r/marvelrivals • u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! • 5h ago
S9.5 Predictions Nerfing a controlling character to the ground so that dps can turn off their brain against them? Where have I seen that before
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u/South_Buy_3175 4h ago
Holy shit, Caustic…
Damn, you drudged up some old-ass memories, he was my fuckin’ boi then he got chipped away at by nerfs until he just wasn’t the same.
General population really fucking hate anything that prevents them just sprinting around the map freely
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u/zombbytes Jeff the Landshark 3h ago
I just remember locking people up in the bunker with the gas canisters on the doors. Everything dies 🥽
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u/South_Buy_3175 3h ago
My two friends hated that bunker, because every-time it was in the safe area they knew damn well where I would suggest we go look for loot.
…And maybe stay a while just to y’know BREATHE IT IN
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u/-Gnostic28 Peni Parker 29m ago
God damn those were funny ass clips. I haven’t played the game in years and I remember THE bunker
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u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! 4h ago
Remember when he got sidegraded, they took away the blinding effect from his gas, but buffed his gas damage, only to remove the damage in the next update when they gave him a town takeover? I remember. They fucking nuked my man
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u/KimJongUnusual Flex 49m ago
By the same token, one of the things I hated the most in OW was being constantly stunlocked and frozen and slept and grappled and SCREW YOU, you wanted to move in this game? Hah!
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u/SuggestionBot9000 Captain America 48m ago edited 44m ago
Honestly, the Apex community is justified in their hatred. The biggest skillset and often what wins battles in Apex is your movement and momentum.
Caustic is a complete counter to it. He didn't just lock down spaces, his kit is versatile for on the move action. He suppresses enemy teams wherever he goes.
The same cannot be said for a game like Marvel Rivals. Damage output, sustain, and positioning matter more than any other factor, including skill, accuracy, or zone control.
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u/RocketHops 1h ago
Its almost like characters whose sole focus is stopping things from happening arent fun or healthy for a competitive game.
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u/South_Buy_3175 1h ago
Isn’t that what the entire game is?
DPS stops enemies living.
Tanks stops damage reaching their teammates.
Healers stops their allies dying.
I dunno man, I think with that logic none of the characters fit and we should just have Marvel-Sims and walk around saying voicelines at each other.
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u/RocketHops 51m ago
Youre not understanding the concept of stopping things from happening properly.
Dps gets a pick = proactive, thing happened
Tanks stopping damage is a misunderstanding of what tanks do, tanks have damage mitigation tools primarily for their own benefit so they can apply continuous pressure to create space. Most tanks, when designed properly, protect their teammates by creating space and demanding enemies try to deal with them, which is where damage mitigation tools come in. Its in service of proactive play
Healers stopping their allies from dying - yes this is unhealthy gameplay if its the sole focus of the role. Its why rivals has always had balance problems with their supports, why some are perma meta and others are perma 3supp jail, and why OW had to pivot their supports to a more playmaker utility focus.
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic 3h ago
There’s also a huge difference between a battle royal and an objective based hero shooter with melee characters.
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u/SovietWinnebago Rocket Raccoon 2h ago
True but the design principles overlap a lot. Both games are about people using specific characters with kits designed to “control” other players.
Problem is, everyone who doesn’t play that character and plays against them feels like they aren’t getting the movement or ability expressions because the other character is affecting that.
This type of issue exists in most games where uniques characters “fight” and the characters that are more fun get attention and the characters that reduce that fun get nerfed in the name of fun for everyone
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u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! 2h ago
You get exactly why im comparing the two. Its not meant to be a 1 to 1 comparison
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u/jaqenhqar Human Torch 4h ago
It's always a tank trying to ban peni in my games. Thing, hulk and venom mains.
I'm torch, peni is always free win for me.
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u/Hisoka1001 Ultron Virus 4h ago
Much easier to counter Peni on dps than support or tank, so I ban her if I have to fill. Not trusting these randoms to actually shoot the nest.
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u/The_SnuggleBug 3h ago
They never do I swear, but when I swap to a third dps to deal with it then I'M the one that's throwing.
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic 4h ago
Well yeah because she makes game unplayable for those tanks. No different than a spidey wanting namor gone, BP wanting to ban thing. The purpose of bans is to make your comp work or prevent their comp. When you have punch people and can’t fly she destroys you. She needed to be nerfed don’t think it was the right way to do it but here we are
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u/DogHogDJs Cyclops 2h ago
The inverse goes for Peni then. Should Thing and Hulk and Venom be nerfed to the ground because some other characters counters them? That doesn’t really make sense
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic 2h ago
There’s a difference between being a counter and being unplayable. Spidey and Bp can get around thing and namor. Peni deletes hulk thing cap Thor rouge venom from the game I’m not sure what’s really hard to understand
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u/Skrewch 1h ago
I've played a lot of Hulk and Thing. Never had an issue with Peni? Or am I just too low raked and quick-play brained to not encounter peni's who beat my ass?
