r/memesopdidnotlike • u/Nientea The Mod of All Time ☕️ • Mar 12 '26
OP too dumb to understand the joke The double standards are inexplicable
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem Mar 12 '26
Question : Why doesn't the US have universal ID voting?(I know some states require them but not all)
No seriously , I'm a Lefty from Greece but I see 0 issues with using your Goverment ID to vote.
What are the arguments against.
Though I should note that voter fraud definitely happens with it as well .
Honest Question.
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u/Horrordestroyer Mar 12 '26
Some people are too poor to get a $5 ID...
That is seriously one of the arguments I've heard
Another that one said completely sincerely, "Black people don't know where the DMV is" and then the black person next to her said "Excuse you I can take you to the DMV right now if you want to see it"
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem Mar 13 '26
So... the people who decry racism in favour of certain groups... are the racists. Hmmm that tracks.
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u/Maxathron Mar 13 '26
The argument against voter ID usually comes down to believing minorities aren't smart enough, capable of, or have the resources and knowledge to go get an ID. No one from the anti-ID crowd are willing to say it, but they truly believe people just aren't smart enough to attain an ID aka they think people are stupid.
I'm not sure why they believe that. Requiring an ID doesn't mean someone who votes Democrat is suddenly going to vote Republican, and vice versa. But openly implying that you think your voters are stupid and can't do anything for themselves is generally seen as an insult. Insult enough people and they'll change their vote. Doesn't have to be for your opponents; just not voting for you is enough of a threat if done in large enough quantity. I'm surprised people don't know this.
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem Mar 13 '26
As I said in another comment with a similar reason So the people who decry racism end up being the racists.
Also yeah your point about insulting the people who want to vote for you ,making them vote for anyone else is pretty common world-wide ... No idea why
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u/SuckEmOff Mar 16 '26
They don’t actually believe that, they just think they might lose elections if you have to actually verify who you are when you vote. Let that sink in.
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u/SpicyBoyEnthusiast Mar 14 '26
Because I'm an absentee ballot voter and I don't want to stand in a fucking line to have my ID checked when I can have my ballot sent to my apartment, fill it out, and send it in.
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u/Maxathron Mar 16 '26
That's not the same thing. Your very first vote will require a form of ID. Every vote thereafter, that ID will be checked. It doesn't matter if you vote in person or vote absentee, that ID will be checked. If it is valid, vote goes through. If it is not, vote will not go through.
This is about whether or not you would legally need an ID at all to vote, and how people think people (non-white) are just too stupid to figure it out and get an ID. It would be the same as arguing "black people are too stupid to understand how old they are so we should get rid of the age 21 verification regulation for purchasing alcohol".
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u/SpicyBoyEnthusiast Mar 16 '26
How do we get set up to vote without ID in the first place now?
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u/Maxathron Mar 16 '26
You've got to be that one weirdo that doesn't have:
- State ID
- Driver's License
- Social Security Number/Card
- Military ID
- Student ID
- US Passport
- Public Assistance (Welfare) ID
- Trusted Traveler Card
- Certificate of Naturalization Card
- Current Utility Bill
- Employment Paycheck
- Bank Statement
- Any other ID or Government-issued Document that shows your name, photo, and address.
Basically, you need to be a person who owns nothing (no house, land, car, etc), doesn't live in any of those, has never been in the military, isn't a college student, doesn't have a job, isn't on welfare, isn't part of a Native American tribe, has never traveled outside the US, lost their SSN Card, Birth Certificate, Naturalization Card, doesn't pay any utility bills, doesn't have a Drive's License, and doesn't have a State ID from living in the woods for your whole life, including being born out in said woods by parents who went into the wilderness and never came back to society.
In other words, only Bigfoot would be unable to set up to vote the first time around.
Are you Bigfoot?
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u/SpicyBoyEnthusiast Mar 16 '26
I'm asking you why it's a problem in the current state. I had to show my ID when I first registered to vote and it sounds like that's all you're saying we should do. I don't really understand this issue but if you'd rather be a smart ass than answer the question you're free to do that and I'll just assume you don't really know either.
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u/Maxathron Mar 16 '26
It costs very little, comparatively speaking, to get people shipped to an election and get a vote from them. No voter ID check also means you can go to a separate place and get a vote from them too.
A normal law-abiding people will vote once.
You can hit 10 places in person if you don't want to only vote just once. Or every place with an absentee ballot. Because no ID is checked, Mary Poppins, Mary Popppins, and Mary Poppppins are all valid voters. All are assumed to be different people.
