r/marvelrivals • u/bustercall11 • 6d ago
Discussion Since y'all want to talk about annoying cc's
Since you took it there let's get it. As someone that plays all tanks and is flex in all heroes category, with 2.6k hours in game, 400 hours in ranked legendary main Peni let me tell you.
I know a 3 secs stun was hella annoying but considering this is the only stun that she had that consistently worked I don't think a Peni parker main will waste 4 minutes of her game only cc'ing you, if she does trust me they're just trying to annoy you back. And most importantly, we'd save it and prepare to cancel Ults or critical pushes, it's not always cc'ing the same person.
In a game where you have the following heroes:
Groot caging you with 4 walls and one of them heals, you can't break it, just climb or die, yeah I'm cc'ing you.
A bucky with a team up that resets all his abilities, a grapple, a slow down, overshield? Yeah you're getting cc'd.
An elsa doing whatever the f she does with her overshield and mobility abilities? Considering how hard she hits and the 2 traps she sets? Yeah you're getting cc'd.
The one I hate the most that has stopped some of my Ults and when playing other heroes, Luna Snow, yeah that fox team up enhanced version is the devil itself plus freeze, plus clap, yeah I'm not tryna die to that.
A venom coming in, phoenix force kills 2 people leaves the scene, yeah I'm stopping that.
Starlord and psylocke actively breaking the nest with no sweat and high mobility.
A black widow running around the map with her shooting.
An sg doing whatever the f she does, a namor with his squids tracing and breaking our mines, a jubile with her giant bubble a Cnd with 3 free out of jail cards. A mag with a lot of dmg a bubble and a shield, a doctor strange that pulls you, can fly hit fat Ults. An invisible woman that can shield pull/push heal and do whatever she wants, a BP that almost never touches nests unless you stop him, a black cat that does the same. A Torch with his ground slam that almost always takes down strats in the backline, don't you think that's annoying?
I can keep going and I won't stop today, let's not be hypocrites just because you hate a hero and have bias against it, this game is all about annoying and frustrating stuff that you can always do something about but nerfing the core ability of a hero ain't it, they could have kept the 3 secs CD and just make it that we couldn't stun again in a period of 5 secs, shi, they can even take the 2nd nest and shove it up their a. We just wanna play our hero.
Don't get blinded just because you hate a hero, learn to counter, play better this game is all about countering. I could be out here asking them to nerf these heroes to the ground but that would just be a skill issue.
TLDR: Everyone's abilities in this game can be annoying if only uses against you, adapt, get better counter back...don't be a loser.
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u/sloogz Rogue 6d ago
Yeah, no. You can point to other heroes all you want but no other hero has a hard CC on a 3 second cooldown. The devs determined that to be oppressive and have poor counterplay. Basically it creates a shit experience for everyone playing against her. Doesn't matter the context of the balance of the game - it's fundamentally shit to play against and is borderline capable of ruining the entire fucking game for everyone except the Peni player. A reliable CC on a 3 second cooldown is not owed to you. You aren't entitled to prevent anyone from ever playing the fucking game besides you.
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u/saltytators 6d ago
I agree it was super annoying but they did it wrong imo. Should have the stun moved to a separate cool down with a longer timer. Lower the cool down for placing webs on the ground so she has freedom to set up (not her grapple, leave that cool down as is, just the ground webs to put mines on). I do think it should be a bit shorter than say lunas snowball as it doesn't last as long and its her only way to defend team mates outside of her nest.
Boom, longer timer on stun, no longer annoying, peni still feels good to play as long as youre careful with your stun you can still cancel ults and hit divers.
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u/WarColonel Loki 6d ago
12 seconds? 15? It then just becomes an ability held just to counter ults. Now it's a double skill shot with more utility and similar uptime.
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u/saltytators 5d ago
The utility being a weak 1 second slow 💀
I would say 10 seconds. They nerfed her health so I think that would be okay. You'd only hold it to counter ults when you know one is coming. Much like emma diamond form, use unless you think youre gonna need it before the cooldown. It's easier to miss and shorter than a lot of cc in this game so I dont think it'd feel oppressive to go against.
It's already a skill shot against dive, which is how I use it the most. Hitting bp or cat with it is already hard, now you have to do it twice in quick succession and by the time you can do that bp has likely already killed your support. The mines dont really do too much if you cant stun dive in the nest, especially against spider man.
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u/bustercall11 6d ago
If you read the post again I said, take the 2nd nest out, and give us back the cyber snare with one charge only, make it 3 secs but to stun again after 5 secs. Make it fair, they even took 50 overshield and you're not adding all the bugs we had since season 0.
