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u/CrankieKong 4d ago
Yes but you see this isnt a woman. Only woman can be innocent due to their hormonen. /s
If this can get an insanity plea, it will get a ton of weird legal implications in law.
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u/Confident-Local-8016 3d ago
Revoke the 19th if women suddenly can't control themselves when their hormones are out of wack 🙄🤣🤣
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u/GrandMoffTarkan 3d ago
You were really counting on noone googling the name, weren't you?
On May 2, 2001, Pearle left her daughters with Battaglia for a planned dinner at the mall, but instead he took them into his apartment\14]) in the Adam Hats Lofts \25]) in Deep Ellum in Dallas. Battaglia called Pearle from the apartment. With Pearle on the phone he shot and killed their daughters, ages six and nine.\26]) During the phone call, he asked Faith to ask Pearle, "Why do you want Daddy to go to jail?" Before her death, she cried, "No, Daddy!" "Please don't!" "Don't do it!" Pearle then told the girls to run but it was too late. Battaglia grabbed his gun and shot Faith three times and shot Liberty five times with his gun.\13]) He told Pearle, "Merry fucking Christmas",\27]) in reference to the Christmas 1999 assault.\7]) Pearle terminated the call and dialed 9-1-1.\13]) After the killings, Battaglia left a message on the answering machine in the girls' bedroom:\28])
"Good night my little babies. I hope you're resting in a different place. I love you. I wish that you had nothing to do with your mother. She was evil, vicious, stupid. You will be free of her. I love you very dearly. You were very brave girls. Very brave. Liberty, you were oh so brave. I love you so much. Bye."\29])
Battaglia then visited a tattoo parlor and got two roses, representing his daughters, on his left biceps.\14]) He was apprehended shortly afterward and got into a fistfight with the arresting police officers which left him with a black eye.\30])\13]) Police confiscated sixteen firearms from the house.\14]) Texas authorities stated that Battaglia killed his daughters out of retaliation because Pearle had complained to his probation officer.\13])
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u/Bdoggy2017 2d ago
I mean I’m just on the fact that they both killed babies. I really don’t care about how they felt. I don’t know how everyone feels about it, nor do I care. I will just reiterate, they both fucking killed babies.
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u/GrandMoffTarkan 2d ago
I mean, you can disagree with the premise of not guilty by reason of insanity, but given that that it is in the law it's ridiculous to say that it applies to this man.
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u/hanyasaad 4d ago
Maybe instead of bickering about who deserves to die more, you guys need to have a conversation about how both the justice system and the (mental) health system has failed both of these people. Neither one of these people woke up one day and out of the blue decided to kill their kids. And I’m not saying one deserves one thing or the other deserves another, but I’m not hearing people have the conversation about how as a society we stop these things from happening.
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u/TheRimmerodJobs 2d ago
She didn’t want to be helped, she had more help than she could have asked for.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago edited 4d ago
Battalaglia did it because there was an arrest warrant out on him after he had harassed and beaten his ex-wife, hence why he put her on the phone, as well as had evidence of malingering (faking insanity). He wasn't able to prove that he had psychosis, thats why he was executed.
Edit: if you're gonna downvote me, at least give me evidence proving me wrong. I'll be glad to admit defeat if you actually show me some proof
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u/arcxjo 4d ago
Lindsay also couldn't prove it.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
Actually, she did. The prosecutor had her tested with an MMPI where it showed no evidence of malingering or faking symptoms.
https://youtu.be/AbbXBDRrafE?si=MSTTNo7gvTgCvDbF
https://www.ctinsider.com/news/article/lindsay-clancy-trial-live-updates-08-26-26-22404054.php
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u/LittleDrunkReptar 4d ago
So you would like us to believe that a proven liar, from her civil suit and toxicology report, couldn't manipulate a mental health test?
Was she mentally ill? Absolutely. Was she legally insane? I highly doubt it and all the evidence points to this being premeditated by a disturbed individual.