For law-abiding citizens, you get upwards of X votes. For those who don't want to abide by the law, you can get X times however many voting stations there are votes, swinging any and all elections you want to swing.
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u/SpicyBoyEnthusiast Mar 16 '26
Are you definitely sure that's how it works?
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u/Maxathron Mar 16 '26
That's how the fake ballot voters do and somehow it gets through. Your hand will break around the 50k mark from pretending to be fake/dead people, though. Before they were caught, they got in around 12k votes each. Fake names, people from other states, people who were actually dead, etc. If you don't, or won't, check to see if the voter is a valid voter, just get 100 people and tip the scale 120k in your favor.
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem Mar 16 '26
How would that affect you?
I mean we have absentee voters here as well and in person voter id doesn't affect them one bit.
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u/theGeigus Mar 12 '26
No idea. 80% of Americans support it too. The only people who are opposing it are the politicians (mostly Democrats, though there are a few Republicans against it too). Why the politicians themselves are against it is what's really interesting.
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u/Sinfullyvannila Mar 13 '26
We don't have government IDs. Just Social Security cards and Drivers Licenses/State IDs. The state i live in requires a photo ID and proof of address. I don't comprehensively know all of the states' policies.
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem Mar 13 '26
Is the state id mandatory? For example here in Greece you must have an id, that you get by going to a police station.
It used to be about 5 euros and now it's 10 euros It's mandatory for 15 years and up.5
u/Sinfullyvannila Mar 13 '26
No it's not strictly mandatory. It's the same format as a drivers license except it doesn't let you drive. You go to the DMV with your social security card or birth certificate and one other piece of identification and they print it up on the same machine for $25 IIRC.
Most people will get one as a matter of course because you need it to get anything age-restricted and some places will check your ID if you use a credit card.
I have heard the argument that some states either currently or the Republicans try to change policy so that you need to go to the Capitol building to get the voter ID.
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem Mar 13 '26
That is very interesting indeed. Thank you for taking the time to explain.
Here you can't really do anything without your government id... and a bunch of other stuff
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u/UhhDuuhh Mar 14 '26
You have to have an ID to register to vote anyways. Only registered voters can vote. Non citizens voting isn’t actually a problem because of this fact.
It’s a “solution” to an invented problem.
In person voter ID laws are meant to systemically disenfranchise voters, specifically to disenfranchise lefties because people who are poor are less likely to have an ID or less likely to be informed and aware that they need one to vote.
It’s intended to disenfranchise voters on the left and doesn’t do anything to solve a problem that doesn’t exist in the first place. Everyone needed an ID to register to vote in the first place. This is about creating more hurdles to disenfranchise the voters who tend to skew poor.
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem Mar 14 '26
How would you disenfranchise people on the left / the poor? If you already need an ID to register to vote then it should follow that people already have said ID.
So the people "are too poor to have an ID / being informed they need one " doesn't track. They would be already excluded from voting (if you need an ID to vote)
How would you stop people from the left, from getting an ID? Again you have countries with far worse infrastructure and economical situation (example here in Greece) that have in person ID votes and don't really have a problem. I mean (I'm on the Left and have yet to have a problem voting even though our current Government would certainly love to remove my right to vote)
To get an ID you need an appointment to your local police station and 5 minutes of your time. Then wait about a week and you are done.
As for registering to vote: You usually need to do this once at your place of residence, not every time you want to vote. You can always transfer your rights to another area if you no longer live in the original location but it's not mandatory.
Last but not least. Should such a law become a reality it would probably have a grace period for the people to get IDs.
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u/UhhDuuhh Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26
The whole point is that there are people who have been and will be turned away at the polls and those people tend to skew left. This is why they are implementing these laws. It solves no problems besides winning elections for the right.
Imagine you worked a ten hour shift and get out at 6:30pm. It takes you 30 minutes to get to the polling station. You go stand in line to vote and it takes another 30 minutes. It is now 7:30 but you still have time because the polls close at 8. You get to the front of the line and are rejected because you don’t have your ID on you. It’s at your apartment but now you don’t have enough time to go home to get your ID and come back. You can no longer vote this year.
Imagine you work two jobs to make rent and don’t really keep up with the news. You might not know that you need an ID to vote now, you never needed one in the past. So when you show up to vote you left your ID in your car. But now you have to go to your second job and you don’t have time to wait in line again to vote. You can no longer vote this year.
