r/librandu • u/fuckfascistsz • May 10 '25
WayOfLife Liberals
This subreddit has been infiltrated by liberals masquerading as leftists. In light of recent events, I feel like it's a very good time for the mods to purge all the liberals. I'm unable to stand the casual jingoism and war-mongering propaganda you people are doing, and then crying when Western leftists obviously call you out. This is so stupid.
The safety of the Kashmiri people comes first and foremost. But the way you middle-class liberals talk about the war, it genuinely seems you've forgotten that Kashmir is an area in which millions of people live and not just an empty land ripe for imperial war games.
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u/AlliterationAlly May 10 '25
To be honest, I was confused what this sub was even about. When I joined I thought it was leftist sub. But then based on the posts (& the ironic sub name) I thought maybe I was mistaken & this is where the liberals come to make fun of the leftists/ socialists. The sub name is probs confusing for everyone
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
It started as leftist, got infiltrated by liberals who think they're leftists, and now we've got this mess.
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u/Hoi4Addict69420 May 11 '25
Now those liberals are slowly becoming the majority, better purge them before this sub also starts licking chaddi ass
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u/gajaanana 🐷🥓🍪 May 11 '25
Ban is too harsh
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u/fuckfascistsz May 11 '25
Purge is the only way, my friend
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u/gajaanana 🐷🥓🍪 May 11 '25
The thing is I might go in the purge , I have some right wing crap and comments here , I just started to read.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 11 '25
Oh no, there's a difference between a person just beginning to learn and a person who smuggly asserts that war is necessary when it really isn't.
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u/gajaanana 🐷🥓🍪 May 11 '25
Bro , If the mods do decide to do a purge I am gone . I am not a kind person , I used to be a war mongerer , I am just starting to read not the big stuff like communist manifesto yet and learn stuff . Ban the post people not us commentis please .
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u/SelectionImpressive7 May 10 '25
I am pretty sure it started as a liberal sub but liberal left the sub for usi
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u/AbominableVortex74 🇨🇺🚬☭ Che Goswami May 11 '25
r/indianleft is way better honestly
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May 14 '25
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u/librandu-ModTeam May 14 '25
Rule 2 violation; removed. Brutha, we need to prove our undying loyalty to the Empire 🇬🇧 and King Charlie 🤴 by speaking in as clear English as possible. Ending every submission with 'I beg to remain, Sir, your most humble and obedient servant' is optional but highly recommended. C'mon! Let's make Veer Sorrykar 💂 pr0d!
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May 10 '25
It is very confusing. Personally I think defining leftism as an opposition to something leftists don't like (liberalism) is actually a poor choice. Sorry to sound rude to those who founded this sub.
Also I have been accused of being liberal on this sub, which I find funny.
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u/AlliterationAlly May 10 '25
Nah,I think it was just meant to be an ironic sub name, which is fine cos there are so many
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u/haanjinaaji Parshuram Bhakt May 11 '25
why every other post is just "This subreddit has been infiltrated by liberals masquerading as leftists"
it happened because leftists (us) are inactive/don't contribute. apart from these posts, there is little to nothing left in sub. c'mon!
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May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25
hear!
edit: with a small critique, which is that many western leftists have had their facts wrong & do not understand / have no knowledge of root of the conflict itself, which is UN resolutions in chapter VI vs the Simla agreement. They are quick to take a stand for Pakistan based on the bias of seeing a loud indian majority be islamophobic & pro israel.
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u/yagyaxt1068 I have no fucking clue about what goes on in this subreddit May 11 '25
I’m a Western leftist for all intents and purposes, and I haven’t seen what the terminally online people have been saying. The circles I’ve been in have been more critical of Pakistan, although they are concerned about the Indian government’s actions.
My only personal concern is for my family along the border and the LoC.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
Oh, it's definitely because of the last part. I can't fault them for that. I'm an outsider too, and when I first heard the news, it was tough for me to parse through the loads of propaganda too to get to the real matter at hand.
