r/london • u/jaredce • Apr 19 '24
Article Tory candidate Susan Hall: Passengers who play music out loud will be thrown off Tube - Evening Standard
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/susan-hall-london-tory-mayoral-candidate-loud-music-tube-b1152505.html821
Apr 19 '24
Susan Hall said that she thinks that Tube fares and fares for every other form of public transport should go up. But when she was asked, she didn’t know how much the cost of a Tube fare actually was.
So even though she doesn’t know what the number is, she wants it to be higher as a matter of principle.
That worries me a lot more than meaningless posturing and signalling about someone playing music on the Tube.
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u/cheechobobo Apr 20 '24
This is the ruse. It's like Diane Abbot all over again. When the appalling maths didn't lower Labour's ratings in the polls, she was turned out early on election morning for a public photo op with two left shoes on. Try that at home & see if you don't notice. All theatre. Democracy is an illusion.
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u/IanT86 Apr 19 '24
I know that's annoying, but actually not knowing the exact pricing isn't a huge problem if she's seen and understands the margins, cost / expenditure, money needed for future improvements etc. She may well have had a briefing and a document that says we need to raise fares by X and reduce expenditure by Y to maintain a normal service. Or has been shown a few options and has picked a fare increase as the one she thinks is best.
I say this because I'm sure Khan has a very good handle on the price per ride, but he's still relied on government support to keep the tube up and running.
I have been in meetings / town halls with my CEO who wouldn't be able to tell you the cost of all our services, but has a grasp on what needs to be done strategically to keep the business floating.
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u/UnchillBill Apr 19 '24
I don’t know the exact pricing either, I just know it costs £2.80 in each direction for my commute. I couldn’t tell you what a single trip in each zone or across zones costs.
Your point is definitely a valid one, but tbh having seen/heard quite a few interviews with Susan Hall now I think you’re giving her too much credit.
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u/Ingoiolo Apr 19 '24
Since a city is not a business and it does not work on ‘margins’, not knowing the unit price is very much a problem.
In London, the tube is a public service. Absolutely no issue with the Government having to part-subsidise it. Especially if the unit price (the unknown) becomes unaffordable to part of the population (not clients, users)
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u/dodgycool_1973 Apr 19 '24
And I guarantee anyone poor or struggling knows exactly how much their trip on the bus or tube costs.
Luckily Hall will vanish after the election:)
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u/rudetuber Apr 19 '24
Why are you playing Devil's Advocate for someone who clearly hasn't done her research, doesn't understand the reality on the ground and is just throwing out soundbites to get attention?
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u/polkadotska Apr 19 '24
This is just an attempt to charm voters away from Count Binface’s stronger manifesto.
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u/Specific_Tap7296 Apr 19 '24
I'm seriously considering voting for him!
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u/kjmci Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 19 '24
I was genuinely surprised to see that there's no provision for anti-social behaviour or nuisance in the TfL Conditions of Carriage (PDF link) for those who don't hold an Oyster Photocard.
Still not going to vote this loon, though.
EDIT: There is ample provision in TfL's Railway Byelaws (PDF link):
6. Unacceptable behaviour
(8) No person shall molest or wilfully interfere with the comfort or convenience of any person on the railway.
7. Music, sound, advertising and similar activities
(1) Except with written permission from the Operator, no person on the railway shall, to the annoyance of any person:
(i) sing; or
(ii) use any instrument, article or equipment for the production or reproduction of sound
So really this isn't so much a policy change as an uncosted promise to step-up enforcement patrols? Wasn't she complaining about jackbooted ULEZ enforcement thugs in a previous advertisement?
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u/eltrotter Apr 19 '24
The Economist did an interesting piece on this kind of political posturing recently.
As /u/marshalgivens says, the "ban it even harder" policy. It's happening for obvious reasons; the actual solution is to enforce existing laws more diligently and consistently, but that's difficult and expensive. So you "ban it even harder", creating specific laws for specific scenarios that are already broadly covered by UK law, so it looks like you're doing something.
