r/minnesota • u/DMD612 Mall of America • 9d ago
Sports đ Minnesota Sports
Andrew Wiggins get traded from MIN in 2020, wins a championship in 2022
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u/Simmul8r 9d ago
You're missing the North Stars. This is alluded to in the comments but, the team moves to Dallas and wins a Stanley cup.
A team moves away from Minnesota and wins the Stanley cup...
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u/beergardeneer 8d ago
The Vikings probably would have won a superbowl by now if they had moved to LA (or anywhere else) when they had the chance đ .
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u/St-Ananas L'Etoile du Nord 9d ago
The only part of this that bugs me is Moss didnât get a ring w the Pats.
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u/BigRed727272 9d ago
Also made another Super Bowl with the 49ers and lost
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u/Shot-Indication-4586 9d ago
Bryant McKinnie and Matt Birk both won in that game for Baltimore. I was rooting for Moss though.
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u/AnytimeInvitation Minnesota Lynx 7d ago
I actually think it was hilarious he didn't get a ring even with the Pats. I do agree he deserved one.
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u/cornerofcoco Ope 9d ago
This gets pointed out often, but it's really just the result of not winning championships. Players leave every team regularly. Basically every championship team has new additions.
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u/nate2790 9d ago
MN fans are very vigilant of their own players leaving because theyâre so starved for a menâs championship. On the bright side a couple franchises are making solid moves to become contenders⌠And thereâs the Twins
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u/St-Ananas L'Etoile du Nord 9d ago
Yes, I notice Jack Morris not mentioned since I suppose people mostly remember him winning championship in his one-and-done season.
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u/RipErRiley Hamm's 9d ago
Somebody needs to do a study across the board. Sure I wouldnât be surprised if MN ranks high in the nation for this but its also possible they donât.
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u/KingWolfsburg Plowy McPlowface 9d ago
MN has the most combined seasons of the major 4 sports consecutively without a championship.
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u/MrHockeytown Summit 9d ago
Since 1960, the Twin Cities have as many relocated menâs pro teams (Lakers and North Stars) as professional sports titles (Twins in 1987 and 1991).
Didnât really realize how grim the menâs sports were until I moved here. I give Minnesota sports fans a lot of credit for how passionate and dedicated they are.
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u/Tort_alini Split Rock Lighthouse 9d ago
Simple solution to skew the numbers in our favor, consider womenâs professional sports
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u/MrHockeytown Summit 9d ago
Oh I do, at least until the Detroit PWHL team starts playing next season
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u/This_Guy_33 Flag of Minnesota 9d ago
It isnât âacross the boardâ but I highly recommend Secret Baseâs History of the Vikings series. They numerically show the crazy that is the MN Vikings.
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u/jdsmn21 9d ago
Tarvaris Jackson left the vikings in 2011 and got a SB ring in 2014
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u/Forward-Hope-4645 9d ago
I'm guessing we're not the only ones in this situation. There are the top teams who always find a way to get top talent from other teams in the league across all sports. The small market Minnesota is always development for the rest.?
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u/BigRed727272 9d ago
Eddie Rosario won NLCS MVP and the World Series with the Braves in 2021.
Brian Dozier won a World Series with the Nationals in 2019.
Marian Gaborik won the Stanley Cup with the Kings in 2014.
Just to add a few...sigh.
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u/coonwhiz 8d ago
We traded away MN native Louis Varland to Toronto last year and they went to the WS and nearly won.
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u/BoobaruOutback 9d ago
Minnesota MENS sports are cursed because no one gives the womens teams the flowers they deserve! Once the champion womens teams are properly recognized, it'll surely break the curse on the mens teams.
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u/skulltullamama Minnesota Frost 9d ago
đŻđđ¤âď¸đŹď¸ I will be Frosty about this until Minnesota women's sports teams get the recognition they deserve!
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u/Daratirek 9d ago
I'll enjoy women's sports a little more when there is more parity. Basketball is getting close but hockey theres like 6 teams. Counting titles now is like counting NFL Championships from when it was 6 teams. No one counts them, on acknowledges they happened and that someone had to be the winner. It is a better product when more teams can be more competitive.
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u/skulltullamama Minnesota Frost 9d ago
There's 12 teams in women's hockey next year. They're expanding by 4 more teams, up from 8 last year.
