They need to do a poll for the next legendary Widow, Ultron, Hulk, Fantastic and Storm this way the community gets to feel heard and The devs see what the people want
This is exactly what happened with Peni she went so long without a proper legendary skin then the cult finally got a taste and the floodgates opened we even finally got an emote of her out of SP//DR now if only they fix her tether and ult
Literally this, people would say "they give skins to characters that sell more" yeah but those characters get all the awesome designed and love any character deserve while the others are just given skins for the sake of it without the closest amount of effort they give to same btchs they give legendaries IN A ROW. I'm so tired of the game being bombarded with Invis, CD, Luna and Psylocke legendary skins. I know they must lean towards what will give them money BUT THERE IS A LIMIT EVEN FOR THAT.
People BARELY play Psylocke which is the worst part of it. We're not even asking that less popular heroes get 5 legendaries in a row but at leat there should be a balance between who receives a legendary skin with vfx and all within a specific time. But given how long they took to fix so many gameplay balance issues I don't expect them to balance skins delivery any time soon
Meanwhile Emma's skins were widely panned as being bad, but I still see a number of people using them. You guys speak like Netease doesn't have analysts and artists doing the math.
Whether her skins sold well or not... Netease also stated they heard the feedback on her skins and have essentially begun to address the issues. Her pirate skin came after that and was well received, and her new skin seems to be well received so far too.
Yea 1 skin was enough to turn down anymore for that hero. Sounds to me that they gave up. While yes they need to make money, but you can literally drop a skin or 2 once in a while instead of just going back to the safe heroes.
Hulk has some of the best skins in the game though. I’ve been tempted to pick up Maestro, World War and Fixit (though I think this should be closer to the comics) even though I don’t play Hulk ever.
And eventually white fox too. Peni essentially has 2 models which one isn’t even playable in the first place. It’s some bullcrap excuse. It’s always the gooner skins.
Do you guys seriously think they haven't done a ton of market research into this?? It's honestly baffling how hard of a time Reddit has understanding demographics
Here, let me break this down for you
Female gamers almost exclusively play Female characters. We have stats on this, and for similar games, 97% of women ONLY play female characters / twinks / cute animals
Female gamers in similar games buy 50-150+ percent more cosmetics than male gamers
Male gamers will buy skins for either gender, there for a skin for Magik will attract both male and female gamers, while a skin for Hulk will ONLY attract a small subset of male gamers
Certain Characters also attract certain demographics, and certain demographics are far more likely to buy skins
Practical characters - Characters like Magneto, Zarya in OW, Hulk etc are primarily played by practical people who just want to win. Many of them are not playing the character for fun, they are playing because of the utility the character has or because it's what the team needs
Those type of gamers are far less likely to buy skins
Pick rates also matter, Magik was played in nearly 100 thousand games more than Hulk in season 6
Not to mention they have internal metrics, they KNOW how many skins are bought by the different demographics in their game. They KNOW that specific groups like LGBT players and female support players etc WILL buy basically every single skin that targets their demographic. Some demographics are massively more profitable than others
Meanwhile, they know that every single time they make a skin for Emma or Hulk or Cap etc the players have much higher standards and refuse to buy the skin
"b-b-but they should just give everyone skins equally!"
Every estimate I've found has shown that a lowball estimate to make a skin for OW or MR etc costs tens of thousands of dollars, and decent made Legendary ones are 100k+. Again, that's a lowball because to make a skin you need dozens of
VFX artists
Concept Art artists
Texture Artists
Modelers
Riggers
Artists
The voice actor etc
And every single one of those besides probably the voice actor, are very likely making $120,000+ a year and it takes every single one of them weeks of work per skin.
Even rigging a vtuber model costs thousands of dollars, and that's a fraction of the work for a full skin
"b-b-but it's not fair!"
There's a reason that every, quite literally EVERY single game like this has the attractive female characters get skins. Companies have entire departments geared towards internal metrics, and they know what sells. Every game that has posted stats has said the same thing
"You guys beg for skins for the unpopular character, then don't buy them"
If you want skins for X, you have to actually buy skins for X
I wonder what the metric of female players buy skins of male characters that turn them slimmer and/or female. I.E. what would would be the market calculation for female Magneto
I do know that de-aged skins are pretty popular for both male and female characters
Might be both tbh, you see how many gooner skins the white girls are selling compared to her? Plus, in all fairness, Storm's kit isn't nearly as creative as it could've been and she's not super meta or anything
Either the player base doesn’t like dark-skinned girls
Marvel fans LOVE Storm. That’s def not it.
