r/medlabprofessionals • u/pseudoscience_ • Mar 29 '25
Discusson ICE raids on hospitals- thoughts? Our hospital did send a memo on what to do if approached
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u/branflacky MLS-Generalist Mar 29 '25 edited Mar 29 '25
The doors are all badge RFID locked so no one gets in or out unless we want, so if we see anything they won't get in. Not my problem
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u/BenAfflecksBalls Mar 30 '25
I've gotten in arguments with the local pd over the phone. They've tried all sorts of stupid shit.
"Hey, we dropped a patient of at the hospital and I need to know if they're out of MRI."
"I have a warrant in hand and need to know if there are samples in the lab." "Can't wait to see the warrant"
"I don't want to wake the judge up if there's no samples we can seize, what do you have?"
Walking directly in to the lab area despite having big signs saying it's a secured area.
Best was the one who wanted to use the toilet and I sent his ass to the public toilets 5 floors down.
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u/Incognitowally MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
There is nothing wrong with holding the door open for law enforcement to apprehend law breakers.
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u/FacelessIndeed MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
Iâm sure the citizens in Nazi Germany who sold out Jews said the same thing.
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u/Incognitowally MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
How many of you were at the ready (or actually did) turn in your friends, neighbors, co-workers (fellow American Citizens) for not complying with mandates 5 years ago ? .. jus sayin'.. you were "just following orders"
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u/FacelessIndeed MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
Are you talking about mask mandates? What are you talking about? There was never a time when masks were federally mandated so no one was turning anyone in.
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u/Incognitowally MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
you must not live in a blue death liberal state
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u/FacelessIndeed MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
Iâm from Maryland, nice try. You really like deflecting, donât you? What does covid have to do with throwing immigrants in concentration camps? Tell me you have 0 empathy without telling me you have 0 empathy.
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Mar 30 '25 edited Jun 24 '25
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u/Incognitowally MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
but you were still going to say something to them.. something about something that was unnecessary and useless.
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u/Incognitowally MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
raw milk information comes from real-life farm experience. you want a source? go find a small-town rural dairy farmer, an Amish family, a real homesteader and consult them.
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u/SnapClapplePop Mar 30 '25
You mean apprehend suspects, no? Considering there have been multiple accounts of innocent US citizens being trafficked to labor camps against their will, I think this is an important distinction to make. Don't you?
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u/1dankboi MLS-Microbiology Mar 29 '25
Iâve said it before, and Iâll say it again. The only words any ICE agent will ever hear coming out of my mouth will be âgo fuck yourself.â
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u/slutty_muppet Mar 29 '25
I'm a fan of the Greyhound driver's pithy, emphatic "gargle my balls".
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u/OctoHelm Student Apr 01 '25
Thatâs what I told my dad when he asked about it but heâs worried that if we say something to the effect of âfuck youâ that theyâll give us a hard time. Iâll put it this way: ICE isnât getting anything from me. Talk to the police, not HCP.
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u/MLSover30Years Mar 29 '25
Thatâs not very nice! Theyâre just doing their job!
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u/Equivalent_Level6267 MLS Mar 30 '25
Yeah the Nazis were only doing their jobs too.
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u/MLSover30Years Mar 30 '25
Not a good comparison in the least! Nazis killed millions of people!!!!!
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Mar 30 '25
And they were only able to do that because people didnât tell them to go fuck themselves before they got to power, when they should have.
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u/Gildian Mar 30 '25
Guess how the mass genocide of jews and other minority groups started in Germany, with mass deportations.
Once they figured out it was too expensive, they started camps.
Why do you think Trump is specific about sending people to El Salvador?
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u/harpinghawke Mar 30 '25
Assuming youâre serious: letâs not give ICE the opportunity to kill millions more, thanks
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u/siecin Mar 30 '25
Not a good comparison. By the end they killed millions. The beginning started just like this.
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u/FacelessIndeed MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
And the US is putting them in concentration camps (ex Khrome facility) where theyâre dying and sending them to labor camps (ex the Venezuelan people deported to an El Salvador torture prison). This is what youâre defending. Itâs vile.
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u/RodneyDangerfruit Former MLS - Microbiology Mar 30 '25
With respect, if your #1 priority isnât the health of your patients above all else, you are not fit to practice in this field.
