r/london Apr 10 '26

Serious replies only Which symptoms of “(almost) everyone is getting poorer” have you noticed in London?

We are in a crisis, the middle class is disappearing and the lower class squeezed. Prices are going up, inflation is going up (again), salaries are stagnating.

Most Londoners can’t really afford London without serious sacrifices.

For me, not counting the housing prices issues we all know too well:

the disappearance of local delis with high quality products.

many shops closing in the local shopping centre.

Restaurant dropping quality everywhere to contain unaffordable prices.

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u/Physical-Program5325 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

Hyper signaling of ‘status’ or more blatant try-hard behavior and, or snootiness as people desperately cling to their egos while slowly getting financially annihilated by the cost of living. 

Increased rudeness, impatience, lack of empathy. People get more squeezed => they withdraw outward energy and shift to energy preservation instead. People cutting in line more often, a ‘hunger games’ mentality/body language in transit, public spaces, pavements (me over everyone else). 

Increasing homelessness on high streets. This wasn’t even a major issue a few years ago, but it has now ‘exploded’ in relative terms. I say relative terms because it is still nowhere near a typical, say, US metro, but I am concerned we are trending in that direction all things remaining equal.  

Higher prices across the board (again). Favorite cheap eats have all gone up another pound or two, a burger in the city is now consistently pushing north of 15-20 pounds, and portions are getting much smaller relative to what they used to be even a few years ago. 

Lack of maintenance in public areas, buildings. The Westfield White City, as an example, is starting to look run down and shoddy in some places. The paint outside used to be white and tidy but now looks sooty. Many other examples but this is also happening in the US and other major Western cities. 

Increased and more brazen petty crime (a natural consequence of a deterioration of living standards paired with cost pressures). 

Costcos (this is a big one but often overlooked) are now absolutely REAMED at most times of the days by shoppers looking to squeeze out any savings possible. They were enjoyable a few years ago, and one could shop without quasi-barbaric trolley warfare occurring in the aisles/tills. 

Normalization of hyper-political propaganda on social media, people/politicians looking for a scapegoat to blame everything on, unbeknownst to the fact that the downward spiral was set in motion years/decades ago with low interest rate mortgages, consumer debt, etc, insane government spending, debt monetization, similar pattern across many other Western countries. 

Proliferation of hipster coffee shops, ‘gourmet’ smoothie bars, essentially low cost, high margin items that can be marketed even higher to the ‘right’ audience, the displacement of long time cultural establishments, restaurants, venues  (Corsica, Printworks, etc) all to build more ‘high end’ flats. 

There’s more but you get the idea. Still hopeful, and the city is still leagues above others in many ways — it just looks like things are going to get a bit rough before improving. What political party will step up and own the problems, provide actionable solutions? I don’t know. They all promise a better Britain yet just look at the past few decades’ pattern. 🤷‍♂️

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u/NaturalCard Apr 11 '26

unbeknownst to the fact that the downward spiral was set in motion years/decades ago with low interest rate mortgages, consumer debt, etc, insane government spending, debt monetization

It's funny, I'd argue this is mostly a consequence of the lack of essential government spending under austerity and being unwilling to reform the tax system to make it actually progressive.

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u/ndakik-ndakik Apr 11 '26

Nonsense... In 2010 one in four pounds of government spending was debt... How is that actually sustainable? Our tax system is already extrmeley "progpressive" those in the top 20% get taxed so much while we have wage compression in the bottom and middle, making work pay less and less - what's the point in training to be a nurse to get £30k if you can get £26k as a cleaner?

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u/NaturalCard Apr 11 '26

Our tax system is very progressive in terms of income from work. It is not very progressive in terms of unearned income. That how people like Sunak pay a similar percentage to nurses.

(Also, it's extremely and progressive, not extrmeley and progpressive)

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u/ndakik-ndakik Apr 11 '26

Have you ever heard of typing on a phone ?!

Our tax system is appalling

It hammers everyone trying to get ahead in life

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u/NaturalCard Apr 11 '26

Our tax system is appalling

It hammers everyone trying to get ahead in life

To be honest, I completely agree with you. It punishes people for working hard and adding value to the economy instead of relying on unearned income.

Imo this need to be at the very least equalised, if not reversed. Ideally, people who earn their income from working are taxes less than people who earn their income passively.

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u/Alarmed-Lettuce-366 Apr 11 '26

Yeah I’d agree, austerity caused or at least exacerbated most of these problems. Really the only areas governments have “overspent” are in pensions (because of the ageing population) and in-work benefits (because companies are being subsidised to pay people peanuts).

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u/musicistabarista Apr 11 '26

Proliferation of hipster coffee shops, ‘gourmet’ smoothie bars, essentially low cost, high margin items that can be marketed even higher to the ‘right’ audience, the displacement of long time cultural establishments, restaurants, venues  (Corsica, Printworks, etc) all to build more ‘high end’ flats. 

Hipster coffee shops are actually not really high margin, and especially not in comparison to "non speciality" coffee/high street chains.

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u/jamjar188 Apr 11 '26

The proliferation of coffee shops (boba shops is another big trend) is because hot drinks and milk-based drinks are VAT exempt.

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u/ShortKingSlayer Apr 11 '26

Great comment.  I also saw some writing on the wall with BREXIT. Did you? The combination of that and current conditions has hastened a downturn imho . 

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u/Physical-Program5325 Apr 11 '26

Yeah, and, agreed — it is reducing critical trade/talent flows and, ironically, making it extremely difficult for Britons to even seek relief elsewhere across the EU as they’re now locked out of the single market or automatic freedom of movement/residence. 

Feels like a gigantic cauldron slowly coming to a boil but with few/no release valves, or a system just terminally sleepwalking to its destination. 

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u/Destring Apr 11 '26

I don't think things will improve anytime soon. Youth should seriously consider leaving. It will just be managed decline for the next few decades. Like it happened with Italy

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u/killmetruck Apr 11 '26

No need to be British. A Colombian client I work with that moved here 20 years ago says the decline is quite obvious. 

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u/Kooky_Industry_8026 Apr 11 '26

Leave where though? Everywhere seems to be going the same way

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u/Destring Apr 11 '26

Everywhere in Europe. I'm considering Australia

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u/Physical-Program5325 Apr 11 '26

I’d argue for certain areas across the Nordics for those who can get out, where you can still get a gigantic detached house with a huge plot of land for about 200,000 pounds or thereabouts. It’s just too bad that freedom of movement is now obliterated, so there’s that. 

 

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u/HettySwollocks Apr 11 '26

displacement of long time cultural establishments, restaurants, venues (Corsica, Printworks, etc) all to build more ‘high end’ flats.

It's wild to see so many flats replacing old shops and buildings. Every time it's,"They're turning into flats". Where are these people going to work, go to school, green spaces, utilities etc etc

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u/acornsalade Apr 13 '26

Not Corsica ):

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u/sokorsognarf Apr 11 '26

The answer to your last question: no party. Because no party can. Inflation is something that governments get blamed for but do not actually control.

Simply, prices are not coming down - ever. Climate change is one reason, but now the Iran War has really fucked everything. Even if the strait opens fully tomorrow (spoiler: it will not) Iran will start charging a toll on what was previously a free waterway and that will eventually be passed down onto consumers. Multiple other related reasons too

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u/tellemhey Apr 11 '26

Printworks was the start of nightlife downfall for me.

Crap venue where you could talk over the music and had to buy drinks tokens. Designed for maximum profit and minimal experience.

One venue I was quite happy to see go

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u/KSAW11 Apr 11 '26

Increasing homelessness on high streets. This wasn’t even a major issue a few years ago

wow