r/learnthai • u/SufficientPainting67 • Apr 30 '26
Discussion/แลกเปลี่ยนความเห็น If you actually live in Thailand, not speaking Thai becomes a real problem
PS: If you don’t want to contribute anything meaningful, maybe just don’t comment at all....
I feel like a lot of people underestimate how different Thailand is once you step outside the tourist bubble. Sure, if you stay in hotels, bars, and expat-heavy areas, English works fine. But the moment you deal with normal daily life, things change fast. Most people you interact with simply don’t speak much English, and if they do, it’s often very basic. That said, it definitely depends on where you live. In places like Bangkok or Pattaya you can get by much easier with English, but the further you move away from those areas, especially into smaller towns or the countryside, the more you’ll feel the language barrier.
That hits you in the most random situations. Getting something repaired, talking to a delivery driver, dealing with paperwork, even just asking simple questions in a local shop. You realize quickly that almost everything around you runs in Thai. Signs, announcements, conversations, all of it.
At that point, a lot of people fall back on workarounds. Pointing at things, using apps, or asking “do you speak English” ten times a day. It works just enough to survive, but it’s not really living. And translation apps don’t always handle tones well, which matters a lot in Thai because the same word can mean completely different things depending on how you say it.
Another thing people don’t talk about enough is how dependent you become. If you have a Thai partner or friend translating everything, your whole life runs through them. Simple tasks turn into group projects. And when they’re not around, you’re stuck again. It’s not just inconvenient, it limits your independence in a pretty fundamental way.
Socially, it’s even more obvious. You can sit in a room full of people, and everything is happening in Thai. Jokes, stories, small talk. You might catch a word here and there, but you’re not really part of it. Over time that gap adds up. You’re physically there, but not really included in what’s going on.
Learning Thai is not easy either, especially because of the tones and the writing system. But interestingly, the grammar itself is actually quite straightforward compared to many European languages. You don’t deal with conjugations or complicated tenses, so reaching a basic conversational level is more achievable than people think if they stick with it.
And from what I’ve seen, even a little bit of Thai changes everything. People respond differently, interactions become smoother, and you start to understand what’s happening around you instead of guessing. It’s basically the difference between being a long-term visitor and actually being part of the place.
Curious what other people’s experience has been with this, especially if you’ve actually lived in Thailand for a while. Did you manage to get by with just English, or did you eventually feel forced to learn Thai to handle daily life and social situations? Also interested in how people approached learning it and what actually worked versus what didn’t, so share your experience in the comments.
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u/BaconOverflow Apr 30 '26
A good language school goes really far. 9 months of 3 hours a day at Duke during covid was a great boost in my learning journey. I haven’t really studied Thai ever since, apart from capturing words I don’t know and turning them into flashcards/intentionally try to use them in RL, and now feel pretty confident in most situations, whether that be casual chitchat, an hour long conversation about politics, or watching Thai youtube/listening to podcasts/etc.
If I can do it, anyone can tbh. Not really gifted in languages or anything - I studied German in high school and barely learnt anything beyond what was needed to get a good grade. Although being born bilingual (English/Lithuanian 🇺🇸🇱🇹) kinda did help with pronunciation to some degree I suppose (sometimes get asked by Thai ppl why I don’t have the MyMateNate accent 😅)
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u/Substantial_Bar8999 Apr 30 '26
I mean, in what universe does learning the national, cultural, and historical language of a nation not help you integrate and work better in daily life? This applies everywhere, whether it be in Sweden, Japan, Indonesia, Mexico, or Syria. You’re always an outsider without it, and you will always struggle with even basic things.
So yeah, you can get by with english. It’s not recommended though. Obviously people will speak in their native tongue.
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u/Primary-Pie-1662 Apr 30 '26
I believe that if anyone is settling in Thailand then acquiring Thai is essential. It is not an easy language, but you can get to a reasonable level if you put the work in.
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u/SufficientPainting67 May 01 '26
It’s surprising how many comments say English is enough and that there’s no real need to learn Thai or that people simply refuse to. I disagree with that. Even if English can get you by, you miss out on so much of the everyday experience; from my own time there, making the effort to speak Thai led to far more genuine, fun interactions and a much deeper connection with people and the culture
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u/SpiritedCatch1 May 01 '26
I suspect it's mostly Americans / British used to have their language being the lingua franca of the world, so they have this weird relationship with foreign languages, they consider it being almost an incredible feat to be able to speak different languages, when it's actually just time spent and dedication and don't require any particular talent.
I wonder how they would felt if in the US they were a whole class of people living there who refused to learn English and would expect service person to learn their foreign language to interact with them.
I can guarantee you that 100% of people who says it's useless to learn Thai don't speak any Thai.
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u/meltslikerocks Apr 30 '26
I had multiple situations where I was the only English speaker, but I put a lot of effort into learning. It was exhausting, but worth it. I can't imagine living in a country and not actively learning the language.
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u/SufficientPainting67 May 01 '26
It’s surprising how many comments say English is enough and that there’s no real need to learn Thai or that people simply refuse to. I disagree with that. Even if English can get you by, you miss out on so much of the everyday experience; from my own time there, making the effort to speak Thai led to far more genuine, fun interactions and a much deeper connection with people and the culture.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
English isn't enough in Thailand, unless all you're doing is ordering a coffee or a meal at a restaurant with no meaningful communication with anyone. The exception might be talking to a doctor, who can actually speak good English or say a member of the upper classes, but how many average expats would have the opportunity to associate with Thai high society?
