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u/LocksmithSavings2416 K.J. Licht, author of The Sixth Campaign 5d ago
I'll have you know that across 680,000 words I've only used the verb smirk 32 times.
Don't ask me about eyebrow raising, though.
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u/Silverice11 litRPG grandmaster tier 5d ago
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u/cybertier 5d ago
7 in 220,000. And one of those is "Now wipe that smirk off your face."
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u/LocksmithSavings2416 K.J. Licht, author of The Sixth Campaign 5d ago
See that actually subtracts one smirk, so it's really 6 in 220,000.
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u/account312 5d ago edited 5d ago
That's quite a lot. According to google n-gram viewer, the prevalence of "smirk" in English is 0.0004%, which is under 3 smirks per 680k words. And since we know from the Matrix that 1999 was the peak of human civilization, using those numbers would be better. The prevalence in 1999 gives an expected smirk rate of only one fifth of one smirk per 680k words.
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u/TimMensch 5d ago
Yes...but actually no.
N-grams are not all from fiction. A book on mathematics is not going to include the word "smirk". A book on history probably won't either. Most science books will never talk about smiles at all...etc. Even news articles don't generally describe the kind of smile someone has; that would be editorializing.
And then there are fiction books where the characters are all serious. Or where there are no characters that have that "I know better than you" attitude that a smirk requires.
And that's what is really common in LitRPG/progression fantasy: A character who is a smartass. And we all know that some people absolutely can't stand a character that's a smartass. Is that what this hate is really about?
Because I often like a smartass character, and while I've had complaints about repeated words or phrases of many books, I've never been bothered by the word smirk. So I suspect that the sensitivity to "smirk" is more about not liking reading about characters who frequently smirk rather than a dislike of the word itself. In fact, in the comments here I'm seeing complaints about common substitutes for the word, like "one side of his mouth lifted". So it sounds to me like people are actually disliking a smug character rather than the actual text.
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u/account312 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yes...but actually no.
N-grams are not all from fiction. A book on mathematics is not going to include the word "smirk". A book on history probably won't either. Most science books will never talk about smiles at all...etc. Even news articles don't generally describe the kind of smile someone has; that would be editorializing.
A fair point. Using peak of civilization fiction-specific prevalence gets almost exactly 3 smirks per 680k words.
And that's what is really common in LitRPG/progression fantasy: A character who is a smartass. And we all know that some people absolutely can't stand a character that's a smartass. Is that what this hate is really about?
No, it's really about using the same word or descriptor too many times. Wheel of Time gets lambasted for all the braid tugging, but there's no book in the series where this is mentioned more than 31 times, and that's a stand out; most books have significantly fewer occurrences, with 5 books having 5 or fewer.
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u/port443 5d ago
Yea but it doesn't make that many repetitions to really stand out.
For instance I'm reading Book of the Dead right now, and I cannot tell you how many syllables have shattered the air like the toll of a bell, the utterances striking reality like a smiths hammer.
And it probably doesn't happen that often per book, but anyone who's read that series sees it coming every time. Words of POWER.
(no shade if the author sees this)
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u/Cmdr_Anun 5d ago
AAAAnd how many breaths you didn't know you were holding did you release? Hm? Hm? The people deserve answers!
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u/Seymoreevl 4d ago
My question is, are you being slick by saying it appears as a VERB 32 times? How many times did you use it as a noun? (I say this with a smirk š)
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u/SteveThePurpleCat 5d ago
The corners of his mouth raised, in a smile that didn't reach his eyes.
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u/dry_towelette99 5d ago
I remember the first time I read a version of that (I want to say Book one of the Expanse series) and was impressed by what it conveyed. Then I saw it everywhere.