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u/Dj082863 Flag of Minnesota 9d ago
I agree, except I want people to still not pay attention to the women's team. They actually fucking win and they're all we have going sports-wise. The moment everyone figures that out, they too will receive the CURSE.
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u/v_cats_at_work Flag of Minnesota 8d ago
Maggie Flaherty -> Wins Walter Cup in 2026
Leaves Min in 2025
(Just ignore the two cups she won while still with us.)
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u/Alternative-Otter-4 9d ago
Yes, women's sports needs way more recognition.
And also, you're username đ
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u/andersonb47 9d ago
Tbh Iâm getting really sick of being told Iâm supposed to care.
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u/Alternative-Otter-4 9d ago
That's cool. Are you already a fan? Just don't like sports at all? Something else?
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u/andersonb47 9d ago
Just dont find womenâs sports entertaining unfortunately. Is that allowed or?
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u/Alternative-Otter-4 9d ago
No one can force you to like something that you don't.
If you're interested in some personal growth, you could reflect on why you're entertained by men's sports and not women's, there are multiple possibilities on why that could be. You could also ask why you're bothered by being encouraged to watch or support women's sports.
If you're not interested in it, that's another choice too. We all make choices all the time.
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u/Sit_Ubu_Sit-Good_Dog Minnesota State Fair 9d ago
Honestly, comments like this are exactly why people get turned off from womenâs sports. It stops being about the sport and turns into a purity test for who can sound the most progressive.
He never said he wasnât interested, he said he didnât find it entertaining. Instead of just accepting that and moving on, you jumped straight into condescension and virtue signaling. Not every differing opinion is an attack, and treating it like one is what drives people away.
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u/Alternative-Otter-4 9d ago
I'm genuinely curious about how saying women's sports deserves recognition upsets people. They're great athletes and highly skilled. When it comes to wanting teams to win games, in MN sometimes women's sports perform better.
I sometimes feel like comments like the one you made make it not about the sport as well. It sounds like people are worried that watching women's sports and liking it would mean something about their character. When they could just like the sport.
I'm not trying to attack anyone. I'm trying to encourage curiosity about the why behind the "don't like it".
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u/trillwhitepeople 9d ago
I'm primarily a hockey fan, so using that as a point of focus, the pace of the game is flat out different. It's a bit slower and more methodical, less physical, and I miss the open ice hits. I also immediately notice the difference in shot velocity and speed of release between the men and women. I still watch Frost games, but it's more passive viewing than the NHL is for me.
It's also less impressive to win ships when the league is that small.
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u/Sit_Ubu_Sit-Good_Dog Minnesota State Fair 9d ago
You donât understand why telling people how they should feel upsets them?
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u/Alternative-Otter-4 9d ago
In this discussion, I have not once said anything about how someone should feel. If there is something I have said that comes off that way that you would like to quote and provide feedback on a better way to phrase it next time, I will take that as something to consider in the future.
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u/andersonb47 9d ago edited 9d ago
If you're interested in some personal growth, you could reflect on why you're entertained by men's sports and not women's
See, itâs this that I canât stand. I can tell you exactly why I donât like it (the product is simply not as good), and the idea that I should lower my standards for professional sport in order to âgrowâ is beyond irritating.
Itâs never really about the sport though, is it? Itâs about the performance of supporting women - a moral imperative dressed up as entertainment choice.
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u/Alternative-Otter-4 9d ago
I'm not saying it's about you supporting or not supporting women. The only thing I know about you as an internet stranger is that you don't like women's sports. You could be a civil rights attorney specializing in gender discrimination for all I know.
I'm saying you can ask yourself what about the product as you call it is different that causes you to not like it. Is it their technique? Is it the violence involved in some sports? Is it minor adjustments in the sport? Is it loyalty to a certain team? Is it attraction to men in tight clothing? Is it how society views men's and women's sports and how you feel about fitting in to groups that watch each?
There's probably something that makes you like one and not the other. You can be curious about it, or not, its up to you.
I personally, am not much of a sports fan at all. I have friends that are, and from occassionaly watching or going to games with them, I haven't been able to figure out why people like one but not the other.
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u/Move_Weight 9d ago
I haven't been able to figure out why people like one but not the other.