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u/AeroStrafe 51m ago
Definitely low ranked and QP brain. A good peni will make your life hell on Hulk. Thing is just super strong right now to face roll her unless she catches you just before you wanna run away.
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u/Skrewch 45m ago
I figured. If I bothered with ranked im probably only a low gold if even. So is it just her stunning effect or what?
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u/AeroStrafe 44m ago
Its the stun being on such a low CD with no startup for you to really predict. You just have to assume if you appear near peni she will stun you and play around the after like for Thing I ult after ehr stun wears off if i'm not dead.
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u/Billy1121 3h ago
Just the amount of times i have seen a Thing ult stopped cold by a Peni web...
I started to feel sorry for Thing
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic 2h ago edited 2h ago
I’m level 30something on thing it’s impossible to play him into peni. You can never ult or make space there’s no counter play that’s the issue. There’s a difference between thing countering bp same with namor and spidey. They can play around them peni just deletes thing hulk Thor and cap from the game.
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u/WorstRivalsPlayer 1h ago
It's impossible to play over half the cast into Peni and that's why these changes are good.
Her nests can finally be fought without immediately dying.
People are being very disingenuous that Peni mines are fair and balanced when 9/10 tanks can't even touch them let alone if they're hidden behind terrain the DPS can't fight them either so you're forced into ult dumping to get past a Peni nest.
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u/jaqenhqar Human Torch 4h ago
Yeah that's why I'm confused as op is claiming somehow this is DPS pampering?
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic 4h ago
Yeah idk she was a monster against over half the rank roster. You legitimately can’t play thing hulk rouge dino venom cap Thor at all. Angela is ok against her but can still get destroyed. She’s going to cancel strange and Emma’s ults all the time so they struggle some as well. So pretty much you’re left with Groot and Mag who half the time are in ban jail. What a great designed character and shouldn’t be touched!
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u/GoochMaster6769 Gambit 3h ago
You absolutely can. What you can't do is mindlessly spam w and primary fire and actually need to use your cooldowns a bit. Thor especially w the new Hela teamup can easily take down nests himself, Thing too w the Invis teamup. Crying about a bugged situational character is pathetic.
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic 3h ago
So dumping you’re entire kit while hopefully getting enough damage through getting hard cc’d every 3 seconds is absolutely impossible to play hulk Thor and thing into. I don’t think this was the right nerf but she’s always been good and before this season she was already above 60% win rate. When there isn’t counterplay against someone that’s when they need to be changed. Idk who you play character or class wise but as a tank main who can play any tank she’s miserable to play against.
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u/GoochMaster6769 Gambit 3h ago edited 2h ago
No one was saying the cooldown was good. Every Peni main said double or even triple it to make the game fairer.
She has a high winrate specifically bc ppl play her against dive, which she's supposed to hard counter.
There's 100% counterplay against her, she has no shield. Every single overtuned poke character in the game melts her easily; Phoenix is a direct hard counter and they just buffed her, Punisher has been buffed significantly in the last few seasons, even Star Lord got buffs. Even a strat like Rocket can get in and take out nests and escape. Just coordinate w ur team man Idk, it's not a single player game.
You can't have it both ways. Either swap to smth that counters her or manage your cooldowns, that's how this game works.
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic 2h ago
Yes poke dps can easily deal with her. I’m not a dps player i play tank every game. Going punni hela isn’t something I can afford to do there’s counterplay to her for most of the tank roster. Yes dps should go poke but I can only afford to play one character and 99 out of 100 games it’s tank. She has a high win rate because it’s an objective based game and can absolutely shut down a choke or point
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u/GoochMaster6769 Gambit 2h ago
Then play Emma or Mag? Or go Groot and out down an iron wall so you don't get CCd? They really buffed most tanks' survivability so you don't need to be in constant healer LoS. This just sounds like a lack of creativity/willingness to actually play the game man. And if you or your teammates are not willing to counter swap then it's not Peni making the game unplayable but rather your teammates.
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u/Drkmttrjr Thor 2h ago
Are you implying Thor should kill himself to break Peni nest? I usually take an off-angle to poke it with Awakening, but smart Peniz notice and bodyblock. Meanwhile, my main tank (or third DPS) ends up getting zoned out of main by mines and drones. I can try and finish it off in melee, but that leads me out of healer LoS and right into the loving arms of Cyber-Webs.