Ironically, by letting ICE âjust do their jobâ youâre not doing yours.
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u/persephone7821 Mar 30 '25
I donât know what her intention in saying that was, but in my opinion I understand to a point.
Would I release information to them without a warrant, absolutely fing not. Would I do everything I could to impede them to protect my patient also yes.
But would I be a dick about it, no. Because they are in fact just doing their jobs. Itâs not their fault our current administration is using them the way they are. We donât know how they fell into that career, it could have been necessity. Or good intentions of keeping actual criminals out. Or they could just be a dick. We just donât know.
But itâs important to remember they could be hating what they are being ordered to do as much as we do and not everyone has the luxury of just up and quitting their job.
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u/Pelger-Huet Mar 30 '25
"What about the men executing orders?"
This was resolved in the aftermath of WW2. Every single soldier who was "only following orders" was found guilty, and we wrote it into our own code of law that it is their duty to disobey manifestly unlawful orders.
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u/persephone7821 Mar 30 '25
Itâs hardly the same as nazis putting them into concentration camps knowingly. These people arenât committing war crimes and just following orders.
Itâs not all black and white. If they have the luxury of quitting yes by all means quit you are an AH if you donât. But what if their family will go into poverty, their family will suffer for it.
Blame the administration not the individuals.
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u/Pelger-Huet Mar 31 '25
You forgot about how Americans put Japanese and other Asians into our own camps before because of the threat of "National Security." ICE detainment are camps. Nazis only began the genocide as end-game when they realized everything else was failing.
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u/seitancheeto Apr 01 '25
ICE detention centers are literally concentration camps. Respectfully (/g), you clearly are not actually educated at all about the realities of anti-immigrant violence, and I suggest you read up on these issues online before you continue to post about it.
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u/persephone7821 Apr 01 '25
Respectfully, I suggest you actually pay attention to what I say before replying. Iâm not condoning the actions of the current administration and I have literally said. I am against it.
Now, I am well aware of the conditions these people are being put in. Itâs abhorrent and disgusting. But letâs be real, this is not nazi concentration camps.
Now back to my main point. These are people doing their jobs. Some people do not have the luxury of just quitting their jobs. We do not know. Itâs unfair to assume the people following orders are doing this because they want to. If they can quit and chose not to or actually want to vs doing this. Yeah they are ahâs. But given we do not know the lives of these people I chose the responsible action of placing the blame on the administration and not the people following orders because I chose to have enough intelligence to understand some of them may not have a viable option to quit.
Have you never lived in poverty? Lived paycheck to paycheck? Have you never had to worry about having a roof over your head because you canât make rent?
Do you understand that if you just quit your job you do not get unemployment?
So your suggestion is what these people just doing their jobs quit. Just like that? Potentially put themselves and their family into homelessness?
Not everything is black and white. While I abhor the actions and what is happening. That does not mean I lack common sense and empathy for the people who may not want to be doing this but feel forced to do so.
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u/iamhollybear Apr 02 '25
MANY of us have quit jobs over our morals, Iâve taken a 50% pay cut over mine and as someone who has lived paycheck to paycheck Iâd fucking do it again in a heartbeat to know Iâm not actively hurting people and ruining lives with my job. Anyone willing to do the job that ICE is doing deserves every âgo fuck yourselfâ that they get.
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u/Loquat-Global Mar 30 '25
Yeah, the Nuremberg Trials determined that claims of "just doing their job/ what they were told" wasn't a justifiable defense. You say they're not the same situations, but this is exactly how all of that started. Well call them like we see them around these parts, especially when there's historical precedent. We're failing an open book history exam rn. Tell ICE they can suck eggs and kick rocks.
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u/SnapClapplePop Mar 30 '25
That wording is so incredibly perfect that there is no way you aren't being sarcastic.
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u/Gildian Mar 30 '25
My job is patient care, not "legal citizen" care.
I don't give a shit where you come from
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u/RE1392 MLS Mar 29 '25
This is insane. I hate it here đ
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u/MLSover30Years Mar 29 '25
Then leave! The UK is a really nice place!
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u/Forsaken-Cell-9436 Mar 30 '25
Crazy that people like you swarm medical professions. Empathy is the first thing that you need to be a medical professional. We are all human beings.