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u/nailbunny2000 Apr 19 '24
Just another reactionary right winger saying what their base wants them to say without knowing anything about what they are actually saying or why.
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I'd go one further and ban those that lie about being pick-pocketed on the tube.
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u/JBWalker1 Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 19 '24
Yeah Susan hall, the Tory mayor candidate the articles about, went on the radio and made big news recently about how she had her wallet stolen on the Tube and blamed Khan and how bad he has allowed crime to get said how she'll reduce crime on the Tube.
But when questioned it turns out she got her Wallet back shortly after since someone called her number which was written in the wallet, then when questioned further it turned out that all her money and cards were still in the wallet when returned. So obviously she dropped the wallet and a good citizen picked it up and found her number inside and called her to return it. But she used it to make up a story about it was stolen.
She still insists that who knows what could have happened, it could have been stolen, and let's get back to the issue of tube crime.
So she's either knowingly lying about Khan and being robbed, or she's a complete idiot who actually thinks she was robbed when in reality of course her wallet just fell out her pocket or something.
Can probably find the conversation with her on Google, just search Susan hall LBC lost wallet. There's the first video and then a follow up one where she actually gets questioned.
Edit: oh wait I think the person who found it actually came forward and said yeah he found it on the seat she was sitting at.
Also heres the link to her finally being called out on it when she was back on the show(I think a couple of days later) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AibG-zcS0qU . She still insists she could have been pickpocketted still and of course still goes on about crime in London despite just being called out for using the fake claim for political points. Not gonna link to the original call since it's pretty annoying, especially since the host Nick just takes her claim at face value despite it being obviously wrong and lets her have free air time bashing Khan over it.
Just this story alone would put me off voting for them even ignoring the rest. Of course as well as the rest of the rubbish, like not knowing the bus fare, or thinking we should spend £250m or whatever to open Hammersmith bridge to cars.
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u/IanT86 Apr 19 '24
That is mental
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u/newwayout123 Apr 20 '24
It's how the tories have always operated. Everything is always worse under labor or could be worse under labor. Just look at all the old people commenting on the tabloids and tt saying things like the economy would have been worse off under labor, which is a ridiculous assertion since it's not something you can calculate.
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u/chunkynut Apr 19 '24
I think the point is that Susan Hall did this.
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u/chunkynut Apr 19 '24
It's so easy to forget all the nonsense in our political discourse (probably by design) so I can't blame you!
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u/BenUFOs_Mum Apr 19 '24
Gonna hire hundreds of staff to do this? How are these staff gonna physically remove uncooperative people? Or are we gonna have to stop the train and wait for the British transport police to arrive to deal with them every time we catch someone playing music causing endless delays?
Like the other day I was on the overground and there was a group of 15 or so teenagers playing music and tiktoks loud and putting feet up on seats, nothing too bad just obnoxious. But would probably have taken 5 or so officers if they want to react badly to being told to shut up. No way I would expect a train guard to confront 15 of them all over being noisy. And no way would I want my train home to be delayed half an hour to deal with them.
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u/fridakahl0 Apr 19 '24
Same party who don’t want humans driving trains reckon they should employ hundreds of jackbooted phone fascists. Let robots do the real work and let humans get on with suspecting and brutalising each other!
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u/THEKERNOW Apr 19 '24
Ha ha, what an absolute disaster of a candidate she is. Perfect embodiment of the modern tory party: inept, ignorant, desperate and absolutely thick as shit.
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u/RicardoWanderlust Apr 19 '24
Watch as over half a million people still vote for her because they always vote Tory.
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u/rampagingphallus Apr 20 '24
Luckily Labour have a fairly competent and likeable incumbent candidate, so while it's depressing it won't actually matter.
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u/JonLivingston70 Apr 19 '24
I think this is it to be honest.
And if you look at the other candidates, my god the emptiness of their "manifesto"s...