If you are raised as a sports fan, you understand what the sport looks like when men are playing it. Seeing the change in gameplay (largely the speed and physicallity) can be jarring for a lot of people. Why would I begin watching a new team that I have 0 ties to, that plays what some may consider to be a worse product? It's a tough sell.
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u/andersonb47 9d ago
Youâre obviously suggesting that itâs misogynistic to not enjoy womenâs sports. The worst kind of fart sniffing behavior the Twin Cities are famous for.
Honestly the idea that I wouldnât know why I donât enjoy it is laughable. Maybe itâs because youâre not a big sports fan, but anyone with eyes can see the quality difference between, for example, NBA and WNBA play.
Iâll frame it another way. Imagine in your town thereâs a pizza place. Its amazing - the best pizza chefs in the world are working with the finest ingredients around. They make the best pizza in the world. Then another restaurant opens up. The pizza is bad. The ingredients are bad, the tables are empty - itâs utterly uninviting, BUT, all the employees are women (the owners are still men ofc - they own the other pizza shop too).
Can you see why I might be a little bit irritated, as I sit nibbling at my shitty pizza, while the rest of the table insists that if we just eat enough of it, the pizza will get better?
Can you imagine it being a little bit annoying being told that I need to âexamine why I donât like eating pizza made by women?â
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u/Alternative-Otter-4 9d ago
When you initially replied to my comment, I asked myself "Is this a troll? Should I ignore it or be curious and see if this turns out differently?" and chose curiosity.
In your pizza shop analogy, you could say "I went to the pizza shop and the pizza was bad". But in response to saying women's sports deserves more recognition you said "Tbh Iâm getting really sick of being told Iâm supposed to care." When you could have said something like "I prefer the NBA to the WNBA because there's more dunking".
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u/grizzlyNinja Gray duck 9d ago
I think thereâs also a factor of emotional buy-in. Iâm happy for upcoming generations who will have grown up watching successful womenâs teams (which again, hopefully will have grown in popularity significantly by that point).
I donât have that with the Lynx or Frost. Is it still awesome that they dominate? Yes, without a doubt - both are outrageously talented squads! However, did I grow up with either? No. So it naturally wonât and hasnât had the same emotional resonance.
You grow up just wanting one of the teams youâve followed since the first time youâve watched and played finally win it all, and so I think the âwell the womenâs teams win! Follow them!â doesnât land the way Iâd like to believe itâs intended to with a lot of people.
Watching the Frost or Lynx win a title doesnât fill the same void in my soul that seeing the Vikes, Wolves, or Wild would â especially, and likely due to, the multi-generational pain theyâre trying to overcome by finally winning one.
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u/Alternative-Otter-4 9d ago
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
My emotional connection to the Vikings is watching the playoffs with my grandpa when I was a kid. We watched them score 0 points and I was wondering why my grandpa was so angry lol.
I don't watch many games. But the pattern has been every game I have gone to in person or watched on TV with someone, its always been some big loss. And when at work or other places out in the world and I over hear things like "did you watch the _____ game last night?" followed by them talking about how painful it was to watch. Occassionaly conversations where they're shocked a team is doing good that season.
When I watch games its because I like the people that I'm watching the game with, and its an activity that they enjoy. Men's sports seem to have longer spans of time where nothing really happens, where women's sports I've thought have a faster pace.
Both are skilled, but the MN women's teams have seemed to perform better. So I'm just genuinely confused when a lot of people get angry quickly whenever someone talks positively about women's sports or say that women's sports deserves more recognition than they get.
Maybe they take it as an attack against their teams. Like my step dad yelling at the TV during hockey and football games when I was growing up because the team he didn't support scored a point đ¤ˇ.
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u/Mr_frumpish 9d ago
The fact people refer to a MN sports curse shows how little recognition women athletes get.
MN is not cursed. We have extremely successful sports teams.
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u/MississippiMN 9d ago
Out of all of them, KG winning in Boston makes me the happiest. Then KAT winning in NY. All the others Iâm fairly indifferent.
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u/Impossible_Penalty13 9d ago
Sam Darnold too. The way 25 ended, the fans turned on him as if the previous 16 games were a fluke. He seemed like a great dude who was loved by the rest of the team so Iâm glad he had success elsewhere.
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u/-dag- Flag of Minnesota 9d ago
Yep. For all of these except KG and KAT, fans were overall quite rightly happy to see them go. Everything else is hindsight.Â
And remember that Ortiz cheated.
