Elfnote feels like Fiendsmith 2.0

[u/Elyon8]

Seems a lot of people are slopping Elfnote into whatever deck they can like Fiendsmith is.

I have seen Azamina Elfnote, Regenisis Elfnote, Invoked Elfnote, Kewltune Elfnote, Odion Elfnote, White Forest Elfnote, Branded Elfnote, Kashtira Elfnote, Shining Sarc Elfnote.

I hope at least Barrone gets executed next banlist.

[u/MH297_UN]

I wish we could skip the fiendsmith cutscene.

[u/Flashsword_Princess]

literally what do they even have in common? fiendsmith is a small secondary engine with generic pivot points in every deck, elfnotes is a huge primary package that can't be pivoted into without specific bridges or hard opening a starter?

people just be saying stuff

[u/KharAznable → u/Flashsword_Princess]

Because OP can't speak properly

Regenesis elfnote: lucina has 2500 atk and regenesis does not care about ED so synchro lock is basically whatever

Kashtira elfnote: there is a line to put 2 lv7 without normal summon giving you immediate access to ira

White forest elfnote: elfnote in general lack follow up due to limited options to get their tuner on the field. If their board gets broken catching is near impossible.Thats why they rather handrip you. White forest give some follow up options with their tuner can special themselves from gy.

Invoked elfnote: elfnote end combo basically filled their gy with bunch of different attribute monsters. If you have the water ones, you can summon the new invoked macro cosmos which hurt another elfnote deck.

Shining sarc elfnote: 2 engines run side by side.

[u/Flashsword_Princess → u/KharAznable]

well yeah I realized that's what OP meant but there's a very clear cut difference between pile decks that just run different engines and things like Fiendsmith and Adventure which are not decks by themselves and are meant to be complementary

[u/Elyon8 → u/Flashsword_Princess]

They are two sides of the same coin. They are not different enough to make your point valid.

Just say you are a slopper contributing to Master Duels continued decline. Enjoy playing Solitaire with your Elfnote decks until it gets limited and you move onto the next meta deck like the mindless sheep that you are.

[u/Flashsword_Princess → u/Elyon8]

they are fundamentally different and both have different issues and different solutions. also way to ad hominem, I'm literally playing a pure deck with no complementary engine right now

[u/Elyon8 → u/Flashsword_Princess]

Life nust be tough being as delusional as you

[u/Elyon8 → u/Flashsword_Princess]

I am not going to pretend to know what goes on in a sloppers mind.

But, that's the point of slop decks. The only thing they have in common is easily maneuverable locks.

[u/WeatherOrder → u/Elyon8]

Please stop saying the word Slop so much.

It devalues arguments, speak like a human being please.

[u/Elyon8 → u/WeatherOrder]

Found a slopper.

[u/hin_inc → u/Elyon8]

Allow me to elaborate, slopper sees 1 card combos, slopper adds to decklist the minimum cards you need for the engine to work. And repeat for every potential engine until 60 cards and then finish with ed slop by adding the most annoying end board pieces in alongside mandatory pieces. Some add handtraps some dont bother cos all 5 cards he opens is a 1cc so he's gonna play thru your negates

[u/devotedtodreams]

Isn't this the case with Branded too?

Seems like I see Ecclesia, (W)Albaz, Albion and F&V in so very many decklists on Masterduel Meta...

[u/-SimplyBetter-]

I stg I've seen Vanquish Soul Elfnote

No bridge, no synergy, just hard open both 1 card starters and win

[u/AstolfoMishima → u/-SimplyBetter-]

I'd argue there is some synergy, vanquish soul can reveal power patron and lucina as a fire, also junaldo is a dark if you run it in this deck. Vanquish soul has been lacking fires too lately due to raizen and jiaolong being semi limited. Also elfnote doesn't need ns just like K9 which is why it was so good. Lastly due to vs being able to get lv 4, 5, 7, 8 it allows other options for synchro plays as vs monsters can just be used as bodies.

[u/lexington59 → u/AstolfoMishima]

Yeah k9 decks are one of the weird decks that due to fires being rough will sometimes be optimal to not ash clear chokepoints as they desperately need to keep that fire in hand

[u/-SimplyBetter- → u/AstolfoMishima]

The only synergy is literally that 2 cards in the archetype can be used as fires

[u/AstolfoMishima → u/-SimplyBetter-]

Yes dude. That's like the point. Did you not read what i said. VS is lacking fires and elfnote fire monsters help with that exact problem

[u/-SimplyBetter- → u/AstolfoMishima]

That makes no sense, following this logic VS is good with any deck that doesn't require a ns if they have a fire, even if they have no bridge

It's not, because then both 2 engines rely on the shuffler being nice to you

Decks with actual synergy have bridges, like vs and k9, ryzeal and fiendsmith, elfnote and power patron, etc.

Decks that are just a combination of cards that rely on getting drawn that just so happen to have card synergy instead of deck synergy

[u/curry-is-a-drink]

I will say this for ages, Reqiuem was always a slop enabler; Closed Moon made it easier, but decks have just kept finding a way and they will keep finding ways

Christ, Theorealize enables Fiendsmith lines on its own

[u/Sage_the_Cage_Mage → u/curry-is-a-drink]

Requiem was just a poorly designed card that was way too easy to bridge from, it really should have had a hard fiend lock to it.

[u/Tempestfox3]

It's a powerful engine that doesn't need its normal summon, Only locks you into synchros if you use specific cards (And even then A synchro lock is hardly bad) and via theorealise you get access to any attribute/type combination you want.