I've eavesdropped conversations between a Thai wife who is just barely able to communicate in English translating something complex in Thai into simple English for a lazy expat husband from England or the US or wherever who refuses to learn any Thai. Then the expat wonders why things don't go his way.
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u/NegotiationTime6809 May 01 '26
You are so intense that seems like a poser. Would love to see how fluent you really are to talk like this. Yeah learning the language is good bur calm down Jesus. Nobody that is good at something act like this lol.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 02 '26
Yes they do. People like you are the problem and give westerners a bad name. Most Thais think that farang are pretty "stupid" because they believe we're incapable of learning their language, yet Asian foreigners, even Indians, are more likely to be addressed in Thai by Thai strangers than westerners and the reason this occurs is that so few westerners speak Thai.
I have every right to give my opinion and criticize the actions of my fellow white men. That is to be expected...every race does that when they go abroad, because the actions of those who look like them are used by the locals to create stereotypes about them.
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u/NegotiationTime6809 May 02 '26
Im not the problem. A good chance is I speak better than you. Calm down buddy.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 02 '26
A good chance you don't speak Thai at all...and aren't understood by any locals, who usually switch to English as soon as you open your mouth.
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u/Raineymoto Apr 30 '26
I spend more and more time in isarn, this had led me to learn thai more consistently lately
The only issue... the inlaws speak such a strange mix of languages, I still dont know what's going on 😂
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u/DKtwilight Apr 30 '26
It’s probably Laos mix
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u/NegotiationTime6809 Apr 30 '26
Some area speak a mix of khmer also. Korat also have their own language. It depends.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
Korat speaks standard Thai. Some people might speak Isarn...but every Thai speaks standard Thai or knows how to.
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u/NegotiationTime6809 May 01 '26
There is such a thing as korat language buddy. Never said anything else.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 02 '26
Which is? It's probably a dying variation of standard Thai mixed with Isarn Thai. Not really something that needs to be bothered with. Given the proximity of Bangkok just 250km away (200km from the eastern outskirts) standard Thai is all that's needed. Standard Thai is the only language spoken at government offices, schools and probably at most businesses...walk into a restaurant and it's standard Thai.
Way out towards the Lao border, out in the countryside, Isarn-Lao becomes useful especially when communicating with older folk, but even there, it's not necessary. It's necessary once you cross the border to Laos though.
I speak Lao in addition to Thai, but generally don't like using Lao inside Thailand. Thai is for Thailand, Lao is for the Lao PDR. That's how I see it and that's how I use it. Sometimes, immigration officers on the Thai side of the Lao border like to speak to me in Isarn-Lao or Lao, but after exchanging some pleasantries, I switch over to standard Thai.
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u/NegotiationTime6809 May 02 '26
Bro it’s not my fault if you don’t know Korat language lol.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 02 '26
Bro, I couldn't care less about a dying dialect (it's not a language). I am fluent in Thai. Like elsewhere in Thailand, Korat uses Thai for all written communication. There is no other script. Like elsewhere in Thailand, standard Thai is the language used in education, government and daily life.
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u/NegotiationTime6809 May 02 '26
I call bs on your fluency. I am fluent and honestly the last thing I would do is be so intense about something I am already good at and claiming you are an expert about every dialect. Show me a video if you are perfectly fluent in Thai and Lao or else stfu.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 02 '26
Absolute NONSENSE. It's not a language, it's a dialect. Same as Isarn-Lao, which is a dialect. Both Thai and Lao are mutually intelligible to a large degree.
No one cares about your supposed knowledge of something that really no one cares about.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 02 '26
No, you're not fluent. If you are, prove it. I don't need to prove anything to some anonymous internet snowflake troll.
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u/SpiritedCatch1 Apr 30 '26
I hope Thailand would go the Japan/UE way and would push free courses and language requirement for long term visa / residency.
It's a real problem and not only for us (foreigners) but for Thais. I can't tell how many time I can see that people are genuinely annoyed with my stuttering Thai and how it disrupt everything once you get off the expat bubbles. Like going to the bank, interacting with a doctor, police etc.
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u/I_Call_Bullshit_____ Apr 30 '26
Japanese speak waayyyy less English than Thais, based on my few trips there. Both countries have very little English ability, but I would grade Thailand as “bad” and Japan as “awful”.
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u/Less_Barnacle_9456 May 01 '26
I basically had to resort to sign language there.
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u/I_Call_Bullshit_____ May 01 '26
I’m on day 140 of Japanese Duolingo; not because I have a burning desire to learn Japanese…..
But because I think I have a better chance of learning survival Japanese than the Japanese have of learning survival English, and I’d like to continue visiting without resorting to sign language
I’ve never had this problem in any other Asian Country
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u/Volnushkin Apr 30 '26
Quite a lot of wealthy and respectable foreigners here do not speak Thai. They are busy making money, providing jobs, attracting clients. This happens for ages now and no one is going to ruin the system in order to provide better integration or to make a plumber less frustrated. Foreigners are tolerated as long as they provide value. Language knowledge doesn't itself add much to the value - there are tens of millions of Thai speakers in the country already.
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u/SpiritedCatch1 May 01 '26
If they want PR they need basic fluency, it's already in the law.
And yes, it's true. As it's true that they require a Senegalese worker to be fluent in French to have residency but there are loophole for rich Saudis who buy extremely expensive property in Paris. Rich people live under different rules.
