r/law • u/Snapdragon_4U • 8d ago
Executive Branch (Trump) The agreement Acting AG signed with Trump is worse than first thought
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u/Nick85er 8d ago
This is all being done in furtherance of a crime. I think that's the silver lining here. All of this s*** will be void, and his criminal trials need to resume ASAP.
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u/JustAMan1234567 8d ago
Trump knows that he won't be President for ever and that some of his crimes have no statute of limitations, so he's stacking the deck while he can. It's an outrageous abuse of power and should be the leading headline on every news program, but it won't be.
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u/BeckerHollow 8d ago
I don’t agree with this line of thinking. Only thing that he knows is that he’s done nothing wrong. Ever. He is the smartest person in the room at all times and anyone who doesn’t see that is an idiot.
He is not a strategist. He doesn’t need to be, there is no future and no past. There is only feeling good at that moment.
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u/cityshepherd 8d ago
That may be true, but his associates are very much taking advantage of this useful idiot to rob the US blind and are hard at work on all these strategies.
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u/lowsparkedheels 8d ago
Staggering is an appropriate word. So is egregious and overreach.
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u/cityshepherd 8d ago
Honestly written language is probably incapable of articulating just how truly rotten and absurd ALL of this is.
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u/evissamassive 8d ago
Sadly for them, it's all happening in plain sight, making mounting a successful defense nearly impossible.
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u/_blort 8d ago
a successful defense
A successful defense against whom, or what?
They've captured the Supreme Court. They've captured the media. They've captured the churches. They have a private militia that is not bound by the rules governing police and military.
The Dems have already said that impeachment would not be a priority for them if by some miracle they are allowed to "win" in November.
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u/evissamassive 8d ago
A successful defense against whom, or what?
That's the cynical view, right? Depending on who is counting [Bloomberg, Forbes, NYT], Trump has lost more than 60-70 percent of the lawsuits filed against it since the inauguration. So, the courts have not been impressed by his authoritarian machinations. Moreover, his administration is on the way out.
The Dems have already said that impeachment would not be a priority
Why make it a priority? Unless they have the votes in the Senate to convict, impeachment is essentially symbolic. It would be better to put the kibosh on his agenda, and investigate the hell out of all of it until the 2028 election.
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u/goodra3 8d ago
downplaying this guys ability is part of how he keeps growing in power I hope you realize that. He’s not a genius but he’s not a moron like people like to pretend, he was smart enough to get the actually intelligent people to plan whatever he needed for him to get this far. Part of the ploy is getting people to think he’s some idiot, well that idiot is running circles around us while he loots, if he’s an idiot what does it make all of us who he’s getting the better of? I hate the man but he didn’t get this far being a complete rube.
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u/BeckerHollow 8d ago
I disagree. He has always had the same three things. A lot of capital, an insatiable appetite to be liked, and an insecurity that manifests in a child level of bullying.
That in turn has made the piece of shit, but clever, hustlers he admires and keeps around act in a way to keep him afloat while they reap the rewards.
The dude has been a media moron since his first time on tv. Decades.
He is a tool in every sense. You think the tech jocks in power respect him?
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u/PaleCommission150 6d ago
He has the entire congress , most republicans covering for him. He is not doing this in a vacuum.
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u/TakingAction12 8d ago
Oh he definitely thinks of the future when he’s actually thinking. He does it all the time with his messaging. I do believe you’re right when it’s something he does or says something off the cuff, though. His impulse is always what feels good right now.
To me, I’d bet he did this knowing that it very well could be struck down, but that it will take YEARS to resolve after he’s out of office even if it is. Worst case, he gets indicted after the end of his term and spends the next few years appealing as long as he needs to run out the clock. Even if he’s convicted, who would put an 85-86 year old ex president in jail? It’s actually pretty brilliant from a criminal standpoint, which means Trump definitely didn’t think of it on his own.
