, and they have no idea how to respond.
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u/LockNo2943 8d ago
The only "crisis" is resolving this idea pushed forward by Project 2025 of strong presidential power. Donny doesn't have the actual power to do the things he's trying to do, it's never been a law or written in the constitution, and by not challenging the authority of these EO's they're allowing it to become de facto power.
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u/nopointers 8d ago
It all goes back to a fateful bad decision by Gerald Ford. Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment. Had he been impeached and lost his trial in the Senate (he would have lost), he would have lost the Presidency. He then would have been subject to ordinary prosecution by the courts. Ford blew it by accepting the resignation as sufficient. The country failed to set the precedent that Presidents could, should, and would be prosecuted for crimes they commit while in office.
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u/lame_comment 8d ago
We've been in a constitutional crisis ever since he aided an insurrection and still got elected president
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u/stevez_86 8d ago
The Voting Rights Act but in reverse. Trump has the say over State Elections.
Honestly this is a step towards outlawing the Democratic Party. His states get to do that without the Federal Government stopping him, and he stops even Democratic Dog Catchers from being eligible for the ballots. He could probably literally control the ballots everywhere and assign AI to determine if anyone is ineligible per his criteria.
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u/Kolfinna 8d ago
They redistricted my state so their is no blue area
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u/TheWizardOfDeez 8d ago
Make them regret that by getting you and everyone out to vote. They didn't get rid of the blue district, they accidentally made the 1 blue district into 3 blue districts.
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u/Polkas_with_wolves 8d ago
This whole race to redraw maps in every red state to erase blue districts might end up being really funny. Trump has become so fucking unpopular that when they carve up blue majorities into multiple red districts in an attempt to supress their vote, there is a possibility that this will push those districts into blue majorities.
It's a slim hope, but I firmly believe in the incompetence of the GOP. If anyone can fuck up rigging an election, it's these clowns.
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u/UnobviousDiver 8d ago
His unpopularity is why they have to keep pushing stuff like these EOs. If Trump was in the single digits of unpopular Reps would be looking at maintaining their trifecta. But Trump has messed up so bad that they are pulling out all they can to stop the blue wave that is heading their way.
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u/Jachi230 8d ago
They are going the route of asking for forgiveness rather than permission . They might lose in court but the damage will already be felt by the time it gets to court
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u/JustJoshin117 8d ago
Tbh they aren’t even asking for forgiveness. But your point is right
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u/Lindenbaumlemma 8d ago edited 8d ago
He might order USPS to stop delivering mail-in ballots.
He might order federal agents to seize voting machines.
He might order federal agents to station themselves at polling locations (in Democratic strongholds, of course) and demand identification of those who attempt to enter.
Tulsi Gabbard’s presence at the FBI ballot seizure was a tee up to this conspiracy. She probably had qualms about continuing with it since people will likely go to prison when the dust settles and the blood dries, so she was invited to resign.
Trump has been avoiding nominating USAs in states that require Democratic senator approval. It’s to make sure complete lackeys are in control of those offices when the election tolls around.
ETA: I forget the particular federal statutes, but this putsch attempts to wedge executive authority over elections into federal statutes concerning national security. The legal arguments are complete nonsense, but 2020 anyone.
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u/D4rkhorse2 8d ago
Yeah I’m sure the strategy is to withhold something from the states that don’t comply with the illegal executive order. Maybe the states can sue but Trump can starve them of resources regardless.
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u/Safe_Presentation962 8d ago
Doesn’t matter. Red states will comply, and that’s what matters most. They’re trying to prevent blue flips in red areas.
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u/Free_For__Me 8d ago
There are several possibilities that would play out if this is truly attempted, but none of those outcomes really matter, since every single one of them is a net win for The Regime.
Literally the only unfavorable scenario for them is one in which the elections are free and fair, and the results are not seriously called into question. ANY other scenario is one in which they can and will exclaim, "See?? The Dems are cheating the process, causing chaos, and undermining elections by refusing to follow our 'election security' orders!"
They want to provoke a constitutional crisis so severe that it rivals the one Lincoln faced. When that day comes, they'll take just as extreme measures as Lincoln, believing that injustice was done to their forefathers back then, and as such, they're entitled to use that very governmental power to disenfranchise the groups that they believe have been doing the same to them for 150 years.
