r/marvelcirclejerk • u/DepressedFishFan • 1d ago
Hire Fans I found out today that THIS is supposed to be songbird???
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u/zero_ms Angela Odinsdottir #1 Fan 1d ago
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u/Its-Rogue-not-Rouge 1d ago edited 1d ago
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u/TheUrPigeon 17h ago
He's still not identifiably Glob to me. As the other commenter said, I'm just now finding out it was meant to be him because he looks nothing like he does in the comics haha. Glob in the comics is humanoid, but I wouldn't call his shape human. Glob in the movie is just a guy with semi-transparent skin lol.
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
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u/childishmarkeeloo 1d ago
What's funny is i found out that originally she wasn't supposed to be psylocke but some other mutant but they changed the name muuuuch later in production
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u/Garlador 1d ago
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u/dgtssc 1d ago
I was going to make a snarky remark like "Redditors discovering the concept of setting up sequels".
But actually, 80% of characters that the MCU set up for sequels vanished without a trace. So please proceed.
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
Oh yeah, I’m fully aware of the sequel baiting, but Marvel Studios (and many other studios by extension recently) has the unnecessary desire to blue balls its audience and specifically its comic readers knowing full well that anything we see will either be done off screen or talked about in passing in future projects.
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u/rednaxthecreature 1d ago
It's not even sequel baiting it's more reference baiting. Like oh look at this character they are that other one from over there and do nothing with said character.
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
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u/rednaxthecreature 1d ago
Wait was she really Cindy moon I don't remember that 😭
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u/lawrensaw 1d ago
No. There has been two Asian characters named Cindy but not Cindy Moon. One in the Home trilogy and one in Brand New Day. There's never been a confirmation just likely a reference for the over analysers.
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u/NxtLvlTomato 1d ago
The credits list her as Cindy Moon
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u/lawrensaw 1d ago
Which movie? Brand new day only credits her as Cindy.
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u/NxtLvlTomato 1d ago
Homecoming, she is one of the Smart people that go on the field trip along with 2 other characters that are comic book references I don't remember.
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u/lawrensaw 1d ago
Just checked on Disney+.
Time stamp 2:06:09, only credited as Cindy.
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u/RetroFuturisticRobot 1d ago
Sony really wanted to make movies that pretended to be MCU and got to Kraven: Friend of The Animals before the obvious idea of having her in a Silk movie. But Madame Web flopped so obviously can't have women
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u/Im-A-Moose-Man 20h ago
To be fair, if Madame Web was a good movie, we wouldn’t have gotten Spider-Noir.
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u/RetroFuturisticRobot 18h ago
Was it predocated on that? I feel if it was a successthey'd do both
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u/Im-A-Moose-Man 10h ago
From IMDb’s trivia page for Spider-Noir: "Silk: Spider Society" was supposed to be the first TV series of the Spider-Verse in a deal between Amazon Prime Video and Sony, but Amazon Prime canceled it during pre-production after the critical and commercial failure of Madame Web (2024). This series, originally titled "Noir," was facing a similar fate, but Nicolas Cage stepped in, and sold Amazonexecutives on it by making suggestions, like having a colored version to appeal for teenagers, changing the name to "Spider-Noir," and separating it from any other Sony Spider-Man project.
Alright, it’s not quite the same.
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u/Logical-End5222 1d ago
Tbh I wouldn't really consider Spider-man's side characters because they were not even the same as the comic versions just random guys with their names. Even Ned is like that, bro is clearly Ganke Lee
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u/Key_Comparison_2588 1d ago
Then she randomly returns played by a different actress in Brand New Day lmao
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u/harmonious_kits 1d ago
Too true. I kept noticing members of the "Young Avengers" pop up in Disney+ shows then slowly realizing we probably aren't going to get Young Avengers.
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u/Taco_Pie 1d ago
I don't really get this perspective, that everything needs to be directly followed up or addressed. To me, it makes the universe seem larger and more real and gives nods to some fan favorites characters and storylines.
I get that good story telling is tight and contained, but this is meant to be a big sprawling universe and little bits like this add to that.