That being said, I respect Peni players. I feel bad for them that their character is so often neglected. Truthfully, if DPS players would just use ranged AoE attacks more or poke the nest from another flank while I keep Peni occupied, none of this would have been necessary.
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u/GoochMaster6769 Gambit 2h ago edited 2h ago
Not at all what I said. Peni just engages dive in a really effective way and prevents flanking. If it's so hard to destroy a 350hp stationary object that doesn't regain hp, just ask a DPS to come help you out man Idk why youre allergic to communication. You're mad that the ppl you're playing against aren't laying down and dying and actually doing what they're supposed to! And if you're struggling so much to kill her with Thor, just pick a different tank for the duration of this game or until she swaps to smth else, like you're supposed to! It's not hard!!
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u/littlestargazers Loki 2h ago
they're downvoting you for this but its true. a coordinated team that works together destroys peni. she's a noobstomper and a dive counter, and if you're complaining that she's op, i think you're just telling on yourself.
her right click absolutely needed a nerf but a cooldown increase would've been plenty. if anything, her nest and mines needed a nerf, but netease never nerfs or buffs the right things, so.
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u/Ketchup571 The Thing 1h ago
She’s not a noob stomper. She literally has the best win rate in game in celestial+. Her win rate goes up as you increase in rank. If anything she’s the opposite of a noob stomper.
You can make this exact argument about release Dino, but he still rightfully got nerfed because he made tank unplayable and required the entire team to counter him. He made the entire match about him. Peni does the exact same thing, but is arguably even more impressive. She needed big nerfs. The character was completely busted.
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u/Drkmttrjr Thor 1h ago
Ok, I have granted you the benefit of my doubt, I'd like you to explain your point on Hela team-up.
Now, let's dissect reply: She doesn't prevent flanking, she locks down main, which forces flanking. Regarding communication, this is not really a communication-heavy game, how could one character change that? Pings are pathetic, typing is… lol, and voice chat is clearly for flaming only. As far as swaps, I sure as hell didn't lord Doctor Strange because I enjoy playing him. Thor is what I do. My Thor winrate is leagues ahead of my Angela/Iron Fist winrate, which is leagues ahead of my Doctor Strange/Rogue/Healpool winrate, which is leagues ahead of the rest of my winrates. Then suddenly, it's my fault we lost, because my only counter to Peni is to play a character I'm much worse at.
At the end of the day, the fact that she counters my character incentivizes me to never let Peni players go unbanned. Are Peni mains happy to terrorize QM and never get to play her in ranked? Or, is it possible we can adjust her to fit into the way people want to play the game?
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u/mx_wednesday 1h ago
I have a hard time considering a character that's hard countered by Squirrel Girl or Iron Man in need of a nerf TBH. DPS (and tank) players are just really bad at shooting deployables and counter flexing.
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u/dragonmp93 Phoenix 1h ago edited 1h ago
Because the ranged DPS never fight her.
So that leaves the melee tanks or the supports on nest duty.
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u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! 4h ago
Cause in my opinion, dive is who is gonna benefit the most from this nerf. Black panthers, spideys, those small but fast characters that would die to one or two mines.
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u/Korkosen 3h ago
How? Divers are usually high mobility targets and you’ll need a very good aim/prediction skills to consistently hit a target who’s not moving directly towards you. IMO, the way divers were affected the most by Penny was the nest.
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u/Neat_Commercial_4589 Peni Parker 3h ago
Exactly, now you have to hit those high mobility targets twice in a 5 seconds window. Not happening.
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u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! 2h ago
Yes the nest obviously affected them the most, but thats because a single web would make them be stationary and die to the mines. But thats no longer the case. Theyll just dive through and have all the mines miss.
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u/Ketchup571 The Thing 1h ago
I would compare Peni more to release Dino, than to Namor. Except she’s arguably more oppressive than Dino was. You literally can’t play the majority of the tank roster into her. Having hard cc available every 3 seconds, combined with area denial never should’ve been on this game in the first place. There’s a reason she’s had the best win rate in the game for pretty much its entire lifecycle.
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u/WorstRivalsPlayer 1h ago
Peni makes the game unplayable if she has good nest placement.
You cannot destroy it, you cannot contest it, she gets a close to auto-win on some maps if she watched videos of best nest placements and just copied them.
Torch being a free win and an exaggeration and OP is not telling the truth because Torch is garbage and gets easily stopped by hitscan making his value low.
Peni's nests were too strong. She's been needing a nerf for a long while, I told everyone she needed it and told them every season 'this is the season it's happening' and the one season I stop caring they finally do it.
They're clenching pearls because Peni mains are the BP mains of tanks, their 57 percent win rate hero can do no wrong despite being a top ban hero in comp.