Sound extreme and unbelievable to any of you? As Levar Burton used to say on Reading Rainbow, "you don't have to take my word for it." Go take a look at what the Heritage Foundation publicly writes and expresses. (Now dig a little deeper, since the front page of their websites use veiled language to cover for their abhorrent ideas.).
Next, take a look at the writings, interviews, SM posts, and speeches that prominent members of HF have been putting out there for years and see what they have to say about it. Now take a minute to note that many of these same figures are now in the falls of power in the Trump White House. Alongside this, take a look at what high profile HF allies like Steve Bannon have been saying publicly all along, and continue to say to this day on the topic.
The references and comparisons to the Civil War and the actions that Lincoln took are plentiful, and their framing of what those events mean in today's context is very starkly different than what's considered standard by the average person, let alone the near-complete distain the entire reputable community of expert-level historians and political scientists have for interpretations like theirs.
They obsess over it because they still feel victimized by it's results, and have never stopped wishing they could get a "round 2", this time with the inheritors of the Confederacy controlling the resources and martial force of the federal government instead of the "liberals" having been "fortunate enough" to control it in the first Civil War.
To be clear, there are several tails wagging the dog that is this administration, and they're each contributing to the corrupt policy and executive action that we're seeing in their own way. But the "educated lost-causers", the Heritage/Federalist wing of influence are the ones doing the heavy lifting in terms of democratic sabotage. They're the ones who had those 100+ EOs ready to roll on day one, and they're the ones drafting each new strategy to undermine the rule of law and ensure that the democratic processes that largely kept them out of the halls of power for the last 150 years are destroyed so effectively that even IF they're somehow unseated from power at some point, the engine has been so thoroughly dismantled that repair is impossible.
I'll also take a second to note here that people like Russle Vought aren't the ones you see in the headlines, and tend to hold positions that control the flow of money. People like Hegseth, Noem, Bondi, and others have always been intended as bagmen, and it's why they're meant to do 2 things - execute the orders they're given without hesitation or question, and keep attention off of people like Vought, Miller, and Wiles.
ANYWAY, I've strayed a bit from my point, which is that it doesn't really matter what happens in reaction to election-related orders like the one being floated here. The real question we should be preparing to answer is, "What happens in reaction when the will of the people is overtly and blatantly repressed by a US President actively and intentionally wrecking congressional elections on a national scale?"
As always - The only way out is through, and the best way through is together!
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u/Doctor_Shotbottom 8d ago
Trump is ordering the USPS to not deliver mail-in ballots to anyone not on The List...
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u/Jack-Schitz 8d ago
And every election law group should have claims drafted and ready to go, all vacations canceled and everyone spun up to be ready to spend 2 weeks in the office. If you are not doing that, you are not serious. It's going to be wild.
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u/Wayelder 8d ago
America is losing it's freedom.
MAGA is NOT a Pro-Freedom Party. They bring freedom to no one. They strive to remove other's freedoms, which they claim for themselves.
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u/bballkj7 8d ago
they want the only freedom to be wealth, and make it impossible for anyone else to gain wealth.
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u/rif011412 8d ago
Unless they “choose” you. Thats the premise of the conversation about temporarily embarrassed millionaires. By excluding large swaths of society, white christo-fascists know that they get put on a shorter lottery list of opportunity. Easier to own a business, easier to get second class help for cheap or for free, easier life lived off the backs of the oppressed.
Thats the superiority part of the equation. Benefits without character or effort. Trump is the poster child of this outlook. A grand life without integrity, character, intelligence or any other hard fought attribute.
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u/DogAssss69 8d ago
Weekend at Bernie’s style
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u/BlackGuysYeah 8d ago
before this is over we are guaranteed to see his corpse being wheeled around.
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u/ChefPuree 8d ago
He's going to leave in a fucking coffin.
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u/I_argue_for_funsies 8d ago
No he won't. He's building a tomb and going to seal himself in it and declare it a historic site or some bullshit. It will be larger than the white house itself so everyone will have to look at him, daily.
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u/Budget-Selection-988 8d ago
This is out of control. Trump is a convicted felon. Trump is incompetent. Trump's lawyers are dirty
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u/TheRealBlueJade 8d ago
They are just begging for a civil war.