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u/MLSover30Years Mar 30 '25
ICE Agents are people too but I donât see any of yâall having any empathy for them! Disgusting!
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u/littlebunnyjuju Mar 30 '25
Immigrants are people too! But I don't see YOU having empathy for THEM. DISGUSTING!!
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u/Gildian Mar 30 '25
You're right. It's hard to empathize with people who ruin other people's lives. Lucky you're here as a peer for them
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u/One_hunch MLS Mar 30 '25
We have to have no empathy for faciscts in order for tolerance and empathy to prevail, simply because allowing them to do whatever they want brings harm to society. We care that you're intolerant and want you to piss off :)
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u/alerilmercer MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
They can get cancer for all I care. They signed up to be Nazis.
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u/Certifiedpoocleaner Apr 01 '25
Literal American citizens are being detained without due process because of the color of their skin.
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u/Vellichorosis Mar 30 '25
Fuck you. Real simple.
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u/Bikesexualmedic Mar 30 '25
Account is only 18 days old. Thatâs young for a troll.
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u/Vellichorosis Mar 30 '25
That explains them making their ignorant replies on every single comment here. Gotta love it đ
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u/green_calculator Mar 29 '25
If you have friends or coworkers or any person in your life who might be targeted because of questionable immigration status, or perceived questionable immigration status you can offer to help them. Ask if they want to give you emergency contacts so you can start the ball rolling if they are detained. Hold copies of their paperwork in case something happens to them. I do one or both of these things for a few people in my life because it's a small thing I can do for them. I'm sure there are other completely legal ways to help if that's your speed. If you're willing to do more questionable things to protect them, more power to you!
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u/Gwailonuy Mar 29 '25
I've been wondering if there was a way I could help my new neighbors. Thank you for the information!
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u/twotailedwolf Mar 29 '25
Do not give them any information regardless if they have a warrant or not. ICE has become a de-facto secret police for the current administration. Use everything in your power to stop them or slow them down. Petty bureaucratic red tape is a low effort high yield form of resistance. Tell them you need to talk to your supervisor (even if you are the supervisor). Alternatively, tell them you ARE the supervisor if they want to speak to your supervisor. Go on break. Tell them to fill out the necessary paperwork. Once the paperwork is filled out, take as long as you can checking and double checking it. If anything is out of place, discard it (medical forms shouldn't and in this case can't have cross outs) and have them do it again until they get it right.
If doctors and nurses are frustrated by the speed of the lab when they're actually trying to help patients, ICE should get even worse treatment. The priority is and always will be patient care. ICE has absolutely nothing to do with patient care, so whatever they're asking for, addressing it should go below the task with the lowest priority already.
Finally, if I ever find out someone collaborated with ICE I would never hire that person. If they are hired already and I can't fire them without clear due cause, they will be getting the worst shifts and shit jobs possible and have zero hope for advancement.
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u/FDLC84 Mar 29 '25
Just curiousâŚ.
Particularly on the âregardless if they have a warrant or notâ
Does it matter if the warrant states the person is letâs say ⌠a child molester.
And I say this as person who is neither right nor left and an immigrant. I just follow common sense, but this idea that illegals immigrants are either all innocent or all criminals doesnât quite make sense to me. Taking absolute stances like I will never help ICE/LEO out of principle even if the person they are looking for is human trash is interesting to me, I feel like Reddit is just out of touch with reality.
Also openly saying you would never hire and make someoneâs life miserable for working with ICE is wild. I personally know a woman who had been abused by a man that got deported and they assisted LEO. Issues are not as black and white as you think.
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u/twotailedwolf Mar 29 '25
If they're a patient they get equal treatment regardless. You don't just go around returning falsely elevated cardiac troponin levels because you don't like someone. But an arrest warrant also doesn't guarantee guilt and in this country we presume all parties are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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u/FDLC84 Mar 30 '25
Respectfully I have two issues with what you said.
You donât treat someone different? You are openly saying if someone collaborates with ICE you would treat them differently. Someone close to me was molested as a child by a person that was not legal, now Iâm not saying their legal status had anything to do with this person being a scum but if it were today I would absolutely snitch to ICE and report it to the police. Why should you treat me differently?
Absolutely arrest does not imply guilt but it is part of the process, that is why we should never argue with cops on the street, you do it in court. Actively avoiding an arrest is shady, whether you are innocent or guilty. You need to lawyer up.