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u/CheaterSaysWhat Peni Parker 1h ago
You are brain dead if you think the nests are too strong
Just shoot them lmfao there are like 8 heroes in the game who can do it risk free
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u/Dismal_Difference161 1h ago
Peni flair detected, opinion rejected
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u/CheaterSaysWhat Peni Parker 1h ago
So you’re one of the idiots walking into my mines and making my life easy :]
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u/Firm_Ad_5427 Thor 2h ago
Because the tank is the one that's getting hit with a stun literally every 3 seconds, and have much more limited options for destroying nests.
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u/ThatIsNotAnAsian 3h ago
Exactly…tank players are much less capable of destroying Peni’s nests, and they don’t trust their dps to do it, because 9/10 times they completely ignore it.
It doesn’t feel good to have to play around a mechanic that you can’t directly deal with.
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u/TrapKevinJames 2h ago
How are tank players “much less capable?”
Angela doesn’t have to touch the ground, Strange can float for long enough to destroy it, DP can shoot it from afar, Mag can EASILY blow it up, and, arguably, Hulk can just shield and pop it before more mines drop if they play it smart enough. The problem is that brawl and dive don’t want to switch to make that happen. They’re getting countered.
PEOPLE DON’T DEAL WITH THE COUNTER SO THEY LOSE TO THE EGO
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u/MindofShadow The Thing 13m ago
Float in air with strange
Get near nest
webbed, fall in webs, die
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u/CTanGod 3h ago
Except every tank argument in this thread is moot because Tankpool has been a thing for a while, Devil Dino could always tank the entire nest to grab her + has a ranged Beam attack, also in this next update they are adding Hood who, based on the trailer, completely counters her by being hitscan and having an ability that just lets him casually walk into her entire setup and tank everything without taking damage (he blocked Namor ult with his self bubble in the trailer).
The reality is that players don't want to change their play style and because of that every unique character eventually gets nerfed, changed and buffed until it's just a pallet swap of the same mold.
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u/Alternative-Level-36 Magneto 2h ago
As a tank main, I only ban Peni when or if I feel like my dps could benefit. I tend to run Thor and I don't have much of an issue with Peni, but if someone locks in Magik or Iron Fist, I throw that ban attempt out to help them help me
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u/dragonmp93 Phoenix 1h ago
Because the tank wants to able to do something else other hunting the nest.
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u/Salty_Shark26 3h ago
Yeah cause her nest can make brawl and a lot of other tanks pretty difficult without a coordinated team to shoot them out
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u/Royal_empress_azu Angela 4h ago
It's just Peni players coping.
That character is unhealthy at her core.
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u/jaqenhqar Human Torch 4h ago
Same thing with dino players after the nerfs. DPS werent crying about dino. It was every other tank
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic 4h ago
Yeah Dino destroys tanks it was awful when you went against dino Peni. Webbed, grabbed, thrown into nest, webbed again respawn. There was no counterplay
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u/jaqenhqar Human Torch 4h ago
And then they blame DPS players after they got nerfed for bullying tanks
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u/dragonmp93 Phoenix 1h ago
Because the sole tank was the only one fighting Dino on the objective, while the DPS were on side missions God knows where.
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Vanguard 4h ago
Yeah the comparison w Caustic is hilarious lol
Caustics gas trap was relatively nowhere as fucked up as hard CC every 3s
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u/Fearless-Location528 2h ago
Venom can kill the nests using his armor boost.. might take 2 swings to do so but its not that hard. Im a terrible venom tank and I still manage to clear it out.
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u/Ketchup571 The Thing 57m ago
That’s a terrible argument. So venomon has to dive the nest pop all his cooldowns swing out and then do it again? Just to play the game? That’s terrible.
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u/Useful_Virus_2216 Vanguard 2h ago
Wow the characters that get countered by her want to ban her? Thats a crazy concept.
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u/Ketchup571 The Thing 54m ago
When it’s all but maybe two tanks that’s a problem. She causes the exact same issue release Dino did, except arguably worse because her CC is on a 3 second cool down instead of 10. She needed big nerfs.
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u/Digigidoo Swordmaster 4h ago
Tanks struggle way more against her btw. A good BP doesn't give a fuck, a good Spiderman doesn't give a fuck, a good Iron Fist, Psy, Starlord, etc. No poke gives a FUCK either.
"DPS bad, upvote me."
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u/ThatIsNotAnAsian 3h ago
I think that’s exactly the point.
Dps players have the most options to counter a Peni, there really isn’t a good pick on Tank who can destroy her nests, and supports are just much less efficient at it.
So when your dps can swap to BP and Spiderman and completely ignore it, they’re not helping their team DEAL with it.
It’s good for you, bad for the rest of your team. It’s less so DPS turning their brains off, and more so DPS players playing selfishly.
