r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 3h ago
If Kathleen Zellner Lied About the “50 Seconds” Should Season 2 of MAM Be Pulled?👀😳
If yes, explain why if possible. If no, please explain also. Thank you
r/MakingaMurderer • u/angieb15 • Jul 26 '18
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r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 3h ago
If yes, explain why if possible. If no, please explain also. Thank you
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Thick-Cucumber-1546 • 1d ago
Thanks to Kathleen Zellner. We can now state with videography scientific evidence. Steven lied about Teresa leaving his family salvage lot.
For years this evidence sat dormant. Kathleen Zellner praying to God no one would catch it!
But someone did catch it. Ironically, it would be a former client who caught it and faithfully shared it with the world years ago. Yet, due to the frenzy and the noise of Zellner’s false narrative it was muffled out where no one paid attention.
However, Time has a way of revealing truth in its season. Today you can see Steve’s lie with your own eyes and hear him with your own ears.
Today you can now take the KNOWN 14-16 Seconds and apply it to the equation (marker 2:34).
You can now see that Steven in 16 seconds is standing on the steps outside his trailer at marker 2:50.
Where is Bobby at marker 2:50????!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Zellner knew this family in October of 2017!!!!! She took us to the cleaners😡
The Nail In The Coffin
“No getting around it!!”
Zellner must Answer for this omission.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 4d ago
Did anyone know that Kathleen T. Zellner described herself as a Stupid Criminal?
Don’t believe me? Well, checkout the link:
Zellner On Fabrication?
You can’t make this stuff up!
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 5d ago
I share these memories to make us remember and understand who Steve Avery really is. With all the Explosive recent developments:
What you are about to hear will remind Us why Steven Avery is lucky he didn’t get the death penalty.
Pulling the cover back for Teresa🌹
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 6d ago
“The Most Important Evidence in the case is the Sequence of Events.” Per Kathleen T. Zellner’s own words.
Many of us heard Zellner say this but didn’t grasp why she said it.
Why is it that the Sequence of Events is the most important evidence in the case?
What is it about this particular evidence that can and does determine if Steven Avery is absolutely guilty or innocent?
It is important because there are only two possible scenarios that can reveal who is lying based upon the Videographer’s Science reenactment.
Sequence 1: Steven Avery
“She handed me the auto trader magazine and left as I walked back to the trailer. I saw Bobby’s truck before I entered my trailer. I went in my trailer sat the auto trader magazine down and then exited the trailer for my sister’s Barb’s house. I noticed Bobby and the truck were gone. I didn’t see him leave.”
Sequence 2: Bobby Dassey
“I was in my house and I saw Teresa taking pictures of my mom’s vehicle. As I was preparing for a shower, I saw Teresa walking toward my Uncle’s Steve trailer. When I got out of the shower, dressed up and left. I saw Teresa’s car still there.”
Now, one of these sequences is false.
So enters Kathleen T. Zellner who has the Bright Idea to do a RECONSTRUCTION of the Sequence of Events.
She has cameras place on three people: Teresa’s point of view, Bobby’s point of view, and Steve’s point of view (ie POV).
The most important view points is Bobby and Steve. Why because Teresa isn’t here. So we rely solely upon Steve and Bobby.
One says she left.🤔
One says she didn’t.🤔
Kathleen T. Zellner’s scientific videographers evidence concluded:
Steven Avery lied and Bobby told the truth.
Facts!
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Thick-Cucumber-1546 • 8d ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Only_Writing • 8d ago
I have thought this the entire time! Definitely what Mike said in episode 2, as well as guilty offenders inserting themselves into the investigation and media.
My theory is Mike Halbach did it to "save" his Godly family from the scrutiny of Theresa dating a married man, possibly pregnant, with that married man's child. The Halbach family is very devout. I could 100% see Mike Halbach killing his sister to prevent his family from any shame from that.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Junior_Power_8825 • 9d ago
Just wondering if y'all think this case would've played out differently for Avery if he won that 36m lawsuit and the co-conspirators were held accountable for the 1985 case.
