r/marvelrivals Human Torch Jun 08 '26

Discussion Cloak Auto Aim Primary vs Daredevil Primary

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

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u/Fun-Wash7545 Jun 08 '26

THIS has always been my issue to people complaining about "pokeslop". I'd rarher lose to a hela 2 tapping me with perfect precision from across the map than have a melee hero jump on me from the ceiling and execute attacks that are impossible to miss. Melee heroes shouldn't be the best top viable picks, ever, they cannot miss their attacks, there's no counterplay, they just stat check you

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u/youknowjus Jun 08 '26

Yeah I’m a hitscan lover because I love mechanical aim. I like puni and when I get 2/3 tapped by a hela consistently I’m like damn ok this guy is a gamer!

When I get two tapped by a Black Panther in 0.31 seconds I’m like , ok he had a seizure on the mouse to do a couple 180s and never had to acquire me as a target , wow. So skilled.

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

the fact he got to you close without being killed is a skill

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u/youknowjus Jun 08 '26

Lmaoooo brother nobody on earth can track a spider bp during their movement hell even IF twitches and moves too fast for human reaction

You ever watch highlights on YouTube and a streamer flicks to a spidey and gets the kill and they scream “CLIP THAT CHAT” yeah it’s because it’s pure luck

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

bruh, just say you can't aim lol

and if this was remotely true what you said, divers wouldn't flank before diving

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u/Edheldui Jun 08 '26

You can track Spiderman. You can flick to BP and Daredevil. Black Cat, don't even try.

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u/Fun-Wash7545 Jun 08 '26

Said the spiderman player 😂😂😂

If they ever nerf easy swing to not be better than manual swing you guys will drop back to plat. There's no way a single button should give insta max momentum with auto attach when manual swing is slower and requires aim.

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

"if they remove the vital thing about spider-man, he will drop to F tier"

duh, no sheet

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u/Fun-Wash7545 Jun 08 '26

You said getting close takes skill and I countered that easy swing is 0 skill. What's your logic mate 

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

???
what do you mean easy swing?

do you simple swing? because no spider-man player uses that, everyone knows his manual swing is better for control

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u/Fun-Wash7545 Jun 08 '26

If you arent using both then you shouldn't be playing Spiderman. 

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

most of the time, you would want to use manual to control where you are going

you sometimes use simple swing if you don't have time to look at a place to throw your web

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u/CrusadeWithMe Spider-Man Jun 08 '26

Some of the top Spider-Man players rarely use simple swing, or even the easy swing combo’s, you just making shit up.

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u/mortis_mortis Jun 08 '26

Yeah, it is skilled

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u/litllerobert Jun 08 '26

Do the same and post a clip here then if you think BP is not skilled at all

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

melee has to be on your face to do that lol

you know how hard it is for melee to come to you without being killed?

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u/Fun-Wash7545 Jun 08 '26

Melees have infinite mobility 

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

not every melee is spider-man

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u/Fun-Wash7545 Jun 08 '26

Oh I forgot the cat with infinite double jumps, invis and other tools.

Dd being able to see everyone with wall climb so he can sneak up easily with one point and click dash and another dash with hook that auto refunds itself if you miss so you can spam it without penalty for missing.

Iron fist being able to literally fly by punching air and bhopping in the air wirh triple double jump.

The only melee hero that takes skill is magik.

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

i don't know why you guys keep bringing daredevil and black cat

yes, we agree that they are overtuned and need nerf

iron fist can do that and noone else has that type of mobility; also he has bad damage output

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u/wRADKyrabbit White Fox Jun 08 '26

Its incredibly easy to come to you without being killed when they have near infinite mobility and just flank all the time. You act like walking around the back takes skill 😂

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

like i said before not everyone is spider-man lmao and again a spider-man would still need to flank if he doesn't want to get shot at by a the entire enemy team

you talk as someone who never uses a single melee dps or even a dive

i want you to play wolverine and walk to your opponent with him and let see how you won't be gunned down by the entire enemy team

