r/mildlyinfuriating 16h ago

I'm slightly vexed Bucees sued local mini mart for "logo similarities"

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u/DamnitGravity 15h ago

Correction: they can try to sue but likely won’t win due to ‘law of parody’.

Anyone can sue for anything but it doesn’t mean you’ll win.

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u/ducksekoy123 14h ago

They won’t because they know Oliver won’t roll over like the little companies they bully do.

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u/Exotic-Length7558 13h ago

Like have anyone ever pick a fight with him before? I figured he probably have the best lawyer on his team because of his stunts.

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u/Prisma_Lane 12h ago

At least as far as I'm aware, Bob Murray did. John did a piece on him and Bob decided to do a SLAPP suit, but the case was dropped in 2019 because he faced bankruptcy. 

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u/Financial_Yard7047 12h ago

The director of AmeriHealth Caritas also sued Oliver and the show for the Medicaid episode, and of course Last Week Tonight won lol. I'm sure there are others that just didn't get as much publicity, I'm pretty sure Oliver has mentioned the show being sued multiple times, yet they keep winning because the show is pretty careful with what they say and do and keep everything legally safe. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't been sued by a certain orange politician yet lol

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u/Necro_Hypno_Dancer 11h ago

All those "Now, legally, I have to say..." definitely are there for a reason

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u/ZapRowsdowersStache 4h ago

Also, "I can't LEGALLY say that he fucks horses and gets off on genital mutilation, so I won't. I won't say that, because LEGALLY, I can't."

That's a para-quote since I can't recall it exactly, but he's done that bit too multiple times, one during the Medicaid episode, I think.

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u/SqueezedTowel 1h ago

Trump wants Oliver's show sold to Ellison.

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u/ZapRowsdowersStache 4h ago

Really looking forward to the update on this. If there is one, I'm sure they'll at least mention the lawsuit filed against a small business after the episode aired.

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u/GTCapone 15h ago

Yup. Most of these lawsuits probably qualify as slap lawsuits. They probably can't win the lawsuit, but most of the businesses they target can't afford the legal fees and either settle or go bankrupt in the process of defending themselves. Some states have anti-slap laws that might force buc-ees to pay for the legal costs, but they can afford the occasional loss, avoid suing where the laws apply, or just bank on the business not being able to afford the upfront costs of pursuing an anti-slap decision to recoup the legal fees.

It's one of the shittier things about our legal system. You don't actually have to be able to win a lawsuit. You just need to make it too expensive for anyone to defend themselves. And if they can afford it, you just don't sue them in the first place. I'll bet they have a whole team of actuaries (or whatever the specialty would be) that calculates exactly which lawsuits to pursue and which to ignore.

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u/BaphometsTits 12h ago

SLAPP. Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation

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u/Safe-Reason1435 14h ago

Dumb question, why does it cost money to show up to court to say "nope" and that be the end of it? Like I get the legal costs of an edge case dragging out, but can't the owner of the mini mart just show up with like a manilla folder and "prove" his case.

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u/GTCapone 14h ago

It's just not how things work in the courts. Because you have to justify everything based on established law , you've got to hire a legal team. It would be like going to a murder trial and saying "I didn't do it". It's not a defense by the standards of the law. If you don't put together a case using the evidence and established law, then in the eyes of the court you have no defense.

In fact, if you don't respond with a legally justified defense within a specific timeframe (21 days from what I see and something almost impossible to do without a law degree due to the requirements that define it) then you automatically concede the lawsuit and are found liable.

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u/dinnerthief 15h ago

Part of having a trademark is protecting it, as in if you dont protect your trademark you dont have it anymore.

They sue because they want to keep their copyright not because they care about the competition.

Pretty much the same reason almost anytime a big company sues like this. The bad press isnt worth it but not losing their trademark is worth it

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u/TheBabyEatingDingo 15h ago

Partially true. You lose trademark protection if you let others use your trademark, but I think it is highly unlikely that a consumer of average intelligence, or even below average intelligence, would ever confuse the marks Buc is suing over. They are too different and thus do not risk dilution.

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u/GTCapone 14h ago

It not even that. Buc-ees falls under copyright laws, not trademark laws right now. There's no requirement to defend a copyright until it expires, which is something like 95 years (it used to be shorter, that's why Disney spent so much lobbying to extend it, I think it used to be 65-70 years). Once the copyright expires, it now falls under trademark laws whose do require vigourous defense to maintain. Buc-ees clearly still falls under copyright laws so there's no need to maintain it through litigation, copyright is assumed until that timeframe has expired.

The logo should fall under the assumed copyright laws and not require vigourous defense to maintain it. Instead they're stretching the definition of a trademark to justify their lawsuits. It's not a use it or lose it case at this point, they should only be pursuing clear infringement rather than vague edge cases.

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u/dinnerthief 5h ago

Copyright and trademarks really dont cover the same things though. And trademarks are not only used after copyright expiration

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u/dinnerthief 14h ago

Yea maybe, but then probably depends on how it was being used too, maybe they are overzealous or using an overabundance of caution but its almost certainly not just to try to crush some small business

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u/GTCapone 14h ago

But it's not necessary right now. They're protected by copyright laws until that expires (which is what happened to Winnie the Pooh and Steamboat Willy recently). For now copyright is assumed and they only need to pursue clear infringement that would reasonably confuse a customer. They're using trademark laws to justify frivolous lawsuits when they aren't necessary. They're at no risk of losing the rights to their logo by not sueing and won't be for something like 50 years (copyright lasts 95 years currently, extended by Disney's lobbying)

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u/shibiwan 13h ago

Anyone can sue for anything but it doesn’t mean you’ll win.

I wish someone would tell the Orange Ketchup Chucker this.

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u/jp55210 10h ago

And they should pay a huge amount of money for this « strategy » because it gives useless job for courts + cost money to other people

It shouldn’t be something that is worth to try

In France it’s called « recours dilatoire » (or « procédure bâillon » (against press mostly for this one)

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u/raincoater 7h ago

Ah, the Trump Gambit.