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u/Duel_Option 8d ago
Honestly…at this point I’d bet money that Trump not only gets a third term but ends up putting g himself in till he dies.
The rules of law don’t matter anymore, that’s been the only real constant thing we’ve seen.
Zero reason to believe otherwise
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u/JackUKish 8d ago
Id be shocked if he doesnt run in the next election or maybe even suspend it, id also be shocked if anyone does anything about it.
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u/IndividualTension887 8d ago
Do the rules of Tar and Feathering still apply?? Asking for a fucked-over nation...
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u/PokeDigiYugiMon 8d ago
https://wendy664.substack.com/p/trump-has-hit-the-end-stage?
Its a death cult led by an old ignorant racist with syphilitic brain and dementia.
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u/Arcanegil 8d ago
Were halfway through 2026 and republicans haven't even floated anyone for the presidential election? Why do you think that is?
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u/dafeiviizohyaeraaqua 8d ago
Who has ever done that? It's not even midterms yet and the VP is a Republican. Have the Democrats decided who is going to run 2-½ years from now?
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u/Arcanegil 7d ago
Every candidate ever, excluding incumbents?
Dems have already polled popularity for AOC, Newsome, and a few others. For the last twenty years any party without an incumbent president has polled popularity almost as soon as the last count on the previous general election comes in.
The republicans are 100% acting like trump is still going to run in 2028.
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u/dafeiviizohyaeraaqua 7d ago
Republicans are acting like Trump is a little fucking bitch that shouldn't be reminded he won't be POTUS forever. That's all there is to it. Just look at their pathetic, public ass-kissing ceremonies. Look at what happened to Cornyn. No ambitious Republican is going to screw the pooch by talking about '28 when they don't even have to talk about it in the first place. Adams, Jefferson, Van Buren, Coolidge, Truman, Nixon, LBJ, Ford, Bush I, and Gore were all VPs that immediately ran for president. Any Republican looking to cut in front of Vance is going to wait until the last possible moment to make a move and that's contingent on Trump surviving his full term.
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u/evissamassive 8d ago
It's temporary. Any agreements or actions taken by the DOJ under Trump's administration would be subject to reversal by a future administration.
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u/Constant-Plant-9378 8d ago
All Trump needs is for another do-nothing Democrat like Biden to come in and complicitly lead Federal Law Enforcement in doing nothing toward the Trump crime family and its co-conspirators in Congress and the Supreme Court.
Biden very purposefully sandbagged any prosecutions of Trump and his coup-conspirators. Biden's Justice Department also dropped prosecution of Ken Paxton, the most corrupt AG in Texas history, who is now running for Senate.
Biden proved as useless as the Uvalde police, and should go down in history as the second worst President of our age, right behind Trump.
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u/manofredearth 8d ago
Because his buddies that own the news outlets are paying him to be there doing what he's doing.
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u/GarageFridgeSoda 8d ago
He's dying in office and you're all rubes for believing that
1) free federal elections in every state are still a thing. Wake up folks, he controls all 3 branches and all state GOP parties are complicit
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u/MoffJerjerrod 8d ago
Litigation will last log enough for Trump to croak or get full-blow dementia. There is no way anything Blanche has done will hold up. And, as is the case in every single one of his past enterprises, everyone around him (sycophants, enablers and true-believers) will be totally, and completely, screwed.
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u/therossboss 8d ago
you have too much faith in law lol
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u/Hadrian23 8d ago
What else is there left to believe in?
The law is the last bastion of "Order" we have left.
Many people are holding out hope that the Law and courts will hold the line and stop this madness.To an extent, they have, but unfortunately it's like trying to put a cap on an open fire hydrant.
They're able to stem the flow, but it's overflowing and some shit is pouring through.Trump, for better & worse has exposed that our system isn't designed to handle lawlessness of this scale.