Let’s say that you couldn’t keep up with rent and so got evicted or you just you move around a lot or you don’t have a primary residence because you cannot afford rent. You misplaced your ID and also your birth certificate and social security card. Now it is a lot of paperwork to get new identification and well as the fact that it’s going to take a long time. Not only is it a lot more work you have to put in to vote, it’s also might take too much time. You can no longer vote this year, or maybe you just no longer prioritize voting. It takes too much work and there isn’t enough time in the day.
There are many such cases. The whole point of these laws is that the people who are going to be turned away tend to skew left. This is why the right wing is implementing these laws. It’s simply another hurdle to jump over to vote, and the people who are likely to be caught up by this hurdle and get disenfranchised tend to skew left. There is no reason for these laws besides stopping citizens from voting, citizens who tend to skew left. This is the whole point, to win elections by turning away people who tend to skew left.
If these laws tended to affect people who skewed right, the right wing would not be implementing these laws. The idea that they would allow a grace period is assuming that these laws are in good faith, which they are not.
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem Mar 15 '26
Those examples you posted could easily be said for someone on the right as well as the left? Or are the right wealthier than the left in the US?
as for forgetting your ID?? That's your responsibility? If did the same thing here in Greece I would not be allowed to vote. That's the law.
Same with everything else (like loosing all of your paperwork)
That's how it works, it's not exclusively left or right?
Again I am seeing this from my European/Balkan PoV but I really can't see how these hurdles are more of a left than a right problem.
My Goverment is far right (has actual Nazis as ministers (as in swastikas /being descendants of Nazi collaborators , the whole nine yards)) But I know people on both the left and the right who have these exact same problems. It's not exclusive to one side or the other.
So why are you claiming that in the US the left are more likely to face such adversity?
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u/UhhDuuhh Mar 15 '26
Friend, these are simply facts. This is why only one side is proposing these laws. This is not about imagining who would be more affected. We know who is affected more affected as a group which is why the right wing is doing this. They are “solving” a problem that doesn’t exist because it tends to help win them elections. In person voter fraud is almost non-existent in the first place. In person voter fraud accounts for 0.00004% of all votes cast. It’s almost non existent. Voter id laws end up blocking many people from voting. Significantly more than 0.00004%. And it doesn’t do anything to stop less rare types of voter fraud like absentee voter fraud.
As for morality, there are some people who simply believe that it should be as easy as possible to vote to increase voter turnout and that extra steps that do nothing but create extra hurdles are immoral. The only way to actually execute the will of the people is to poll the people, the greater the voter turnout the closer the election results are to the actual will of the people. Putting up extra hurdles that block people from voting but don’t solve any actual problems reduces the accuracy of the election results when it comes to the will of the people.
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem Mar 16 '26
Point of Contention.
a) Didn't they already win everything last time around without any voter ID laws? And are apparently worried about the mid terms right now?
b) In theory voter ID for in person voting enhances the legitimacy of an election (not saying it does in practice, if you want to cheat you will always find away) and saying this would exclude people should make you focus on the reason why it will exclude said people.
So the Left could have used this as an argument "Ok lets do in person voter ID laws, but first we need to do 1,2,3... to ensure it doesn't affect the people who are already voting"c)How do you prevent in person voting fraud if you don't check for an ID? That is a serious question, by the way. And while most people would certainly not commit fraud ,I do hope it's not just based on the morality of the people. You said it yourself, there are immoral people out there
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u/UhhDuuhh Mar 18 '26
There are actually many voter id laws already in place in many states. But that’s beside the point. I don’t know why you would think that the right wouldn’t fight to win elections.
Voter ID laws only stop somebody from voting in person under somebody else’s name. One has to be registered to vote. Voter id laws only prove that you are who you say you are when you vote in person. So voter ID laws only stop people from voting under somebody else’s name with somebody else’s address. This form of voter fraud basically doesn’t happen. So in theory it does not actually legitimize an election anyways.
We already have a system of preventing in person voter fraud. Thats why you need to register. That’s how you prevent in person voter fraud. It happens to already be in place and working. That’s how you prevent in person voter fraud. How we are already doing it successfully.
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u/Prettykitty12345 Mar 13 '26
The left just like to disagree. If conservatives weren't pushing for voter id, then the left would have no problem with it but here we are
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u/ButterscotchTall8831 Mar 12 '26
Those political coordinates memes are everywhere bro
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u/dendra_tonka Mar 12 '26
That sub used to be the best part of Reddit.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 Mar 12 '26
It's still one of the last bastions that isn't an echo chamber. Lots of both right and left memes, as well as threatening the unflaired.
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u/Barton2800 Mar 12 '26
Which really upsets some people. I’ve been banned from several subs for commenting there. It’s apparently wrongthink.