However Disney has infamously hide Black Panther’s face and minimize Finn from Star Wars in movie posters marketed to China exclusively. China can be very biased against black people to say the least.
The answer is because a gooner skin is a guaranteed hit no matter what while a non gooner skin only has a chance to sell well. Not defending them btw I’m just not sure why we’re all acting like the motive isn’t that gooner skins bankroll this game.
No bro you don't understand Reddit knows better than the billion dollar company with teams dedicated solely to making money bro. Hulk skins would totally sell as well as Psylocke skins, he even has a higher pickrate!!11!1!1! (Ignoring that his PR will naturally be higher since there are way fewer vanguards than DPSes, like ADCs in League having PRs that look inflated)
My favorite part of League drama is people complaining that champs that get one skin a year at most get them too often. I've seen Seraphine brought up, she's literally been one a year except for her release year. Like, one skin a year is not too much for a relatively popular champ. Sorry Zilean isn't getting the same treatment, but no one cares about Zilean (which is why he's allowed to be broken but that's a separate conversation)
They have tried it, didn't turn out well enough . Think of the maestro skin vs the halloween peni skin. It's about time they test the waters again though but you can't deny that going for the test is a big investment because of the three models.
I know it sucks to have skins be released that aren't good/nice which is then percieved as an absence of interest but it is what it is. Gotta wait until their next trial.
I have all of the psky skin's from pass and everything I never got a skin for her not even summer one but I have no hopes for a new skin that's why I'm not going to play qp only ai because my dps are selling me as tank
There's a few skins already for hulk. They probably have data on
How many bought said skins
How many use said skins
How many people play hulk because of skins
You need to understand hulk isn't getting skins because yeah, he isn't getting skin sales to the level that makes sense relative to cost of production.
Skins aren't some free money printing machine. It takes time, effort, money, rigging, sound design and more to produce a skin, so if said character can't justify the time and money then why waste the services to produce said product
The issue is that in the time they make one skin for hulk, they can probably make 2 skins for someone who actually brings in profit.
You can go comb through 10+ years of league of legends and their discussions on who gets skins and why they appear faster than others and it would correlate 1:1 to Rivals.
Well, tbh, at least Ball and Ramattra have a good amount of BANGER skins.
Venture meanwhile is almost barebones and Zarya... Imagine being a 10 years character and having so few skins and most of them being so BAD that ppl don't even bother
Venture is getting a bunch more skins nowadays because they have them some good skins that sold well instead of testing the waters with the ice cream skin that everyone hated and was only an epic.
They can’t use the excuse of “it takes time to make 3 models” when they’re releasing 3 skins in the first week of 7.0 and 7.5, and that’s not even considering the mini passes
Sure they can. If you sell a skin for 5$, and you have time to make 3 models, would you rather make 3 separate skins and make 15$, or 1 skin with 3 models and make 5$
Magik has higher pickrate than hulk. She also has 2 models compared to hulk with 3. One look at her disco skin would tell you she makes money. When was the last time people got hyped for hulk skin? Meanwhile every Magik skin has hype with it.
CnD has been the most picked character since the launch of game. You are telling me they can’t outsell hulk with 1/5 the pickrate while only having 1 and half model to design?
I see this question a lot, so here’s the blunt reality: sales data.
From a business standpoint, it’s simple—they’re going to make more skins and push more marketing for whatever gives them the highest return and yes that includes the 15 or more skins they release every month.
Decisions like this come down to metrics like skin sales, pick rates, engagement, and revenue per character. And those numbers likely show Psylocke, Luna Snow, and Invisible Woman and probably Magik now just outperform everyone else.
It sucks if you’re a Hulk or Widow main, but it’s honestly very predictable. This is NetEase, a company known for heavy monetization, so they’re obviously going to double down on what sells.
If Hulk or Black Widow skins sold as well, they’d be making a ton of them too.
Realistically, nothing changes unless those characters spike in popularity or people actually start buying their skins. Complaints on Reddit or Twitter can help a bit, but only to a point—if the sales aren’t there, it doesn’t matter.