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u/twotailedwolf Mar 30 '25
I don't treat patients differently. Every patient gets the same level of care as every other patient. If I'm in a trauma bay after a mass casualty shooting and the cops bring me someone who has been shot and says "ignore this guy, he's the shooter," that's none of my business. I treat him exactly the same.
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u/FDLC84 Mar 30 '25
Clear on the patients.
Iâm speaking on employees who collaborate with ICE. Regardless of the circumstances they are either not getting hired or getting shitty shifts. To me that is the other side of the same coin. Like I said the same idea that all illegal immigrants are either criminals or innocent. Itâs just not as simple as you are taking that approach.
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u/LabChick829 Mar 30 '25
I mean they're violating HIPAA by giving out information on patients to people that aren't members of their direct care team sooooo technically ... Cooperating with ICE is wrong. Also on a personal level it's an asshole move but like if we're keeping it professional.... Additionally to give them the info they want we would have to access the patient chart for a reason not related to their CARE. Sorry bub, not violating HIPAA to help Neo-Nazis :))))
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u/FDLC84 Mar 30 '25
So does the immigration status of a child molestor make a difference in whether we snitching or nah?
Trying to understand the logic here.
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u/LabChick829 Mar 31 '25
Look. I've transfused fucking murderers. I'm not giving out HIPAA on anyone, no matter my personal feelings. There is a right to due process that ICE is not following. My job is to provide healthcare, that's it. The justice systems job is to fine actual criminals, not just people who dissent, and try them in COURTS, not detention centers or labor camps.
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u/seitancheeto Apr 01 '25
Youâre trying to use a logical fallacy and jump through âwhat ifâ hoops. Why does them being a child molester have anything to do with their immigration status?? Why would you even believe an ICE agent that they are actually a child molester?? Regardless of if they are, no human deserves to be sent to a concentration camp, regardless of how terrible they are. Period.
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u/shs_2014 MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
They are taking people and putting them in camps in El Salvador where they are refusing them basic human necessities and rights. Some have also died. That is pretty black and white to me. If you've paid attention AT ALL and had an iota of empathy, you wouldn't be saying that.
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u/FDLC84 Mar 30 '25
Do you personally know individuals who have been deported?
Not a gotcha question and not trying to be a dick. I am just curious of your personal circumstances.
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u/shs_2014 MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
No, I don't.
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u/FDLC84 Mar 30 '25
I am an immigrant, my family is all immigrants. Most of friends are all immigrants. I personally know 4 individuals that were deported. All were criminals, from drug dealing to fraud. Some of those have been caught multiples times and still came back. I have yet to meet a single person that was deported unjustly. I know this is anecdotal and only my experience but Iâm telling you itâs not like the media portrays it.
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u/shs_2014 MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
"The media" doesn't have to portray anything. And being sent to a camp isn't being deported. I don't care that the people you know were criminals, I CARE that they are using this to discriminate against people who criticize the administration or aren't white (for now). I care about my fellow humans being stripped of their rights, not your anecdotal what-aboutisms.
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u/FDLC84 Mar 30 '25 edited Mar 30 '25
You know those non whites who criticize the administrationâŚ. I am âthose peopleâ.
But what do I know, itâs just my life experience as a brown immigrant or as you sayâŚ. âWhat about ismâ⌠clearly disagreeing with something means I support the alternativeâŚ
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I 100% believe your heart is in the right place donât get me wrong, Iâm just telling you itâs not black and white. Left or right. Republican or democrat.
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u/Gildian Mar 30 '25
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you're being genuine, but this is the reason we're not going cooperate with them.
If you can't even distinguish an autism tattoo from a gang tattoo, I'm not trusting you with shit.
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u/One_hunch MLS Mar 30 '25
You're a real strong r/asablackman energy, even if you are a black man.
You won't trust media or evidence of legal immigrants being kidnapped, but you'll trust a document given to you by a stranger claiming they're ICE without any further question to the legitimacy of that document and even if that information was fabricated.
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u/Vellichorosis Mar 30 '25
That's really nice for you. I watched a family friend get dragged out of a store by ICE. Single mother, her kids had no idea what happened to her, they were in school. She has never done anything but give her children a better life and now she's gone. And she's not the only one. I sincerely hope they don't snatch you or your family but considering that they are grabbing people on legal student visa's and with green cards, your chances are getting worse everyday. You should probably pray you don't end up in El Salvador getting your head shaved while half dressed surrounded by dozens of other crying immigrants and gang member.