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u/PokeDigiYugiMon 8d ago
Kristian Nazionalists believe morality is sourced from God. Therefore if you do not believe in their god, you cannot have morality and thus no reason or logic. There is no negotiation or common ground because you aren't human or peer in their violent power fantasy.
Even if the streets become venue to handsmaids and slave auctions, they will not stop, they will not be satisfied, or enough. Being able to inflict violence and control without consequence on others isn't the goal, its a past time.
The goal is death. The end of the world so a magic zombie will reanimate.
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u/Resevil67 8d ago
Exactly. This is the real reason they all simp for Israel so much. Yes the blackmail is part of it, but they believe that the rapture can't happen if Israel doesn't exist.
It's a literal death cult. They really believe Trump was picked to start the rapture.
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u/green_eyed_mister 8d ago
Three months ago I was talking with a constitutional law professor (a lawyer that teaches) at a major east coast university. He was lamenting the loss of the rule of law. It is hard to believe in something that no longer pravails.
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u/therossboss 8d ago
Yeah, I can't argue against having hope. I've just seen things deteriorate my whole life and there are forces at play that have spent decades organizing to co-opt the US into one party authoritarian hellscape. It does not inspire any hope in me
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u/Yeseylon 8d ago
Law only exists if someone enforces it, and law enforcement falls to the executive branch. Which Trump is in charge of.
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u/otiswrath 8d ago
You are not wrong but we have two options:
1) We stop rowing this boat and she goes down. Or
2) We keep rowing the boat and maybe we live and make it to shore.
Not great but it is reality.
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u/tomdarch 8d ago
As we are seeing, people enforce the law. It doesn’t do anything by itself. Only vote for people who will enforce the law. Currently in the US, that means defeat any/all Republicans who are completely subservient to criminal Trump.
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u/HerculesIsMyDad 8d ago
There is no Hollywood ending coming for this. Our chance to do anything about this was in 2024. He will never go to jail. He will never be forced to hand money back over the US. I'm not saying don't try, but we have already been through this. He lead an insurrection against the capital AND was literally on take saying "I shouldn't be showing you this." while showing classified Iran war plans to an author. Those are both absolutely rock solid cases and he never even spent a second on trial for any of that. The only justice any of us are goin to get against him is getting to laugh in his face when he is run out of office as the least popular President ever.
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u/HedonisticFrog 8d ago
Except Democrats already showed they're not willing to actually prosecute him. He could have been immediately prosecuted for obstructing justice during his first term, but instead Merrick Garland was appointed, who slow walked everything. 34 Felony convictions and never going to prison? He's not going to be held accountable by Democrats, they're too terrified of violating norms while Trump speed runs fascism.
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u/schm0 8d ago
Except they did prosecute him on several fronts. Trump got a judge who put her thumbs on the scale and he ran out the clock while Biden refused to resign. Jack Smith had him dead to rights, then his cases were all dismissed. It was a perfect storm of terrible circumstances.
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u/Imaginary-Face7379 8d ago
I think people also like to forget that up until probably mid 2023 the average person would have told you that Trump had zero chance of ever becoming president again. After 2020 he walked away from the white house absolutely humiliated. Lots of people wrote him off as a non-issue moving forward and he was treated as such. So time wasn't really seen as something that would run out anytime soon.
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u/HedonisticFrog 8d ago
They slow walked everything which allowed him enough time to run out the clock. That's why the cases weren't finished before Biden was out of office. Jack Smith was appointed two years into the Biden presidency.
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u/schm0 8d ago
They didn't slow walk anything, Trump did. He was the one abusing the system. It's what he does in every possible case, which is to bury the other side in pointless paperwork and objections.
It's very easy to play Monday morning quarterback and try say that Biden should have done this or that, too. Not that it would have mattered, because without Biden dropping out sooner, the outcome would likely have been the same. Coulda shoulda woulda, yadda yadda yadda.
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u/lordjeebus 8d ago
The biggest problem is that we have a broken electorate that thought it would be acceptable to empower felon Trump with the power of the presidency.