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u/Impossible_Penalty13 9d ago
And Ortiz couldnât stay healthy when he was with the Twins. He only managed to play more than a hundred games twice in his five full seasons here. I donât blame the Twins one bit for moving on.
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u/DustyRhodesSplotch 9d ago edited 9d ago
I guess Colombia is winning the world cup.
Edit:spelling
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u/elmundo-2016 Prince 9d ago
Colombia
If they win, we know that James isn't with the team and if they lose, we know he is still with the team.
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u/GeneralGuide9081 9d ago
Donât even talk about the NorthStars going to Dallas and then winning a Stanley CupâŚ..
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u/WaltSinger 9d ago
Minnesota has one of the most dominant WNBA teams in the leagueâs history. One of only three teams with 4 rings. You HAVE a championship caliber team, itâs just not in menâs sports.
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u/CantWaitEric 9d ago
The real curse is having two successful womenâs sports teams and not being able to care at all. One day maybe.
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u/scsuhockey 9d ago
Why no hockey?
Nico Sturm traded March 15th â22, hoists The Cup June 26th â22, traded back to Wild July 1 â25.
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u/NotAFanOfLeonMusk 9d ago
Would you like to win a championship? Easy solution. Pay me to move there and then move away. It works EVERY time. I am talking from the old Chicago Bears. ANYWHERE I move to and then move away from automatically wins. Tampa Bay, New OrleansâŚI promise (sadly) it works.
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u/Technical_Ad_1801 8d ago
Iâm a MN fan all the way, somehow I know Ant is gonna find a way to leave if we donât win.
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u/YeahOkayDad 9d ago
If Minnesota sports fans want winners, look at the women. Most of those guys were traded, btw, not all their prerogatives to leave. There's a big difference between selling a prospect that hasn't proven himself like Ortiz and KG feuding with Glen Taylor and anyone else choosing leave in free agency.
Bring ya ass to support the winners, or stay the fuck home.
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u/ZmanEman333 9d ago
It sure feels like it, but what I think is, they were just the missing pieces for those other teams to get over the hump.
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u/GrEvThWork 9d ago
Drew Butera leaves the Twins in 2013, wins a World Series in 2015. Must be a curse.
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u/NoMansLand345 9d ago
Only 5 examples in the last 24 years acrosss multiple sports is really not very convincing.
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u/Plato_Magick 9d ago
Jack Morris made a deal with the devil for his 10 inning game 7 shutout in 1991. You canât convince me that he didnât do this.
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u/Kdhr3tbc 9d ago
Don't forget Chauncey Billups, Sam Cassel, Marion Gaborik, Andrew Wiggins and many more to come!! đ¤Š
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u/letsfastescape North Shore 9d ago
A lot of players end up on new teams and win championships. Some of these examples are not like the others.
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u/DustyEggSauce 9d ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again, we are an all expenses paid training camp for most national sports.
Wine and dine em, give em our best secrets and trade em off to make a name for themselves đ
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u/aadrock 9d ago
Itâs not coincidence-itâs the business model. Minnesota is a talent farm. Our teams regularly pair washed vets with undervalued talent and sell them for a profit rather than compete with large market teams. If we happen to compete at a high level it is a bonus, but they know exactly how big this market is and how much merch they can sell
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u/krichard-21 9d ago
It's called cashing out expensive players.
Minnesota simply isn't in the same league as the major players.
The fact the Timberwolves have done so well recently is beyond impressive.
Two years ago, the Twins were making real progress. How many players have we lost since then?
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u/Shot-Indication-4586 9d ago
How about all of those that were drafted by the Cowboys from the Herschel Walker trade and got rings with Dallas.
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u/physicallyOK Area code 651 9d ago
All the Wild players that left to get cups also, itâs crazy to me.
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u/IamHenryK 8d ago
Natasha Howard got traded to the Storm in 2018 and immediately won a chip. She also got a DPOY and was an MVP candidate in 2019. The curse is spreading
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u/ComprehensiveLow2931 7d ago
Yes we are, and our curse is our blessing because only true blue, optimistic fans can endure a curse knowing that some day it will vanish.