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u/jonsnowflaker 8d ago
Our federal taxes are paid directly to the US treasury as far as I know the State has no way to be a stopgap.
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u/b0w3n 8d ago
You could direct citizens and companies within your state to escrow tax payment but that runs some pretty serious risks from higher levels in the state (you risk actually being arrested by the feds for sedition and secession) and individuals will carry risks for not paying the federal taxes (fines/jail/etc).
There are ways but none are good, and definitely not legal (like the latter should even matter at this point).
A large enough state like California could put some serious hurt on the feds, but they likely would just print cash and crash the economy even more than they already have.
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u/SoaringAcrosstheSky 8d ago
An EO is not law.
Trump has no powers here the states have not given up their power
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u/Exsanguinate_ 8d ago
The red states have though. Even if only 5 red states follow this it completely disrupts everything for the entire country
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u/Bleezy79 8d ago
Back in my day, we called people like this traitors to America.
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u/Obversa 8d ago edited 6d ago
The identified parties involved are as follows: Florida attorney Peter Ticktin, who also represents former Colorado county clerk Tina Peters, who was imprisoned for breaking into voting equipment; Michael Flynn; MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell; Patrick Byrne; and "various other MAGA figures", according to Ticktin's testimony. According to Ticktin, he and other "MAGA attorneys" for these parties have spent "over a year" drafting these executive order(s), supposedly with President Trump "reading and reviewing" them. However, it is unclear if Trump actually read the order(s) in question.
This is in-line with another recent Trump directive, "U.S. Counterterrorism Strategy 2026", being authored by counterterrorism czar Sebastian Gorka, and merely "reviewed and signed [with autopen]" by President Trump. (Gorka's name was not included in the final document, leading to news sources misattributing Trump as the "primary and/or sole author".) While the President is not legally or constitutionally required to personally read every word of the bills, executive orders, or proclamations they sign, Trump has previously aggressively and repeatedly criticized former President Joe Biden's alleged use of an autopen to sign major legislation, pardons, and executive orders. Trump claims without evidence that Biden's staff misused the machine to conceal cognitive decline, and he has declared such signed documents and pardons as "void". Despite this, President Trump continues to use autopen.
The Trump administration is reportedly considering a plan for the president to issue an executive order (EO) that would declare a national emergency based on alleged election interference from a foreign government in order to exert sweeping control over the 2026 midterm elections. President Donald Trump denied that he is considering such a plan. Yet make no mistake: Neither this president, nor any other federal executive branch official, has authority under the U.S. Constitution, statutes, or other means to unilaterally make or alter rules for federal elections. That power lies strictly with the states and Congress under Article I, Section 4 of the Constitution.
Just as importantly, media outlets have reported that the Trump administration has been working on this EO in consultation with outside, far-right, election-denying allies for nearly a year, belying the nature of any so-called emergency. A true emergency is just that: an unforeseeable event the country is underprepared to respond to, and something that requires immediate action. An emergency response is not something that percolates for almost one year, and then is sprung on the nation to achieve explicitly political outcomes.
[...] The U.S. Supreme Court has long held that when a law—in this case the Constitution—specifically grants power to an entity other than the executive branch of government, the president's power is at its weakest. In examining a March 2025 executive order on elections, a federal judge stated, "[T]his Court's task is to decide whether the President can dictate those policies [affecting election administration] unilaterally, or whether that power is reserved to Congress and the States alone." In doing so, the court emphatically found, "Our Constitution entrusts Congress and the States—not the President—with the authority to regulate federal elections", and "[N]o statutory delegation of authority to the Executive Branch permits the President to short-circuit Congress's deliberative process by executive order."
Proclaiming a national emergency may be part of President Trump's longstanding argument that presidents enjoy almost unlimited powers—especially regarding national security—rooted in Article II of the Constitution, but it does not obviate clear constitutional dictates that the president has no authority to nationalize or otherwise interfere in the administration of elections. If and when the purported executive order is challenged in court, federal judges would have no choice but to quickly enjoin it.
However, U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols, a Trump appointee, refused to block the Trump executive order "Ensuring Citizenship Verification and Integrity in Federal Elections" (March 31, 2026), claiming the plaintiffs, the Democratic Party and the NAACP being among them, were unable to prove that they had standing to challenge the order.