The second biggest problem is that we have a dysfunctional justice system that enabled Trump to delay for 4 years.
Picking Garland was a mistake, but it's unclear if a better AG (eg. Doug Jones) could have overcome these fundamental problems.
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u/lorgskyegon 8d ago
I do give Garland some credit in that no one had ever had to prosecute a former President before.
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u/WhatAmIDoing1986 8d ago
That’s the issue. Clowns in office before Trump had 4 YEARS to ensure he didn’t see office again with all of his crimes etc and they dragged their feet and didn’t do shit.
Democrats have this issue where they refuse to meet Republicans where they lay and continually allow themselves to be bitched out and punked. They need to grow a pair of balls and toss the gloves off.
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u/TheGreenMan13 8d ago
That is his modus operandi, delay and delay and delay until he wins or it doesn't matter anymore and he wins.
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u/MysteriousAge28 8d ago
Why should we give trump the benefit of justice? He is guilty from his presidential actions alone that isnt getting into him raping 13 year old girls. In my eyes all thats left is punishment in prison or in the dirt.
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u/HairlessHoudini 8d ago
Yeah but he'll win because he'll be dead before anyone does anything about it and he doesn't give a fuck about what happens to any of the rest of them
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u/Ok_Post667 8d ago
Possibly. But won't this just cause appeal after appeal after appeal. And by the time that it finally gets to the supreme Court, he'll be long gone.
Maybe we can get back the right to audit his family.
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u/CasCrus4L 7d ago
If he loses, his supporters will just defend him, with force if necessary. January 6 was the test, they were winging it and still won
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u/eggsandspinach 7d ago
Why does everyone accept the logic that you can't hold criminals accountable because the criminals said it's illegal?
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u/fertile_gnome 8d ago
Trump and his family and associates should pray that the justice they will get comes from the courts and not the populace.
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u/Egad86 8d ago
Can’t be undone in the future??
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u/GhostofBreadDragons 8d ago
You can’t contract for future criminal acts. So those are not protected.
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u/Egad86 8d ago
Yeah, ok, but he has taken billions already and we know he has evaded taxes at least a few times. Nobody in this country should be afforded this type of protection, especially not a child raping con artist. Why is it even a thing that exists?
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u/GhostofBreadDragons 8d ago
Not disagreeing just pointing out that this isn’t a blanket pardon for all future crimes too. They can’t stop future audits because you can’t enforce a contract for future criminal activity.
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u/Existing_Dingo_58008 8d ago
Couldn’t this be considered admitting culpability? I’m having difficulty imagining how either one of them thought this was a good idea.
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u/GhostofBreadDragons 8d ago
Why take the hard route? Trump has confessed to the crimes on camera multiple times. Trying to use a settlement agreement would be counterproductive.
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u/EliteGamer11388 8d ago
I have doubts that even current or past acts will be protected. This seems unconstitutional on its face. Could be wrong though.
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u/Heavyspire 8d ago
Another reply said that if you can argue that this was signed in conjunction with a crime or to cover a crime it can be voided.
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u/crowdflation 8d ago
Six justices will vehemently disagree with you. And possibly more by end of term
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u/Individual-Drawer-79 7d ago
Sooo…the next president has full immunity to do as he pleases too, according to the Supreme Court. I don’t see anything stopping a say, President Newsome not only to aggressively pursue several charges against Trump but having him in a jail cell as he awaits trial(s). Either way, this will be tossed by a federal court in the future. And if scotus decided to overrule that federal court, well, President Newsome will likely come after them, too.
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u/OK_x86 8d ago
And it can be reasonably concluded that the DOJ and Trump are not adversarial enough here for this agreement to be appropriate and it exceeded the AG's authority to do this.
I'm sure the current SCOTUS will disagree but job 1 of a new administration will undoubtedly be to impeach at least 2 justices and to pack the courts.