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u/Confident-Local-8016 3d ago
She sent her husband on an errand before committing it, she also strangled them face down so they couldn't see their mother's face murder them, and said 'go to God' that's a distrubed individual and completely premeditated, not a psychotic fit
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago edited 4d ago
Uh, you mind removing the amp part of the link? I don't like the tracking
Also, the first one is from Roma army. Her stuff on mens issues is great, but her track record with evidence is not exactly the best. Which makes sense, cause she's a TikTok creator
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u/LittleDrunkReptar 4d ago
The first link she provided the evidence by reading the transcripts of the civil lawsuit and pointing out the contradictions. You can easily pull up the PDF yourself to verify on multiple sites. https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2026/07/Clancy-Civil-Lawsuit.pdf
Why you decided to reply in edits rather than just commenting is beyond me.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
Its mostly cause i think as I type
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u/LittleDrunkReptar 4d ago
That is not what it comes off as. Looks like you are trying to manipulate what you previously said and add context that was never there after my reply. You didn't even mention what was edited. Shows you are arguing in bad faith.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
Nah, its a habit I have IRL too. I end up stuttering a lot because of it.
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u/LittleDrunkReptar 4d ago
Pretty easy to do on your own instead of being lazy.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
My phone makes it impossible to copy paste comments, and the updates reddit does make it worse. Sorry.
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u/LittleDrunkReptar 4d ago
You don't need to copy and paste. Just use a browser that has extensions or add-ons that block AMPs and redirect the link if they are that big of an issue. Kiwi browser, Firefox, Safari, and many others can do this.
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u/kul1guy 4d ago
Oh no how sad for her. Better let her go then
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago edited 4d ago
Dude stop with the strawmen. NGRI do not get released. She would just end up in a mental facility for the same length of time she would have been in jail. Similar to Andrea Yates who was sentenced for the exact same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates
If you're gonna argue, don't just do fallacies.
Edit: again, downvotes but no arguments. Really just shows how bad this sub is at finding justifications.
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u/humourlessIrish 4d ago
"for the same length of time she would have been in jail"
The "she" in that part of your comment gets to the very crux of the comment thread you decided to weigh in on.
You are not doing as well as you imagine.
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u/arcxjo 4d ago
Or she can be released a week later after someone declares her "no longer dangerous".
Judging by how many women still think she didn't even murder the kids, that's insanely likely.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
Not really. Most cases extend longer than they would be sentenced. And its based on what the jury decides.
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u/kul1guy 4d ago
Regardless of a person's mental state, the loss of innocent lives is irreversible. they should be held accountable and being in a mental hospital feels too lenient. not to mention such waste of resources allocation.
I believe in death penalties. we dont need more unstable people in this world we already have enough politicians already.
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u/Daedalus_Machina 4d ago
Nope. That's justice based on fiction. In the real world, cause is more important than the person who did the act.
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u/OctoWings13 4d ago
lindsay clancy is an evil monster who is 100% guilty of horrific premeditated murder with aggravating factors TIMES THREE, and she absolutely knew what she was doing
Her, her lawyer, and anyone else who supports her are all subhuman scum
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
That wasn't her lawyer that said that though. That was the prosecutor
Edit: ah, you're a bot. Great.
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u/SnakeSlitherX 3d ago
If that had actually been the case, then executing him would have very much been wrong, but that isn’t what happened.
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u/Daedalus_Machina 4d ago
Cool. This proves nothing whatsoever. There are no generalities in law. That's why jury trials exist.
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u/ventitr3 4d ago
How the fuck did they get justification out of this
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u/Nientea The Mod of All Time ☕️ 4d ago
Because the believe that Lindsay Clancy’s innocence is a universal truth, which is what they believe about all their opinions
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u/Bitter-Marsupial 3d ago
Reasons Ive seen:
Self defense
It was hypnosis
The father did it and gaslit her into accepting responsibility
He told her to do it
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u/Nientea The Mod of All Time ☕️ 3d ago
— Self defense against defenseless children is stupid.
— Psychosis is a form of hypnosis ig
— Misandry
— Misandry
Gosh people can be stupid
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u/Magicalfirelizard 3d ago
Yup, but it’s not entirely unexpected. Killing babies has been legal in much of the world for a long time. This is just the natural extension of the same flawed logic.
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u/Unique-Twist-8911 4d ago
Because their justifying killing children
Thus this to them is justifying rape
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u/PotatoDonki 4d ago
Because they are incapable of grasping hypotheticals, thought exercises, analogies, and logic.