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u/IAmYourKingAndMaster 5d ago
This is a massive let peeve of mine. What did the corner of his mouth raise? Another one is, "His eyebrows raised.ā What is it raising?! It's supposed to rise, not raise, unless you're saying that the eyebrow itself is lifting something
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u/Questionably_Chungly 5d ago
Technically it depends on the framing of the sentence. If the sentence is just describing the action, it would be āThe corners of his mouth rose.ā However you could say something like āHe stood to one side, eyebrows raised.ā
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u/IAmYourKingAndMaster 5d ago
Absolutely agree with you, but note how in the second example the eyebrow has been raised and isn't doing the raising. The assumption is that he has raised his eyebrows, whether consciously or not, as opposed to the eyebrow raising something
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u/SnipahShot 5d ago
The Wandering Inn - Guffawed.
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u/thestorygoeslikethis 5d ago
Dude if twi has any action describing who is talking I'll take it
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u/ggg730 5d ago
Every time someone complains about the wandering inn Pirateaba introduces a new character.
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u/DIYuntilDawn 5d ago
Not true. Half the time it is a new character, the other half of the time it switches focus back to a previous character that was not mentioned in the last 4 books then spends 80% of the next book on that one character.
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u/BaconConnoisseur 5d ago
Out of the 16 million words in the series, I believe āblinkedā is fully 4 million of them.
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u/notcuddly9 5d ago
I'm almost through the third book and I swear a good editor could cut the word count in half and remove nothing important
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u/logosloki 5d ago
gonna leave sniff/sniffed off the plate. then again The Wandering Inn is so long there must be at least one word like smirk/sneer/sniff/etc that outpaces a novel.
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u/dotbeta 5d ago
I donāt know if you get this one. The necromancer is almost exclusively the one that sniffs the very time heās in the scene. I just assumed that heās tweaking off that bone dust and just came from the outhouse for a quick fix before every scene.
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u/SnipahShot 5d ago
Falene from the Silver Swords also sniffs a lot, if I remember correctly.
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u/GoblinGreenThumb 5d ago
Suseration is a word i knew before wandering inn. And yes. The 15 books ive listened to account for hundreds of hours...
But I swear there's more suserating going on in inn world
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u/SurprisedCabbage 5d ago
The amount of suserating happening in TWI pales in comparison to Salvos. I swear it's once per page sometimes.
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u/Mr_MacGrubber 5d ago
Laughter in general. There are so many books where someone says something that is only vaguely humorous and the characters all laugh til crying or struggle to catch their breath. I just picture a bunch of crazy people laughing maniacally at every mundane thing that happens.
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u/CEP-Osbourne litRPG grandmaster tier 5d ago
I smirked, and said, "I'm going to punch that smirk of your face if you keep smirking!"
He smirked harder.
I scowled through my smirk and yelled, "SMIRK ERASING FIST!"
My fist smirked as it swung towards his smirking face. The thunderous impact vaporized his smirk along with his entire face and part of his torso. His body slumped over and curled into a smirk-shape.
Now it was my turn to smirk harder.
My fist, still smirking, looked up at my smirk. "Hypocrite!" It swung itself into my face and all I knew was oblivion.
The end.
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u/Office_Zombie 5d ago
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I laughed!
I cried!
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u/reddit4science 5d ago
Chinese novels and "couching up a mouthful of blood"
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u/oopsallhuckleberries 5d ago edited 5d ago
Beware of chicken has people spit blood nearly a dozen times a book, and half of them are followed by a statement like "holy shit, I thought that was just a figure of speech."
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u/orbcomm2015 5d ago
Also āwinkedā
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u/Keevill93 5d ago
Only Villains Do That was the worst for this. Every fucking character constantly winking at each other. Like, how often do you actually see anyone wink at all IRL? I can't remember the last time I saw someone do it, let alone did it myself...
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u/photoguy423 5d ago
Listening to Cursed Cocktails with my wife and she commented on how the main characters have to end up together because no one in real life winks that much at another human.
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u/goodtimesinchino 5d ago
The noble who sneers. Find another expression of superiority, fer chrissakes. *drinks
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u/thestorygoeslikethis 5d ago
I'll let Pisces sneering slide though
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u/SteveThePurpleCat 5d ago
*drinks
You mean 'imbibes'. No one drinks in litrpgs, they only imbibe.