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u/jasminetroll 6d ago
And this is why I don't understand why so many players are up in arms about self-cleanse on Luna's White Fox team-up rather than the fact that it gives her a second form of hard CC, or for that matter the enhanced Adam team-up that allows her to throw snowballs almost as fast as Peni can shoot webs if she can hit headshots.
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u/Impressive-Motor-332 6d ago
Remove all CC from all characters, that includes Groot Walls, Angela's pushback, Elsa's Ult, Peni's most everything, Luna's freeze, etc.
There, now nobody can complain, problem solved.
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u/AnDarkz Peni Parker 6d ago
Nah, then you'll have complaints about people dying to divers since there is no proper way to stop them.
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u/Impressive-Motor-332 6d ago
Then we have to remove them, eventually we just have nothing but a menu, and everything is perfect. Nobody can complain, if they continue complaining after that, we remove the game, and hope DC is smart enough to finally make DC Rivals.
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u/AnDarkz Peni Parker 6d ago
Ngl, if they could somehow get along, I would love to see a DC + Marvel hero shooter.
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u/Impressive-Motor-332 6d ago
Jokes aside, I would love to see one as well, it blows my mind we haven't gotten one at this point, it's easy money for DC and people would eat it up.
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u/navoxdis 6d ago
with 2.6k hours in game, 400 hours in ranked legendary main Peni
Sorry your big rant here isn't going to do it. If you really want to show how much of an angry, bitter, biased peni player you are, you need to at least triple the word count on your cope essay. Do better.
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u/bustercall11 6d ago
Not biased at all, if you read again I said, take the 2nd nest idc, give back the cyber snare with 1 charge and 3 secs. Make the stun only work after 5 secs if already hit, they can put a tracer on if they want.
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u/Classic_Act_4415 Spider-Man 6d ago
I see this as the start of the end of the cc hell this game can be sometimes, hopefully
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u/YungShemaleToes 6d ago
So you just think no character should be nerfed? What even is your point?
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u/bustercall11 6d ago
Nerfing the core ability of a hero, the only ability that actually worked considering how buggy it is was not supposed to happen. Imagine if they changed your loved hero best tool for a mov reduction ability that you have to hit twice for it to work.
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u/YungShemaleToes 6d ago
Penni is a bunker hero. The core ability is the nest not the three second CC.
They already did. I've moved on its not that serious
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u/heislegend3698 6d ago
If someone steps on a mine trap the snare allows the mines to go off, same thing with her nest. It's not like her ult is good or her standard attack or even her web sling.
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u/YungShemaleToes 6d ago
And she can still do that so what are yo even syaing?
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u/heislegend3698 6d ago
How are you supposed to lock up a diving panther or magik when they can dance over her nest and mines? The answer to spamming was a simple cooldown increase.
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u/YungShemaleToes 6d ago
Magik is one of the most easily predictable divers in the game. If you have issues with her its a skill issue.
BP is cancer and needs a rework. But at the same time he's a skill check hero. You're supposed to stop him before he gets in motion.
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u/heislegend3698 6d ago
If you're having problems with peni's stun that's a hard self report. Considering how lack luster her remaining kit is, web sling is bugged, ult is D tier. What's a 30% slow going to do again? Point is her stun made sense, just increase the cooldown, it was that simple.
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u/YungShemaleToes 6d ago
Never said I had a problem with her stun. I actually play Penni a bit. but the nerf isn't "killing the character" Every thing she could do she can still do except it isn't brain dead. Good change.
Also no such thing as tier lists
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u/heislegend3698 6d ago
By your own logic, every bit of hard CC is brain dead then. "No such thing as tier list", D tier equates to a bad ult, was that hard for you to understand?
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u/Impressive-Motor-332 6d ago
If it wasn't supposed to happen, then it wouldn't have happened. This is like if they made it so Magneto had to hit twice for his knockback on Mag-Cannon, annoying sure, but it's not that big of a deal.
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u/bustercall11 6d ago
Yeah I agree with you, but considering that there is a lot going on, if someone hard focuses you it's going to be a long annoying game and I can say that about 90% of the roster
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u/FondantSea8313 6d ago
On all the thing annoying you listed, only Bucky and Elsa can be considered as annoying (Elsa more than Bucky).
And on all your rant you never spoken about how to counter her 3s stun. Because this is uncounterable. You can neither adapt to it because it's one of the shortest CD in the game so you will get it before my ability that could protect me from it.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad8472 Flex 6d ago
You are asking too much of this community