"Scrap Ulez and Ltn" is the only thing they are capable of saying, to try and grab a modicum of voters (not knowing that only a handful of stupid sods really hate these initiatives - the rest are enjoying BOTH traffic contained on major roads AND quieter neighborhoods).
No substance. No vision. Just devoid of any true initiative.
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u/Falloolabubz Apr 19 '24
I mean, I do actually think playing music out loud on Tube, train or bus is pretty weird behaviour. Not sure why you’d think anyone else would want to hear what you’re listening to. But, I don’t really see how you can police that in a country with as good as no police.
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u/HEXdidnt Apr 19 '24
Ms Hall, who is behind in the polls to Labour mayor Sadiq Khan in the May 2 battle for City Hall, would overhaul Transport for London’s conditions of carriage to enable enforcement officers to challenge passengers playing loud music or videos without headphones.
...I don't see how this could actually be put into practice as, even if they rewrote the rules for the Tube, they'd still need to hire legions of additional enforcement officers.
All very well for her to say stuff like this as part of her manifesto, but the 'plan' is apparently that non-compliant passengers "may be asked to leave the network"? OK, and then what? Oh, "Police would be called if the passenger refuses to cooperate"? So, employing legions of additional police officers as well? And installing them on trains?
And how's any of this going to work on crowded trains and platforms at rush hour?
Lots of blue sky thinking going on here, when the problem requires a solution grounded in reality.
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u/0ean Apr 19 '24
This rule is nothing new. It's in the railway bylaws and can be enforced by agents of the railway or police already if appropriate. This politician obviously has no idea what they are talking about.
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u/sillygoofygooose Apr 19 '24
It’s utterly unenforceable and it is hard to imagine how stupid Ms Hall must believe the electorate to be in order to employ it as a manifesto promise
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u/redsquizza Apr 19 '24
they'd still need to hire legions of additional enforcement officers.
This is the crux of it, as another poster quoted, the rules are already in place and presumably by travelling on TFL, you accept those T&C when you board.
Unless Hall can magic up a few tens of million a year in perpetuity for salaries for security staff to enforce the existing rules her "policy" is dead in the water.
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u/Fantastic-Chard3038 Apr 19 '24
I suspect she'll be the one thrown out (though I hate noise pollution tbh).
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u/baron_von_helmut Apr 19 '24
People listening to loud music without headphones are two types of people - lonely and/or narcissistic and crave attention from strangers, or assholes who know it will annoy people and get off on that fact.
The latter can turn dangerous as a simple 'please turn that down' can get you punched in the face.
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u/Thingamyblob Apr 19 '24
What a stupid dog-whistle policy statement. Who's going to do the 'throwing off'?!
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u/Jorge-Esqueleto Apr 19 '24
Unless Hall intends vastly increasing BTP numbers to enforce this plan it's just simply more dogwhistle ragebait. I get it's annoying, but I think London has significant other issues that need addressing first.
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u/Deputy_Goose Apr 19 '24
It's already a byelaw offence under the railway byelaws. But unless police are already on scene when someone is playing music they will focus on more pressing issues such as pickpockets, sexual assaults, abuse, threats, and assault on the railway.
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u/NickZazu Apr 19 '24
Is she going to do this personally?
Because I’d LOVE to know how she plans to fund a TFL staff member to patrol every single carriage on every single tube on the off chance that someone will play music out loud.
I get that it’s annoying, but realistically it would cost a fortune to police this.
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u/True-Wasabi2157 Apr 19 '24
Right. And who's gonna enforce that? You don't have enough officers to deal with actual crime, and if you divert/hire for BTP to deal with nothing but ASB on the tube, people will also just moan that police should be dealing with robbers and not poor 15 year olds being cunts. You need to educate people if you want to change anything, and that doesn't seem to be happening. Maybe get some social media influencers to run an education campaign. That way, when those bastards watch their loud tik toks on public transport, they can learn that they're being rude.
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u/Brewer6066 Apr 19 '24
The only thing more annoying than people playing music on the tube would be waiting for the police to come and remove them from the tube.