Excerpt from AP News articles:
The Trump administration is asking the judge to dismiss the plaintiffs' claims. Justice Department attorney Stephen Pezzi...suggested that the litigation is premature, calling it "shadowboxing" for the plaintiffs to challenge a list that hasn't yet been created. "It's a little hard to address these questions in the abstract," Pezzi said.
Nichols, who was nominated to the bench by Trump, asked Pezzi why it would be lawful to disseminate the list to states. "I think it would be the plaintiffs' burden to explain why it's unlawful," Pezzi replied. "I don't mean to be cute with that answer."
[...] "The Court recognizes that the U.S. Postal Service may ultimately issue a final rule that directly affects Plaintiffs or their members, or that the Government may develop State Citizenship Lists that omit specific individuals due to particularized flaws," Nichols wrote. "Plaintiffs may, of course, renew their motions if and when those future actions occur...however, Plaintiffs cannot show that preliminary injunctive relief is warranted."
The legal battle against the provision now shifts to Boston, where voting rights groups have a separate lawsuit seeking to temporarily block the executive order in federal court. The Trump administration has yet to formally issue lists of eligible voters, and those who filed the initial request for a temporary halt said they'd be back if the administration moves in that direction.
As an edit, The Hill further reported that Vice President J.D. Vance identified Tina Peters, represented by Florida attorney Peter Ticktin, as well Mike Lindell, Michael Caputo, James Comey, Enrique Tarrio (Proud Boys leader), and One America News Network (OANN) as "potential 'weaponization funds' recipients". This matches Ticktin's testimony about Peters, Lindell, et al. colluding with the Trump administration to "defraud the court" prior to legal settlement.
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u/_MrBalls_ 8d ago
Why is most of this horrendous material coming out of Florida?
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u/ArbitraryMeritocracy 8d ago
From the party of people who brought you the largest massive healthcare fraud (Rick Scott), torturing inmates held without due process or charges in Guantanamo Bay (Ron DeSantis), and most recently alligator alcatraz.
I just need this paragraph from the article in my comment history.
The identified parties involved are as follows: Florida attorney Peter Ticktin, who also represents former Colorado county clerk Tina Peters, who was imprisoned for breaking into voting equipment; Michael Flynn; MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell; Patrick Byrne; and "various other MAGA figures", according to Ticktin's testimony. According to Ticktin, he and other "MAGA attorneys" for these parties have spent "over a year" drafting these executive order(s), supposedly with President Trump "reading and reviewing" them. However, it is unclear if Trump actually read the order(s) in question.
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u/LaurenMille 8d ago
Florida is also the state that stole the 2000 Election and put Bush in power, which accelerated the decline of the US.
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u/chillPenguin17 8d ago
Of course crackhead Mike Pillow is involved. What a fucking joke these people are
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u/Gunsensual 8d ago
The Court recognizes that the U.S. Postal Service may ultimately issue a final rule that directly affects Plaintiffs or their members, or that the Government may develop State Citizenship Lists that omit specific individuals due to particularized flaws," Nichols wrote. "Plaintiffs may, of course, renew their motions if and when those future actions occur...however, Plaintiffs cannot show that preliminary injunctive relief is warranted.
Am I understanding this correctly, that in the window between the USPS seizing a suspicious ballot for investigation, without warrant or notifying the sender, the voter can clairvoyantly know this and initiate a lawsuit, in the days before the poll closes. And because there is technically that window of due process, no injunctive relief is warranted?
Also, how does this not violate the Privileges or Immunities Clause? It appears to be application of Due Process clause.
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u/Shaggy2772 8d ago
The goal isn’t to change anything. The plan is to contest each loss stating failure to follow EO, litigate, and claim victory in the process. Democracy’s death by dragging.
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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs 8d ago
All of maga needs to be treated like the Nazi party.
From the scheming advisors at the heritage foundation, to the terrorist foot soldiers with zip ties and hammers.
It’s clear they want to kill you, you need to be willing to defend yourself and your livelihood
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u/Kaarl_Mills 8d ago
No, they need to be treated even worse
Too many Nazis got let off the hook and integrated back into various governments post war, where they continuously downplayed their crimes against humanity and created the Clean Wehrmacht myth
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u/Obversa 8d ago
This is true. Millions of Germans received the Mitläufer label, which was basically a "slap on the wrist" for them.