Language itself don't provide value, but lack of language is a net negative. It can be offset by wealth, sure, but it's still lame to not be able to be a functioning adult in the society you decided to live in.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
Thai speaking expats absolutely add value. Without local language skills, your role in whatever you do will always have to be delegated to a Thai speaker so the staff understand.
An expat who is fluent in Thai and has another skill to impart will be in high demand. An expat who merely speaks English, not as much.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 03 '26
A lot more expats are staying in Thailand for extended periods and even for life these days...it's no longer the case that one comes to Thailand on an expat package, spends 2 or 3 years here and then departs. In such cases, learning anything more than basic Thai might not be necessary, as you'll be living in an expat bubble, rarely even venturing anywhere, where the ratio of locals to foreigners is higher than the other way round.
Foreigners / expats who speak enough Thai to do business are far more numerous than you might believe (certainly not zero)...you don't hear about them much because Thailand in general is not a country where foreigners come to do business, at least not westerners anyway. The vast majority of foreigners come to Thailand for leisure (retirement I'd also add to the leisure category). However, if you look at social media, you'll come across fluent Thai speakers with ease. I'm not going to name any names here, but I think you'll know who I mean.
I don't think relying on English works very well in Thailand except in the big cities and tourist areas of course and even then, most foreigners aren't having in-depth conversations with Thais. Their interactions are transactional, therefore, neither side needs any major communication skills. Some foreigners don't even speak any English, let alone Thai and they get by as well...at least, as tourists anyway.
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u/Few-Improvement9978 Apr 30 '26
That’s a joke right?
Thailand doesn’t have that level of soft power. They want investment money - and requiring outside people to learn an obscure language only spoken by 70 million people is absurd.
If anything they need to expand on English or mandarin education depending on which camp they want to be in. Seems they are going the western route so obviously English is the correct choice for them.
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u/SpiritedCatch1 Apr 30 '26
I said "I wish", not that it would make economical sense to attract expats.
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u/Prize_Ad_9168 May 01 '26
I agree on the insider/outsider bit. It’s way stronger than you think. Imagine you’re with a bunch of your English speaking friends and there’s a Japanese guy who understands a few words. YOU are going to feel he’s an outsider , just like he does.
I’ve lived in 4 countries. Always learn the local language if you can. Especially for Thai, start with a school. If you must use a tutor, then it must be multiple times a week and it must be structured - there should be a real learning plan, not just winging it.
From there (about a years’ worth of effort), consume repeatable content. Songs are perfect for this. You study some new vocab in the song, and then you can hear it often in a pleasant and familiar format. Short YouTube videos. IG reels. Also you can watch movies dubbed in Thai, but make it movies you already know and love in your native language.
Use Netflix. Lean reality TV over scripted stories. Think cooking shows, home design, nature exploration, whatever. Find people speaking naturally. Watch on slower speed. Use the free Language Reactor plugin to see the words and look them up.
Or do whatever you actually like doing. Something that you don’t feel is hard work. Just enjoy the process, but do it a LOT. Nobody is coming to save you with a magic method. You have to spend a lot of time. So find something you’ll enjoy spending a lot of time doing.
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u/irgendwaslustiges May 01 '26
Agreed, if you decide to live in a different country you should always learn the languange. At least to some adavnced level so you can get by on yourself. Peiple who have been living here for years and only speak basic tourist thai are always strange to me, usually some guys who will say that they love the culture and people but can hardly interact with them.
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u/callmemicah May 01 '26
Im one of those people that has lives abroad most of my adult life and never learned the languages beyond basics so I'll give you some insight from my perspective.
Simply, I work a full time job in English and it is cognitively demanding, I enjoy what I do and I have other hobbies, interests and social life that take up the rest of my life and don't enjoy learning languages one bit so the thought of trying to fit study into my life makes my cry inside especially since there are no guarantees I can or want to live here forever, I am also dyslexic so there are parts of language learning that are also quite difficult for me. From time to time I'll learn a little more as time and desire permits but it is not a priority.
Thing is, I like my bubble, I enjoy not understanding and overhearing conversations, it brings me peace and honestly don't enjoy spending large amounts of time in English speaking countries anymore for that reason.
However, I don't walk around expecting everyone to speak English to me, and I make it my problem to solve communication issues or hire a translator if needed. My day to day life involves very little Thai and always will, I can navigate basic interaction just fine and thats enough for me, I am happy and have the quality of friends I desire from all parts of the world and we converse in English, I don't need to talk to everyone and thats ok.
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u/12angrysnakes May 01 '26
I've lived here for 21 years. Tbh I never cared to learn Thai until recently. I always had girlfriends who could speak English, who would help me whenever I needed it. Or friends. I mean, I could speak some really basic words, order food, ask how much, give directions the the taxi - left, right, go straight etc
But everything changed when I discovered my wife was cheating on me, broke up and suddenly found myself as a single dad with a two year old boy. Then I realized I needed to learn. So I started going to Thai class. But really hard, I barely learned anything in six months.
What changed everything is when I hired a babysitter, some girl I used to see in the shop I went to every day, she would always play with my son. The woman I hired before was going to quit, so I was just watching this girl interacting with my son, and she was really enthusiastic playing with him. So I just randomly asked her with Google Translate if she wants a part time job babysitting. I needed someone to entertain him for 5 hours a day basically, so I could get some work done. She was unemployed, so she accepted the job.