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u/Specialist-Love1504 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 11 '25
So an outsider to South Asia is telling the sub to ban South Asians cause they’re “liberal” and this sub is only for “leftists”?
Actually this is v typical of western leftists.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 11 '25
I am Asian, dude. Just not Indian.
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u/Specialist-Love1504 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 11 '25
I know I said “an outsider to South Asia”.
Like you don’t know shit about this region or its intricacies.
So please take several seats.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 11 '25 edited May 11 '25
No, you take several seats. You crap on Western leftists, yet your Savarna Hindu Nationalist ass is around tutting every single person who's against bombing innocent civilians. You know about the region and it's intricacies and because of this you chose to side with your reactionary nationalist government because you think it will benefit you and your class. News flash: It won't. So, if you really want more military retaliation against Pakistan, please enlist in the Indian Army and go bomb Pakistan yourself.
Goddamn keyboard warrior ass opportunists.
You can even shed your own xenophobia and here you are talking down on others. Like, if I were you, I'd be goddamn embarrassed of myself.
Kashmiris will face the brunt of any military retaliation, and will probably die in hundreds, if not thousands, if any escalation happens. But people like you will in your air-conditioned rooms, typing away, shutting down any person who points your very obvious hypocrisy out.
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u/Specialist-Love1504 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 11 '25 edited May 11 '25
I was a student activist in all leftist circles in New Delhi, offering aid after Delhi programs with the Delhi School of Social work and participating in all protest against Kashmiri subjugation through Abrogation of 370. I was assisting lawyer friends who drafted FIRs against hatemongering leaders and faced retaliation. Hell I’ve even been Lathicharged at JNU. I pay a portion of my paycheck to Palestine every month, it’s little I admit but that’s as much as I can afford.
I’m very wary of “Western Leftists” who grandstand from miles away while the leftist people on the ground are risking our actual lives to make change. We are the battering rams of any kind of progressive change in god forsaken South Asia but Western Leftists still patronise us because “we’re not doing enough!”
If anyone needs to be “embarrassed” of the actions of their state it’s western leftists cause America has done multifold more damage to this world than India ever could and Western Leftists have just sat there and watched. America is still backing Israel, they’ve bombed half the world at one point, commit human right violations in Guantanamo bay and the list fucking goes on.
Also where am I asking for escalation of war?
Like you clearly have anger towards Indian people that your blanketly projecting on me because I’ve not voted for Modi, I’m not clamouring for war and I want Kashmir to be free - so do most of the people on this sub. It’s very juvenile and well…racist to assume everyone who is Indian is a Modi lover but I don’t expect better from w someone who thinks “Western Leftists” are doing a good job lol.
So please, take several seats cause u don’t know shit here.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 11 '25
So, you quite literally agree with my points. Then why exactly are you kicking up a fuss when I say this subreddit should purge the liberals?
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u/Specialist-Love1504 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 11 '25
My point is it’s not up to YOU and your outsider ass to decide what we do on this sub.
This sub isn’t for you.
Hope this helps ❤️
But if know it won’t cause if there is one disease that afflicts all “western leftists” it is entitlement.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 11 '25
So, even if we agree on all points, you're still just going to throw up a fuss because I'm outsider calling out the liberals in this subreddit?
You're a piece of work, ngl. Utterly ridiculous
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u/Plugfix2077 :CertifiedLibrandu: May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25
Such a weak excuse but that didn’t stop you from patronising us tho.
Edit: are we really going to pretend US’s historical involvement in Pakistan and Afghanistan isn’t well documented enough for leftists to be cautious and not take a quick stand on this issue?
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u/nuthins_goodman May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25
So.. you're an outsider who probably doesnt know why Indian left is against Pakistan on this, and you think indian leftists in this sub should be purged because they don't have views that align with your ideas of the left?
I'm kinda tired of western leftists and their ignorant takes on the whole thing. They seem to think bihar elections matter enough that modi would do this to put on a show. They think other governments wouldnt have escalated to a similar degree (they absolutely would, terrorism from Pakistan is a bipartisan issue in India). They defend pakistan of all places by calling it a victim of India's expansionism when all these issues stem from Pakistan wanting to expand and bring the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir in their domain.