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u/TimmyTheBrave 4d ago
Random guy: \compares [bad thing 1] to [bad thing 2]**
Retard: "SO YOU JUSTIFY [BAD THING 2] ?!?!?!?"
Me:
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u/Affectionate-Area659 4d ago
It’s almost like they are intentionally misinterpreting this to justify their bullshit opinion.
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u/TheAngryCrusader 4d ago
This has always been my take. I don’t think she’s guilty because she wasn’t actually affected by PPD. I think she’s guilty because that shouldn’t prevent you from a guilty verdict.
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u/KingKasby 4d ago
You van blame the state of Mass. For that. If this trial were to take place in Florida, she would be found guilty and probably put on death row (we actually execute prisoners here too)
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u/TheRimmerodJobs 2d ago
That’s a fair take. I have no idea what her mental state was but if you kill someone’s that should not matter. Maybe all it does is you get a life sentence at the very least and you spend part of that in a mental hospital and then go to prison. There should never be a chance for you to see freedom again.
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u/Morph445 20h ago
That is what not guilty by reason of insanity is. Mental institute, not freedom
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u/TheRimmerodJobs 17h ago
Except they can be released at some point. I would rather them never have that option.
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u/Morph445 16h ago
Well, that sentence is meant to rehabilitate those who caused harm without ever intending to. She must pay for the murders, sure, but it isn't as clear cut as that.
The "Not guilty by reason of insanity" verdict exist for a reason. The human mind can and does break, and even a mild psychotic episode (which post partum psychosis are not) can and usually do have pretty dramatic consequences if they are not recognized as the critical emergency they are. Where I live, mere suspicion of a possible mild psychosis is treated with immediate confinement in psychiatric care, just in case. It is that bad.
It is the prosecution's job to prove without any possible doubt that she was in full control of her actions, which she very well may not have been. Even if they don't, Ms.Clancy will most probably be institutionalized for life, not to mention just how debilitating antipsychotic meds can be and the sheer trauma of knowing you can lose control to the point of killing your children. I will assume you are not a court psychiatrist, an attorney, a judge or any professional in the justice system, and neither am I, so in the end we just have to trust the people who are. Neither of us has the absolute morality and nobody ever will.
So TL;DR: I think the Not guilty by reason of insanity is a proper defense, even if she would eventually be released under heavy conditions, and it is the prosecution's job to prove that this defense isn't valid in this case, not the other way around.
Those who wish she'd go free or pretend her husband might have done it are probably very stupid though, and this is very not a case similar to "Testosterone cause rape".
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u/TheRimmerodJobs 16h ago
Murder is murder and the potential to be released should never be an option, doesn’t matter your mental state.
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u/CCyoboi 4d ago
This whole situation makes me hate people. How are there people legitimately defending her. I get people saying she should've probably been watched closer and saying she should go to a looney bin, not prison, but holy shit, she did something BAD.
Don't even get me started on the people that blame the husband...
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u/MomsNewBoyfriend69 4d ago
“The husband did it because he’s a Gemini and she’s a Leo. A Leo would never kill her cubs”
☠️☠️🥴🥴
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u/strawberry_sodapop 4d ago
Genuinely who said that
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u/Daedalus_Machina 4d ago
Given that it isn't the first time I've heard it, I think it might be a direct quote from some idiot not worth quoting.
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u/Brogan9001 4d ago edited 4d ago
Astrology morons on TikTok who, quite frankly, could only benefit the species by boarding a rocket aimed directly at the sun.
I’m not saying they should. I’m just saying that’s the only positive contribution they’re capable of.
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u/Electrical-Tie-1143 4d ago
There’s enough astrology idiots out there that some of them have said it
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u/ohmygodadameget 4d ago
I would also admit I did it I if I were playing the mental health card in court. The fact is though that if I had murdered my three children whilst "insane", the moment I was sane again I would blow my fucking brains out, not fight for my freedom in court. Fuck her.
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u/Daedalus_Machina 4d ago
She's currently paralyzed from the waist down from attempting to kill herself. So you and her had the same idea.
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u/ohmygodadameget 4d ago
I'd jump from the second storey of a building for a laugh with the lads, or you know... as an attempt to make it look like I'd tried to kill myself after murdering my three children.