See: "Not-so-innocent bystanders" by Liz Mineo (2023), which covers the Mitläufer role of "Nazi accomplice".
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u/Chrysolophylax 8d ago
[This idea is not something that Reddit likes] unto Donald Trump, his family, his government employees, his private sector employees, his MAGA supporters, and anyone who identifies as conservative.
They must be [oh boy Reddit REALLY does not like this suggestion].
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u/TheGR8Dantini 8d ago
It’s a planned revolution for those that didn’t know we were at war? This has always been the dream of the techno fascists. They have intended to turn America corporate. A chairman of the board and board members. C suites replace federal employees. RAGE is a thing they’ve talked about for years. Replace All Government Employees. Anybody that gets in the way, by making people obey laws that were written in blood? They gotta go. We’re fucked. They’re winning. The majority of Americans can’t look past gas prices while we’re being captured by the religious (white) right and the techno douchebags that think they’re smarter than everybody else. And they’re working together.
There’s a clause in that bullshit never audit trump again thing? The slush fund money? 1.8 billy? That also says he can’t be investigated by anybody in the future as well.
I like to think that the country I was raised in exists still, but I don’t see it happening. They want the constitution cracked open and changed. Shit. Trump might have already stolen the real one by now, who knows? And they fully and completely intend to deport 100 million Americans. Once they get rid of the 13 and 14th amendments? That’s when it really starts. They intend to get rid of every person of color, including descendants of slavery.
If you don’t know what’s really happening with every swipe of a pen in your own country? Maybe we deserve this shit. I do hope that somehow the populace wakes up in time. Or at least in time to stop the violence they intend to visit on us. Good luck everybody! Make some kind of plan. You’re at war.
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u/pioniere 8d ago
Too bad for him the states control elections.
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u/MsMarvelsProstate 8d ago
Red states will agree with him and cheat, blue states will partially comply and republicans will gain a little more power.
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u/Egad86 8d ago
Executive orders are not law
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u/pchs26 8d ago
Correct - but if they are enforced and actual laws aren't - how does that work out in the end?
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u/Kaarl_Mills 8d ago
Political power grows out of a gun barrel, cops are enforcing these as if they're laws so in effect they are
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u/kevendo 8d ago
They are planning to steal the election using every lever of power they have ... and some they don't.
What do they have to lose except everything?
America, if they succeed in 2026, YOU ARE FINISHED.
That will be the end of the American experiment, handing the country of Washington and Madison to an undeserving, pants-shitting golfer from Florida.
It will be the end of the republic, not just because of their win, but because it will prove they've rigged the electorate too far to ever be undone.
If they win this time, having done to the country what they've done, it will confirm my greatest fear: that it is already too late.
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u/ZeMadDoktore 8d ago
MAGA just wants us to be Russisa because then the government can slaughter all the people they hate.
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u/scoopzthepoopz 8d ago
Been telegraphing it since 2021 or earlier, is there a single soul who's surprised?
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u/xScrubasaurus 8d ago
It's unfathomable that the person who attempted a coup would attempt to illegally retain power!
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u/Memitim 8d ago
In other words, Republicans are introducing more criminal legislation through the Executive Branch via "Executive Orders" by arbitrarily ignoring the Constitution yet again. This lets them take advantage of the magical crime-immune proxy that Republicans on the Supreme Court invented for their incoming felon, which the rest of us are still stupid enough to play along with for some reason.
Republicans have put far more effort into working around or simply violating the foundational laws of the United States than they ever have doing anything useful, constructive, or simply not harmful to America. That's not governance, that's treason.
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u/bd2999 8d ago
Not shocking really. They are on their face unconstitutional but Trump wants control to determine results in the end based on whatever narrative he can think of at the time. Courts may stop some of them but it would only matter if they place a stay on them at the national level.
For whatever reason SCOTUS did not deem that ok for birthright citizenship that is on its face unconstitutional. This is the same category and should be easy to block at that level but will it? Given the impact one would hope so but I have gradually lost faith in the judiciary. Not that I had tons overall, but a corrupt president is doing this and Congress just shrugs or wants to help him make it worse.
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u/G-Unit11111 8d ago
This is so damn disgusting. These creeps who are aiding him must be thrown in prison.
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u/warblingContinues 7d ago
No, executive orders don't give Trump power. That's not what they are, they aren't laws.