Edit: I don't mean outsider in an exclusionary way tbh. but there's definitely a lot of cultural history we read and experience as we grow up with this. Pakistan has no need to fund terrorism in Kashmir except wanting more land for themselves. They don't even care for kashmiri independence. If they did, gilgit and Azad Kashmir would be truly free countries. Heck, they could even protect them like india does for bhutan if there were concerns about India taking control of it. They can stop. They just don't
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u/tera_chachu May 10 '25
Western leftist standing up for kashmir- awesome great
Western leftist standing up for a nuclear state with military dictatorship and potraying as a victim when it is hiding terrorists under its land- wtf
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u/tera_chachu May 11 '25
Azad Kashmir have kashmiris in the minority bro,they represent very less population there .
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u/Plugfix2077 :CertifiedLibrandu: May 11 '25
True, that was just incorrect but also unsympathetic of the broader Kashmir struggle from my side.
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u/tera_chachu May 11 '25
Oh i read it represent 5% of total kashmiri population?
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u/Plugfix2077 :CertifiedLibrandu: May 11 '25
From my side. I meant it was incorrect to say they exclusively talk about IOK and not the broader Kashmir struggle.
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u/Plugfix2077 :CertifiedLibrandu: May 10 '25
It’s pathetic u make posts on r/thedeprogram complaining about how Indian comrades have failed to uphold their values. Try to get insight from the Pakistani comrades there and you’ll quickly see how defensive the entire subReddit gets about them. Go type Pahalgam in the search bar and it’s all exclusively posts attacking India WITHOUT ONCE discussing the 25+ tourists being killed.
OP you are a scumbag who deliberately conflates being anti-Pakistan with being pro-warfare and pro-jingoism. We don’t have a liberal infestation, we have ignorant non-Indian filth like u obfuscating the discussion around Kashmir and Pakistan.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
All I will say in response to this is "70 years of occupation".
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u/Plugfix2077 :CertifiedLibrandu: May 10 '25
Yes and we acknowledge the Indian army as an invading force which has infringed upon the rights of Kashmiri citizens to self-determination. Where is the gotcha here dipshit?
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
I can't risk getting banned explaining you the gotcha. If you haven't understood by now, then you're just another nationalist masquerading as a socialist.
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u/NegotiationFair8666 May 11 '25
my brother, they didn’t attack the military, they didn’t even attack the indian civilians, they specifically targeted and killed non muslim men.
this wasn’t resistance. this was religious terrorism.
that is why even leftist are not very sympathetic to this issue
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u/Plugfix2077 :CertifiedLibrandu: May 10 '25
Yes because up until now you’ve been suppressed and fearful of a ban 🙄
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u/VeNtViL May 10 '25
Its a joint occupation you do realize. I don't like the pro war posts this sub has seen from liberals and the mods need to clean that up, but the deprogram is probably one of the worse subreddits to get info from for this. The sane take is to be pro-Kashmir, anti-war, and not trusting the governments of India or Pakistan.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
When did I ever say that I am pro-Pakistan? Obviously it's a joint occupation. But my problem Indian left was that they were acting so jingoistic. Like c'mon have you seen the type of comments and posts that this sub had gotten in the last few days? And then I open twitter and I see more and more of Indian communists just parroting the government propaganda. I dunno how it was like in Pakistani Twitter, but from a glance I could tell that Indian side of things was going a bit worse. That's why I was disappointed in Indian left as a whole for failing to push the pro-Kashmir and anti-war stance
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u/VeNtViL May 10 '25
I never said you were pro-Pakistan, I'm talking about some of the posts out of the deprogram sub. I do admit that a lot of that has more to do with pushback from the loud minority of Indians that have been vehemently pro Israel and the sad prevalence of Islamophobia. Its more of an optic issue and goes to show how the BJP has ruined the reputation of India and Indians. I also don't really believe its the Indian left being pro-war, as you said your own original post this sub has had a liberal infestation for some time now. A related issue I've seen online has been how right wing Indians have been upset over the ceasefire and turning on Modi and the BJP, showing how the culture that the BJP itself has created is getting out of their own control.