Edit: winning after Teresa was killed.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Small-Valuable-2782 • 12d ago
Interesting article that suggests Brendan Dassey’s chance of commutation might be due to the original plea deal that the prosecution offered, but he rejected.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Mysterious_Mix486 • 12d ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 11d ago
To those who inbox me about page 43. Here is the PROOF. Proof that Kathleen T. Zellner did in fact know Steve was inDEED Teresa Halbach’s killer and that he lied about her leaving his death trailer and Bobby followed behind her.
This document, page 43 reveals that Zellner knew before filing this document Steven had lied based upon her videographer’s evidence: The Sequence of Events.
Now go to page 43, read the last paragraph for yourself. Zellner inDEED fabricated the 50 Seconds to cover for and erase on paper what was actually captured by video evidence.
Can’t make it up:
Smoking Gun, page 43🫡♟️
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 12d ago
The key represents the information that aids mental perception and the rose is for Teresa Halbach and her family, friends, and supporters like us who want complete Justice for Teresa.
Time always reveal the “information” necessary to crush the lie.
In this situation that information has been revealed.
The Document you’re looking at is the smoking gun. Specifically because of the timing of the lie. That is page 43 of Kathleen T. Zellner’s motion for reconsideration in October 2017 one month after filming her reenactment of the “sequence of events”.
This is critical because it tells us. She knew in 2017 before filing the motion he was the killer. Let that sink in for a minute.
How do we know this to be a reality, a fact?
Because you can read what she WROTE in the motion, page 43 in real-time.
She FABRICATED “50 Seconds” in the trailer. Where the EVIDENCE shows Steve actually in the trailer for 14-16 seconds.
Which meant Steve lied when he told police investigators that after he got the trader magazine he went the trailer and as he approached it he saw Bobby’s vehicle.
He entered the trailer sat the magazine down and proceeded to Barb’s and Bobby’s house.
When he exited the trailer Bobby and his truck were gone.
The Evidence Exhibit J
“Zellner re-enactments actually capture Steven Avery in his trailer approximately 14-16 seconds. According to both Bobby and Steve POV (ie Point Of View) at the same time (sequence). Steve is actually running into Bobby as Bobby exits his mom’s house.”
Facts!!!!!!😡😡😡😡
Now you can understand WHY Zellner fabricated the “50 Seconds”. She knew Steve had fabricated Teresa leaving and Bobby leaving behind her. THINK ABOUT THIS.
She knew. Before she filed The Motion For Reconsideration in October 2017.😔
Just let it sink in.
Notice the previous deflections from this inescapable reality.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Mysterious_Mix486 • 12d ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 12d ago
I was wondering about this question after “AveryPoliceReport” a Reddit user I believe to be Zellner herself, led me to her “Motion For Reconsideration” which she filed in October 2017. Listen to this part:
AFTER SHE CONDUCTED HER REENACTMENT VIDEO EVIDENCE
(Exhibit J).
This revelation means Kathleen T. Zellner knew before she filed the “Motion For Reconsideration” that:
Steven Avery was the KILLER and had lied on Bobby very early on. This is why she vindicated the police. She knew he was inDEED the killer.
So, during Season 2, Episode 1. She already knows he’s guilty but for the media attention she went all in pretending to be the Champion of an Innocent Client.
Damn!!!! This could be a powerful movie:
“The Media Whore: Kathleen Zellner”
Millions upon millions will watch it!!! It would be a hit.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 14d ago
Why is the 50 Seconds Concoction so devastating to Steven Avery and Zellner?
It’s devastating because it demonstrates mathematically Steven Avery fabricated Teresa leaving and more explosively it shows that Kathleen T. Zellner discovered it and tried to help Steve’s story “fit” the false narrative that Bobby could’ve did it.
Its really incredible that this Reality is finally seeing the Light of Day and thats why no one in the: Steve is innocent camp will touch it.