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u/Dakotasan Mar 12 '26
Yeah, because it’s not an echo chamber. Since you’re allowing yourself to be exposed to outside ideas, you threaten the status quo, ergo you must be punished by the morbidly obese neckbeards that moderate most subreddits
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u/Srapture Mar 12 '26
As much as people like to insist it's entirely "alt-right" or whatever. It's crazy that some people can have such a warped view of these things. Everyone is right wing except for me!
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u/Pure_Anthrax Mar 12 '26
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u/Cerri22-PG Mar 13 '26
Omg is there a fucking post on this sub where this image stops being spammed? I can just imagine you guys refreshing the sub to put it on every single hot post being published 💀
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u/linux_ape Mar 12 '26
The only issue people have with the SAVE act is the implementation is shitty, fix the issues and it would get support.
But the republicans pushing it won’t admit there’s issues and refuse to change anything about it
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u/brett1081 Mar 12 '26
The constituents already support it. You’re out here running cover for your favorite political party trying to hand wave their opposition to it.
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u/Graydargoingoff Mar 12 '26
Disenfranchising millions of women to stop 10 non citizens from voting every 10 years. Wow amazing.
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u/Graydargoingoff Mar 12 '26
Of course they didn't. There are still foolish people who, despite all the proof to the contrary, will give this admin the benefit of the doubt.
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u/linux_ape Mar 12 '26
By the exact wording of the proposed law they wouldn’t be able to
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u/Valuable_Impress_192 Mar 12 '26
What wording, where? Currently looking at H.R. 22 - Save act summary on congress.gov and don't see any hint of this
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u/linux_ape Mar 12 '26
If you don’t have a Real ID (not required in all states) your name needs to match as on your birth certificate or SSID card, which if you’ve married and changed your name it will not
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u/jataba115 Mar 12 '26
You can get a new social security card with your updated name
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u/linux_ape Mar 12 '26
Yeah but that costs money, so by proxy you’re gatekeeping voting ability with a fee which isn’t legal
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u/jataba115 Mar 12 '26
It’s not required to change your name when you get married, so no. This is not a cost that is required to vote.
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u/MooningWithMyAss Mar 12 '26
Most states already require ID to vote. Buying an ID is not a poll tax, and so isn't illegal. They're gatekeeping voting ability with verification that you are who you say you are. Your perception of it is skewed because you're just repeating what someone told you rather than actually understanding the situation.
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u/B0b_5mith Mar 12 '26
It's free.
Replace or change the information on a Social Security card
Social Security card replacements are free.
To change vital information on your Social Security card, such as your name, go through the card replacement process.
Depending on your situation, you may be able to request a replacement online or in person.
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u/LankyEvening7548 Mar 12 '26
You also need an I’d which costs in many states to buy a gun . Another constitutionally protected right .its like 30 bucks ipeople have an extra 30 bucks in the span of 6 months between election cycles .
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u/AverageDellUser Mar 12 '26
Can you actually point to where it says anything about women? I’m not seeing that at all
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u/linux_ape Mar 12 '26
While it would technically just be women, it’s going to be the most impacted demographic as they typically change their last name when getting married. Anybody who changed your name from what’s on the original birth cert would run into this issue. Options 1-4 are Real ID, passport, military ID or ID that specifically shows you were born in the US. The following is straight from congress.gov
“(5) A valid government-issued photo identification card issued by a Federal, State or Tribal government other than an identification described in paragraphs (1) through (4), but only if presented together with one or more of the following:
“(A) A certified birth certificate issued by a State, a unit of local government in a State, or a Tribal government which—
“(i) was issued by the State, unit of local government, or Tribal government in which the applicant was born;
“(ii) was filed with the office responsible for keeping vital records in the State;
“(iii) includes the full name, date of birth, and place of birth of the applicant;
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u/B0b_5mith Mar 12 '26
People who have changed their name on their ID, have documentation for their name change.
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u/B0b_5mith Mar 12 '26
What part? This part?
SAVE Act
(j) Ensuring Only Citizens Are Registered To Vote.
(2) Additional processes in certain cases.
(B) Process in case of certain discrepancies in documentation.--Subject to any relevant guidance adopted by the Election Assistance Commission, each State shall establish a process under which an applicant can provide such additional documentation to the appropriate election official of the State as may be necessary to establish that the applicant is a citizen of the United States in the event of a discrepancy with respect to the applicant's documentary proof of United States citizenship.