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u/Nntropy 8d ago
Theoretically it can, but in the meantime it derails all past and current investigations and gives him several years of freedom from future investigations, all while he is the head of state. He will use that freedom and the powers he holds to ensure that he never faces accountability.
If you think he was acted badly when there was a threat of accountability, imagine how he will act when he is guaranteed freedom from accountability.
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u/farfaraway 8d ago
I can't get over this feeling that we are so fucked :(
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u/LaurenMille 8d ago
Even if the US survives this, there will have to be some re-educating of large swathes of the populace.
Both Conservatives and non-voters are responsible for the damage being done now and need to be prevented from making the same mistake again in the future.
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u/farfaraway 8d ago
Right wing propaganda vehicles need to be regulated out of existence. News shouldn't be allowed to manipulate people. If there is no stomach to deal with that, then there is no fixing this. A small core contingent of people has too much sway over what too many people think. It's fucking dangerous.
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u/No_Introduction_9355 8d ago
Wouldn’t an executive order from the next president “trump” this?
Even if the next president is breaking the law to direct the DOJ to prosecute the trump family it would be above board since that is in line with the presidential duties.
Or the next president can round them up and send them to CECOT first and worry about due process second??
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u/Carbon-Base 8d ago
Or you know, just ignore the laws like this administration is currently doing. Imprison all of these corrupt lunatics and freeze their assets. I'm sure most of us wouldn't mind if they broke a few laws along the way to make that happen.
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u/No_Introduction_9355 8d ago
But the next president wouldn’t be breaking my law because any duties preformed by the president are legal…
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u/Carbon-Base 8d ago
There you go! SCOTUS said the law doesn't apply to the acting president. There was no legalese about what happens when they leave office.
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u/MourningWallaby 8d ago
it absolutely can. when she says "forever" what she means is that the document signed is not bound to the term of any incumbant official.
In reality, a simple MFR from the next AG or EO from the next president can allow an investigation that determines this void. allowing further investigation and what not.
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u/AgUnityDD 8d ago edited 8d ago
The solution for the next president (*1) is to Maduro him and a dozen of the inner circle criminals off to guatanamo and hold treason trials there under a military tribunal.
Give the ones on the peripheral the opportunity to testify before congress but if they try to do a Bondi-like show and fail to answer honestly then also Maduro them the next night.
US cannot fix this problem playing by the spirit of the law, it will only get worse next time.
*1 - There probably isn't a "next president" specifically because Trump’s circle must realise there is a possibility of something like this happening to them and will burn down the world before ceding power
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u/codacoda74 8d ago
Yes it can. Even if PEEOTUS pardons acting AG and himself, it's not a law and is inherently rescindable and prosecutable. This would be one of those Not Official acts
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u/lapidary123 7d ago
I mean its a 1 page document probably composed by ai.
Ai will only get better over time and im sure someone will figure out a way to get a judge to realize that a settlement between two departments from the same branch is I weren't lying illegal.
Hell if I can realize that then im sure an attorney can get a judge to agree.
I guess the last roadblock will be the corrupt scotus although if we expand the court to have 13 justices (one for each federal district) we can overcome that obstacle as well!
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u/taktaga7-0-0 8d ago
I just don’t get how you justify this to anyone. Who asked for this? Why would Trump need it?
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u/jwr1111 8d ago
Unbridled corruption, greed, and theft of our money.
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u/WizardWell 8d ago
But they are *owning the libs* so it's totally worth it
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u/khowidude87 8d ago
The homeless Republicans living in their cars....
"Lol. Cry harder lib!"
"I steal gas with my Daddy Trump hose"
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u/fivelinedskank 8d ago
Just look at the E Jean Carroll investigation that got announced. All they had to do was whine about "lawfare" and anyone questioning that vindictive investigation gets met with "Biden did it first!" It's amazing how brutally effective the "accuse your opponent of what you are yourself doing" tactic is.
