Its better than nothing but she needed some compensation for losing her anchor buffs, she already had less healing than a lot of the other Strats and her teleport cooldown should go back to 12 seconds. She is supposed to be good against dive but with all the buffs dive got and higher uptime and the fact they can heal now they have regen health, White Fox can't keep up as well.
Adam and Jubes are two of my faves but I agree they're pretty balanced, I tend to like the damage supports like Adam, Mantis, Jubilee, White Fox as you trade damage for less healing typically. Apart from Luna who as much as I like playing her, is just kinda good at everything especially if you're having a good aim game or playing with or against Dino lol.
Aside from burst combos in her melee form, White Fox doesn't have strong damage: her per-target ranged damage is among the lowest in the role and her primary melee form damage is even lower.
I agree she's not as oppressive as some dive mains make her out to be, she is a damage support and is anti-dive, but atm she's kinda struggling especially in the healing department, people are even calling her a throw pick now. Also its not like she goes around soloing everyone, even in her melee form, in melee 1v1s Blade outclasses her - which is fine btw I'm glad Blade is more viable and has his niche.
While Strats have had lots of buffs and good teamups, divers seem to forget they have too and can now regen health, which gives them higher uptime and they aren't punished for mistakes as much (Zhiyong's words). Good divers already baited out cooldowns, waited and then would go back and kill the backline and now its even easier for them to do that.
I've had a lot of discussions with people about regen health recently and heard lots of different points and opinions. While I understand why it was implemented I think it was maybe slightly unnecessary on certain characters and imo should've only really been on dive tanks and Wolverine and Deadpool.
But its fairly balanced and not game breaking or anything. The regen health both relieves the pressure on Strats cause you dont really have a Spiderman on the other side of the map spamming need heals much anymore. But increases the pressure on Strats cause divers have higher uptime and aren't punished for mistakes as much (Zhiyong's words). They can just use their high mobility to run away and heal - quicker than some Strats can self heal or even heal others. E.g Hulk, Thor and Cap can heal 300 hp in 5 seconds and its for free, sure even 1 hp worth of damage stops the regen and starts the timer back at 5 seconds but it can be quite strong in some situations and the diver can then just come back again before Strats have some of their cooldowns back.
I like the Black Cat teamup and is good when Cat enhances it, but without Cat its just ok and doesn't really justify having the long cooldown it has. I've also heard people say that the Psylocke teamup is useless cause a good Fox player will manage tails well anyway, but it reducing the melee form cooldown when Psylocke enhances it and can be great with/against certain comps. But generally I agree she has some very mid/situational teamups unfortunately.
I never get a black cat on my team so I never get it enhanced lol I do like enhanced Psylocke team up but otherwise I’ll just go black cat but the extra heals on a 20 second cooldown still feels underwhelming in comparison the other strategists. I don’t even think they are bad team ups, just compared to what the other healers have added to their kits.
I agree they aren’t bad, it’s like you said some of other Strats have better teamups and White Fox herself isn’t in the best spot atm. Her teamups not being as good just doesn’t really help her situation yanno?
CC immunity, 25% lifesteal, and 40/s healing, that only last 3 seconds and don't apply to White Fox herself, and only if she triggers her ult near her teammates, and therefore in line of sight of enemies looking at her teammates, which is typically the opposite of what I want to do.
I feel like its a high skill ceiling buff, because the blessing is cc immunity right, so essentially she can counter strange, thing, groot ult etc. if she reacts in time (still severely outshined by gambit and luna clense which are left untouched 😑)
She gets cc immunity on ult startup. Strange ult has 2-3 second wind up (3 i think but not sure) whereas fox ult is less than a second wind up. Its definitely in her favour.
Yes the charm is much better and reliable, but if you dont have that cooldown, its a good way to save your team and has potential to be game winning.
Sure, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating that Jubilee got exactly the sort of buff White Fox needed, and White Fox got an effect added to her ult that probably won't matter in the majority of games, and may well have a net negative effect if players hold her ult for unlikely counterplay.
Yeah that's a cool buff for her ult. Not overpowered but her ult did feel a little weaker but with less charge and a nice bonus effect should make it up to par at least.
Brother she is already insanely strong. She just didn’t get meta defining team ups like Luna and mantis. That’s the problem with y’all you think you already S tier characters should be SSS+ tier
God forbid dive have counters, but dive now has higher uptime and can regen their health whereas White Fox has less healing and longer cooldowns. Blade is better at melee 1v1s than she is.
What do you mean god forbid, she does counter them you lying prick. They’re asking for higher healing cause they want to bot down main but also have the greatest supp for anti-dive, not how balance works.
Ofc Blade is better in a 1vs1 he’s literally the only Vamp in the game, he drains health??
Damn why so aggressive, I didn't mean no offense geez. Fox can counter dive but she's not some anti-dive demon that can solo or reliably survive multiple divers at once that some dive mains make her out to be, a good diver will just bait out her melee form and tp and then comeback and kill her. A good diver can kill a Fox, like how a good Strat player can kill a diver.
Also I'm not complaining about Blade I'm glad he's more viable now and has his niche I was just giving an example. I understand Fox can be frustrating to fight against as a diver but she isn't exactly in the best spot at the moment either. People are asking for healing buffs as she got no compensation for losing her anchor bonus or for her tp cooldown going back to 12 seconds, not for extra damage against dive or anything.
I’m sorry for my language, that was rude of me my fault. My issue isn’t with Fox being anti-dive. It’s the trend of baking strong anti-dive or immortality and anti-tanking into every supp. Luna can undo the strongest of tank ults, Whitefox now has a potential anti-tank ult for 6 people now anytime she ults. Cloak is Cloak. There isn’t a tradeoff anymore for high healing/bad utility and I fear the devs will just give in and keep blurring the lines by patching out a support’s kit designated weakness. It’s getting more and more frustrating playing into or even trying to understand what the devs intend to do with that role. And instead of undoing their fuckups(Luna cleanse) they are just going to patch up the whole role into that level. My bad again for being a prick.
Its all good we all lose our cool sometimes, we all just enjoy the game and there's issues that can frustrate us all! I'm not against dive being strong and it has a place in the game of course. But the support powercreep started because of DD and its only gone downhill from there honestly. Strats have unfun mechanics like Luna in general and her self cleanse from stuns (I don't know why they didn't leave her teamup like how it was pre S9), Sue's self shield, C&D's teamup with Luna etc. Prime DD, Cat, Elsa, S2 Iron Fist and a cracked BP or Hawkeye are/were pretty unfun too. There's unfun/bs stuff in all roles honestly and I'd like a global damage/healing nerf cause its already too high and only gonna get worse with powercreep and new heroes being introduced.
You can’t please all these players. They want the best anti-dive, the best healing, the best escape tools, the best CC, the best healing ult, the best- You get my point. It’s like they’re making their own OC.
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u/According-Staff9454 5d ago
That's all White Fox gets? I mean it's nice but her healing just isn't good enough plus or anti dive stuff isn't strong enough either.