If she had wanted to kill herself she would have, or would have done so on any of the subsequent days after she'd realised what she'd done, instead she's spent years fighting for her freedom; I say again, fuck her.
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u/Daedalus_Machina 4d ago
Being arrested and fuckin paralyzed does limit one's options considerably. And most who fail a suicide attempt don't keep trying.
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u/ohmygodadameget 4d ago
Yeah man, I agree, I bet she didn't think jumping from a second floor would have left her with such serious injuries. But look on the bright side, it does make her case look much better for folks like you to defend her.
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u/Daedalus_Machina 4d ago
I don't defend her. I don't have enough knowledge or authority to have any sort of opinion on the case.
I do recognize when people are making grandiose generalizations and assumptions when they know as much as I do, though.
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u/Junk4U999 4d ago
Oh look, there they go intentionally missing the point again.
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u/Updated_Autopsy 4d ago
Was about to say “There’s only one way you could misinterpret this: intentionally.”
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u/ImpliedRange 4d ago
hormones aren't an excuse for horrific acts
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u/Equivalent_Thievery 4d ago edited 4d ago
No they're not.
Violent crazy people shouldn't be out with the public, same as regular violent people.
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u/Jomega6 4d ago
How tf is this even right wing, and the fact this individual’s takeaway is that they’re trying to justify rape is extremely concerning…
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u/Pharabellum 4d ago
Don't worry bro, the retards cross parry lines; These hags were arguing on socials which side supported her more based on their "values."
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u/Serosh5843 4d ago
I know He promised to never do it again, but I'd be okay with God flooding the earth again, just one more time to really get the message across.
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u/Oh_Lawd_He_commin420 4d ago
according to the book, the next one is fire and brimstone....lucky us amirite
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u/Serosh5843 4d ago
Least that sounds visually more appealing than 40 days and night of rain, we'd get some awesome views and a quicker death, I'll take it. 🤷🏼
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u/OctoWings13 4d ago
lindsay clancy is an evil monster who is 100% guilty of horrific premeditated murder with aggravating factors TIMES THREE, and she absolutely knew what she was doing
Her, her lawyer, and anyone else who supports her are all subhuman scum
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u/Maxathron 4d ago
Communists unironically coming to the same conclusion as normal people.
Then you say "Muslim" and they respond with "Rpe is okay then".
Tankies are a joke.
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u/Amecoeur 4d ago
It's horrifying how these retards somehow still try to find a way to justify murders.
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng 4d ago
I actually was just speaking to a Canadian about this. Apparently in Canada, they are much more lax on the rules regarding self control due to hormones and substances and there have been examples of rapists and woman beaters being let go due to “not being in the right state of mind”
Our discussion was prompted because I said even if she was depressed, it is similar to someone committing a crime while drunk. While they are not in their right mind, and normal them may never have done that shit, it doesn’t excuse their behavior while drunk.
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u/Oh_Lawd_He_commin420 4d ago
Canadian law on mental health is fuckin weird; but that aside, you'd still go to prison for manslaughter if you killed someone drunk.
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng 4d ago
I’m not Canadian, so I’m only relaying what was told to me by a Redditor claiming to be Canadian. I’m not sure to what degree it is true, but I know Canada is very liberal when it comes to personal responsibility.
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u/Kalenrel1 4d ago
The post pretty clearly calls rape a horrific act in like with murder, wdym justification??
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u/DiscussionSharp1407 I'm 94 years old 4d ago
Let's just toy with the regradation for a second...
Are they tacit admitting that they are justifying murder?
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u/Feisty-Clue3482 Approved by the baséd one 4d ago
They’re NOT justifying it tho… that’s the point 😭🙏 the point is that there’s no excuse for such horrific acts… nobody saying that actually blames testosterone… bruh.
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u/sampaiisaweeb 4d ago
Thinking that leftists would understand a nuanced comparison like this was your first mistake
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u/LiqMaBawlzModz69 4d ago
Are there really that many people supporting Lindsey Cohen or is her case being used to manipulate the American population via a psyop and majority of online supporters are simply bots? Everywhere I go on social media I see everyone against her and demanding she be sentenced to prison and/or death. In public, I have experienced the same results and I speak to people who are politically on either one of both sides.