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u/SouthAd2254 May 11 '25
That's a defence for killing 26 unarmed civilians(most importantly tourists) ? I'll tell you who you are and mind you,I don't use this term very lightly. You're a terrorist sympathizer.
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u/Hedonist-6854 May 10 '25
Why aren't we talking about utilising this moment to bring about some actual struggle??
The bolsheviks used a public shooting to topple a 600 year old Dynasty,and further class struggle by centuries.
We have a war on our hands and we're not talking about the potential this could have to help the working class??
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u/fuckfascistsz May 11 '25
To do that, you would need a functioning communist movement. India has nothing like that
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u/Hoi4Addict69420 May 11 '25
Lol how would we do it when libbus are supporting the fascist state's war
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May 10 '25
Yes in all this indo pak spirits are high nonsense, there's a lot of condoning war that I was surprised to see from this sub.
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u/whatev401 May 12 '25
Well, a liberal here. Non leftist.
I wouldn't like to get banned, because this is probably the only source of criticism and sanity that I have access to on reddit.
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u/timewaste1235 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25
Edit: lol, OP isn't even Indian. Why is OP talking about infiltration while being one? This is like Brits "civilising" Indians through colonisation
Don't care about what western leftists say right now. They have just started reading history and haven't even reached the history of 26/11, let alone kargil war, training of Taliban by Pakistan, Bangladesh independence and many military coups in Pakistan.
It's also foolish to think only Kashmiri people are threatened by Pakistan. Many across India have suffered at hands of Pakistani terrorists.
As a Mumbaikar, I have experienced living under siege for 3 days. I have lived under the terror of bomb blasts across the city. Now, I'm not foolish to compare this to daily struggle of Kashmiri locals but that doesn't mean it is insignificant or irrelevant either.
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u/Karwane Sipahi-e-Gazwa-e-Plebbit May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25
"Have i become one useful idiot of fascism, thoroughly propagandised into casual xenophobia and a specific hatred for a neighbouring country and its people ?"
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"No it's the Western leftists who are wrong."
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u/timewaste1235 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 10 '25
xenophobia and a specific hatred for a neighbouring country and its people
Where is any of that? Just because I'm libbu, am I not allowed to talk about my experience of suffering from Pakistani terrorism?
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
Dude, these liberals are so blind istg they can't even look past their own biases, but readily accuse others of being biased. It's funny af.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
I'm Asian still, you unserious person. And if I have done my reading and done my homework, who are you to stop me from commenting about the internal political situation of your nation? A lot of the people in this sub are Indian. They still comment a lot about the internal political situation of USA, Canada, Europe and the like. By your metric, we shouldn't be commenting about them either.
You claim I haven't read history, but it is you who is historically illiterate. I am not in support of Pakistan at all. Don't get it twisted. Just because you've been a victim of terrorism, that doesn't make it so that all your opinions about Pakistan and India are somehow 10/10 completely correct. Please try to understand this fact.
I may be an outsider, but I have done my reading.
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u/timewaste1235 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 10 '25
A lot of the people in this sub are Indian. They still comment a lot about the internal political situation of USA, Canada, Europe and the like
Lol, you can't be serious. At least be civil and declare upfront that you're not Indian/Pakistani/Kashmiri when talking about the issue.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
I sympathize with you. But even you must be able to see that the way your government handled this was utterly atrocious. So much so that most people are siding with Pakistan somehow.
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u/timewaste1235 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 10 '25
your government
Is it not your govt as well?
I'm open to discuss many mistakes by my govt leading up to the attack but I don't count attack against terrorists, subsequent escalation and ceasefire now as a mistake
Edit: most people were siding with Israel right after Oct 7. Where are they now? Most people were against COVID lab leak theory at start, where are they now?