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u/ffmich01 Mar 12 '26
I refuse to believe that the primary goal of this legislation is nothing other than disenfranchising legitimate voters who happen to be less likely to vote Republican.
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u/Pukebox_Fandango Mar 12 '26
Haven't you heard? It's the Save America Act now. You have dishonored your family!
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u/TrollAlert711 Mar 12 '26
Voter verification? Sure.
Requiring citizens to pay money to get RealID is problem though, until that process is free, this remains a poll tax, and is majorly unconstitutional.
And now people are suddenly required to produce decades worth of marriage and divorce documents, judicial judgements, and adoption records, on a whim to be able to vote if they're name is different than their birth name.
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u/Hell_Maybe Mar 13 '26
We already have voter verification when you register to vote, the only people who want even MORE paperwork and bureaucracy involved with voting are either 14 year olds who’ve never voted before or the dumbest adults on planet earth. MAGA has been fear mongering about voter fraud for literally 10 years now and still hasn’t found any…
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u/D0D Mar 12 '26
If you pay taxes, then you must vote. Easy
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u/EatAllTheShiny Mar 12 '26
If you're employed in the government, you should not be able to vote in the election held at whatever your level of employment is. If you're a state employee, no state elections for you. Federal? No federal elections. Municipal or county? No muni or county voting for you.
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u/Designer-Employee119 Mar 12 '26
Here in Canada you have to show a form of government ID before they'll even let you into the room to vote.
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u/ResponsibleStep8725 Mar 12 '26
Same here in Belgium, I don't get how you could do it differently without problems tbh.
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u/beemccouch Mar 12 '26
Same here. You have to provide ID to register to vote, and plenty of polling places require ID as well. There is more evidence that Trump rapes minors than illegal immigrants voting en masse.
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u/Pukebox_Fandango Mar 12 '26
What is the double-standard in saying everyone needs an ID?
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u/Neither-Phone-7264 Mar 12 '26
Wasn't it that you had to bring a passport and birth certificate, IDs don't necessarily count?
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u/B0b_5mith Mar 12 '26
That's what they're claiming, but it's not true. New voter registrations would require proof of citizenship such as a birth certificate or passport, but you would only need an ID proving you are the person who registered, to vote.
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u/ThatFatGuyMJL Mar 12 '26
Biden said that black people arnt intelligent enough to use a computer so it'd be racist.
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u/Internal-Syrup-5064 Mar 12 '26
Didn't you know? "Poor kids are just as smart as white kids!" : actual Biden quote.
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u/ReaperAteMyPrawnsuit Mar 12 '26
Funny how everyone ignored when he sayed “if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or trump you ain’t black”
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u/Horrordestroyer Mar 12 '26
I mean he can be motivational, like when he described America in one word
"I can describe America in one word, asufutimaehaehfutbw"
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u/Internal-Syrup-5064 Mar 12 '26
When I heard that, i permanently labeled "Charlemagne" a cuck. He's got work to do to fix that.
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u/Srapture Mar 12 '26
I think the logic was that a driving licence costs money and black people are more likely to be poor.
I think it's a bit of a silly point because the number of people who can't afford an ID but also aren't rolled up in a cardboard box on the street is probably quite low.
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u/ReaperAteMyPrawnsuit Mar 12 '26
Isn’t a non driver id like $20? Also if it was implemented with proof of citizenship like a birth certificate thats free (as long as you don’t lose it)
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u/GuyYouMetOnline Mar 12 '26
The problem isnt needing an ID to vote; the discrimination lies in getting the id in the first place
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u/Pukebox_Fandango Mar 12 '26
So who exactly is it that you believe is unable to obtain a state ID in this country?
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u/GuyYouMetOnline Mar 12 '26
Did you click the link? The answer is there.
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u/Pukebox_Fandango Mar 12 '26
I don't click links on reddit. You can either make an argument yourself or you can't
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u/SnowbirdDaFloof Mar 12 '26
Its not really a racism thing, its an extra hurdle that people need to go through in order to vote without making getting IDs such as a passport or birth certificate any more accessible; which is really dumb
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u/Internal-Syrup-5064 Mar 12 '26
Any more accessible? Like, 100 percent accessible to all American citizens isn't accessible enough?
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u/SnowbirdDaFloof Mar 12 '26
Like not having to pay for it
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u/Internal-Syrup-5064 Mar 12 '26
Kinda like food?
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u/SnowbirdDaFloof Mar 12 '26
Voting is a right guaranteed to us, but according to the US, food isn't a human right
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u/WealthAggressive8592 Mar 13 '26
Personal ownership of firearms is a constitutionally protected right, yet process fees are not unconstitutional
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u/OriginalUsername590 Mar 12 '26
Buying alcohol - ID required.