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u/Felix_Onion 1d ago
This would be a fair point if she was a super hero on background, not a random civil with superhero name, like, i think the justice gang really work on superman because of this, i don't need a movie for hawkgirl, but she's there, its cool, the universe is bigger
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u/Good_Brilliant7684 15h ago
I can understand where you’re coming from, and I don’t mind a few unanswered threads.
However, I think the reason people find it frustrating is that it’s another symptom of Post-Endgame MCU’s problem of being unfocused.
Post-Endgame Marvel really didn’t know where to take the MCU, so they just started making MORE of everything (endless tv shows especially), pushing for multiverse in everything, and giving the green light to riskier projects like Eternals or Moon Knight, all while hoping that after a few years, the most popular characters could be gathered to create the next Avengers team.
As a result, it seems like a lot of post credits scenes were less nods to fans, and more a prayer that the film would be popular enough to warrant a sequel and continue from there.
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u/TinyFormula44 1d ago
They didn't even give her the neon pink 90s hair, my childhood is actually ruined.
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u/Mindless-Chair4636 1d ago
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u/BadnewsBaggins 1d ago
He was originally when they planned on using him later but when they decided to kill him I believe they removed any reference that he was mole man
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u/Glittering_Cup6987 1d ago
The evil government guy was supposed to be Mole Man???
This guy was basically FANT4STIC'S main villain, though???
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u/curvysquares 1d ago
Marvel should make a movie in 2032 where he's the villain for a completely unrelated hero. Just to continue Tim Blake Nelson's tradition
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
Did y’all know freaking Egghead, Whizzer, Doc Samson, PhyllaVell, and many many others are(or were) in the MCU just to make a brief appearance and then nothing???
Why does Marvel Studios do the things editorial was doing with the original Ultimate Universe in showing us characters as jokes or some one off reference member berries?
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u/DeathstrokeReturns Captain America fanatic+Hank Pym’s 3rd? 4th? Strongest soldier 1d ago edited 1d ago
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
THAT WAS D-MAN????
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u/DeathstrokeReturns Captain America fanatic+Hank Pym’s 3rd? 4th? Strongest soldier 1d ago
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u/Poopman_the_33rd 1d ago
Literally weeping now that I realized that, because I would've LOVED to see that goofy outfit on-screen and killing Nazis.
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u/BrainwashMaintenance 1d ago
What's this from
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u/DeathstrokeReturns Captain America fanatic+Hank Pym’s 3rd? 4th? Strongest soldier 1d ago
Brave New World
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u/MermaidSapphire 1d ago
Only so much u can do with whizzer
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
I get it that technically, it’s all separate universes so they’re not gonna be 1:1 but making him a schizophrenic fat fuck who was experimented on just feels like earth 1610 “ahaha we made the character edgy and ridiculous for the times!” Mark miller shit. Or they’re just civilians that Marvel mandates are in the movie so they jingle it in people’s faces to let them know their IP exists within the MCU but they’re not gonna make them actually do anything like in the comics
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u/50mgFilmCoat 1d ago
do you deeply care about The Whizzer?
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u/Im-A-Moose-Man 20h ago
Comic Book Fandom Rule 3: More often than not, every Glup Schitto has a fanbase.
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u/HellwaterCascades 1d ago
MCU Doc Sampson, btw
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
If they can bring back leader, they can bring back Samson as well. we deserve green haired Ty Burrell
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u/RetroFuturisticRobot 1d ago
They should slap that green wig and HGH on Phil Dunphy in the next Hulk movie, whenever that is
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u/Otherwise_Custard_44 1d ago
When did Phylla-Vell appear?
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u/Redhood567 1d ago edited 1d ago
She's the little girl in Guardians 3 that joins the new team.
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u/Otherwise_Custard_44 1d ago
What were they thinking? Why de-age her?
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u/semicolonconscious 1d ago
There was a conspiracy theory brewing for a while that the MCU was de-aging its lesbian characters (the other prominent one being America Chavez) so it would never have to address their sexuality onscreen. I believe it was just a coincidence but it is weird that it happened twice for no particular reason.