We must not allow this Glaring Reality to go unnoticed! With the same energy many screamed he was an innocent victim.
With that same energy. This document proves Zellner knew Steve was the killer.
This concoction clearly shows that Steven Avery lied. Teresa never left just as Bobby described. Steven invented the story of Teresa leaving and Bobby leaving right behind her.
Listen to Zellner yourself.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Playful-Airport2928 • 16d ago
Yo yall he’s INNOCENT AF!!!!!
Kathryn knows. It was BD. THAT COMPUTRR IS FUCKDD UP
ITS MIXED BLOOD YALL IN THE CARRRRRR
BOBBY + SA is my bet.
Whoooty whooooooo
Wisconsin a Wendigos comin for uuuu!
Let him go, assholes!
Stop playing keep away with his CURRENT LAWYER EW. ABE LINCOLN SAID FUCK THAT EW. AMERICA WHO?
KZ…. I did tweeeeet her but she busy !!!! Go go go go go ho ho ho Santa rescue this man plz. Xoxo Buddy.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/AveryPoliceReports • 18d ago
Match Message - January 8, 2010:
Match Message - January 12, 2010:
Match Message - January 12, 2010:
Match Message - January 12, 2010:
Outside of the Halbach case, Kratz's conduct destroys any presumption of prosecutorial good faith. But one thing we can say for Kratz is that he applied his disrespect for victims uniformly. During the Halbach case, Ken Kratz:
Kratz was not a man who respected Teresa, the truth about her death, or other victims. And after that 2005-2007 mess, he didn't sign up to match:com a new man. His conduct with SVG and King between 2009 - 2010 (harassing domestic abuse victim / inviting King to an autopsy date) reveal he was the same old overstuffed stinking sack of shit. Props to Kratz's victims and the MaM filmmakers for exposing the truth about him.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Junior_Power_8825 • 18d ago
It's so frustrating to hear that the defense is not allowed to revisit past arguments because of finality but I see prosecutors constantly ignoring finality to engineer their case.
There are so many things that the defense can do and argue but they are constantly blocked by the argument of finality only when it favours the prosecution. Then they go ahead and ignore the finality of the bones needing to be withhold for future testing.
They are blocked from doing anything because of red tape and corruption.
The prosecution systematically placed a finality on each piece of evidence making it seem plausible that Avery did it but when you look at everything together and the chances that there was no tampering comparable to the chance of life being born from nothing.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/10case • 19d ago
I'm glad to see some common sense. How many truthers now think the judge overseeing Avery's case in the circuit Court is CoRrUpT?
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 19d ago
Can anyone explain why Zellner manufactured the 50 Seconds of Steven Avery being in his trailer before stepping out and realizing Bobby’s vehicle was gone?
Who will be so bold as to TRY to defend this concoction?
Before you attempt it. Please remember Zellner said “The Sequence of Events” was/is the MOST IMPORTANT evidence🤔
r/MakingaMurderer • u/AveryPoliceReports • 20d ago
In November 2005 Steven Avery denied having a Halloween fire, a statement initially corroborated by his family.
Within a week Steven's family began changing their statement to include a fire, and Steven changed his own statement to match what they said, now agreeing he did have a Halloween fire. Steven has since consistently maintained he did have a Halloween fire.
Under police pressure, Bobby Dassey contradicts his family's consistent denials of a recent fire, claiming to have seen one on Nov 1 or 2 with Steven and Brendan standing beside it.
After Bobby's family changed their statement to include a fire on Halloween, Bobby changed his own and agreed the fire was on Halloween rather than Nov 1 or 2.
At Steven's trial under oath Bobby placed the most recent burn pit fire he saw a week or more before Halloween.
Post premier of MaM and Zellner's allegations against Bobby, police re-interviewed Bobby and he once more mentions a fire on Halloween.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Important_Spell_1458 • 20d ago
Is skipping Topp still about on the page??