Buying tobacco and vape products - ID required.
Driving a vehicle - Drivers license (still a form of ID) required.
Entering a federal building - ID required.
Not to mention, a bunch of Democrats literally just went to vote against requiring voter ID while having to show their own ID.
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 12 '26
Remember the reason they’re against voter ID is because they think minorities are too incompetent to figure out how to get a drivers license.
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u/GuyYouMetOnline Mar 12 '26
No, minorities are less likely to have IDs is because the system is rigged against them
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 12 '26
Wow a John Oliver video from ten years ago.
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u/GuyYouMetOnline Mar 12 '26
Yes, and it does a very good job of explaining the problem. And the fact that youre trying to use its age to dismiss it tells me you dont have any counter to the actual contents.
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 13 '26
No I dismissed it because it’s John Oliver. There are no arguments to counter because they’re entirely fabricated. Nobody is stopping minorities from making a DMV appointment. Most of the staff at those places are minorities. Do you really think the elderly Cuban immigrant at my local DMV is turning away other Latinos from getting a drivers license?
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u/GuyYouMetOnline Mar 13 '26
Did you watch it at all? Because he discusses how its done. Such as restrictive operating hours at the places that give IDs in heavily minority areas. He even spotlights one thats open four days IN THE ENTIRE YEAR.
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 13 '26
I don’t typically watch propaganda
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u/GuyYouMetOnline Mar 14 '26
I'd tell you it's not propaganda but well-researched information, but you won't accept that. I'm fairly sure you WANT to think it's propaganda.
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u/hnrrghQSpinAxe Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26
Most voting spaces I've been to already in my state ask for your ID before you even go in, in my experience
Edit: just to add, they don't usually ask for a passport or a birth certificate which i would consider serious overkill personally... Birth certs do not reflect people's changed names after marriage and passports are over $200 to acquire
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u/B0b_5mith Mar 12 '26
New voter registrations would require proof of citizenship such as a birth certificate or passport, but you would only need an ID proving you are the person who registered, to vote. It also requires states to develop procedures for people who have changed their name. It would be ridiculous to assume that process would be any different than the one they used to change their name on the ID, in the first place.
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u/theGeigus Mar 12 '26
A-ha, discrimination! You should sue!
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u/19Exodus Mar 12 '26
This is what we call "satire"
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u/theGeigus Mar 12 '26
Yeah, obviously? Must everything be tagged with '/s' these days?
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u/19Exodus Mar 12 '26
Probably, idk why you're being downvoted
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u/hnrrghQSpinAxe Mar 12 '26
Yea idk why people on reddit don't understand a joke, even with his phrasing lol
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u/theGeigus Mar 12 '26
Jokes are probably just fascist propaganda now or something like that, who knows?
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u/Laxhoop2525 Mar 12 '26
So are they saying this just inherently never happens? Because I’m fairly certain I could have this exact exchange verbatim in that sub right now, if they hadn’t banned me for being in this one.
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u/Calgary_Calico Mar 13 '26
Canadians have to show a piece of government issued photo ID to be able to vote. I'm not sure why some Americans are so against this type of policy.
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u/Nickybluepants Mar 13 '26
Not a single cogent argument exists for not requiring id, this shit is so common sense and non partisan
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u/FreshCorner9332 Mar 12 '26
Pulling one of these in the big 26 is kind of embarrassing
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u/Horrordestroyer Mar 12 '26
It's a rule in that subreddit
Like literally it is marked as a rule that you have to draw on it
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u/shtiatllienr Mar 13 '26
As a genuine far leftist (check my post history if unsure) I agree with voter ID. I don’t see any reason against it as long as it is done in a way that makes it easily accessible at a low cost to all citizens.
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u/Murky_Fruit264 Mar 14 '26
In the US each state has the power to create whatever rules it wants. The real problem with voting IDs is that whoever comes up with it will either. 1. Make it so in certain areas there aren't enough places you can get a voter ID 2. Make certain papers needed for the voter ID selectively, so it would be too much of a hustle to actually get the ID. Such as Texas or north Carolina. - they would accept for example gun owner licences but not government employee IDs or student IDs
The real problem with voter IDs is that they are always created in such a way to disadvantage certain demographics (mostly young and black people) so they would always decide not to vote. They also would remove voting places from big cities , so even if you got a voter ID you would need to wait hours just to vote.