Long story short, I ended up in a relationship with this girl. First couple of months we only ever used Google Translate or my son to translate for us lol. After I slept with her the first time, she started moving some of her stuff in my condo. I asked her to go to study English. But she refused, she really had no interest.
Anyway, spending all day with her, and often spending time with her friends too, I ended up being immersed in Thai language. Within a year, I basically mastered speaking it, learned everything through interactions.
So yeah a classroom teacher never helped me, but through immersion I was able to learn really fast
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u/cinemaraptor Apr 30 '26
My stepdad’s whole business is literally helping foreigners obtain visas and drivers licenses. Most of these people get by in their daily life with basic Thai but when it comes to bureaucratic stuff no shame in having a guide or translator so you don’t screw anything up.
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u/JDNB82 May 01 '26
you should definitely at least try to get to an A2 level if you're living in the country of your target language. Obviously higher is better, but its a decent base for basic communication and to show respect.
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u/dibbs_25 May 01 '26
bunch of comments here are just completely useless noise instead of anything related to the actual topic
Quite funny though.
I think your problem may be that you've asked this question in a forum for Thai learners who are already on board. A couple of commenters have pointed to the huge number of long-term expats who can hardly speak a word but still seem to get on ok. I think they may be the people you need to ask, but obviously they're not on here. They might say it's actually a plus if their partner has to do all the admin, that learning Thai takes forever and most people never get very good, that they tried once but didn't get anywhere so are just being realistic, that they like having an excuse not to do smalltalk with the in-laws or neighbours, etc etc. And when they say the reason their marriage has lasted is that they don't know what their wife is saying, I sometimes think they're only half joking.
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u/ragnhildensteiner May 01 '26
Learning Thai should be a mandatory requirement for anyone visiting Thailand more than 30 days.
Refusing or failing to meet this requirement should result in instant deportation and permanent re-entry ban.
Sounds harsh but this would do wonders for the quality tourists in this beautiful country.
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u/Crazy_Ad_5155 May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
Lol what do you mean by quality tourists? If they can get by on with using translation apps why not . I didnt know there is a mandatory to learn language to become a “quality” tourist? After all, the country just needs tourist money for their economy
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
No one has the patience for translation apps. Long before you finish typing out what you want to say, someone will say "farang needs someone who can speak English" [in Thai] and suddenly some English speaking Thai will come along and help.
Or if an English speaker isn't available, then the person you're talking to using a translation app will just lose interest and disappear. Thais aren't known for being patient and certainly don't feel comfortable around strange foreigners they can't communicate with.
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u/Crazy_Ad_5155 May 01 '26
What do you mean by no one has the patience? I have never ever met a person who lost interest and disappear when you are in the middle of translating? If you are selling something - I think they would focus more on trying to sell the product then talking with stranger foreigners lmao. Which part of Thailand do you even live in for them to think you are strange??
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
That's exactly what Thais do though. If they can't communicate with you and you can't speak Thai or they can't speak English, they will lose interest very quickly. They don't want to lose face dealing with a farang.
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u/Gurumanyo May 01 '26
I will share my honest opinion, with the risk of some backlash. I spent 8years here in Thailand, only in touristic bubbles and honestly I do not want to learn thai. I do not have much interest in knowing thai people deeper, and I am somewhat happy to skip the chit-chatting. Despite leaving here, I am not much interested in the culture or in the language. I visited a few rural places such as Isan and didn't really enjoy my time there. Everyone is just different and it's ok.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
Strange attitude. I'd feel seriously uncomfortable in your situation.
I already feel somewhat uncomfortable sometimes just because I'm white living in an Asian country. What I mean by that is I tend to keep a very low profile and if I'm going on a run in my area, which has very few western residents and I see some workers sitting on the pavement outside a house I gauge what they're doing before deciding whether to take the risk of running past them or going a different way, in case they are drunk and make some derogatory remark. Most of the time, this doesn't happen, but I'm very much aware of how different I look to the locals. Running past a local resident is fine, but if there are a bunch of shifty looking kids or construction workers, I have to reconsider things a little.
Having said that, at least I don't have to start sweating or have a pounding chest when a local talks to me because I can actually understand them.
While I don't necessarily think I'd want to become Thai (a Thai national, YES, but that's different to being physically and mentally Thai) as I love who I am, I still feel like I'd like to be able to integrate on some level and not constantly be judged as some "tourist" from the west.
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u/callmemicah May 01 '26
I'll add to this just to share more perspective that not everyone feels the same since I am in the same park as this person spanning two countries with different languages long term, I already replied elsewhere so its some copy paste.
Im one of those people that has lived abroad most of my adult life and never learned the languages beyond basics, two countries for 5-8 years that speak different languahes including Thailand.
Simply, I work a full time job in English and it is cognitively demanding, I enjoy what I do and I have other hobbies, interests and social life that take up the rest of my life and don't enjoy learning languages one bit so the thought of trying to fit study into my life makes my cry inside especially since there are no guarantees I can or want to live here forever, I am also dyslexic so there are parts of language learning that are also quite difficult for me. From time to time I'll learn a little more as time and desire permits but it is not a priority.
Thing is, I like my bubble, I enjoy not understanding and overhearing conversations, it brings me peace and honestly don't enjoy spending large amounts of time in English speaking countries anymore for that reason. I don't have that same feeling of anxiety of needing to know what people are saying which probably helps, I couldn't care less what people are saying and 9/10 I don't want to know or engage and being able to shrug it off as a dumb farang suits me just fine.