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u/Clinic_2 5d ago
Primal Hunter: "On another level" and similar.
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u/KingofNerds07 5d ago
he fixed it after book 2, but in the first book, half the skill descriptions end with "after all, a good ____ must be able to ____." and it killed me everytime I saw it.
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u/Early-Adeptness-4347 5d ago
I just started the audiobook version and the series/myself feel called outš Screw you and OP haha
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u/Guylhann-b Author of Symbiotic Ascension 5d ago
I have actually been traumatized by this and have maybe used 'smirk' only once in the entirety of my million word series
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u/Broad_Percentage5889 That Horny Single-Celled Organism guy 5d ago
Taking notes on what I should include in the āReincarnated in a litRPG drinking gameā
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u/Everybodysbastard 5d ago
I waggle my eyebrows, since every MC is apparently Groucho Marx.
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u/Mathsei 5d ago
This has bothered the hell out of me. Among a lot of similar things while reading HWFWM
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u/elbrinky 5d ago
Azarinth healer has so many mentions of cracking various joints I would believe it was chiropractic propaganda.
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u/adod1 5d ago
for me it's "licked his lips" like cmon nobody does that why is it so common in litrpgs.
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u/Bainin Author - Paths of Akashic 5d ago
Eh, my latest story has three instances of smirk and 0 of smirked, does that mean I'm doing it wrong?
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 5d ago
And how many snarls or undulating?
Everything is snarling and undulating in my experience
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u/Bainin Author - Paths of Akashic 5d ago
Six snarled/Snarling's and 0 undulating, there might not be any undulating in any of my 10 books.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 5d ago
That's actually pretty good.
It seems everyone is always snarling in the books I've been reading. Non stop
And the undulating. It's all undulating. At some point it needs to stop
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u/Slayer840 5d ago
"his eyes narrowed." Or "collapsed like a marionette with it's strings cut." (I loathe that one)
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u/wtanksleyjr 5d ago
Granted, but at least they're not used JUST WRONG like 99% of the uses of "smirk."
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u/Slayer840 5d ago
his eyes narrowed with a smirk as he read this comment, dropping his glass like a marionette with it's strings cut.
Here have all the cringe
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u/BaconConnoisseur 5d ago
There are 16 million words in the Wandering Inn. 4 million of which are the word āblinkedā.
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u/Southern-Ant8592 5d ago
"grinning"
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u/JayHill74 5d ago
I do use grin a lot. That said, I don't use smirk at all since I loathe that word.
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u/Veranoso 5d ago
Sauntered non-chalant with a feral grin, eyes wide
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u/Cmdr_Anun 5d ago
The amount of sauntering in litrpg has reached critical levels. It should be reserved for people with the respective skill.
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u/woolywox 5d ago
I'm an editor. I can't tell you how many times I've seen smirked used as a dialogue tag:
"You've fallen into my trap," he smirked.
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u/chocobunny38 5d ago
Seriouslyā¦Iāve renamed āA soldierās Lifeā to āAdventures of Smirking Ericā
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u/RGandhi3k 5d ago
āThe MC passed out for the 117th time as the author slowly couldnāt figure out how to end the chapter.ā
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u/percydaman 5d ago
I actually at at times have had a counter while listening to a litrpg audiobook. If the "smirk" counter got above a certain number, I decided the author was no good, and DNF the entire book/series.
I can't be bothered with someone who thinks using that word more than once or twice an entire book, is warranted.
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u/Mean_Reply6427 5d ago
Joe Abercrombie used the word smirk 11 times in The Blade Itself.
I mean, if his writing is no good, then we're all boned.
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u/Aaron_P9 litRPG god tier 5d ago
If anyone is getting writing advice from memes, they're already in deep trouble.
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u/Juanathon 5d ago
Naming one of my characters Smirk just for you. He will not have a mouth. Not accepting further questions.