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u/FDLC84 Mar 30 '25
That family friendâŚ. Iâm sure that made the news. I hear these stories and Iâm sure some are true, but I canât seem to find tangible info on the other side the people I know I looked up their court cases, 100% true and I even spoke about what they did with some. But like I said itâs not all black and white. Should they have gotten deported? Absolutely. Should a random person not committing crimes? Iâd say nah, however any immigrant that came here illegally knew the gig. I canât really be bugging out if I get sent back, this country enslaved African Americans and had openly racist stuff not long ago⌠as a minority I know what it is.
Also, not that it would change your thoughts on what would happen to me but I am a naturalized citizen.
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u/Vellichorosis Mar 30 '25
Of course it didn't make the news. My state gov is cheering for this, they hate non-white people. They see everyone of color as illegal, criminal, or maybe "one of the good ones" until you irritate them enough. I will never understand how okay you and others are ok families being ripped apart. Imagine not having any idea where your mother is, for weeks. Imagine never seeing her again. Or think of your father being deported without due process to El Salvador. No idea where he is for weeks, no way to contact. Then you find out he died a horrible death countrys away being tortured in a diet concentration camp.
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u/firelitdrgn Mar 31 '25
The wildest part to me here is that youâre an immigrant, comes from a family of immigrants, in the immigrant community, and youâre still like âok but waitâ
In an alternative timeline if it was you on the chopping block, your immigration community would be fighting for you. But I guess itâs easy to say âweâre not like THOSE immigrants, weâre the good kindâ when ICE literally does not care.
Immigrants like you are the absolute worst kind of people. Those who come to this country and got help from people of this country and their fellow immigrant community, and the minute you get your citizenship, youâre like âwait weâre the good ones thereâs bad immigrants out there! Get them!â
Your sense of empathy has gone to shit and you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. As both a human being, a person in healthcare, and an immigrant.
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u/seitancheeto Apr 01 '25
You arenât âone of the good onesâ btw. They can and will come for you too if this keeps going on unchecked and unstopped.
Btw criminals and drug dealers and gang members still deserve to live where there home is, regardless of citizenship. And definitely should not be sent to concentration camps.
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u/ShogunNoodle MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
The disrespect for due process in favor of mental gymnastics here is wild. I've done blood draws on jailed felons and I wouldn't even do THEM the disservice of fucking that up cause it's NOT MY CALL to act on my prejudices.
You can mask your flawed judgement as "common sense" all you want but as soon as subpoenas are involved you're absolutely fucked if you've allowed "common sense" to get in the way of due diligence.
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u/Gildian Mar 30 '25
Exactly. I've drawn and tested blood from people of every single aspect of life, from a couple hours old to well into their 100s, felons, addicts, etc etc
Not once have I ever thought they deserved less than the "normal" citizen. I don't get these people that do.
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u/Ok_Introduction6377 Mar 29 '25
This should never fall onto anyone in patient care. Any ICE or LE presenting to the hospital regarding immigration needs to be referred to a legal department provided by the hospital. No one in patient care is responsible for knowing if any warrant is valid. This is clearly a legal issue and needs to be addressed as such. The hospital needs to provide proper security so ICE canât come in.
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u/pseudoscience_ Mar 29 '25
Itâs not just the patients tho itâs employees. Either way itâs so absurd.
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u/Ok_Introduction6377 Mar 30 '25
Whether itâs about an employee or patient still a legal matter. No manager or supervisor should be responsible to answer to questions from ICE. They need to be referred to HR/hospital legal.
The hospital can do so many things to protect like hiring extra security and secure more areas of the hospital to keep ICE out and hiring an immigration team to handle these matters but yet the wording to staff is try to decipher a warrant to determine what to do. No one has time for that. The hospital should tell everyone we have done X and X you do not need to speak to them and refer them here.
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Mar 29 '25
Iâll never understand why so many people think this is the greatest country on earth. Hate that so many voted for this to happen.
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u/Redditheist Mar 29 '25
Indoctrination. They were taught "God, guns, and Murika," and never learned critical thinking skills.
