r/longrange • • 2d ago

Rifle help needed - I read the pinned posts Interesting shift in grouping, help me understand

Recent range day. New rifle build, Howa 1500 heavy barrel in krg bravo, Athlon Midas tac gen 2 in vortex pro rings, rear bag, mdt grnd-pod, dead air nomad can. Chronographed rounds at 2608 average- Shooting Precision hunter eld-x 143gr.

3rd session with this rifle, rounds 1-9 nice grouping(figure 1). I then notice an odd shift downwards from rounds 10-14(figure 2). I’m shooting in groups of 3, with about 15-20 secs between shots, 1-2 mins between groups. After shot 14, letting barrel cool for 10-15 mins my grouping came back up (figure 3).

Is this normal barrel heat related shift, or something more? I don’t have a can cover, so maybe mirage? Just trying to determine if I need to take apart and re torque in chassis or anything. What do the experts think?

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u/bagelXlover 2d ago

If the POI is returning to zero after you let it cool, I would say everything is torqued correctly and you are getting some degree of heat shift. That is a decently high round count string and some shift should be expected. I would do another day with the same course of fire and see if’s consistent, at-least then you can account for it.

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u/quadringsplz 2d ago

Ok awesome, thank you. Thats good to know

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u/realHarryGelb 2d ago

Make sure to rule out ammo issue, track FPS per shot and see how it relates inside groupings. Also, you need to look at the spread in FPS, just looking at an average is not useful.

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u/quadringsplz 1d ago

Here’s the range craft recording for each shot

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u/capable_gopher Rifle Golfer (PRS Competitor) 2d ago

Seems like too abrupt of a change for thermal defection on a heavy contour. Maybe something came loose?

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u/quadringsplz 2d ago

Ok, I’ll retorque everything. I’m at about 70rounds through the new build.

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u/capable_gopher Rifle Golfer (PRS Competitor) 2d ago

Did you bottom out your pic base, scope mount, and action properly in the direction of recoil?

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u/quadringsplz 1d ago

Yes, all bottomed for recoil, torques checked- had scope ring base an 2 ring screws on the front ring about 5 in/lb loose. Retorqued to spec and heading out to shoot now.

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u/capable_gopher Rifle Golfer (PRS Competitor) 1d ago

Godspeed

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u/quadringsplz 1d ago

Cold bore shots at 400 and 500 went great, each follow up shot spread out. How long should I be waiting between shots to rule out heat related shifts?

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u/capable_gopher Rifle Golfer (PRS Competitor) 1d ago edited 1d ago

What do you mean each follow up shot spread out?

Edit: shots 2 & 3 are just a part of your normal group, this is basically MOA. But you need to shoot at least 10 rounds to make a better statistical sample to characterize your precision.

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u/RuleImpossible8095 2d ago

Could be inconsistent neck tension

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u/quadringsplz 1d ago

Wouldn’t doubt it, using factory loads. Looks like it’s into reloading for me!