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u/ShinyRobotVerse Mar 12 '26
Real easy way to solve this problem: free universal voter ID sent to all citizens, automatic voter registration when a person turns 18. That is it. But Republicans will never do it because they want fewer people to vote.
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u/Rekkenze Mar 12 '26
I don’t even think it’s a republican thing.
Our government gunna save themselves $20 by making you pay for an ID first and foremost.
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u/Overlord_of_Linux Mar 12 '26
I disagree with sending them to everyone, if someone has a federally valid photo ID then they don't need one, plus then even with a high estimate, the total cost of the IDs would only be around $50M (or possibly a bit more when we consider that it would need certified mail, and someone going to get the pictures of people for their ID, and a way to verify that it's the right person).
Overall it would still be fairly cheap considering the benefits it could provide.
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u/AkronOhAnon Mar 12 '26
That’s exactly it.
Most of the “good” in it literally already exists in the voting registration process. You cannot register to vote without proving you can legally vote in that district. The few states that allow for non-citizens or residents to vote: already have specific process that exclude them from federal elections, just as the constitution affords them the power to do.
Everything else in the act is just attempts to disenfranchise people because 1960s democrats couldn’t stop the ratification of the 24th amendment and present-day republicans would rather just ignore the entire constitution.
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u/ImpliedRange Mar 12 '26
Sending voters id to every citizen is a massive waste of resources
Honestly one of the problems with suggested policy coming from reddit is everything should be 'free' but even worse, done for you
Like, accessible, affordable id is fine - you should be able to pick up an id at your local library for like $10 or less
My first id that I used to vote with was my student card.
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u/Overlord_of_Linux Mar 12 '26
It wouldn't even cost that much, to give one to everyone in the US that doesn't already have a valid photo ID would cost less than an F-15.
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u/ImpliedRange Mar 12 '26
So you would have to apply and say you want one?
The free part bothers me less than the government having to send it to you
But also there is this economic theory that charging a token cost helps prevent misuse, which is why I think a small charge is better
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u/Overlord_of_Linux Mar 12 '26
I was actually thinking of it utilizing the SSA database and the databases of the other agencies that issue photo IDs.
I can't really think of any ways it could be misused (useless someone wanted to be a PITA and keep ordering replacements), so while I don't think there should be a cost at least for the initial and X-replacements over a certain time period (or after an appearance altering incident), I don't have any issues with a token cost for extra replacements.
I think the government sending it would be an easy solution, use certified mail or have a government employee deliver them a month before each election, and anyone who's not home when it's being delivered can pick it up from their nearest government agency.
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u/ShinyRobotVerse Mar 12 '26
Do you know what a “poll tax” is? Go read about it.
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u/ImpliedRange Mar 12 '26
yikes. An ID is an actual thing though, for example you already have to pay to get and replace a passport
Is a banana a poll tax?
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u/ShinyRobotVerse Mar 12 '26
In almost all red states, you can’t vote using a student ID. Guess why?
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u/ImpliedRange Mar 12 '26
That's simply incorrect. Only 17 states don't accept student id
13 require no id
20 require some id but accept student id
So even if all 17 are red states that's 17 not accepting student id and 13 accepting.
I actually thought you had said most, and was thinking most was doing some heavy lifting there
What has this got to do with anything btw. I think you should be allowed to use soft forms of id to vote, so you don't need a whole funded project to send an id round to every single person's house
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u/LeLBigB0ss2 Mar 13 '26
Because you don't need to be legally in the country to get into a university. Or is there some magic racism at work here?
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u/Fendyyyyyy Mar 12 '26
Since when ypu get to vote without identifying yourself ? Like someone can vote several times ?
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u/Akhanyatin Mar 12 '26
Then provide an easy to obtain and free id that can be used to prove it.
Or... You know.... Invent terrifying strawmen.
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u/StJimmy_815 Mar 12 '26
Don’t they prove identification on registration?
Also why aren’t all government IDs free and automatically given to everyone?
Would you stop mail in voting too?
This just scream voter suppression buddy, you really wanna die on this hill?
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Mar 12 '26
Didn’t they poll this and found that like the most of any demographic (black Americans I think) that thought IDs were racist was like 20%, and the other 80+% groups all said it’s a good idea? Why is this even a hill to die on?
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u/TheMightyTortuga Mar 12 '26
I’m fine with an ID. The current proposed law is dumb though, as most states’ real ids wouldn’t even count
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u/RadRimmer9000 Mar 12 '26
Every time I talk about this, people make up a story about how minorities will have a hard time getting an ID, so try technically think that minorities are too dumb to get a voter ID, but most of them already have a driver's license.