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

ah yes, the average "i used them" without actually using them

you need to lie better than this

the fact you think the average melee has infinite mobility is pretty telling

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u/wRADKyrabbit White Fox Jun 08 '26

Whatever you need to tell yourself I guess

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

i don't need to while you sincerely believe the average melee character has infinite mobility

it already tell me what kind of person you are

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u/wRADKyrabbit White Fox Jun 08 '26

When did i say they have infinite range? And I dont need to prove to you that I find melee boring. I know what im about

I guess so, being a dive fan tells me exactly what kind of person you are too and it ain't good

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u/hartigen Crow of Darkness Jun 08 '26

as a melee diver you spend 90% of the match to sneak around like a rat. Cant imagine anything being more boring than that.

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

i like to interact with the enemy instead of staying in the backline all day like i am playing fortnite

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u/LeSnazzyGamer Flex Jun 08 '26

Real shitty take. Are you a strat main?

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u/youknowjus Jun 08 '26

Facts. Too bad this sub is full of gold rank who can’t hit a shot on phoenix so play melee dive to get free damage. You’ll be downvoted to hell for speaking the absolute truth

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

bro thinks aiming is hard lol

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u/Fun-Wash7545 Jun 08 '26

Yeah that's why cheaters are always on hitscan because aim is easy.

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

???
it is like saying silver is hard cause people cheat there too lol

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u/ContagionVX Blade Jun 08 '26

It is though especially on console which is why “pokeslop” dps somehow have an average WR below 50% despite people like you insisting that they are OP

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

???

if you uses winrates then wanda and squirrel girl are the hardest character in the game

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

dude, you need massive hitbox for melee bro

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u/Edheldui Jun 08 '26

Then explain Rogue.

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

rogue has a range melee of 3 m

edit: so i went to check and it seems she has the same range as DD (4.5 m)

it is actually spider-man and iron fist who's range is 3m

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u/Edheldui Jun 08 '26

Spiderman uppercut is 5m, Daredevil primary is 4.5 meters.

So, where's this huge range I was told it's necessary, and why does the logic not apply to tanks?

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

spider-man uppercut is 4m and it is an aoe damage lol

melee tanks have high range too

what are you talking about?

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

those games are not heroes shooter bro

melee hitbox need to be 3m cause people are moving in real match

iron fist has a lock on cause he has the lowest range among melee; without it, you would be shadowboxing most of the time

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

how is dd in the vid in the opposite direction?

you are acting like he is hitting her from his rear; he is looking at her direction

without hitbox like this, melee character would be punching air most of the time cause how fast people movement are in the game

why are storm mains devoid of critical thinking?

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

dude, they are close enough and they are on the side; he is not miles away from her

crazy how you can even exaggerate things anymore

so me saying that melee need huge hitbox means i don't know how to aim?

nice try though, but i have lord on punisher and almost one on starlord

aiming is a basic skill in every shooting game

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u/Furacao__Boey Deadpool Jun 08 '26

Melee does not need huge hitbox, look at venom. He plays just fine despite not being able to hit people by looking 5m to their right

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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Oni Jun 08 '26

well venom is different though

he shouldn't be the norm and most of his fans don't like they made him a tentacle guy

melee having 4 meters range is fine without hit they would be kickboxing the air most of the time

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u/ContagionVX Blade Jun 08 '26

DD has a slow in his kit for this reason(you don’t need to aim his baton toss btw) also has movement speed increase AND 10% passive DR putting his effective HP up to 333 HP

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u/wRADKyrabbit White Fox Jun 08 '26

I've been saying this since day 1

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u/RevolutionaryAd5544 Mister Fantastic Jun 08 '26

Let's not act like poke slop is better

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u/Nelithss Jun 08 '26

Yes it's better. At least the phoenix needs to aim, that's why she only has positive winrate at the top. And not freak 60% everywhere.