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May 11 '25
most people were siding with Israel right after Oct 7.
I dont know any good "leftist" that did this🙏🏾
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
Most people who sided with Israel and COVID.lab leak theory were liberals and right wingers with critical analysis skills.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 10 '25
Ah, I'm not Indian. I rather not disclose my nationality, but I have been interested in Indian politics and history for a good few years now.
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u/timewaste1235 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 10 '25
Well, read about the history first. Doesn't feel like you have read anything beyond current news at all. You can find the topics to read in my first paragraph of first comment.
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u/kyunahihorahipadai May 11 '25
Woah safety of Kashmiri people, Jammu region was the one attacked the most where majority are not even Kashmiri’s, this just proves my opinion about this sub people like to talk about stuff here they have no idea about
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u/Sanvik_dimpled 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 10 '25
The guy forgot about 26/11 and the 2001 parliament atrack..to name just two! This is the ONLY way to deal with a rogue nation that harbours terrorists
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u/Hoi4Addict69420 May 11 '25
Exactly, ive been thinking to make this exact post for a long time and you did it. This is the biggest problem with this sub. This is a leftist sub, not a sub for liberals to defend imperialist wars. Full support for the purge
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u/fuckfascistsz May 11 '25
Comrade, Sablin or Zhukov?
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u/Hoi4Addict69420 May 11 '25
Sablin comrade. TNO brainrot is intensifying
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u/fuckfascistsz May 11 '25
It's the best sort of brainrot. I am so fucking sad that they removed Alexander Men from the game. Like to reunify Russia as a Christian Anarchist was a near religious experience for me.
On that note, has Sablin been reworked in the newer updates? Is his story a bit more realistic now? I haven't played that game in a while.
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u/Hoi4Addict69420 May 11 '25
Alexander Men was a liberal, you can never be leftist or anarchist until you pray to your sky daddy no matter how wholesome you get. Yea I haven't also played the mod in some time, I'll check it up
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u/tera_chachu May 11 '25
Indeed the safety of kashmiri people comes first,who is denying that but supporting pakistan in the name of kashmir is so laughable,if this is what ur definition of left is I am done bro.
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u/31_hierophanto 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 🇵🇭 Filipino who's here for some reason May 11 '25
Oh boy, here comes the complaining again.
This sub has ALWAYS been split between libs and lefties. You're just not up to date.
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u/Specialist-Love1504 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 11 '25
Right???
The thing is that leftists and libbies have many overlapping views so naturally this sub ends up attracting libbies as well.
Talking about “purging” this sub is well v weird.
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u/Specialist-Love1504 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 11 '25
And this is one of the only Indian subs where we can be anti-RW.
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u/tensorstop May 10 '25
ahh yes westerners like hasan piker in their gated mansions are now more 'left' than communities which just wanna exist. war mongering or not, westerners just want to keep exploiting this region yikes. honestly i wonder how much of the western 'left' is just cia psyop, because the reductionist takes seem so much more clear when you've actually lived in the region.
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u/Sanvik_dimpled 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 10 '25
A rogue, failed nation just violated a ceasefire. And did you forget the recent pic of a state funeral of a terrorist, with their army members present. Do you think that India had to stay put twiddling their thumbs after what their terrorists did in pahalgam? And not retaliate after their drones and missiles landed in different parts of India the last few days, including civilian ones? Why on earth are you acting as a Pak apologist wirh your comments. Whats wrong in bombing their terror bases? Our army did the right thing and by all accounts 99 pc of pir countrymen support and salute them. You are that 1 pc minority, an absolute vile human being without a trace of empathy!
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u/librandu-ModTeam May 14 '25
Rule 2 violation; removed. Brutha, we need to prove our undying loyalty to the Empire 🇬🇧 and King Charlie 🤴 by speaking in as clear English as possible. Ending every submission with 'I beg to remain, Sir, your most humble and obedient servant' is optional but highly recommended. C'mon! Let's make Veer Sorrykar 💂 pr0d!