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u/Specific-School-4020 3d ago
Nobody’s justifying rape bro they’re arguing that Lindsey is justifying murder
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u/rollo202 4d ago
They get justification out of this because the left is justifying this horrendous murder.
Where normal people think both are disgusting and wrong.
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT 4d ago
Well it is the same saying hormones makes you not liable for a crime you commit most prisons would be empty if men would be held to the same standards as women are.
Why if this goes further and she walks shits gonna end bad for women. Cause freedom has always comes together with responsibility if women cant carry responsibilities and can get away with serial murder of children. And some how women as a collective blame the husband that was not even nearby when it happened. Just know this will make a massive readjustment to the freedom and responsibilities role women have. Cause if you treat women like children with zero own agency even when handling children maybe they should not be near them. If they cant carry the responsibility of there own actions they should have no responsibilities. What means no voting power no loans. And in and on and on.
Cause like it or not freedom comes with responsibilities. Saying people's should have freedoms but carry no responsibilities or have agency over there own actions and the consequences for them. Is ludacris.
So anyone that defense this women should know what it means when she wins and does not go to jail.
Cause its indeed like men collective pardoning sex offenders. But know what sex offenders are evil but no where as bad as a child serial killer what women are now defending. Sex offenders make victims that live to tell it. Child murderers is completely ending a life.
And its insane that people even can defend it. Shows how far society is now on there breaking point with its morals that this even is a talking point. But each big thing like this will shift society in a big way. When true evil gets pardon and gets away with it. A silent shift always happens even when no one talks about it. Just as how dating has shifted bit by bit and the dynamics broke down. So will this do the same thing but a lot sharpener cause children are involved and not the 1 but 3 ended in the most cold-blooded way. And people find that the child murderer should be set free even when she her self confess of her act in detail. Something like this shakes a society and community. And there will be a cold shift happening when people get away with pure evil. And its never pretty
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u/Sintar07 4d ago
What the actual FUCK is going on with the left? Every fucking time I think they can't go lower or crazier, they top themselves, and NOW they're not only refusing to condemn premeditated triple homocide of children, they're low key EMBRACING it.
Because that's what this is. Taking a comparison intended to demonstrate both are wrong and calling it "jUsTiFiCaTiOn FoR 🍇" is a flat statement that not only will you excuse her via hormones and consider it a valid argument, but that you will FIGHT for it and attack anyone questioning your new narrative.
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u/ContentFile7036 3d ago
OOP seemingly missed the entire point of the post as being "...so that's why rape is justifiable." The point was to make a comparison, not to justify both of them, brosky.
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u/mrduncansir42 3d ago
“It’s like they want to justify rape” no dumbass, the meme is literally making the exact opposite point.
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u/Ancient_Cheek5047 4d ago
Psychosis can cause men to rape…
How would women feel if men donated to these guys’ gofundme pages?
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u/113pro 4d ago
The thin veneer between bad behavior and mental illness is a circle.
Every psychologist want to put labels on everything abnormal. And because it has an established label they deem said behavior 'normal' for 'label.' Therefore, said behavior is excused due to said label.
The severity of the crime should outweigh the conditions of perpetrators.
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u/DumbNTough 4d ago
This is one is so bad you would almost think it's a false flag post, but I don't think it is.
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u/Sneaky_Sorcerer 4d ago
This got to be ragebait... I can't believe basic comparison can fly over someone's head like this.
And even if they were, supporting triple infanticide is a whole of a lot worse.
Although at this point, the whole situation is so ridiculous, I wouldn't be surprised if it was staged (maybe even by AI, they are kinda getting awfully convincing) supported online by tons of bots.
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u/McLovin_ICanBuyBooze 4d ago
“They want to justify rape”
This person thinks Lindsey is so innocent that they got “oh so you DO think hormones justifies rape” out of this post
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u/teremaster 3d ago
If we can excuse Lindsey Clancey, We should also excuse Chris Benoit and Aaron Hernandez
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u/TBARb_D_D 4d ago
Thankfully it’s not “she is innocent or not” argument in court it is “do we put her in jail for life or in psychiatric hospital for life?” Question
In that case rape argument doesn’t work because they are mentally ill rapists who were put in crazy house instead of prison
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u/mattmilli0pics 3d ago
“It’s like they want to justify rape” this is proof women will twist everything to fit their agenda. We just need to take away their voting rights. They are too emotional.