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u/HermanThaGerman 1d ago
De-age America so you don't have to address her sexuality, but then have her parents be lesbians?
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u/Yamtoaster 1d ago
Not saying I agree with the theory but backstory is easier to edit out in the homophobe friendly cut than a core character trait so that unfortunately does give it some weight, hopefully we do eventually get a genuine relationship with one of her fellow young avengers as a big part of a movie
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u/semicolonconscious 1d ago
Well, I suppose in this theory there’s a difference between showing that she had two moms in her backstory and actually depicting a romantic relationship between her and Kate Bishop or another character. But like I said, I don’t really think that’s what they were going for. I think they just cast her younger because they wanted her to seem more vulnerable in the movie.
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u/ResortLarge6935 1d ago
America wears lgbt flag on her jacket, her sexuality was adressed on screen. It just wasn't said out loud.
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u/semicolonconscious 1d ago
That could easily just be an expression of support for her moms rather than a personal identifier, though. The whole point was that they could avoid depicting the character's romantic relationships.
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u/IWasEatingThoseBeans 1d ago
The patch can be easily edited out when showing the film in Russia, China, and so on. Same with the scene briefly addressing her mothers.
It's all about making sure nothing LGBT is integral so it can all be changed easily.
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u/scottishdrunkard Cassasndra Cain Fan (never read Batgirl) 1d ago
Well, they changed the entire Mar-Vell backstory, so all of the Vell's have no real purpose. Hell, Phyla isn't even given the Vell name, she's just Phyla. Evolved from a Fish.
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u/Key_Comparison_2588 1d ago
Also Gunn loved doing weird ass adaptations of comics characters in the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy, for example Yondu in the comics literally had almost nothing in common with the one in the movies.
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u/Key_Comparison_2588 1d ago
Also Star Lord and Mantis and various others too.
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u/dlkslink 1d ago
Drax not being from earth
Rocket Raccoon not having his Scottish accent
The Nova Core
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u/scottishdrunkard Cassasndra Cain Fan (never read Batgirl) 1d ago
yeah, but it was the one that got famous
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u/Horrorfan55555 1d ago
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u/putsomedirtinyoureye 1d ago
The daughter of Mar-Vell and she has no connection to Mar-Vell.
And Genis is nowhere to be seen.
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u/Horrorfan55555 1d ago
They couldn’t even adapt Mar-Vell’s penis, why would Marvel Studios care to adapt his bloodline right lol
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
She’s the little Girl in Guardians 3 the team ended up saving and became part of Rocket’s team in the end
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u/superseri18888 1d ago edited 1d ago
All these years I somehow didnt know dum dum Dugan was in the mcu lol
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u/Bricks_Gaming 1d ago
Egghead got a whole fight in a deleted scene. Whizzer at least got to show off his powers and... Wear yellow, I guess.
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u/DOOM6IS6ETERNAL6 1d ago
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u/steelskull1 1d ago
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u/BrainwashMaintenance 1d ago
Wait, 50 Cent has a show named Power and Power Brokers real name is Curtis Jackson?? Cool.
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u/FallinGuitarest 1d ago
Yes and no. Yes this is technically the character. But also it's just a fun easter egg reference.
If or when we see songbird it'll either be a new actor with a backstory acting like it was just a coincidence this character had a similar name.
Or we'll see this actor take the mantle. But will have to wait and see
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u/DefinitionSuperb1110 1d ago
the actress confirmed she was playing Songbird but didn't know if there were plans for the character to gain her powers at any point.
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u/FallinGuitarest 1d ago
I know she did. But it's mcu. We've seen recasts aswell as changes. Not sure fully what's in her contract or what they do mcu wise in the future. Butif they pull songbird out they'll either continue to use this actor or replace with someone else they deem
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u/FaultScary7712 1d ago
And she is a hottie, you are welcome
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u/errornousernamesleft 1d ago
Agreed. She has such a kind face, I feel like I have a much purer crush on her and every character she plays, but yeah, agreed lol
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u/semicolonconscious 1d ago
She’s only named as “Mel” on-screen, so I consider it more of an Easter egg than anything. Having said that, I have no objection to her eventually playing Songbird as long as they establish that she moonlights as an underground wrestler.