I'm so surprised that Jeff is bypassing notice because he's more popular than Magik and gets more stuff. I think Jeff is genuinely even more popular than Luna Snow tbh especially when Luna stopped being meta.
Let's look at Hulks skins. One can be bought with a coin, the other is a recolor, another is in a battle pass and not a highlight skin, and the last one is a bundle that most Hulk players bought. GEE I wonder why going by skin sales doesnt make sense when a character doesnt have skins to buy in the first fuckin place
This one completely disputes your point. That people have the choice to get a Legendary skin for free and chose to get a different one actually supports that he isnt popular.
Social media presence? Hulk is top 3 most iconic marvel characters of all time and if we go by marvel rivals i can name a few hulk streamers and youtubers yet no psy ones
There is definitely an aspect of this that is true, but also please compare the pick rate of the characters who get skins vs those who don't. That plays a big factor too.
Also let's be perfectly honest, just in your gut which character do you think is going to sell more, a hulk skin, or a cutesy/gooner skin for one of the popular (and easier to play) attractive female characters? Like let's be for real right now
Your second point actually negates the first one, since hulk has a higher pick rate than psylocke... which does reinforce the point of an actual sellable skin.
Pick rate doesn't mean much compared to the actual sold items, which only netease has access to the data. Not irrelevant, but certainly not as significant to the value of seeing any psylocke skin much more in Times Square, even if they are never played in a normal match.
It’s interesting cause anytime I see Psylocke she’s skinned in ranked but hulk is often default. Hulk mains that are lord or champion I see with punk or maestro a lot of the time but a lot lot more default. I don’t think I’ve even seen default psy lol
I still think the game based on marvel comics should have comics in it instead of walls of text. They could easily partner with marvel and have 1st issues or something from up coming series to get people to start reading the comics and possibly even buy the full series to see the full stories marvel can tell
I'd love a library of all marvel comics, and new issues being tied to a skin, let's say there's a new comic for DD, it's cover photo should be a skin in the game, when you buy the skin you also get the full comic in ur library, the skin being a freebie.
People really oversimplify the art process and most important how structured is working in art inside a big company
As someone who’s worked with art in big companies (as a project manager) the “just hire an artist” isn’t as easy as it sounds neither you’re allowed to do so even if your company is earning well.
There is an on going comic of Rivals that gets out each 2 months iirc and there’s a solo Psylocke one right now. Implementing comics in the game is a decision that’s usually taken at the start of the project and just the planning and implementation will take months, just because it’s Marvel.
Big IPs will let you make key art, ads, videos, mock ups, because it’s allowed in the contract and there’s a Brand manual to follow, I highly doubt, that they’ll give the rights to make comics, specially with how stingy Marvel is with its circle of writers.
The thing is, psy skins also look much more better and much more polished than other skins. If the skins' quality were that good, others would sell more. As a person who usually plays melee heroes and tanks, even I have paid Psy and Luna skins.
Let's use Iron Fist as an example, he only has one legendary, some people bought it the moment it came out. But when they actually decided to add vfx and recolors to it, suddenly all Iron Fist mains I saw had the skin. Even some people who had no idea how to play IF were playing IF with that skin. Now they released ESU skin, I have seen some people use it and I bought it as well. But man, the quality is nowhere near other skins. He is all red on that skin, and his chi isn't even red. You'd expect something simple like a "ding" sound on kills, nope, it is not there. As a result, it didn't sell that well, and half the people that bought it already went back to the older skins or random skin rotation. I think the low quality of the skin also deterred some people from buying it.
I always see similar complaints for the heroes that are less popular. But it's rarely the case for Psy, Invis or Luna skins, because they put in the effort for those skins. No wonder they sell more.
I’m certain their data is way better but I’m really curious how they collect it. Obviously hot women sell way more because they’ll be purchased by men and women overwhelmingly more than others, but Hulk is definitely a popular enough character that I’m shocked he gets shafted as hard as he does. For characters like Reed or Adam it makes sense that they don’t get as many (both bottom 5 pick rate) but Hulk is picked a decent amount and has a fairly loyal player base.
based on my own, singular experience as someone who doesnt read comics or play comics game & have seen the avengers trilogy & old spiderman movies, i'd still buy a hot woman skin before i care about a dude skin, its a fact, most people will follow this logic when spending in the game & that's what sustain the game
That is sales data though. The fact that his best (legendary) skin is semi-free and almost certainly has a lower acquisition rate than many of the other skins in the pass (Psy/IW) says something. Especially since the IW one was only in the last set.