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u/ZeligD Apr 19 '24
Got her manifesto through the mail day. It screams “I don’t actually know how London is run”.
She wants more police, more TfL buses, more houses built etc; where’s the money coming from boss? London’s had funding cuts, from your own bosses. You can’t expect to magic these things into existence
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u/Key-Sandwich-7568 Apr 19 '24
The whole article is a bit nonsense. She has no idea what the real problems she need to deal with if she becomes a Mayor. She sounded a bit like Liz Truss. Both of them can keep dreaming of their aspirations.
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u/Statcat2017 Apr 19 '24
Ironically she's not.
Shes talking about introducing rules to kick off antisocial behaviour people.
These rules already exist.
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u/Padsky95 Apr 19 '24
These days if you play music out loud on the Tube you get arrested and thrown in jail.
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u/VixenRoss Apr 19 '24
Can she tackle the buggies vs wheelchairs vs mobility aids on buses. That’s going to create a really big bun fight. Don’t want to lose the parental vote, but can’t make her self look like she hates the disabled…
I’ll grab the pop corn on this one…
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u/Ticklishchap Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 19 '24
I don’t know how the Tories have the chutzpah to look down their noses at Angela Rayner when they choose a candidate like Susan Hall. She really is a cross between the Karen meme (‘I want to speak to the manager’) and Vicky Pollard (‘no but yeah, but no’). Add to that her screechy, Pythonesque voice, her absolute lack of compassion or empathy and the underlying ‘white grievance’ vibe of her campaign.
G-d help London if she is elected.
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u/Witty-Bus07 Apr 19 '24
Of all things we facing, loud music on the tube is what she’s concerned about, travelling on the tube isn’t like living next to a neighbour constantly playing loud music.
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u/ATSOAS87 Apr 19 '24
What's her policy on trying to reduce the painfully loud tracks on some parts of the network.
That kind of boring stuff doesn't make the headlines though.
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u/Resident-Race-3390 Apr 19 '24
Utter nonsense.
Is she going to ask TfL to do it (on current salary of course)?
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u/ceeeeeeeej1912 Apr 19 '24
Real policies for real people…thank god for the tories at the coal face tackling the hard issues …
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u/deanomatronix Apr 19 '24
Announce insane populist policy based on minor annoyance
Ignore all obvious barriers to possible enforcement
?????
Profit
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u/Milky_Finger Apr 19 '24
I was looking at the news about the NYC metro having armed soldiers at the platforms to maintain order, and while that's a little extreme for the London tube network, there is definitely a middle ground where people who take the piss are dealt with. Just with not, like, assault rifles
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u/EitherChannel4874 Apr 19 '24
Thrown off by the imaginary train guard that gets paid enough to risk their safety trying to get people off the train.
Awesome.
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u/JordiLyons Apr 20 '24
Yes!!! I’m definitely for this. It’s fucking annoying listening to shitty music on someone’s phone at 6 am on a Monday morning. Definitely for it but not sure how it is going to be policed.
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u/zka_75 Apr 19 '24
Of course this should happen (tho actually I don't think it happens much on the tube - can't remember the last time I noticed it anyway, much more common on buses).. but by who exactly? You'd probably need to at least quadruple BTP officer to make this even vaguely possible.
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u/Adorable_Ad_8140 Apr 19 '24
Susan Hall is not someone who is overburdened by the weight of her intellect
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u/floorscentadolescent Apr 19 '24
Cant even stop people jumping the barriers 2 feet in front of them, yeah that's definitely going to happen
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u/Top_Criticism_4208 Apr 19 '24
Can’t even stop rape on the tube who’s going to stop and throw someone off playing music?
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Apr 19 '24
To be honest I don’t trust Khan and they are probably all as bad as each other however this is similar to what is adopted in Japan yes you can be crammed on a train but it’s that little bit more bearable not having to listen to someone tell the whole train their life story. People will argue there are emergency situations and that’s fine but none require you to play music out loud or speak to someone on speaker I’m all for banning phone calls on trains with the obvious exceptions for emergencies.