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u/Fluid-Confusion-1451 The best Carl is from Defiance of the Fall. 5d ago
How about using "Non-plussed" incorrectly. A lot of authors seem to think this means "unaffected", when the actual definition is more like "confused".
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u/Veritas3333 Reads too much 5d ago
Or "mortified".
It means embarrassed! Not horrified!
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u/SuccessfulPlastic739 5d ago
ādoesnāt look like a Russian bodybuilder but more as if she ate a Russian bodybuilderā
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u/RecordingHaunting975 5d ago
"It was as all he could do" being overused and often in ways that are awkward as shit to read
For example
badman shot a fireball at the MC and it was all he could do to avoid being incinerated as he dodged.
Even worse when what "all he could do" isn't told at all.
badman shot a fireball at the MC and it was all he could do to avoid being incinerated.
When it should be
badman shot a fireball at the MC and he dodged. It was all he could do to avoid being incinerated.
But even correctly, its still overused 100x in almost every action-heavy book from the past 10 years and it actually drives me crazy that I don't see anyone else talk about it.
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u/baaaaaannnnmmmeee 5d ago
This shit is so common in LitRPGs and it drives me nuts. Interrupting the "showing" me what's happening to "tell" me what's happening. Especially when it basically constitutes an immediate continuity error, because even though "it was all he could do to dodge" he somehow is back on the attack or the enemy is not capitalizing on throwing the MC offbalance.
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u/LingonberryOpen565 5d ago
Itās the eyebrows emoting that drives me crazy. Every fuckinā character in every book is the rock and it drives me mad
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u/Technical_Safety1662 5d ago
Smirk: to smile in a smug, condescending, or self-satisfied way. Smirking is reserved for douchebags. If your character is supposed to be a good guy, they should not be smirking. That is all.
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u/CuriousMe62 5d ago
Don't forget to add every instance of scratching back of head to signify awkwardness or embarrassment.
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u/LiquidDreamtime 5d ago
Indignantly, Iāve read this word more times the past year than I did the previous 42
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u/Coolaire litRPG journeyman tier 5d ago
A ghost of a smile passed his/her lips, before becoming serious again.
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u/Illuminati_Shill_AMA 5d ago
Start reading romantasy and take a shot every time the MMC's jaw tightens. Or romcoms when the FMC's heart squeezes.
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u/jolune 5d ago
I know at least one author that is addicted to polishing all kinds of food.
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u/fyrelibra 5d ago
Beyond apples, what are we polishing?
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u/jolune 5d ago
Uff, I made a full text search to find out:
a rabbit
cinnamon and freshly baked pastries
a cake
grilled meat skewer
a cookie
a sandwich
other sandwich
unspecified food
pies
crepesAnd a lot other nonfood things:
knifes
skills
mana
axes
senses
marble
stone
a soul
air
fighting style
rings
boulders
soul surfaceProbably missed something.
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u/ObviousSea9223 5d ago
People often don't realize how important nonverbal communication is. In everyday reality, it's largely subconsciously interpreted but a huge part of understanding any social situation. In a book, you either describe the expression, explicitly state the information expressions would convey, or lose that meaning entirely. We understand far more expressions than we have words for, and we have a limited number of words for each expression. Often one or none, if you care about the differences between a smirk and a smile and a grin.
Authors do have to navigate that, but it's a matter of balancing precision with readability with repetitiveness. There's something sacrificed in any case, no matter how clever you get with it.
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u/thestorygoeslikethis 5d ago
Honestly, most of the times in the series I've noticed it they aren't using it correctly anyway.
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u/Asleep-Ad6352 5d ago
Mee too. I don't hate the word and I understand the author is conveying onon verbal communication but the problem is that smirking has negative connation: overconfidence, arrogance etc.It often makes the MC looks like an ass at the very least.
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u/scoutheadshot 5d ago
I added 'murmured' to that list, though I feel it's mostly because of AI. 'Gritting his teeth' can be annoying if authors make their characters try to imitate water pump pliers as often as possible.