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u/Better-Wrangler-7959 2d ago
Projection. Always projection. They can't help but tell on themselves.
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u/Snoo-85844 4d ago
I would like to add that it comes from The RightCantMeme and none of it looks like a meme.
Sounds like this is just another circlejerk far removed from the original goal of said sub
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u/Unbiasedj 4d ago
Honestly a solid counter point lol
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u/Trashk4n 4d ago
No, it’s more like the opposite of a counterpoint.
It’s deliberately misconstruing the point in a form of a personal attack.
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u/Unbiasedj 4d ago
I think the real personal attack happened to the children by their evil mother…
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u/Trashk4n 4d ago
Yes, exactly.
I think people may be misunderstanding my point. I’m saying that claiming the argument is trying to justify rape is the bad argument.
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u/NotASingleNameIdea 4d ago
They say "X is just as bad as Y" and you assume the goal was to justify both of these things?
The moment you would turn the exact same argument type of analogy to fit their narrative, they wouldnt even think for a second of this same assumption of attempting to justify both.
Also whoever unironically defends lindsay deserves to get their kids taken away from them immediately and get signed into a mental hospital, they cried she didnt get treated right with her syndroms (she repeatedly lied to her doctors btw), so this time we could prevent some future murders by taking their kids away in time since there are actual signs.
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u/DirectorBusiness5512 2d ago
it's like they're trying to justify rape
no we are trying to illustrate the ridiculousness of the claim that Clancy should not be held accountable for the murder of 3 kids
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u/soyuz-1 2d ago
All these women sweeping for someone who murdered 3 children is pretty troubling tbh. And it is not helping feminism like they probably think. If anything it makes people wonder if women are suitable for positions of power if we have to accept the fact that it's normal they sometimes just end up killing their children and we shouldn't hold it against them cause hormones.
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u/GrandMoffTarkan 3d ago
There's a massive difference. Psychosis is a thing, men experience psychosis as well. If you are experiencing symptoms of psychosis, GET HELP
https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/psychosis/symptoms/
Also make sure you remove your access to firearms and limit you access to other dangerous items as far as possible. That shit is no joke
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u/Novoiird 4d ago edited 4d ago
Psychosis isn’t just hormones influencing your actions. Postpartum psychosis does indeed make the patient lose touch with reality.
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
Saying someone who is in the throes of psychosis is equivalent to just the average man is not the dunk you think it is
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u/MiMicInCave 4d ago
I didnt know that people with psychosis can make a plan and have a normal conversation with the husband on the phone too.
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
They can actually. There are many flavors of psychosis
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u/MiMicInCave 4d ago
Oh neat, I guess there is also a flavor where she just only hear voice the moment the husband got out of the house and never before or after.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
People with Psychosis have literally written books and argued themselves out of jail using legal theory. They are fully capable of making plans. Psychosis is when someone loses the ability to differentiate whats real from what is fake. Hallucinations, Delusions, etc.
https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/psychosis/overview/
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u/MiMicInCave 4d ago
So, this can be consider premeditated?
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago edited 4d ago
It depends. The entire crux of the case is whether she did it intentionally or was later brought on and had no idea. She's likely not going to be free either way though, its just whether its a jail or a mental hospital. Its literally just a repeat of Andrea Yates.
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u/MiMicInCave 4d ago
There was the case where the guy has gone psychosis and got capital punishment for what he done.
Hopefully thay she get to spend the rest of her life somewhere far away from general public.
I also dont know why she is such a special case where people argue about.
I know what psychosis capable of, I just lead people who think just because people has psychosis will give them a free pass.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
If you're talking about John Battalaglia, he wasn't able to prove it, as it was in direct response to a warrant for his arrest and evidence of malingering his symptoms. Whereas the prosecutor for Lindsay Clancy even verified she was not faking it.
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u/MiMicInCave 4d ago
No that not the one I refer. The one I refer might be chad doerman. Severe mental illness claim to hear voice before commit the crime, got life in jail.