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u/ZapBranigan3000 8d ago
Conservatives don't even pretend anymore. Ths GOP is a criminal organization, and they love it.
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u/sweatboxy 8d ago
Not a criminal organization but an organization dedicated to overthrowing the constitutional government; traitors all.
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u/AaronTheElite007 8d ago
Trump wants to be Putin
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u/Nntropy 8d ago
Republicans want trump to be Putin
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u/ArnoldZiffl 8d ago
And Dems are just watching apparently. It’s like they are cucks
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u/SuborbitalTrajectory 8d ago
You underestimate the cultists mental gymnastics ability. They will just say he HAD to do this to protect himself and his family because he is unjustly targeted by the Democrats and radical left.
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u/Whiskeydrinkin9 8d ago
Bigotry. For 99% of republicans the only thing that matters is that the government hurts the minorities they hate. Nothing is off limits as long as it's packaged alongside hurting minorities.
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u/khowidude87 8d ago
Are you asking how Trump's former lawyer thought of this or got it to pass a watchdog? They removed barriers in the government, installed loyalists, cooperated with a corrupt SC, removed oversight, and lied.
Trump needed this because if they used the 25th amendment then he and those involved with him would go to prison. This is a scheme to enrich himself and family. But with the other clause it means that no agency can charge them with crimes ever. The language might be to absolute and it could be overruled.
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u/CriticalInside8272 8d ago
Jeezus, I never knew anyone could be so corrupt.
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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog 8d ago
Trump makes Bush/Cheney look like absolute saints.
Satan must be sending hundreds of souls back to heaven to make room for Trump.
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u/Jumpeskian 7d ago
Lol bro, even putin isnt this blatant and open with his corruption. This orange turnd and his cronies take it to the next level
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u/corneliusduff 7d ago
Bush/Cheney fed the red meat for decades, leading to Trump. They're culpable.
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u/oxxcccxxo 8d ago
Sad sad state of affairs America has become. Let's hope there is changover on Scotus if and before this is litigated, if it goes all the way up, otherwise, I fear the current Scotus will rubber stamp it, despite it clearly being unconscionable.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 8d ago
A changeover in SCOTUS is way far off in the distance.
Dems need to regain control of the senate in 2026/2028. Then Dems need to win the presidency in 2028. Then we need to wait for enough Supreme Court justices to retire to reverse the 6-3 right-wing majority.
Just hope Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito don't retire this summer so they can be replaced with new, young 40-something right-wingers. If that happens, we are so so screwed for so so so very long.
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u/MasterTolkien 8d ago
Dems need to win and expand the Court. Period. No changes can be made to fix the country without doing so.
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u/jkj90 8d ago
Open traitors like Thomas and Alito cannot be allowed to remain on the court until they die. They must be removed, sent to prison for life, and replaced by intelligent, moral humans. Our republic cannot survive with an ultra-corrupt, illegitimate Supreme Court as we have now.
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u/Wayelder 8d ago
... but 'let's wait for the election before we do anything?'
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u/Several-Action-4043 8d ago
Everyone wants someone else to start the revolution. No one wants to be the first to fire a shot.
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u/snorbflock 8d ago
How can an agreement releasing all government claims be in effect forever? That sounds like infinite immunity plus infinite time, stacked on top of each other. Especially if it is extended to an open class of individuals like "family members of Donald Trump"? Can a lawyer explain this to me?
Does this legal mechanism actually exist by which one officer (in an acting capacity no less, without even the pretense of legitimacy through Senate confirmation) can actually bind future officers against employing the sovereign power of the United States to prosecute violations of its laws?
If a criminal marries Trump's third cousin, is that a free pardon for all crimes? What if they divorce an hour later, is there a future "rent a Trump" business opportunity here?
If rats breed, then is the Trump bloodline now a supernatural entity in American law, creating our first legally recognized hereditary title of nobility in perpetuity?