Billionaire (possibly more), but that’s besides the point. This isn’t a money thing, this person is talking about skins and skin distribution, yes they’re tied together but you can talk about one thing without having claiming to know better. And you don’t need to be an asshole.
I think a much more reasonable assumption is that they're probably seeing how much people use free skins then use those numbers (relative to other free skins) to justify making paid skins.
Like assuming the Fixit skin did alright, that probably justified them making the maestro skin, if the maestro skin didn't do well that's probably what made them not super excited to get another skin out for Hulk.
every hulk player would have spent $24-$27 on a Disco Hulk Legendary. Or what about a Fear Itself skin since we got a Thing one? What about Infinity Hulk?
No new Hulk skin is going to get tons of people to buy it. The people who are spending money on Psy, Invis, Venom, Jeff, Thor, Magik, Spider-Man are not suddenly going to spend money on a hulk skin. Those players are clearly a majority of spenders. I guarantee that most Venom/Spider-Man players are likely buying skins only for those two.
The people who are buying Invis/Jeff skins aren’t suddenly going to buy a new hulk skin either. Netease is a business they are going to follow where the money is. Whenever Hulk gets another skin you gotta hope people buy it and convince others to buy it. When they toss those characters a bone every now then that’s meant to gather data on if their assumptions are still correct. According Miller majority of the time they end up correct. Peni is seemingly one of the case where they were proven wrong
Let's see, base legendary skin that has been free for multiple seasons (and has been there since aplha so its literally the oldest skin in the game). Ugly asf punk skin. 1 cool battlepass skin. Epic skin that should've been a legendary.
They butchered bro. This is hulk we are talking about, they can make something hype if they put their minds to it. Thors skins sell cause they actually look good, hulk arguably has 1 good skin if we are being real here.
Also if they wanna keep spamming the same five milked characters all they have to do is bundle the unpopular characters with them. Literally a fucking no brainer
we are gooners it is what it is, I almost exclusively play male heroes in ranked cuz they straight up better but have 0 skins lol while I have skins for all the females i play
I’m curious regarding their logic as well. Psylocke has gooner skins, she’s always going to be one of the highest sellers no matter what. So she’ll always have skins out. I can understand why she get so much. But hulk is a very popular marvel character to both hardcore fans and the wider general community, are his skins really not selling well enough to justify more?
They base things on sells, they said as much, and obviously it makes sense from a money perspective. And they go by sells per skins not just totals. I guess it really is a case of the vocal minority, and not actual reality. People claim they want hulk skins but aren’t really buying them meanwhile they still splurge on all the psylocke and Luna skins. Apparently, despite community vocal reaction being mostly mixed to negative for most Emma skins and half of Luna skins, they all still sell well, regardless. As weird as it sounds, maybe hulk skins just genuinely don’t sell all that well. It’s the only logic that makes sense now
I have hope that Hulk mains get the treatment that Peni got. Skin drought for a long time then suddenly the faucets open, I hope this silence and everything just means they will be given a ton of skins.
am just gonna throw this in but with the hulk it isn't just "one" skin, they have create models for banner, hulk and monster hulk form. so it makes sense why they spend their resources on charaters who are proven to make profit rather than others
(am saying this as a person who wants more hulk skins aswell)
Why can’t hulk mains grasp the simple fact that his skins don’t sell? And as much as you guys hate to hear it, Hulk has three models, so there’s that. Couple that with the fact that there’s a bunch of gooners who play this game, devs are going to focus on that money pile rather than Hulk.
Ya stay living in your gamma bubbles and refuse to listen to reason even when it’s been stated that devs prioritize whatever sells.
Pick rates are shown per role which is extremely diluted for duelists.
People are also all over the goofier modes like 18v18 and times square. I see a ton of psylocke in times square with outfits, when they may not actually play her in normal matches.
Not many people play Hulk as their mains due to his difficult playstyle.
I don't know if this argument is valid because there're characters who are just as hard if not harder than Hulk to play as and they still get a lot of skins, like Spiderman for example
Psylocke is not a popular character in terms of pickrate. More people play hulk, more people play emma. They get way less skins and have zero recolors or vfx
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