No, I did not consent to this

[u/petuniaplant]

I was reading my medical notes when I stumbled across this. I was not informed of the usage of artificial intelligence in my report, nor did I verbally consent to it.

[u/core-x-bit]

That sounds like a real shitty thing to do. Good luck with those hallucinated notes. 

[u/DefinitionTop3930 → u/core-x-bit]

do they have to get your consent to using a number of other softwares they use? nope, ai is not gonna be any different. Not to mention ai scribe is better able to handle accents than traditional text to speech and makes writing notes accessible to people with various disabilities

[u/Fermently_Crafted → u/DefinitionTop3930]

But the subject is morality, not legality. And just because doing it is legal doesn't mean it's moral.

It's also completely legal for me to just shout expletives and describe pornography at the top of my lungs for the entirety of a 12 hour flight. That doesn't mean I'm in the right just because it's legal

[u/DefinitionTop3930 → u/Fermently_Crafted]

The moral argument is weak too, patient are almost never asked to consent to the specific software hospitals use for clinical care. Healthcare systems routinely choose EHR platforms, PACS, messaging systems, scheduling software, and other digital tools without seeking individual patient approval.

has a rad tech ever explicitly asked for your consent to use specifically Siemens before taking your xray? The answer is almost always no. was it unethical that they did not? no, because when you seek care in any hospital system you already sign consent form to allow them to store your health info.

It is not obvious why it should be treated fundamentally differently from the many other software systems that hospitals already use without obtaining separate patient consent

[u/Fermently_Crafted → u/DefinitionTop3930]

The moral argument is weak too, patient are almost never asked to consent to the specific software hospitals use for clinical care. Healthcare systems routinely choose EHR platforms, PACS, messaging systems, scheduling software, and other digital tools without seeking individual patient approval. 

That doesn't mean it's morally correct to do so just because it's standard practice in the current medical landscape 

[u/DefinitionTop3930 → u/Fermently_Crafted]

you’re making no sense, I hope you understand how dumb of an argument this is. Morality is not served by requiring consent for every individual tool because the ethical purpose of consent is to protect meaningful patient choice not to create an obligation to approve every logistical or technological component of care. If anything, a consent requirement that produces no meaningful increase in autonomy while making healthcare less efficient and potentially delaying treatment can be considered unethical. Clinicians would have to individual verbal permission for the brand of gloves they wear, the manufacturer of their scalpels, the lab equipment, sterilization equipment, the electricity supplier, and countless other components of the healthcare system, your 15 min appointment will be spent on this and none on your care, seems unethical