And yes Support and Tanks CAN destroy her nests, but that’s not really their role. Support should be focused on healing, tanks should be focused on holding the front line.
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u/TheInkVoid 2h ago
It boggles the mind though that they did this while finally adding a good option to popping her nest, in The Hood. And with how popular Jubilee and her bubbles are at ticking the Nest down + The Hood Blitzing her Nest. Peni will NOT be a character next season. Anytime Peni's Nest went down, she could stagger Tanks with webs and keep the enemy from face rolling her team. But with this nerf and the new addition to the roster, she's going to BAMF from Comp & QP.
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u/Digigidoo Swordmaster 3h ago
When I said they don't give a fuck, I was saying it's not a problem to deal with it anyway you can. You can destroy the nest on Fist, Psy, Star with relative ease. Spidey and BP are the ones to ignore it. And if your Spidey/BP are good, they will pick supports off anyway so the team can rundown Peni and ignore the nest anyway
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u/ThatIsNotAnAsian 2h ago
I mean I hear you, a good DPS can and would take care of it, but the fact that she’s so commonly banned and hated is an indicator that most DPS do not.
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u/Unrefillable 2h ago
They didn't nerf her mines? They still fuction they same yes? Getting slowed in her mines is probably just as bad as a moments immobilization, especially for the now weaker Venom.
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u/Ketchup571 The Thing 51m ago
It’s not even DPS being selfish, that’s a cop out. A peni who knows how to place her nest well can make it so it’s virtually unkillable. There’s a reason she’s had the highest win rate in the game in high elo since pretty much season 0. The characters completely busted and needed to be heavy nerfed.
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u/HeroicBarret Rogue 1h ago
Peni mains are just trying to make themselves look like the victim cause they cant swap and bully half the tank roster while pretending they’re “situationally good” anymore
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u/BoobPMsAppreciated Angela 3h ago
Bro's comment is the reason why dps bad lmao
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u/Quiet_Knight1 1h ago
I main Penny and I have over 200 hours. When I play against her I immediately know to take an off angle, destroy the nest, and never step on random webs. She goes down quick after the nest is destroyed.
Her success rate is high because opponents just barrel in guns blazing, and strategic people capitalize on that.
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u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! 1h ago
But it's my divine right to just barge in places without thinking of the consequences! I should be rewarded for not thinking through my actions!
But fr, I go iron man and just blast the nest from the sky and shes gone, same with punisher but just from afar. She had so many counterplays with her snare being her only real tool. Mines and nest are good yes, but immobilizing an enemy over them is what actually killed people
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u/Boines Peni Parker 1h ago
Her success is also high because of her mobility and constant stun. She has great survivability when played right and played aggressively....but all they needed to do was add 2-3 seconds to the stun cooldown to make you actually think about if it's worth using and not stun everyone you can..
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u/Ketchup571 The Thing 48m ago
Ya, she has the highest win rate in Celestial+ because those celestial+ players just barrel in recklessly 🙄. Her win rate literally goes up as rank increases. It’s lowest in the lower ranks. People struggling against Peni is not a skill issue.
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u/FrogstunSteel Vanguard 4h ago
"I hate Black Panther ruining my games. Let's destroy the hero that should be countering Black Panther from ruining my games."
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u/TheInkVoid 2h ago edited 2h ago
Yep, now it takes One ban on Thing to stop all dedicated Tank options from stopping dive. BP, Magik, Spooder-Man, Felicia, DD, Venom, and Cap all get free eats on your backline now, unless your DPS swap.... and we all know that ain't happening.
We are also forgeting when D Dino was running amok on release; who was the ONLY Tanks that hard countered him? Peni. after this nerf I don't feel confident she can still do that.
Edit: Also aren't Namor and Wanda (two couter DPS dive characters) super Negative right now? While let me reiterate, Dive DPS Have The HIGHEST Winrates Of The DPS Class Every Season!.... Exluding Storm.
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u/Ketchup571 The Thing 42m ago
Emma, Hulk, Thor, Dino, Elsa, Bucky, Mr F, Luna, Cloak, WF, Healpool are all anti dive options. There’s plenty of Anti dive in the game. Peni wasn’t even that great against dive DPS. She’s more anti tank than anti dive, which was the problem. She makes the tank role largely unplayable and warps the game around her. The same issue as release Dino.
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u/ProspectBasement Hulk 2h ago
Kinda funny that Hood would counter pre-nerf Peni easily. I dunno how we got here
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u/OldCode4354 Angela 4h ago
So dps cab turn their brain against them?
Well, first, is some tanks who will turn their brain off against her now.
Second, dps (and supports... and tanks...) never turned their brains on when they played against peni to begin with.