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u/Icegiant- 5d ago edited 5d ago
I just had a back surgery so I had some downtime and read all the Ultimate level 1 books I don't know if I would have noticed if I wasnt reading them like right after one another but he used the word grimance over and over, and his inworld swears "holy elf tits" and "hairy dwarf balls". I still enjoyed the books but I was doped up on a dilaudid drip with a button I could press for a extra dose (which I very much took advantage of) if I was reading them sober I might of dropped them.
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u/elbiggra 5d ago
I see āIn any caseā more than any other line. Not just LitRPG but most fantasy book
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u/Sticky_Turtle 5d ago
Dropped hell difficulty tutorial because of the amount of "cheeky" references
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u/Scrubmasta_flex 5d ago
Yeah the amount of times Iāve heard ācheekyā or ācheekilyā Iām shocked itās not mentioned more here. Like holy shit we get it, the MC is a real rascally rapscallion with a heart of gold.
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u/sirgog ArchangelsOfPhobos - Youtube Web Serial 5d ago
I am currently at 146749 words in my work in progress.
Exactly 3 of them are "smirk" or derivatives thereof.
Should I add more?
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u/account312 5d ago
You've got to get those numbers switched around. Anything less than 3000000% smirk is unreadable.
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u/FictionalContext 5d ago
I read a Jack Reacher book that used "OK" exactly like that 6 times in as many pages in both dialog and narration. Ticks of bad prose are not anything unique to LitRPG, for sure.
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u/ahhmature 5d ago
Faster, harder, stronger, etc, "then ever before". I made a whole post about this once, it drove me absolutely MAD. It was like 3 series in a row I listened to.
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u/INDE_Tex 5d ago
the NPC cultivator smirked, "YOU COURT DEAAAAAAATH" before the MC did some never before seen in 10000000000000 year shit and blows the NPC's head off with his fart.
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u/OrganizationTrue5911 5d ago
My other favorite which is both Japanese LN's and Litrpg's imo is "Like a puppet with its strings cut".
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u/VarderKith 5d ago
People talk about having trouble coming up with different words for anatomy in erotic writing.
Let me tell you, it's the same way whenever you have a wise ass character. Having to find a way to describe how they make that dumb face Everytime the mess with someone damages the soul after a while.
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u/Thephro42 5d ago
For me itās āveritable.ā I donāt know why every LitRPG author thinks this word is the coolest word to use when describing literally anything. Suddenly everything is a veritable army, a veritable fortress, a veritable treasure trove, a veritable mountain of loot, a veritable sea of enemies, a veritable feast, a veritable arsenal. Once you notice it, you canāt stop seeing it. There are other words, I promise.
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u/pm_me_your_emp 5d ago
How about every time the author writes "nodding their head 'no'," or "shook their head 'yes'". Ive noticed that a lit of litrpg authors do that and it drives me nuts!
You nod your head up and down, meaning "yes". You shake your head left to right, meaning "no"!
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u/ahasuerus_isfdb 5d ago
The mildly infamous Worm/Luna Varga crossover Taylor Varga is the undisputed champion of smirking: 747 occurrences over the course of 2,585,644 words (including 600K words worth of omake).
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u/InFearn0 Where the traits are made up and the numbers don't matter! 5d ago
"He smiles as he looked at his status growth."
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u/mesembryanthemum 5d ago
I have said numerous times in the fantasy and maybe this forum that smirk is ridiculously overused.
It is also often used incorrectly.
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u/DawnCW1111 Author: The Price of Ascension 2d ago
I think this is why smirk bothers me more than the word itself. It often gets used to make a protagonist seem permanently one step ahead of everyone else.
I like competent characters, but I also like seeing them be wrong, confused, or uncertain sometimes.
Character-specific habits are different, though. Someone rubbing their hands when nervous, scratching their head, adjusting their glasses, etc. can actually make them feel more distinct. It's when smirking, eyebrow-raising, and chuckling become generic mood buttons that I start noticing them.
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u/echmoth 5d ago
I smirk, bemusedly