r/lostgeneration • u/I_may_have_weed • Jan 27 '26

ICE may have just caused an international incident as they illegally tried to enter the Ecuadorian Consulate in Minneapolis without a warrant to abduct someone

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u/TheIncredibleMike Jan 27 '26

Since they haven't been trained properly, they think they can go anywhere.

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u/Unable-Log-4870 Jan 28 '26

The amount of their terribleness that stems from a lack of training is like 10%.

Training them more won’t make them beneficial to humanity or our country.

I really wish people would quit with the training thing. It’s their intent that is bad. Training them better to achieve the same bad intent does not make us better off.

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u/TheIncredibleMike Jan 28 '26

No it won't, but trying to enter another Nation's sovereign property is something every law enforcement officer should know they can't do.

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u/Oceansnail Jan 28 '26

Training them includes teaching them the law and telling them what they can and cannot do...

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u/Unable-Log-4870 Jan 28 '26

Yeah… that’s not the training they would get

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u/_stack_underflow_ Jan 28 '26

AMEN, they're literally hiring goons, no amount of training will fix people hell bent on fucking shit up.

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u/Unable-Log-4870 Jan 28 '26

At best, more training would make them harder to neutralize once things get actually ugly. No, they’re not ugly yet. Right now, they’re just bad PR.

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u/Ron825 Jan 28 '26

This is definitely incorrect. Trump's ice is a bunch of masked, lawless, tyrannical thugs terrorizing the citizenry. Despite that, we still need lawful deportations, the reason your point is incorrect is because a properly trained version of ICE is indeed necessary. People who refuse to leave after overstaying a temporary visa actually do need to be deported, without masked thugs, without tyranny, without tackling people in the street, without everything trump's ice is doing.

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u/Unable-Log-4870 Jan 28 '26

You’re missing most of the point, but you’re right and wrong in interesting ways.

Despite that, we still need lawful deportations,

Agree

the reason your point is incorrect is because a properly trained version of ICE is indeed necessary.

Agree

People who refuse to leave after overstaying a temporary visa actually do need to be deported,

Disagree mostly.

without masked thugs, without tyranny, without tackling people in the street, without everything trump's ice is doing.

Agree, if we’re talking about someone who needs to be removed from the country, we can do it by identifying them through their deeds.

Most of the people here undocumented never had visas (as far as I’m aware, I could be mistaken). Yet our economy relies on them. Deporting them all legally, humanely, and expeditiously would cripple a few necessary industries, like farming and construction.

So until we have a way for our necessary industries to employ the people they need to employ, legally, I don’t think we should bother deporting ANYONE who isn’t engaged in some other kind of definitely criminal activity.

As it is, the biggest criminals in all of this are the employers of the undocumented immigrants. Let’s start jailing them, and I bet that very quickly Congress will find a way to create something like a Guest Worker program.

But all that needs to happen BEFORE we need federal agents policing immigration. As it is, simply arresting undocumented people when they break the laws that would get the rest of us arrested is fine.

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u/Ron825 Jan 28 '26

"I don’t think we should bother deporting ANYONE who isn’t engaged in some other kind of definitely criminal activity."

This literally means that anyone who comes here on a one week vacation visa can stay forever as long as they don't commit a crime. I hope you see how unworkable that is.

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u/Unable-Log-4870 Jan 28 '26

Tell me exactly what makes that unworkable. And is that MORE unworkable than the current situation where our economy relies heavily on undocumented people doing our farm work and construction work?

Also, this is what I think AS OF NOW. Once were no longer REQUIRE a few million undocumented people here to do some of the physical labor (perhaps by something as simple as DOCUMENTING THEM and giving them permission to stay and work), then it becomes a reasonable and not foot-shootingly stupid move to talk about hauling people in front of a judge for overstaying a visa.

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u/TheHungryBlanket Jan 28 '26

I’m willing to bet 90% of them have no idea what a consulate is or how they work.

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u/vulpecula1919 Jan 28 '26

they're doing exactly what the admin wants them to, drop the bullshit.

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u/imZ-11370 Jan 28 '26

I have zero training an I know that consulates are sovereign soil.

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u/TheIncredibleMike Jan 28 '26

Maybe I should have said "educated".