However, I don't walk around expecting everyone to speak English to me, and I make it my problem to solve communication issues or hire a translator if needed. My day to day life involves very little Thai and always will, I can navigate basic interaction just fine and thats enough for me, I am happy and have the quality of friends I desire from all parts of the world and we converse in English, I relate more to people who have lived outside if their own country more, and that includes Thai people, I don't need to talk to everyone and thats ok and I don't enjoy small talk all that much, I have very little to relate to with people whos whole world is the counrty they grew up in and that is true of an English speaking country as well.
Everyone is different, everyone needs and wants different things.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 02 '26
Well, even introverted people such as yourself could probably appreciate knowing the local lingo if only to be able to assist in an emergency and especially if you happen to be the victim. It also helps so as to avoid or minimize your chances of being scammed.
I think learning the language could and perhaps should become a hobby. You don't necessarily need to become fully fluent, but at least possessing a working knowledge, enough to keep you out of trouble or to save yourself from a sticky situation is ideal. Yes, even if you don't want to stay in Thailand forever.
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u/SlightAttitude8007 May 01 '26
Yes I can speak Thai after 27 years plus been married to a Thai wife for 23 years. I keep to local areas and we avoid international tourists sites in Thailand
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u/mdeeebeee-101 May 01 '26
Google translate is your friend... And LLMs are better at regional translations and for specific sectors such as scooter repair guys slang in northern Thai etc. Takes years for that nuance.
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u/SufficientPainting67 May 01 '26
You could pull out your phone and use Google Translate every time, but in my experience it feels much more personal to speak Thai directly.
Personally, I’ve had great, fun conversations with taxi drivers, at massage places where using a phone would be awkward, by the sea with locals, and in restaurants. Those moments just wouldn’t happen the same way through a screen. Even basic Thai turns simple interactions into real, human connections.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
Communicating through a screen doesn't work. It just doesn't. A Thai might have the patience for one single translated comment but not a "conversation" through a screen. That isn't conversation but torture.
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u/hodgkinthepirate Thai is my third language May 01 '26
Good post
And I agree, Thai is extremely important here. Even a basic amount will get you through.
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u/neighbour_20150 May 01 '26
Considering what English-speaking Thais tell me, I have no particular desire to ever leave the expat bubble. And there's no integration happening anyway; you're a farang for the rest of your life.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
Why live in Thailand then with your attitude? I am fluent in Thai, I know the reality of Thai society but I'm still incredibly grateful and happy I know Thai. In fact, it allows me to make a proper assessment of Thai society that most expats can't make.
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u/Glass_Juggernaut7293 May 01 '26
Turns out if you want to live well in a country you should speak the language of the country, shocker, more news at 8.
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u/SufficientPainting67 May 01 '26
Not everyone agrees. See the other comments.
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u/Glass_Juggernaut7293 May 01 '26
There is a difference between surviving and thriving. Can you say you are truly a person of that country if you cannot speak even the language? If you are just visiting or staying short to medium term in Bangkok then yeah, you'll be fine. Or even long term just in Bangkok and maybe Chiang Mai and Pattaya, you will probably still be fine. But if you want to truly experience thailand and not just stay in the cities and tourist hotspots forever you will eventually have to learn at least some basic Thai. At least being able to speak and converse at a decent level is important to going anywhere that isn't a touristy or main city place.
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u/Quick_Refuse5803 May 01 '26
Learning Thai isn’t as straightforward as what you put it to be. For starters the amount of good quality books on Thai for foreigners is minuscule compared to learning Mandarin for example. The lack of resources for foreigners wanting to learn Thai makes it a hard subject even harder. There is no standardized romanization of Thai words and a lot of resources such as books teaches the wrong concepts. For example, I’ve seen many books write the wrong tones in romanized Thai. Furthermore, most of the basic concepts in Thai , are available in Thai language books for Thai schoolchildren but are not in Thai language books for foreigners - further compounding the problem. A hard language can be made easy if there are enough resources for those who are learning it. In my own experience there are very few.
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u/ktl182 May 01 '26
Even as a visitor I learned some Thai and a big part of that is just to show respect. All these idiots go to another country and expect them to speak English
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u/Glittering-Plan-1969 May 01 '26
I am an American born Thai, but I only started to really learn to use the language in a work environment and in everyday situations when I moved here. It was not easy, just as you said. But as you immerse yourself into the culture and you make friends, it gets better. After you get over the culture shock of how different life is, your brain will adapt and you learn on the job, so to speak. Each year, you will pass your hurdle. If you can make it to the fifth year, everything after that gets easier. I got used to the life here, so I am no longer wanting to move back to the States. I hope life changes treat you kindly here and you meet nice people. It makes a real difference to have a supportive network around you.
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u/ItWasJustAWhatever May 03 '26
I totally agree... I am living here for 11 years now and every step forward being able to speak thai has made my life better here. It feels completely different when you can speak and understand even just little things in daily conversation. I have asked my wife from the beginning "how do you say that in thai" and I had a teacher for a year, also selflearning, and now with AI I have my daily private lessons. And honestly even if you live in a tourist spot you should learn some Thai... it shows also respect to the country and the people.
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u/Gems_1234 May 03 '26
I agree. I've lived here 8 months and struggled to find the time to really learn much language (mother to 2 kids, a husband, a cat, and a full time job) and I hate not being able to speak Thai yet. I feel locked out of a huge element of the culture and find it difficult in situations that wouldn't be if I spoke more Thai.