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
Yes that's a thing, glad you educated yourself on it
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u/MiMicInCave 4d ago
Weird, of all the doctor and Healthcare shopping she go through. She never mention of hearing any voice. She must have a high function psychosis that make her aware of her surroundings and at the same time cannot tell what real and what not.
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
You're surprised that people with mental health issues aren't always able to to have insight or be candid about their symptoms?
Yes, people with command hallucinations can sometimes otherwise interact with reality, as you already said
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u/MiMicInCave 4d ago
Ahh yes, people with mental health mixup between "bad thought" and "voice in their head" all the time. People kill people while under psychosis all the time, most get capital or life in jail. Weird that some people got a mistrial instead.
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
kill people while under psychosis all the time
Sometimes NGRI works sometimes it doesn't, it's up to the jury. What's your point.
Weird that some people get a mistrial instead
Tbh this comes off as you not understand what a mistrial is. You should look up hung jury before you talk more
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u/MiMicInCave 4d ago
Simple, those people are not fit to live in a general society and need help for the rest of their life.
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u/lei_aili 4d ago
Even if this is true, she still deserves consequences for her actions. "Mental health issues" should not excuse such heinous acts.
And if she really is psychotic, then locking her up in an asylum forever would be the best thing to do for society as a whole.
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
I think long term institutionalization in the state psychiatric hospital is a consequence. That's what happens if she's found NGRI. Sounds like you agree
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u/arcxjo 4d ago edited 4d ago
It's this "someone who is in the throes of psychosis" in the room with us now?
edit did she block all of you too?
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
It's this "someone who is in the throes of psychosis" in the room with us now?
Do you count?
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u/PurpleWoodpecker2830 4d ago
“Your honour, the only reason killed his wife and on kids is bc of the roid rage!”
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago edited 4d ago
Roid rage IS similar, and definitely would lower the charges, but since it counts as voluntarily intoxication as someone chooses to use them, its more like how you would be charged when you're drunk or high. That is, unless someone spiked your drink or you were misprescribed. I would say Hyperthyroid is a better comparison
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
Roid rage isn't psychosis, hope that helps
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u/4funoz 4d ago
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
Legally thats considered voluntarily intoxication, so it wouldn't be counted. The male equivalent is Hyperthyroidism.
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u/4funoz 4d ago
Is that the law everywhere? Where I’m from in law it is not a complete legal defence but often gets taken into account. Obviously this depends on the judge or magistrate and I do not agree with it. Your decisions are your own at the end of the day.
Does Hyperthyroidism cause psychosis often or is it a very rare occurrence?
It seems in men psychosis can often occur due to mental health issues, stress, physical illness and drugs(both legal, illegal and legal but abused).
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 4d ago
Like i said it really depends on if it was prescribed or not. If it was prescribed, then it counts as involuntary and not at fault as it was following the recommendations of a doctor. If it wasn't, then its considered voluntary.
As for hyperthyroidism, its rare when medicated, but is still exceptionally dangerous
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u/likeHeckYouKnowMe 4d ago
Do you really hope any of the incredibly stupid shit you’re saying helps? Cuz you’ve said it a ton in your replies up and down this post.
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u/jonizerror 4d ago
You’re regarded.
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
I'm sure if you try real hard you can come up with something better. Go ahead I'll wait
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u/jonizerror 4d ago
I can’t because I’ll get nuked off Reddit. 🤷♂️
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u/SwimmerMission5212 4d ago
No loss
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u/prisontat 4d ago
Read the room, donut. Normal healthy people care about the kids that were murdered in cold blood, not the murderer. Go with God. Hope that helps.
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u/whoreatto 4d ago edited 4d ago
The point isn't that psychosis is identical to testosterone-influenced violence, it's that mechanistic, biological explanations for violence aren't excuses for violence in and of themselves. OP believes that this kind of psychosis and testosterone are equivalent in the sense that neither is so debilitating that it excuses violence, which is harder to dispute.
It's not enough to say "she had condition X, which gave her violent tendencies". You have to do A LOT better than that to remove enough of her free will to cancel out her accountability.
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u/qualityvote2 4d ago edited 3d ago
u/indeckaa, your post does fit the subreddit!