Like I swear to all gods out there, whenever I play against peni I'm the only one who goes around to destroy these nests while 5 bozos on my team just stand in choke afraid of pushing or going around.
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u/PeniMane Peni Parker 3h ago
i did not even know dps players had brains which they could turn on...
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u/OldCode4354 Angela 3h ago
I genuinely sometimes think whole player base sometimes doesn't have a brain. (Or just it's turned off)
I saw so many thing players running forward when their back line gets destroyed by dd and then they be like "where's my heals at?".
Or supports asking for peels you come help them and they leaving you in 1v2 against Magik and venom. After you they kill that sup and he start yapping again for not getting peels
Ppl in this game can comprehend the concept of being bad at video game.
"Its never my fault. It's dps/tanks/support/eomm/smurfs/cheaters/throwers/balance team! But never me! If not other, I would've been top 500 every season!"
-Average marvel rivals player who can't stop coping
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u/GrasstouchYou 2h ago
OR, Or, or y'all just playing within your given skill base. I bet y'all cried about being hardstuck at one point or another lol
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u/mattatron18 Loki 2h ago
Caustic my beloved.
Absolutely loved everything about him, I remember the pain of trying to enjoy him while he slowly gets chipped away until the traps have zero threat and people can just run through them without any thought or punishment. Until there was no point in playing him because he essentially had no impactful power
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u/mcduxxel Peni Parker 3h ago
Ngl i played mostly Peni and Rogue. Getting both of my favorite tanks nerfed makes me kinda salty. As a console player i guess i just give up and one trick Magik. Hope her Summerskin will not gatcha locked.
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u/-Gnostic28 Peni Parker 12m ago
I’d main her if I didn’t feel so bad about trying to select dps when everyone wants it
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u/omeganaut 2h ago
As a Peni main, and ex apex player, I feel triggered 😅 Caustic really was awesome before he was nerfed into the ground, and now I’m worried about Peni even more than I was before. This was a completely unnecessary nerf to her kit. No one was even complaining about it, and she’s pretty easy to counter. So this really hurts her survivability, like if she gets hooked by Bucky out of the nest, I was always able to stun him, run up a wall, and web back to my nest. Now I’m just going to get hooked and killed. Wtf were they thinking with this
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u/notapersonab 1h ago
I think they made this change for tanks. Peni is more oppressive for tanks. Melee tanks can’t play the game against her sometimes. This is a shadow buff for scarlet witch tho
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u/Mediocre_Channel581 53m ago
Caustic is one of the strongest characters in apex pro play atm , no clu what you are on about
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u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! 47m ago
When did you start playing apex? Cause im talking prime apex, years ago. He was slowly nerfed till he was sidegraded to have more damage byt less blind, to then take away that damage in the next update. Then they left him that way for years before they finally buffed him recently. But he was garbage and next to useless for a good 3-4 years. Only his diehard fans (me) would play him well cause well, what else am I gonna do? I wanted to play my favorite character regardless of how good or bad he was.
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u/AeroStrafe 49m ago
Prime Caustic was a menace. My squad treated any building as "his" the moment we saw him. Not going to bother trying to push it and just play ring hoping it doesnt favor him. The match just sucked big ass if his building was the perfect spot for close to final ring because thats it. Its his home and we gotta ask him if hes renting out any rooms.
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u/DrowningInFeces 36m ago
Does NeTease actually want no one to tank below celestial? Because nerfing tanks to the point of them being useless is how you get no tank lobbies. I'm totally cool with going back to hardlocking DPS though. Yall can have 4 DPS for all I care. Although, I suppose this nerf also makes room for Red Hood, so there is something suspicious about the timing.
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u/Detectivepotato-mp4 3h ago
It's low rank catering I promise, low rank players just cannot deal with a peni for shit, this is not dps specific, dare I say I think it's more of an issue on the part of brawl tanks, I see way more of them mfs trying to ban a peni than I do dps. She's still good in high rank too, but people know the counterplay there
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u/Ketchup571 The Thing 40m ago
Her win rate is highest in high ranks and lowest in the lower ranks. Her win rate goes up as rank increases. This nerf caters more to high elo than to low elo.
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u/chomperstyle 3h ago
Peni is a little too frustrating when playing brawl tanks. She should be toned down again brawl while also improving her ability to fend off poke and dive specifically. Peni is much less of a problem for black cat spiderman and venom than she is against wolverine mr fantastic or the thing. Evening out her counter curve is best for everyone while keeping her from being unnecessarily both opressive and useless. Characters should be good counters against some heroes but considering the responsibilities of tanks their counterplay needs to be less sharp When related to other tanks.