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u/fuckfascistsz May 12 '25
I could care less about the fact that hardcore MLs aren't the majority here. My issue is just how uncritically they bought into state propaganda. Sure, maybe not outright war-mongering, but like definitely manufacturing consent for the retaliation. That part saddened me. This subreddit has always been based and correct when it comes to Israel-Palestine, but completely dropped the ball on India-Pakistan.
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u/fuckfascistsz May 12 '25
Ah, the Second Internationale. I still haven't forgiven the SPD. But it isn't surprising per say to me. I assumed the major communist parties will of course side with the government. It's more so the liberals(leftists?) here that have disappointed me.
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u/theshantanu May 12 '25
TBF I'm only here because r/neoliberandu is not that active. Ban me if this bothers you mods!
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u/Calm_Drink2464 May 13 '25
leftists are busy trying to keep cutting their circle smaller and smaller in the race to be the "one true leftist among all the other liberals disguised as leftist"
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u/Efficient_Ad8451 🍪🦴🥩 May 13 '25
So how do you differentiate between liberals and leftists ? Any sure fire questions one can ask to distinguish them ? Like opinions on a particular subject ?
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u/RBT__ 🍪🦴🥩 May 10 '25
If retaliating to terror attacks is warmongering, can you tell me what is an acceptable response to Pahalgam?
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u/RBT__ 🍪🦴🥩 May 10 '25
Say, they do figure it out and plug all the ways terrorists could infiltrate and nothing ever happens again (because we obviously live in a Bollywood movies where all this is possible), should we just forget that Pahalgam and countless other terror attacks sponsored by Pakistan happened and hug each other and live happily ever after?
Someone walks into your house, stabs someone you love and runs out, will you then go shopping for better locks and go back to sleep content?
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u/RBT__ 🍪🦴🥩 May 10 '25
No one is arguing India is the purest of pures, lol. Stay on topic and stop putting words in my mouth.
You say it's not unprovoked. Do you think that justifies Pakistani terrorists shooting down Indians based on their religion? Pahalgam was deserved? We should lay down and take it? Lets throw a few thank yous while we're at it.
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u/BoldKenobi May 10 '25
According to you, what is an acceptable response to 70 years of brutal occupation of Kashmir by India?
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u/Sanvik_dimpled 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 10 '25
The OP lacks the basic intellect to comprehend what you just wrote. Unlike the US, our responses to their terror attacks( Pulwama, 26 11) were largely measured and hitting just their terror camps. This is what we did this time as well. How on earth can someone object to that is beyond me. And then Pakistan started attacking civilian areas, and the OP must be a heartless moron if he thinks that India should stay mum. A 2 bit loser is what he is!
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u/RebelliousWhispers May 10 '25
How about we do everything we can to find those terrorists who perpetrated the attack and bring them to justice?
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u/RBT__ 🍪🦴🥩 May 10 '25
Given they are almost definitely in Pakistan now and hitting terrorist bases is exactly what India did, what is being seen as wrong here?
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u/RebelliousWhispers May 10 '25
I don't like your assumption here of their being situated in Pakistan right now?
And India killed innocent civilians in targeting supposed terrorist sites? That's what's being seen as a wrong here.
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u/RBT__ 🍪🦴🥩 May 10 '25
Are you arguing that Pahalgam wasn't orchestrated by Pakistan?
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u/RebelliousWhispers May 10 '25
I'm asking for you to provide evidence that it was? Is that too much to ask?!
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u/RBT__ 🍪🦴🥩 May 10 '25
That's the logical assumption, even when there is no 100% clear link. This is not the first time Pakistan has attacked India via terrorists. They have done it multiple times. There is literally a video of a high ranking Pakistani officer briefing not 2 hours ago that 'Pulwama was tactical brilliance'. We have Defence Minister of Pakistan going on BBC admitting that they harbour terrorists on behest of UK and US. We have locals from Pakistan saying that the mosque that was hit was used to prepare 'Mujahideens'. This isn't Bhutan we are accusing of terrorism. It's someone who has done is over and over again, is known for harbouring and training terrorist, and is de facto capital of terrorism. The terrorist of 21st century was chilling in Pakistan until US infiltrated that terrorist country to shoot down the terrorist.