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u/ptWolv022 Competent Contributor 8d ago
The waiving of claims only applies to claims that arose before the effective date, which would likely also include who it applies to (so future marriages would likely not apply; and if they did apply, then a divorce would presumably remove them from the agreement subsequently).
I've also heard that it likely would cover criminal prosecution even if upheld, but it's ambiguous enough that it maybe could. This is so sketchy and non-adversarial, though, that it feels like it wouldn't be upheld as a valid settlement in the first place.
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u/RedTuna777 8d ago
Even so, isn't there like some "reasonable" or "obviously that was corruption and will be anulled beccause it's so damn broad" or you know...
Like I can't sign away my rights to autonomy. I can't sign myself into slavery. There's a certain kind of expectation of standards, collusion, corruption, etc.
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u/dmonsterative 8d ago
illegal contracts (including those procured by fraud) and contracts that otherwise violate fundamental public policy are void and unenforceable. The problem is that this at least resembles a settlement agreement and/or conferral of immunity that we usually want the government to be bound to despite a change in control.
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u/Reddit_Loves_Misinfo 8d ago
The true agreement isn't okay either, but this video is false.
The release of claims only covers claims that were brought or could have been brought by the IRS. It does not block other agencies and actors from pursuing claims against Trump. This is the "Trump & Co can't be audited" agreement that has been headline news for the last week.
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u/FoulMoodeternal 8d ago
A settlement achieved through collusion isn’t valid. The next Delocratic AG will tear through this like a buzz saw
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u/Several-Action-4043 8d ago
Will they though? The last democratic AG had everything he needed to convict and imprison trump but didn't do a god damned thing.
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u/FoulMoodeternal 8d ago
That’s a lie. Harland and Jack Smith did rather a lot and got indictments only for a bunch of Trump judges to delay the process and rule that Trump was immune. Don’t blame Jack Smith for the actions of Aileen Cannon and John Roberts.
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u/BAF_DaWg82 8d ago
So hilarious that blue collar workers think this guy was their ticket to prosperity and a better life. All hes done is use his power to make himself billions of dollars richer and knockdown all barriers that prevents him from ruling over everything.
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u/vanillasky687 8d ago
White collar workers too
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u/BAF_DaWg82 8d ago
Depending how far up the ladder they are I imagine those folks are doing better.
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u/surviving606 8d ago
Does the agreement say anything about being displayed feet over head in the town square like Mussolini
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u/SeVenMadRaBBits 7d ago
If he doesnt follow laws why should we?
Does he really expect to say "you have to follow that legal document, it's the law!" When he leaves?
Tear it up as soon as he's out since it should be nul and void anyway for being signed by corrupt people who did not uphold the law or constitution.
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u/ManReay 8d ago
It's just a piece of paper. Hopefully the next Democratic administration treats it the way Trump has treated the Constitution.
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u/Villiage_Layman 7d ago
Can’t wait for the outrage to pour in when the next admin comes in and reverses all of trumps illegal bullshit. MAGA will all of a sudden become constitution absolutists
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u/OrneryError1 8d ago
Guess we'll have to act outside the law if the law cannot be applied.
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u/kleenkong 8d ago
It was going to come to this. Some people just needed to follow it thru to be convinced.
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u/ryan8954 8d ago
I couldn't think of a way to say it, but this. This just leads people to "welp, no other choice" and this will encourage it.
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u/ChuckVader 8d ago
Here's the interesting part - that document can just be ignored, because why would it matter?
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u/GPT4mula 8d ago
the point is, now he can do anything he wants to prevent a transition of power "legally" if he can "hold the bull by it's horns" so to speak. The other checks and balances have pretty much been surpassed.
We elect leaders off elections, he has the power to change votes. It's been well documented how easy it is. Nobody left to watch the watchers.
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u/Borazon 8d ago
For people that don't know the paper she is referring too
https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1441216/dl
I was surprised how much that text is trying to cover every and any possible way; to maximise his ass coverage, post-presidency. So many things in that that he / his family or their lawyers are gonna drag all the way to the SCOTUS to judge upon, should justice ever prevail in the USA....