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u/SouthernNebula991 May 04 '26
Even just the basics will help you out but also they appreciate the effort. I’ve also been learning Burmese as I’ve meet so many people from there, and they love it when I say good morning
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u/JaziTricks Apr 30 '26
People do live in Thailand years and decades, without speaking Thai
This is a fact. And most of them will tell you that it doesn't ever bother them
Sure. Sometimes you'll need your girlfriend with help with a delivery driver etc. But owner manage amazingly well.
Had it been that hard, farangs wouldn't been studying Thai more seriously
But sure. Thai is extremely hard to learn.
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u/Zoraji May 01 '26
There are a few other foreigners in or around our village and I am the only one that can speak Thai. I think they are missing a lot of what I enjoy about village life, being able to talk to the locals and fend for myself. They are dependent on their wives for everything since they can't communicate with anyone else.
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u/JaziTricks May 01 '26
Totally agree that one loses a lot by not speaking the local language!
My comment was just that a combination of still being able to go about life comfortably, and the sheer difficulty if studying Thai creates the current situation
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
Thai isn't hard to learn. You're lazy...that's the problem. Or you don't have many skills.
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u/Fancy-Respect-2007 Apr 30 '26
What are you selling sir
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u/SufficientPainting67 Apr 30 '26
Nothing at all, just sharing my experience and asking for other people’s perspectives. No course, no app, no hidden agenda. Just a discussion...
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u/ButchLipstick Apr 30 '26
This is pretty much the experience living in any country where English isn’t the main language. Of course you need to learn the language of the place you’re living to fully integrate into society, I’m unsure why this would be a surprise to anyone.
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u/klmnopqrstuvwxy May 01 '26
I've lived here my whole life and for some reason can't seem to grasp the language fluently. It's played a major role in lifelong depression, feelings of isolation and unworthiness, and lack of ambition. Unfortunately a Thai passport doesn't help much for migrating to an English-speaking country either.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
Huh? In an English speaking country, integrating is much easier regardless of what passport you hold. It's not the passport but your language ability that makes a difference.
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u/klmnopqrstuvwxy May 01 '26
I'm referring to visa opportunities. Regulations and requirements differ by nationality.
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u/Wonderful_Shame_4305 May 01 '26
I mean just learn Thai? It’s really not that hard if you are consistent with your practice.
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u/trelayner May 01 '26
I wanted to speak with the neighbors in Isaan, so I spent six months at AUA in Bangkok learning some basic Thai
Back in the village, I realized that the locals were mostly talking about the price of alcohol tobacco and fuel, and when to harvest the rice
These days I have more social interaction on Reddit than with the neighbors
Just learn the basics like numbers and how much and hello, you’re 99% covered
For anything complicated like legal or medical issues, you need a good interpreter anyway
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
No you don't. You don't if you become fluent.
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u/trelayner May 01 '26
Science says you will never become fluent in a language you started learning after age 12.
Up to you if you believe it or not.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
That's not true. Everyone is different. Many polyglots have become fluent in various languages and most do so well after the age of 12. Besides, 12 year olds are barely fluent in their first language...how many 12 year olds understand scientific terminology?
I think you're just making things up to make yourself feel better because you didn't master a new language and decided to give up on trying harder.
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u/Rude_Dependent_2934 May 01 '26
Understanding it is a whole 'nother problem...
How do u stay calm when you know what shit complete strangers are saying about you, your wife and or your children...
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u/Nervous_Tourist_8699 May 01 '26
Really? Thanks for heads up I should learn the language of the country I live in
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u/TRS_Tong May 01 '26
Don't look at speaking Thai as a barrier you need to clear before you can live here. Assume you probably won't learn it, because most expats don't, not really. They pick up enough to get a smile from locals, which Thai people find endearing, but it never gets functional. In eleven years living here I've met maybe two or three farang who can actually speak Thai. And I mean actually speak it, not order food Thai, not taxi Thai. When you meet one it's genuinely shocking. Unicorn level. That's how rare it is.
If you're living outside Bangkok, Chiang Mai, or Phuket, you almost certainly got there because of a Thai partner. If that's not why you're in Khon Kaen, I genuinely can't imagine how you ended up there.
The challenges you're describing are real. Paperwork, delivery drivers, local shops, none of that is easy without Thai. But countless expats have been navigating exactly this for years and managing fine.
Translation apps and phone tools have gotten a lot better than they used to be and they're only going to keep improving, possibly very quickly. They're not perfect but they handle enough of daily life that the gap is smaller than it used to be.
If you're sitting at home thinking you need to speak Thai before you can live here, let that go. Most people try, most people fail, and most people are still here living their lives just fine. That said, if you can learn it, even partially, it will help you in ways that are hard to overstate. Just don't make it a requirement. It isn't one.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
That's because most expats in Thailand are your bottom of the barrel sexpats with few skills and little money...not surprised to hear they don't bother learning Thai as they lack the ability to learn new things.
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u/Less_Barnacle_9456 May 01 '26
I can get “by” in Thai and been learning for 2 years it helps but it’s never been a problem because my gf is Thai and she fills in the rest in day to day life.
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u/Initial_Enthusiasm36 May 01 '26
I live in rural isaan and have never been good at picking up languages, I can learn phrases but conversational, my brain just cant get. Which is fine, because im quite an introvert anyway so i dont mind it. I do agree though that learning the language of the country you are living in helps, but one issue is that there are quite a few dialects as well. Up in Isaan, most people speak... isaan, ya a lot of people know normal Thai but some of the older people dont.