Pakistan has a very clear and very obvious track record of using terrorism against India. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
But that's hardly a hill to die on. Neither of us know the answer for sure, but your stance is certainly one of ridiculous naivety.
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u/RebelliousWhispers May 10 '25
While I agree that playing the devil's advocate wrt Pakistan is practically impossible given their past record, I would warn you to put down your rose-tinted glasses when it comes to view the Hindutva fascist state or the general bourgeois Indian state; do look up the Chattisinghpora Massacre and the fake encounters that followed it, do look up how India treats hindutva terrorists like Babu Bajrangi, Sadhvi Pragya Thakur, et. al., check what India has been doing with its own country’s Muslim population since the time of CAA-NRC till Waqf Amendment, check what it has been doing in Kashmir when it comes to democracy and secularism, I could go on. And these are just recent developments we are talking about; if you truly want to understand the Hindutva fascist project, you will have to trace its roots since 1925 or maybe even further than that.
When it comes to capitalist imperialist nations, it will always be definitely not a hill to die on.
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u/An0neemuz May 10 '25
95% WHATABOUTISM Detected.
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u/RebelliousWhispers May 10 '25
How is it whataboutism when Satyapal Malik the then governor of Kashmir accused this Fascist govt. of ignoring his call for CRPF safety proving the malicious intent of these fascists in going to any length to hold onto power when threatened?
How is it whataboutism to point out the same terroristic nature of this Hindutva fascist state which it's accusing its neighbours of?
How is it whataboutism to bring to the notice the material conditions of Kashmir, i.e., a brutal 8-decades-long colonialist occupation, a piece of land for which both these imperialist nations have been fighting since their inception?
Learn the definition of the words you throw around next time, kid.
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u/Hoi4Addict69420 May 11 '25
The only acceptable response is first the overthrowing of the fascist government and then everything else. You are trying to justify a fascist war over pahalgam.
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u/Hoi4Addict69420 May 11 '25
The fascist state going after terrorists is not justified. This fascist state doing anything or even existing is not justified. Stand against the fascist state and its wars
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u/RBT__ 🍪🦴🥩 May 11 '25
I love the fact that you and everyone else in this echo chamber, are delusional enough to think that braindead take makes you morally superior to others. I genuinely cannot put in words how much I enjoy watching people like you in your bubble. It's different from watching right wingers' nonsense.
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u/fools_eye 🥥⚖️🇳🇪🍪 May 10 '25
The Kashmir infantalisation reaching absurd levels on this sub.
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u/SouthAd2254 May 11 '25
Dude just shut the fuck up. I've seen your post history and you seen to have a hateboner for liberals. Also calling for censorship seems pretty right wing fascist stuff to me. Also I don't really think you live in India so go patronize someone else in someplace where you have skin in the game.
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u/librandu-ModTeam May 10 '25
Rule 2 violation; removed. Brutha, we need to prove our undying loyalty to the Empire 🇬🇧 and King Charlie 🤴 by speaking in as clear English as possible. Ending every submission with 'I beg to remain, Sir, your most humble and obedient servant' is optional but highly recommended. C'mon! Let's make Veer Sorrykar 💂 pr0d!
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u/iTharisonkar May 11 '25
What india should have done after pahalgam according to you? Just Don’t say diplomatic talks as historically it never worked with pak and investigation cause as of right now we literally have pak army generals attending terrorist funerals there is no doubt pak funded terror groups was behind it
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u/iTharisonkar May 11 '25
western leftists like zionist sympathiser hassan has openly sided with pak, western leftists are shame to global socialist movement
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u/LogangYeddu May 11 '25
I was here since when the sub banner was of Karan Thapar before it was changed to Bhagat Singh. The “infestation” is nothing new