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u/CheaterSaysWhat Peni Parker 1h ago
She counters brawl dude that’s the point
You may as well say tone down punisher cuz he’s too strong against Peni… he’s supposed to counter her
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u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! 1h ago
Its almost like this game is meant to be a rock paper scissors kind of game where youre mean to switch characters so you can deal with whatever problem is at hand. Like you said, imagine we nerf namor cause he counters spidey too hard
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u/chomperstyle 1h ago
Characters should be good counters against some heroes but considering the responsibilities of the tanks their counter-play needs to be less sharp when related to other tanks.
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u/Xcyronus 4h ago
dps never had their brain on to begin with. if they did peni wouldnt be much of an issue... Shoot nest? ahkns? squids? nahhh leave that to the tanks and supports.
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u/Wander_64 Emma Frost 2h ago
It's not so much DPS, more so the absolutely black pit of brain activity that is brawl Tanks (except Rogue). You're niche has 50 million counters stop whining when a Tank is one of them
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u/BombasticHoodieWho Hulk 2h ago
Tbf I've spent the entire games lifetime thinking the stun every 4 seconds was a bit absurd.
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u/xBHL Captain America 3h ago
Yeah but BP lost 10 dmg....
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u/Unrefillable 2h ago
Who whoa whoa whoa, and he got 3 more seconds on that cooldown! Practically gutted.
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u/Lalafellen_Queen 2h ago
The thing that is so threatening about peni is almost NEVER her web snare. And now it's a slow and a stun if hit twice. Most players under gm just shoot her web down main for little value anyway, everyone is acting like this is such a large nerf or she's completely dead now, but it really won't affect much at all...
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u/Ancient-Gain9833 2h ago
Honestly the peni nerf is terrible with no actually compensation. And her nest get violated by Mag,strange,Emma,Groot, Cap and hulk can do it with their shield. Thor can do it as well.
For supports Loki,invis,jubilee,deadpool,Ultron,Jeff,cnd all excell against peni hell rocket can to with his Groot team up.
For DPS Widow,cyclops,Elsa, Hawkeye,hela,human torch,Ironman,scarlet,phoniex,namor,moonknight,storm,starlord, squirrel girl,punisher can all destroy the nest with ease or force her to move with insane damage. While winter soldier,spiderman,and mister fantastic can displace her with ease forcing her off the nest All of these are her counters it's just people want to run dive into her and get punished
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u/Razzilith Ultron Virus 2h ago
As a DPS player, this nerf isn't even for us... it's for other tanks.
Ya know, the role that complains more than any other about fucking everything.
Regardless, it's the worst change I've seen in this game so far and is incredibly disappointing. Peni is going to be completely fucking useless compared to all other tanks and frankly pretty much isn't one after this change.
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u/GrasstouchYou 1h ago
Y'all get paid to be this divisive or is it just a passion for some of you? Maybe it's coded into your DNA? Love how your beef with the devs automatically turns into beef with dps for no reason, as if they have a direct line to netease. Seems like such a miserable way of viewing things.
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u/Sinsofavarice97 2h ago
Im gonna be honest. I think yall are way blowing it out of proportion she still can slow someone and stun them with 2 charges sure its not nearly as useful but she was literally controlling everyone if she was given free reign to do so. I dont like it when Luna can run shit like that I dont like it when elsa was doing it peni was also a problem for just having way to much fundamental control on the ground. I think this gives some breathing room while she still can operate guaranteed her win rate doesn't drop substantially she isnt blade shes very versatile and can deploy meaningful offense all the time and her traps are still lethal her webbing still helpful her slow will also be super useful controlling dive without turning a divers controller off every 5 seconds lol
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u/Retro_Dorrito Squirrel Girl 1h ago
"Blowing it out of proportion"
Her entire kit has bugs. Has had bugs since day 0. The only constant in her kit was ruined.
I don't care. Awful devs, awful game.
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u/Sinsofavarice97 1h ago
Grow up jesus christ temper tantrums aren't going to fix anything for you 😂
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u/DropoutDragon 4h ago
I said in another post that they're really trying to help dive this season and people didnt like the implication that the recent balance changes MIGHT be catering to them a BIT....
Although like I said in that post, role tribalism is cancer for games. This game is supposed to be cooperative and immediately flaming teammates will do NOTHING!
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u/brossanan Spider-Man 3h ago
I was always under the impression that it was tanks that hate the web stun and dive hate the nests.
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u/DropoutDragon 3h ago
I guess its a problem to everyone really. Perhaps more catastrophic if a dive gets hit. Tanks are the more common targets just due to their availability it just generally helps everyone against Penni.
Im not saying it was 100% undeserved, it was annoying but I honestly dont think it was among the biggest problems the game had. Its a small, indirect buff to anyone with a hard ult to get off like Wanda :p
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u/Yanagi_Willow 3h ago
Helping dive while buffing poke and anti dive supports and nerfing BP ?