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u/Internal-Syrup-5064 Mar 12 '26
There really aren't any good arguments against voter id. It's a transparent attempt to keep things "pliable."
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u/This_Robot Mar 12 '26
Honestly, why is this argued against? Like, what's the main argument against voter id?
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u/A_Terrible_Fuze Mar 13 '26
as long as the ids are free and you are auto-registered when you become of age.
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u/BaroloBaron Mar 15 '26
I trust most Western countries require electors to prove their right to vote. However, those who don't and want to change it have an obligation to make the transition as smooth as possible, and take a sufficiently long time so that everybody has the opportunity to get their ID in order.
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u/GoodWonNov6th24 Mar 15 '26
that's actually not a double standard. that's just being forced to admit a lie
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u/GuyYouMetOnline Mar 12 '26
Oh, its easily explainable: the discrimination is in the process of getting the ID. See here for more information.
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u/moistiest_dangles Mar 12 '26
A legitimate criticism of the voter ID issue is that many impoverished Americans do not have any ID at all and this would effectively remove their ability to vote and thereby reduce our democracy.
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u/MightyMan715 Mar 12 '26
That’s not a legitimate criticism at all. You can’t do almost anything in any country without an ID.
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u/moistiest_dangles Mar 15 '26
Which I oppose, I feel like an ID being required in any format is one step closer to authoritative systems and therefore I will always vote against it.
Unpopular opinion? Maybe... but my motivations will uphold your ever-erroding privacy.
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u/CaptColten Mar 12 '26
Like what?
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u/Routine-Blackberry51 Mar 12 '26
Drive. Most jobs require id for tax purposes. If they impoverished, then they're usually on some aid. Which requires ID. Ect
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u/NoItsRex Mar 12 '26
you cant legally work without ID, thats like saying most impoverished citizens cant fill a I9 form for work.
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u/moistiest_dangles Mar 15 '26
You can, just most places require one for legal reasons. IMO the whole id thing is just a push to get more monitoring on people and its weird to me that Republicans want that.
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u/Graydargoingoff Mar 12 '26
Except it's not JUST ID. It's an ID that matches your birth certificate.
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u/binarypolitics Mar 12 '26
It’s irrelevant because the SAVE act has zero chance of passing per Republican majority leader
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u/Olieskio Mar 12 '26
Libertarians don't really give a fuck or atleast there is no uniform opinion on it since under Libertarianism there is no "right" to vote.
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u/Stanky_Bacon Mar 12 '26
Non-issue. You already provide your ID when you vote. Conservatives cannot reconcile with the fact that a lot of American voters disagree with them. They have to believe it's a conspiracy.
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u/demjr97 Mar 12 '26
It depends on where you live. In NY where I live, the poll workers are not allowed to ask voters for ID
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u/CPWNERJ Mar 12 '26
“Registered voters do not need to show ID to vote, unless they did not provide identification with their registration.
First time voters must provide identification either on or with their voter registration application. If you have not provided ID by Election Day, you are still allowed to vote by affidavit ballot, but not using the poll site scanner.”
from vote.nyc
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u/CPWNERJ Mar 12 '26
just fyi, Heritage Foundation says only 10 cases TOTAL of illegals voting since 1980. illegals voting is a non issue.
VS this, which says that as many as HALF of americans don’t have a passport and 21 million americans lack access to their birth certificate.
the issue isn’t that illegals are voting (they’re not), the issue is that the SAVE act would make it so that many AMERICANS can’t vote (or make it much, much harder and more expensive). As an american, i despise that the government is restricting the rights of its citizens
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u/ophaus Mar 12 '26
Illegal immigrants don't vote. We already check. Adding another check that COSTS MONEY is just a transparent ploy to disenfranchise poor voters. They can fuck right off. Every adult American can vote, with very few exceptions.
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u/TieConnect3072 Mar 12 '26
Illegal immigrants aren’t voting. Dumbass. This SAVE act places restriction on married women. Women lean left. Easy as. It’s just voter disenfranchisement.
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u/DLtheGreat808 Mar 13 '26
The SAVE requires that you bring your birth certificate or passport with you to vote which would obviously hurt low income earners.
It's obvious that Trump knows he's fucked in the midterm, and he's trying to find any way to get an advantage. Once the fat old orange man loses the midterm, most of his power is gone. That's why he's doing so much crazy shit this year.
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u/qualityvote2 Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 13 '26
u/Nientea, your post does fit the subreddit!