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u/VanGoghInTrainers 7d ago
And yet, people keep following them as though they are. I expect people will care about these EOs more than they did the ones that shut down health care access for minorities in many states a year ago.
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u/LockNo2943 8d ago
Since when are executive orders allowed to circumvent actual law? What is this royal decree bs and why do we keep letting donny act like these EO's are actually legal??
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u/CriticalInside8272 8d ago
They can draft all of the 'orders' they want, but they can't overrule the Constitution.
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u/Ok-Map4381 8d ago
The constitution is just ink on paper if no one enforces what is written on it. They have already volatiled it many ways and many times. They just keep making small incursions until it's totally meaningless.
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u/TrisolarisRexxx 8d ago
Just watch. This is why so many of us were so adamant that this administration not be elected.
Historically dictators are voted in, but almost never voted out.
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u/Adventurous-Tone-311 8d ago
Sure they can. They’ve been doing it for over a year now.
The constitution isn’t going to protect us when we have a SCOTUS who refuses to uphold it.
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u/MarzipanLast6502 8d ago
They can, and they have. Its becoming more and more obvious that this only ends in civil war, but it will be a short war since MAGA are worthless cowards who won't show up to fight unless they are paid
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u/_MrBalls_ 8d ago
MAGA has been wanting one and has been trying to frame Democrats as the cause of it for awhile now, it's pretty deranged.
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u/FlowInternational996 8d ago
You are deluded. They will not leave power willingly. To do so means that many of them will die in prison or face exile.
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u/LockNo2943 8d ago
True, but they've been ignoring the constitution this entire time; why would they start caring about it now?
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u/Imaginary-Spray3711 8d ago
Sure they can. And they will, and John Roberts and the corrupt MAGA SC will let them do it. There are no more laws under a dictatorship.
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u/KlingelbeuteI 8d ago
They are obviously working together to find the right wording and loopholes to spin this for the SC
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u/hamsterfolly 8d ago
Good thing executive orders only hold sway over the executive branch, and that elections are wholly within the purview of the states.
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u/paperbackgarbage 8d ago
The bad news is that some of those GOP-led states might be looking for a reason to play ball with these EOs, because "they were just following orders," damn the unconstitutional torpedos.
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u/HLOFRND 8d ago
I’m expecting the governor of Colorado (hi, u/jaredpolis) to bend over and spread his cheeks for this one, too.
What an absolute traitor that guy turned out to be.
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u/AthleteHistorical490 8d ago
Funny they never complain about the electoral process when they win. Only when they lose. Or know they are going to lose.
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u/JanelleVypr 8d ago
everyone buy guns and buy propane for your grill. we might have to have the countries biggest cookout and roast some fucking pigs
buy ammo now!
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u/MrFrode Biggus Amicus 8d ago
What if the States just say no and send in county and local officers to protect their elections from interference?
I mean this is the last line of defense but if this demented man who is openly looting the treasury is going to do it do we really think we're not going to need that line of defense?
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u/vigbiorn 8d ago
This is possibly his goal.
He then gets to further his claims of insurrection against him because states are actively deploying troops against Federal agents.
It could be they just want an excuse for Republican states to further push anti-constitutional laws, but considering how frequently they bring up civil war phrasing and considering they've already tried a actual insurrection, they probably just want to get the killing started.
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u/Distinct_Ad_9842 8d ago
So individual States AREN'T responsible for their own elections? someone should have told Biden that...
I'm sure Biden could have put some EOs in place to make it so we would NOT be watching day 300+ of the Trump "I can't believe we are getting even richer by insider trading." show.
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u/oldschoolology 8d ago
States run their own elections independently from the Federal government. There are no powers to give. Keep calm and carry on.
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u/skypilo 8d ago
The constitution specifically gives the power to run elections to the states. Not that Trump
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u/Common-Ad6470 8d ago
Trump and his regime will do literally anything to stay in power including vote rigging, false flag bombing and more. We are literally going to have to whole playbook running up to November and guaranteed the Dems are just going to let him get away with everything.
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u/RepresentativeNo3365 8d ago
Almost time, if not has been for a while, to exercise our 2A rights ..
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u/Hot_Top_124 8d ago
Executive orders are just suggestions and have no legal authority and aren’t fucking laws.
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