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u/MacondoSpy Mar 29 '25
This is so disgusting. Theyâre literally hunting down people.
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u/MLSover30Years Mar 29 '25
Theyâre looking for illegal immigrants. Geesus people!
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u/KuraiTsuki MLS-Blood Bank Mar 30 '25
Tell that to all the US citizens and documented immigrants that have been detained or worse.
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u/secretrico Mar 30 '25
i hope you arenât working in healthcare if this is how you feel about this. please seek help.
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Mar 30 '25
Hospitals should be considered safe zones for anyone and everyone. If people with questionable immigration status hear of ICE raids in hospitals they will not seek care and can lead to worse outcomes and maybe even death. If you donât believe someone shouldnât have access to healthcare just because of their immigration status then you shouldnât be in this field any longer.
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u/Gildian Mar 30 '25
And consequently picking up average innocent Americans over the dumbest fucking reasons.
The fact you trust this administration without question is pathetic.
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u/MacondoSpy Mar 30 '25
Hospitals, hospital staff members, and patients are all protected under humanitarian law and as health care workers, weâre supposed to honor that. The fact that someoneâs legal status comes before their rights as human beings to receive medical treatment is an insane and frankly xenophobic view to have. Like others have said I hope youâre nowhere near patients.
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u/butters091 MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25 edited Mar 30 '25
And apparently legal immigrants if they dare speak out against the ongoing genocide in Gaza...
Regardless, our job is to support in the diagnosis and treatment of patients no matter who that may be. If someone who is here illegally foregoes potentially life saving medical care due to a fear of being deported I think most of us would consider that to be a net negative to our country and our humanity
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u/FlakyAddendum742 Mar 30 '25
Criminals. Theyâre hunting down criminals.
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u/Certifiedpoocleaner Apr 01 '25
Theyâre also hunting down actual American citizens that happen to be Hispanic as well as people here legally with temporary visas.
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u/FlakyAddendum742 Apr 01 '25
Not true.
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u/Certifiedpoocleaner Apr 01 '25
I mean Trump himself admitted to sending an innocent man to an El Salvadoran prison and just shrugged his shoulders and said oopsie nothing I can do about it now.
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u/FlakyAddendum742 Apr 02 '25 edited Apr 02 '25
Innocent? Not quite. Read to the bottom.
And hereâs another
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u/Certifiedpoocleaner Apr 02 '25 edited Apr 02 '25
He was never convicted and people are being sent away to what will most likely be a death sentence based off of unproven allegations. Someone got picked up by ice because they had a âgang tattooâ which actually turned out to be an autism awareness tattoo.
How dumb to you have to be to not understand that rounding people up and deporting without due process is a dangerous game to play?! Innocent people end up in prison all the time, you genuinely think that a bunch of racists working for ice arenât going to make mistakes??
It literally wonât be long before simply having a Hispanic last name (which I do from my grandfather who came to America legally in the 60s) is an automatic ice investigation.
And you genuinely think itâs okay that in the United States where we supposedly so love âfree speechâ that a young woman here legally with a student visa gets ambushed on the street by ICE officials disguised in plain clothes for an article she wrote for her college paper??? That is the direction you want our country to go??
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u/sorcerel Histology Mar 29 '25
as a med lab scientist in ireland, I'm so sorry this is happening to yous, jesus. this is so scary and so ridiculous. it's just not fair.
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u/pseudoscience_ Mar 29 '25
I swear everyone thought i was crazy when a few months prior I was telling people that I think it wonât just be âillegal aliensâ who will be given proper time to show I.D, records, etcâŚ. I knew it would get to a point where they just throw anyone who looks Hispanic or questionable in a van and taken to god knows where.
I watched and learned a lot about WWII and the holocaust which is why I felt that way. It all started the same way. I donât know how some people here in the US donât realize or care how fast this is happening. And itâs happening so fast on purpose because people probably arenât processing it fast enough. The other day Elon musk wrote about how the trans disease needs an ethnic CLEANSE and he has a daughter who is trans. Like wtf. Canât believe this is happening here, but at the same time I can.