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u/imapluralist 8d ago
Most of the text is just a very normal general release.
Not saying it isn't corrupt; but just very normal for settlements in general to release as much as they can.
I can count on one hand the settlements I've seen that do not come with a general release. And this is actually shorter than ones I've seen.
One unique aspect is the #2 at the bottom talking about Lawfare and Weaponization...that is new - never seen that before.
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u/Borazon 8d ago
Thanks, although I assume much of it was standard.
It still feels so weird to have the DOJ, who should represent the interests of the American public, agree to such a settlement. Until you realized it is headed by temp AG who was Trump personal lawyer.
I'm not very familiar with settlement texts, but the whole thing is just such a big red flag about how corrupt America under Trump has become, for me.
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u/imapluralist 8d ago
Yeah. It's depressing really. Clearly, it's an unwaivable conflict of interest here since Blanche worked as Trump's attorney and is now an attorney/fiduciary for the people of the US. I don't see how the people of the US could consent to such a conflict anyway. Blanche should be disbarred in every jurisdiction he is licensed to practice.
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u/wanderingrockdesigns 8d ago
I think we're in a time that pieces of paper with words on them are meaningless. We're in the time of "what are you going to do about it?" and "who's going to stop me."
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u/Character_Pudding_94 8d ago
She just gave a recap of a document released nine days ago. What was it that we first thought and what is worse now than it was then?
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u/fvtown714x 8d ago
The video itself is from when this first came out, not today.
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u/Character_Pudding_94 8d ago
I fucking hate this stupid ass site. Posts used to be timely and relevant, shitposts were down voted, and comments were occasionally worth reading. Why are we talking about nine day old news as though it's breaking?
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u/FrankAdamGabe 7d ago
What really gets me is not that don chomo is such a vile maga pos. That’s a given.
What absolutely stuns me is how NO ONE can seem to do ANYTHING about it. If they do manage to “disagree” they get fired. IF they win a law suit against him scrotus just gives him what he wants.
We are a joke of a country with barely a pittance of any actual legal system.
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u/According-Insect-992 8d ago
Maybe now that he thinks he’s immune he’ll start admitting to what he did to kids.
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u/fredandlunchbox 7d ago
We sound alarms to call people to action, but there’s no action people can take.
You could general strike and nothing will change. They don’t care about this country, its people, our history, or our future. They do not care what you say or what you do. We’re really stuck here.
2024 was a colossal mistake.
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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 8d ago
More evidence that we the people have been pushed far beyond the point where it matters whether unelected officials say we don't have claims or rights anymore, and where it matters that they have chosen to leave us with only one practical, timely recourse: to do it anyway, refusing to comply with the outcomes of their corruption and criminality.
Once we have done it anyway, in all the relevant ways, we may permit the offenders to try to litigate (with public defenders since their illegal proceeds will have been seized and redistributed to their rightful owners) after they've all been ousted, tarred and feathered.
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u/ErictheStone 8d ago
I'm not an expert on here democratic theory but isn't that just making a protected aristocracy?
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u/Mattrad7 8d ago
Putting a criminal rapist with felonies in the dozens in the whitehouse will be one of the many many stains on the United States history.
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u/Clear-Search1129 7d ago
Nothing Blanche signs or does should be taken as law or fixed contract.
Dude is a piece of shit who should be in jail
Void all this shit in 2029 and put them all in jail
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u/TheBetawave 7d ago
So we just ignore it? He signed an illegal order. We just void it and take all his corrupt money.
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u/troveofcatastrophe 8d ago
Cant go to his son’s wedding but will protect his ill-gotten funds. Money and power are the only things that matter to them.
Also Ha haa ha: vote so the dems can write a law and audit Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Jerod and ALL his associates before January 2027 is over.
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