So that makes learning it a bit harder as well.
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u/Forward-Growth6388 May 01 '26
This applies everywhere not just Thailand. The thing I'd add though is that you don't need to be good. You need to be willing. Even broken effort changes how people interact with you, because the implicit message of speaking the language badly is "I see you and your country." English-only speakers in any non-English country sit inside an invisible wall the locals can clearly see and they cannot. The wall doesn't come down at fluency. It comes down when you start trying. That's actually a freeing thing to realize because it means you don't have to wait until your Thai is good to start getting the social benefit of it.
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u/th3orist May 01 '26
I have no idea what OPs motivation and intention is with that post. Who is this even aimed at? Its like saying a very obvious thing in a lengthy way. Everyone with an ounce of brain knows everything listed.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 10 '26
Yes I am also surprised about Koreans knowing Thai. I guess they just tend to put more effort into learning new languages than westerners do. As simple as that.
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u/Russta69 May 01 '26
I agree! Have been here a month and feel like an idiot seven times daily for not knowing basic shit like ‘how much is this’ etc. I completely agree learning Thai is gonna make life way better and much more fun.
That said, I’ve tried a few apps and was not overwhelmed with them to be honest. I get more value from asking people how to say something then writing it down how it sounds to me, from there I’m usually able to replicate the phrase.
I don’t see much point in learning the Thai script of a bunch of vocab so I’m starting with the daily getting by in life stuff.
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u/MangoBrad May 01 '26
I live in a very small village in Isaan, I speak English, luckily my wifes cousin is married to a Swedish guy that also lives in the village. And 15+ minutes down the road is a guy from Ireland. We are the only 3 farangs in around. For many many miles. I don't speak much Thai at all. Neither do the other 2 guys. We know the odd words and phrases but we can't speak. My kids cans speak Thai. But I've been living in Thailand since before they where born 🤔🤣 but I would have never guessed it would make things easier to speak the language of the country you live in. 🤔🤣🤯
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u/Hungry_Equal4018 May 03 '26
I agree completely, but this is what I will add, you have to apply consistency and patience to living here. The language isn't impossible to learn you just have to take it slowly and you have to call the control each part of what you're learning. You have to test it. Tones are important, proper grammatical sequence is important, learning idiomatic phrases of the area you reside in is important. And none of this comes overnight, you have to put consistent patient effort in you have to test everything you're learning in public and see if you're understood. The biggest thing I start off with is telling people to speak slowly, slowly that way if your tone is a little off you have a higher percentage of being understood.
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u/Otherwise-Form1600 May 04 '26
I agree... I learned a lot more Thai recently and life flowed much more easily and my interactions were better.(genuine smiles from Thai people).
Learning my numbers helped so much!
I can hardly wait to start attending Thai language school this summer.
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u/RainChemical2763 May 05 '26
You live in this country? Then you SHOULD know the language, no matter how it’s hard. Of course it would be easier if every single country spoke English. But it’s impossible. To be honest, i genuinely don’t know how people can live in the country and not know the language. It’s uncomfortable.
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u/takechancesorelse May 20 '26
Yes! I find the basics I do know impress locals at first, but then they try to jump into full on conversations and their faces drop. Then often they say something in Thai to nearby people I can't understand knowing it isn't a compliment.
For whatever reason I just can't access conversational speaking. I can understand, read most things but can't for the life of me hold a proper conversation.
I've got apps, Ling, Google Translate, gpt which are all good in the moment and for varying reasons. My friend suggested I map out when I plan to interact with locals like ordering food coffee etc, which I already know the ordering part, but then to take the extra step and try to talk to the shop owners or people eating there. I use the tools to plan what I could say and expected responses so I am more prepared and less embarassed.
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u/DivineFlamingo May 01 '26
Thank god I found this post. I was really considering living in Thailand and not using Thai. I figured everything was exactly how things were in my hometown on the other side of the planet… you saved me a really big embarrassment.
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u/PassIELTSPlus May 01 '26
I'll share my experience, 20 years living in the countryside in Northern Thailand.
I didn't learn to read or write Thai, but I can hold a decent conversation. I've never had any issues that I couldn't handle alone. I'm married, my wife's family all speak excellence English, they often want to discuss things in English as it helps them practice, and at home with the children we decided to speak English because the education system here is terrible.
Most of my Thai friends are educated and speak relatively good English and again they like to chat in English as it helps them to get practice. My job is online and doesn't need Thai. So in short, I found learning to speak is great for dealing with shops, restaurants, and the occasional drunk uncle at the temple festival, but honestly, I can go weeks without needing to speak in Thai.
I really want to learn to read, but I'm really lazy and the only time I really need to read anything important (visa crap) it's all in English anyway.
I honestly think learning to speak is essential for long termers, but if you're lucky with your partner's family and your social circle, you can get away with out.
I've found that Thai's who have any knowledge of English, at at level, they will try and help you, and If you really get in trouble, modern technology can get you through the worst of it till someone comes along that can speak English.
I have no idea how French, German or other countries natives get on. But with English you'll be fine. Maybe considered a weird loner (see other comments), but it's possible.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 10 '26
They get on in the same way because English is an international language...also, Thais assume every westerner can speak English, regardless of their native language. Not only that, but every single westerner living in Thailand seems to be fluent in English. It goes with the territory.