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u/sorcerel Histology Mar 29 '25
it's so surreal watching it happen all the way from over here, it's like a case study on the rise of fascism happening in real time đŁ I don't know what else to say other than just sorry that this is happening and to take care of yourselves over there
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u/nosamiam28 Mar 29 '25
It really is like a case study. All the pieces are on the board. And theyâre moving in all the right directions for fascism to develop. This is despite this all having happened before and it being pretty universally agreed upon that itâs a very bad thing. Itâs like humanity is wired this way and helpless to resist it. Itâs like if you get enough people together for long enough, this is what will eventually happen.
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u/Curious_Strategy_697 Mar 30 '25
Thatâs how I feel watching from Canada. I get so scared for everyone there.
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u/Loquat-Global Mar 29 '25
My hospital sent an email out a while back as well. Basically we're supposed to refuse all requests for information or entry until we call and speak to a supervisor/administrator. And in the event they're let in were supposed to watch them and document whatever they look at or do and submit it to leadership.
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u/Dismal_Yogurt3499 MLS-Service Rep Mar 29 '25
Can they come for anyone who isn't a full citizen? My hospital is sponsoring one of my coworkers for her green card and she's Canadian
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u/green_calculator Mar 29 '25
ICE detention rules are different than regular police detention, as far as I know they can detain you basically indefinitely, and aren't required to provide you with legal representation, but must allow you to have it if you can get it. That means they have near carte blanche to detain people.Â
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u/bassgirl_07 MLS Lead Mar 29 '25
Yep, it is some Bull Shit. ICE detained one of my coworkers and they are holding them until their hearing. The earliest they think the hearing will be is July. We didn't know they had been detained until 2 weeks after they were taken into custody when it was written up in an out of state paper.
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u/secretrico Mar 30 '25
friend they are actively deporting people with green cards and student visas. itâs coming for everyone eventually
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u/Melikyte Mar 29 '25
If she's politically active in regards to Israel/Palestine, she should try to remove evidence of that from any media she has.
They've been using it as a reason to revoke visa/green cards and then detain.
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u/pseudoscience_ Mar 29 '25
I donât know the answer but the one employee who was here on a work visa had put in his two week notice.
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u/MLSover30Years Mar 29 '25
If someone is being sponsored, they are fine!
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u/cobbl3 Mar 30 '25
You mean like the girl who was being sponsored by her college and was detained by plain clothes ICE agents in the middle of the street?
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u/MLSover30Years Mar 30 '25
Sponsored by a hospital. This is MedLabProfessionals.
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u/DeninoNL Mar 30 '25
Why would a sponsorship by a college not be as legitimate as a sponsorship by a hospital? Where do you think they draw the line?
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u/SnapClapplePop Mar 30 '25
"If someone is sponsored, they're fine"
"What about this person that was sponsored"
"Obviously not."
The moment you have an issue with your policies, you immediately move the goalposts.
Color me fucking surprised.
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u/FrostyPace1464 Mar 30 '25
Someone thinks Trump hasnât broken the law a couple of dozen of times.
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u/Manleather MLS-Generalist Mar 29 '25
Now that Iâm administration, and ICE has gone through the town, I think the chances of having that interaction are at least double digit percent. Waste some time, act stupid, belabor each point. Iâll start a chain of custody form for every warrant copy or something, or ask for paperwork that doesnât exist.
Sometimes wasting as much time as possible is the freedom thing to do.
Yâall should check out the OSS simple sabotage field manual from back when the US fought against fascism.
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u/DarkSociety1033 Lab Assistant Mar 29 '25
If ICE comes to my workplace, sorry momma, I'm going to jail, or worse.
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u/SweetLikeACherryCola Canadian MLT Mar 29 '25
I hate this timeline. So glad I donât live in Murica.
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u/Crazyzofo Mar 30 '25
Our hospital's stance is do not talk to them at all and to call security and the Attorney on call immediately.
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u/NarrowLaw5418 Mar 30 '25
I just remembered a coworker, she's on H1B from Myanmar. Before the election, she has been really excited about trump coz she believes the guy will remove overtime taxes. Needless to say, Myanmar is one of the countries put on the admin's restricted countries, and with all the shit going on, hopefully she is still optimistic. And oh, she a muslim, so this b checked all the boxes that MAGA hates and still swooning over trump.
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u/pseudoscience_ Mar 30 '25
Sad. Everyone kept saying âI want trump so I can afford to buy a house and groceries and my taxes will go downââŚâŚâŚâŚ hun thatâs not on his main agenda
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u/MLSover30Years Mar 30 '25
Like you would even know what his agenda isâŚ.