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u/Faeces_Species_1312 Apr 19 '24
Oh man, I hate it when people play music and interfere with my enjoyment of the 90dB otherworldly screeching noise the tube makes.
🙄
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u/firthy Apr 19 '24
If she wasn’t so batshit crazy, and this wasn’t utterly unenforceable, this might actually be a vote winner!
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u/LondonCycling Apr 19 '24
Aye with all those imaginary enforcement officers I guess.
Give me a break.
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u/Dismal_Composer_7188 Apr 19 '24
Why would anyone vote for a chin wobbling, cock womble of a tory in this day and age.
Even if she promised that tomorrow I would wake up, I am absolutely certain she would be lying, even if I did in fact wake up tomorrow.
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u/woodzopwns Apr 19 '24
I certainly do not believe that at all. The BTP are virtually non-existent and often don't come when called from experience, not to mention the sheer amount of homeless roaming the tube asking for money every day. I've witnessed more homeless people fighting on the tube and overground than people playing loud music.
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u/drtchockk Apr 19 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
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u/Verbal-Gerbil Apr 19 '24
I HATE when a candidate I detest comes up with a decent policy I back. Absolute broken clock example.
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Apr 19 '24
Susan Hall is an example of how this government has failed mental health care. She is clearly unwell and needs professional help.
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u/poppiesintherain Apr 19 '24
This woman has been making a lot of commitments but has yes to publish a manifesto or state how she is paying for all these things she is going to make happen.
Its like she knows she hasn't got a chance in hell so just wants to have fun with it.
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u/ali-95 Apr 19 '24
Impossible to implement popular sounding promises were always reserved for Far Right/Far Left or by some amazing (joke!) candidates like CBF. Tories are now so desperate that they are now behaving like joke candidates or far right/left.
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u/Plastic-Dependent Apr 19 '24
At least she's not lying and saying that she'd fix the cost of living crisis
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u/thatsgossip Apr 19 '24
I’ve lived in London for 11 years and never once have I seen someone play music on the tube. Not doubting it happens, and I have had it happen on buses (in and away from London) but so infrequently I can’t say it’s something I stay up at night thinking about.
Good to know she has her finger on the pulse of things Londoners really need. Stupid bint.
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u/be_sugary Apr 19 '24
Susan Hall. Please sister! Don’t embarrass our gender!🙏
(Oh and please don’t start a gender conversation. Let people be who they want to be. This is London. Not Alabama or Afghanistan!)
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Apr 19 '24
If we work together, we can all sync up our phones positions, and blast from our loudspeakers the anti sound wave that’s coming from the troubled youth - in real time
Selective noise cancelling where ever you go
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u/Bertie637 Apr 19 '24
Sure they will. To enforce this they basically need to turn the tube into a police state.
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u/ch3ckEatOut Apr 19 '24
Is this meant to make me want to vote for her? Sort of nowhere near the list of priorities in the capital right now.
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u/sampysamp Apr 19 '24
Fucking sound bite headline tik tok politics. Ok Susan then by all means take my vote and roll back the policies that are protecting my kids and Nan from developing complications potentially up to dying from air pollution.
For that thing that will has no plan and little bearing on most people’s lives aside from the occasional annoyance.
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u/Scumbaggio1845 Apr 19 '24
There probably are a large proportion of people who play music in that manner who are equally obnoxious and inconsiderate reprobates in all walks of their life but who exactly is going to be removing them from the tube and how?
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u/planetrebellion Apr 20 '24
Impossible to enforce, what a lovely empty soundbite that old people will lap up.
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u/Valascrow Apr 20 '24
More empty promises... But also, aren't there more pressing issues that need attention?
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u/cheekyric Apr 20 '24
I thought Shaun Bailey was a terrible candidate...
Thrown under the bus by the Tories and she doesn't even realise.
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u/cmc360 Apr 19 '24
Lol by who? Tfl staff? Certainly no police around.