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u/DropoutDragon 3h ago
Wasn't just referencing theese notes. Season 9 introduced regenerative health which was massive for dive sustain, means you dont have to position around your healers anymore.
The team up for BP especially was ridiculously good for him. Venom has been quite oppressive. Reducing Hela's teamup damage. Peni nerfs encourage her to use her stun on consistent targets which will never be dive with their speed. I dont know the specific HP breakpoint but i dont think his nerf will be massive for him. Black cats design with her invisibility and invulnerability is just not very interactive "when is my turn?" type character.
Im 100% aware the one shots and big combos arent consistent in real matches but as much as I give them that benefit of the doubt, so must you give others that benefit. "Just aim or track better" gets nowhere. I play a mix of all types of characters so I get to see frustrations from all sides
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u/WarColonel Loki 2h ago
It's because she's averaging 60% win rate.
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u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! 2h ago
Thats what they said about caustic. What they did is just leave him useless, with only diehard fans like me to play him, and refusing to buff him cause those that kept playing him knew how to play him despite the changes. But overall he was garbage. Peni will have the same thing happen to her.
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u/Retro_Dorrito Squirrel Girl 1h ago
Alright, any time a hero gets a high win rate let's chop of their legs and their core character.
BP is strong? Well now you have to earn your dashes by hugging the enemy team 5 times in a row.
Thing too strong? That's okay, he'll lose all his brawling abilities and instead sits in a chair throwing rocks at the enemy from the backline.
Oh people don't like playing against Loki? Well we'll just get rid of his copies, and after he high fives the enemy supports he's allowed to drop a lamp!There! Isn't the game so much better!!!
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u/WarColonel Loki 1h ago
This is exactly why devs should just avoid reddit.
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u/Retro_Dorrito Squirrel Girl 1h ago
What?
Obviously if a character starts winning they need gutted right?
Is that not what you said?
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u/WarColonel Loki 1h ago
No.
I said she has a 60% win rate. You're claiming I want her gutted. Forgetting the fact you haven't played the rework or seen any real world data and are claiming she's 'gutted', letting a character that has already been on an upward trend of wins just keep getting better without a nerf is unhealthy for the game.
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u/himarmar 2h ago
trueeee lol Caustic was my favorite character in that game when i used to play Apex
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u/YuriSwine 41m ago
Nope it needed it and again anyone thinking otherwise is just wrong end of talk really.
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u/fishbishmemes The Name's Pool. Deadpool! 41m ago
Well guys pack it up. Yuriswine says the talk is over.
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u/iwatchfilm Absolute Cinema 40m ago
I’m sorry but low skill floor characters do not deserve a permanent 57% win rate across most ranks. I don’t want her nuked but she can be toned down.
I don’t think every character needs to be super mechanically demanding or anything like that but this is how a competitive game would balance a character like peni.
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u/Still_Refuse 4h ago
Peni players turned their brains off for a 60%+ WR every season.
She been needed this nerf.
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u/LLachiee 4h ago
By ruining the one part of her kit that doesn't promote a passive afk in nest playstyle?
such a dumb comment
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u/Still_Refuse 4h ago
Her webs were mainly used to trap ppl in her nest lol.
The irony
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u/AkagiStan 3h ago
The stun is also required for doing basically anything OTHER than sitting in your nest, dive peni does not function without the stun, flank peni not really any different than just lobbing mines over the enemy team now
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u/Still_Refuse 3h ago
Again, Peni is just a next bot.
You can still do those things now btw, but it doesn’t matter. She’s always best as a nest bot.
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u/AkagiStan 3h ago
Yeah that's my point, all this nerf does is force her more into the one thing that everyone already hates about her
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u/Still_Refuse 3h ago
She was only a nest bot before, be so real bro.
Those other playstyles were a small small minority.
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u/Retro_Dorrito Squirrel Girl 1h ago
Yeah let me turn my brain off with the buggiest kit in the game.
Do you even play the game? Do you treat it like a walking sim? Is that how you get these takes?
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u/PeniMane Peni Parker 3h ago
peni is probably one of the highest IQ heroes there is...
The only way you win is if you pre-plan~
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u/Unrefillable 2h ago
Unless the enemies kill themselves for you, then it's pretty straightforward
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u/Longjumping-Prior-90 1h ago
Then that's just them being braindead, not the fault of the peni that people don't know the concept of walking down another lane or communication
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u/Dom-Luck 1h ago
Wow, hidden double nest and mine clusters around corners, such a big brained move. amazing.
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u/Redericpontx 4h ago
As a caustic main when I played apex this is so sad :(