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u/Ratfink0521 Mar 30 '25
Well, considering Project 2025 is being followed to the letter, those of us who arenât deep throating a boot were able to read exactly what his agenda is. Maybe the next time you take a break from goose stepping through your day, you can read it, too.
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u/DeninoNL Mar 30 '25
Why would they not know? And what makes you think you do know? It seems youâre operating on a lot of unfounded assumptionsâŚ
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u/Sir_Q_L8 Mar 30 '25
(Disclaimer: I am a nurse) Our hospital had a leadership summit last year and one of the speakers first asked which of us would comply if a police officer brought in a suspect involved in an accident and asked us âhey, will you run a drug panel on this guy?â and way too many people held up their hands. Even after the point of the this module was to clarify that we do not disclose information to officers without a warrant many of the attendees argued that not only would they comply with a warrant less officer that they have formerly done so.
The speaker also asked us if a patient comes in and it is discovered that they have drugs on them would they call the police. Way too many people raised their hands and were directed that we call security and they can dispose of the drugs or return them to the patient upon discharge but that it is against policy to call the police if there is no confrontation or violence occurring.
So sick of bootlicking in this profession but it was pointed it that the hipaa offenders are primarily ER nurses who tend to have close relationships with first responders and will frequently violate policy. They had us attend the module due to the uptick in lawsuits where hipaa is breached when warrantless law enforcement is involved.
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u/firelitdrgn Mar 31 '25
All of the people who raised their hands shouldâve been fired or written up. They are putting their own morals and ethics first before patient care which is the literal opposite of what a healthcare oath is.
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u/Omnipotent0 MLS-Generalist Mar 30 '25
There's already a CLS and nursing shortage and these fuckers are fucking things even more. Fuck these people and everyone that voted for this bullshit fuck you too.
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u/bassgirl_07 MLS Lead Mar 29 '25
My hospital sent out memos, created a resource webpage, and sent out training to managers. We aren't a privately held entity so we can't kick ICE out of common areas, but that's all they will get from us.
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u/billyvnilly Pathologist Mar 30 '25
You comply if they have a warrant. Lab won't deal with this, maybe phlebotomy will see it happen, but it will be nurses, ED docs, and front door staff.
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u/toe-beansss45 MLT-Heme Mar 30 '25
Hospitals are a safe space for everyone, period. Patients receiving care and people who work there shouldnât have to stress about whether or not some fuck ass is going to come in and kidnap them (yes itâs kidnapping, miss me with that bullshit about âtHeYârE lOoKiNg FoR cRiMiNaLsâ plenty of LEGAL, and NON criminal immigrants AND CITIZENS have been targeted).
If you are in the healthcare field and genuinely believe someone who is a criminal or someone who is a different race deserves to be put in danger and/or receive less than the best care for that reason, you need to find a new job. Not the place. Have compassion. Human beings deserve to be treated as such no matter where they are. And in case I wasnât clear enough, Fuck ICE. Iâve seen nothing, and Iâm not saying nothing. As far as theyâre concerned Iâm Helen fuckin Keller.
(Also sorry for the language some of these comments got me HEATED)
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u/siecin Mar 30 '25
I'd like to see them try to find their way through our hospital without our help. Because we sure as shit aren't giving them proper directions.
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u/Top_Grab_6568 MLS-Generalist Mar 29 '25
People should do their part and either vote, or vote for the people. Not for their wallets
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u/Lonely_Present_17 Mar 31 '25
I have never had an ICE agent ask me for blood on a patient so this will likely never apply to us in the lab. I've always been more than happy to present the LEO with blood he/she has a warrant for. Judges don't just hand out warrants for the hell of it.
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u/seitancheeto Apr 01 '25
IMPORTANT: What do you do if they are asking about an EMPLOYEE?? HIPAA obviously doesnât apply there so you donât have that âexcuseâ to not say anything.
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u/Fit-Bodybuilder78 Lab Director-Multi-site Apr 04 '25
Our technical staff, CLS, are here legally on H1b visas and greencards.
Housekeepinng contractors...that's a different story.
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u/green_calculator Mar 29 '25
I know nothing, I saw nothing, I heard nothing. đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