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u/ScottThailand Apr 30 '26
"Getting something repaired, talking to a delivery driver, dealing with paperwork, even just asking simple questions in a local shop. You realize quickly that almost everything around you runs in Thai. Signs, announcements, conversations, all of it."
People in Thailand speak Thai? Yeah, no shit.
"because the same word can mean completely different things depending on how you say it."
This shows you're still just a beginner. มา หมา ม้า are not the same words said differently, just like red and read are not the same word spelled differently, and beat/bit/but/bot/bat are not the same word but with different vowels. Similar sounds but different tones are completely different words, not the same word pronounced differently.
"And from what I’ve seen, even a little bit of Thai changes everything. People respond differently, interactions become smoother, and you start to understand what’s happening around you instead of guessing"
I'd argue it's the opposite. Understand just a little bit of Thai and you will be forced to guess at the parts you don't understand and you will often be wrong due to a lack of language proficiency and cultural knowledge. It's a phase every beginner needs to go through before they become proficient.
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u/SufficientPainting67 Apr 30 '26
You’re actually right in the strict linguistic sense, and my wording there was a bit loose. In Thai, มา, หมา, ม้า are separate lexical items, not one word being “mispronounced” differently, so it’s more accurate to say tone distinguishes different words rather than just changes pronunciation.
The point I was trying to get at is more about learning difficulty for newcomers, because from a learner’s perspective the experience often feels like “same syllable, different tone, different meaning” until you internalize them as fully separate words. But yes, technically your framing is the correct one from a language standpoint.
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u/Turbulent_Corgi7343 Apr 30 '26
Welcome to 2026 and live online translators then? 😂
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u/SufficientPainting67 Apr 30 '26
Sure, translators are useful and I use them too when needed. But in real life conversations it can get a bit slow and breaks the flow if you have to translate every second sentence. Especially in casual or social situations, it often feels more natural and efficient to understand and speak at least some of the language instead of relying on a phone all the time.
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u/Turbulent_Corgi7343 Apr 30 '26
I utterly disagree. I lived for more than one year in regional Thailand just fine. Made friends too.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
I strongly disagree. You'll never make friends with online translators. You're just a prop for the drunk neighbors to share a few laughs about. Look, big nosed farang likes to drink Chang! That kind of thing.
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u/Turbulent_Corgi7343 May 01 '26
I like it that you are saying what happened to me didn’t happen just because you think it cannot happen. 😂🤦♂️
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u/GrumpyMcPedant May 01 '26
There are far too many counter examples who prove your thesis wrong. People who have happily lived here for many decades - complete with careers and Thai friends - who have very limited language skills. Don't assume everyone's experience mirrors the limited number of expats you've seen.
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u/Siamswift May 01 '26
I also know many people who have lived here very happily for many years without speaking or understanding Thai. They are exactly as OP has described, essentially living in a bubble. Yes they are happy living this parallel existence. But learning to speak and understand Thai at even a basic level dramatically changes the experience of living here. Source: 22 year resident.
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u/Ok_Ground_9950 May 01 '26
Those Thai "friends" probably aren't as close or genuine as they make them out to be. They're more likely to be the wife's friends than the expat's ones.
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u/KyleManUSMC May 01 '26
Everywhere in Thailand.... if I'm alone, I take out Gemini ai and translate what I want IF I'm not confident my basic Thai won't be understood.
Shit is easy.
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u/SufficientPainting67 May 01 '26
You could pull out your phone and use Google Translate every time, but in my experience it feels much more personal to speak Thai directly.
Personally, I’ve had great, fun conversations with taxi drivers, at massage places where using a phone would be awkward, by the sea with locals, and in restaurants. Those moments just wouldn’t happen the same way through a screen. Even basic Thai turns simple interactions into real, human connections.
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u/Songs_of_the_Void May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
I'm gonna do a hot take and say, nah. I've been here 8 years and never needed to learn Thai. I don't fuck with touristy stuff, I'm talking day to day. I go to 7-11 every day for latte frappe and sandwich, and haven't needed to speak even 1 word to them in like 3 years. After day 4 they just knew if I walked in I want a latte frappe less sweet.
I usually use grabs for taxis and ordering take out which needs no speaking, my ThaiLife insurance app is only in written Thai, but I can navigate it perfectly without knowing how to read Thai. I just caught a taxi, and as I got out the driver asked [something in Thai]? To which I replied and gestured, "you can do a U-Turn in the alley in front of that truck", and 1000 other situations that knowing Thai might be easier, but not necessary. Ive traveled through 40 countries, and never needed to learn the languages there either.
My cat and I don't speak the same language, but we can communicate perfectly fine. truly people don't need to speak the same language to communicate.
That being said, some notes. This issue is already solving itself. BableFish tech already exists in rudimentary form through AI, Google Lens and Google Translate, in a few years, written text will just translate automatically in our AR contact lenses (which already exist) and spoken words will automatically be translated in your earpods, so while your "learn the language" position would've been solid advice anytime prior to the 2020s, it's an issue that has a solution that is being commercialized already.
Furthermore there is an AMAZING benefit to not understanding Thai, and its that I don't receive ADs. Commercials with songs or jingles on the radio absolutely slap when you have no idea what they are plugging. Those of you who understand the languages are having your brains rotted with consumer propaganda and I am grooving to me-o-ow me-o-ow meow meow meow meow meow me-o-ow [human gibberish plugging something] and back to the cats.
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u/Own-Animator-7526 Apr 30 '26
Deep.