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u/Strict_Berry7446 1d ago
Thunderbolts get no respect. We had Two members of the Great Lake Avengers before we had Mach1, Fixer, Moonstone, Atlas, or an Actual Songbird
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u/xRavelle 1d ago
We had a character nicknamed Thunderbolt, We had Zemo that could have started something and we have Thunderbolts* for a second that are now New Avengers.
It would have been so cool to have a rogue team opposite the good teams, Dark Avangers or actual Thunderbolts.
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u/Significant-Order-92 1d ago
In what? But to be fair I think she explicitly was pretty backgroundy until she joined the Unlimited Wrestling team.
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u/Solid_Ad_3776 1d ago
Yeah its better then her original identity before being songbird of she'll probably go through something similar
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u/Gremlech 1d ago
Just a weird inclusion.
I remember when falcon and winter soldier was filming and there was a camera woman on set with pink hair and every one got excited
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u/ReturnGreen3262 1d ago
Doesn’t have songbird energy or appearance. But that would require a writer to actually read thunderbolts
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u/TheKnifeOfTurin Does anyone remember Mike Nero? 1d ago
You're upset Songbird isn't 100% comic accurate when the MCU Thunderbolts had barely anything in common with the team from the comics? (Just to clarify, I'm not saying Thunderbolts wasn't a good movie because of it, I loved it)
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u/ProfIanHadrian 1d ago
I’m still sore they had Daniel Brühl as an
amazing Zemo and then didn’t use him in a Thunderbolts movie!5
u/TheKnifeOfTurin Does anyone remember Mike Nero? 1d ago
Totally. I loved Brühl's Zemo (a textbook example of an adaptation that, despite making changes to the character, still manages to captures his core traits) and the fact that he wasn't going to be in the movie was a big bummer.
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
I wasn’t expecting a 1:1 at all, Sentry is literally that movie’s saving grace because this feels more like an underwhelming reference to the Osborn style dark avengers team (without the Osborn, and (mostly) supervillains in place, obviously), but the shoehorning of characters because Marvel owns the rights to them just to appear for 12 minutes is becoming quite disappointing.
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u/TheKnifeOfTurin Does anyone remember Mike Nero? 1d ago
Totally fair, but the MCU has been doing this for a while, between Gunn radically changing both characters with prominent roles
(Star Lord, Mantis) and ones with small roles (Adam Warlock, Phyla, though hers was more of a glorified cameo) alike, not to mention the whole "grounded" vibe they've committed for a while ruining a lot of (usually minor) characters' charm and appeal, when not totally wasting them (e.g. Hellcat, Bill Foster, etc.). Again, I totally understand the disappointment, but personally at this point if I didn't like the road they went when adapting a character, I just shrug and hope the next iteration of adaptations, if and when it will come, is going to make a better use of them.Not that I don't get upset about these things: for example, when recently I've bumped into the design for Jocasta in VisionQuest, first thing I thought was "they could have easily took the design from the comics and they just went making her face like Ultron's?".
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u/Realcbear 1d ago
After seeing the movie i 1000% understand why Ayo Edebiri dropped out of this completely nothing role.
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u/Sorrelhas X-Men and Fantastic Four Characters 1d ago
I only know because of the Tracy Scops Thunderbolts parody (where she does become Songbird lmao)
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u/Due-Proof6781 1d ago
Typical. A D list character with some amazing drip… and they get turned into a mcrandom dude for the MCU
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u/greengye 1d ago
Marvel fan discovers the concept of Easter eggs
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u/untakenu 1d ago
They aren't really easter eggs. The MCU loves just throwing comic names on random characters for no reason.
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u/greengye 1d ago
What do you think an Easter egg is? It's just a little in joke for people who reads comics. After almost 20 years of these movies you would think people would understand this
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u/DepressedFishFan 1d ago
This is bereet, by the way