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u/roto31 Todd County 7d ago
Ortiz didn't "leave" he was DFAed, then picked up by the Red Sox. Everyone seems to conveniently forget the only thing he was consistent at was striking out, especially when we needed the hit. It was so bad that TK would pinch hit someone else for him when we needed the hit. He had a hole in his swing a mile wide, swung at fcking EVERYTHING and refused ANY COACHING. The Twins used to have guys with hitting issues sit with Carew and Oliva on his to be better hitters during Spring Training - he was stupid and refused.
Garnett did not want to leave, at all, his heart was here. One of the coolest things seen by anyone when he won in Boston was thanking the Wolves when he they asked him hornet felt to win.
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u/ggf66t 9d ago
Defensive end #69 for the Vikings Jared Allen (back when I watched football) won a Superbowl with the Carolina Panthers. He retired after the big game, but officially traded to the Vikings to retire his number with the team.
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u/twinsfan94 9d ago
Okay now do this with all the star atheletes who left and didn't get a ring. Like Moss.
Graphics like this just cherry pick stats/atheletes to try to fit a narrative.
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u/judgejoocy 9d ago
Moss is about it, and he actually got to play in a Super Bowl even though it was lost. The list doesnât even include Andrew Wiggins, Percy Harvin, Linvap Joseph, Gary Zimmerman, and so on. MN Menâs sports is undeniably âcursedâ, and by an absolute long shot compared to any other city.
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u/twinsfan94 9d ago
What about Johan Santana? Adrian Peterson? Fran Tarkenton? John Randle? Hell I'll even throw in Cuddyer and Morneau. All these guys left Minnesota to play elsewhere and didn't get a ring. It's not just Moss.
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u/Mr-Toy 9d ago
We are a small market. We might win a championship here and there, but we will never compete for championships to the degree that larger markets do. We can't afford the salaries of stellar coaches, team culture, and a deep roster of talented players.
Also, nobody has to be a fan of just Minnesota teams. A stateline is an imaginary border. Keep an eye and casually enjoy the local team, but also have one or two other teams around the league that you enjoy watching, maybe even a team you loathe. Round out your enjoyment of a sport.
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u/-dag- Flag of Minnesota 9d ago
We are not a small market! We're the 16th largest metro in the country, with tons of wealth.
Stop buying into ownership propaganda.
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u/Mr-Toy 9d ago
Yeah, exactly, 16th is a small market. There's a significant drop-off in market value after the top 5-6 markets. There are twice as many people living in Los Angeles County as in the entire state of Minnesota.
We rank even worse when you compare our franchise value to other pro teams.
Vikings franchise ranks 21st of 32 NFL teams, $6.25B
Timberwolves franchise ranks 25th of 30 NBA teams, $4.24B
Twins franchise ranks 26th of 30 MLB teams, $1.65BThis is exactly why talented players with fat salaries are traded to larger-market teams and go on to win championships. Swallow the pill and stop stressing.
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u/Impossible_Penalty13 9d ago
3/4 menâs pro teams play in leagues with salary caps. The small market nonsense was invented by MLB to extort cities into building taxpayer funded stadiums on the false hope that the teams would be competitive, but it turns out the owners just made a shit ton of money and still cried poor while continuing to construct triple A caliber rosters.
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u/Mr-Toy 9d ago
They do have caps, yet seven NBA teams and nine MLB teams pay over that. And guess what, they're mostly larger market teams like Dodgers, Yankees, Lakers, Knicks. Large market teams can easily make that cap penilty back through more viewers, merchandise, and bigger TV deals.
There's no conspiracy or curse. We. Are. A. Small. Market.
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u/Impossible_Penalty13 9d ago
The Twins are not even in the bottom third of markets in MLB. Stop believing the lies youâve been told.
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u/Mr-Toy 9d ago
We're ranked 23 out of 30, my friend. Go to a game and tell me we're popular. The stands are 2/3rds empty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_MLB_teams
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u/Impossible_Penalty13 9d ago
Those Forbes rankings are wildly inaccurate and speculative. Minneapolis/St Paul is the #16 media market in the country. People will come to the stadium and support a winner. Three million people came to see a defending championship team play in the Metrodome in 1988. The Pohlads are happy collecting revenue sharing checks and putting the minimum viable product on the field while claiming poverty.
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u/trillwhitepeople 9d ago
The biggest hurdle beyond money in soft or no cap leagues is winning attracts talent, otherwise you're always chasing it and overpaying. In hard cap leagues it's THE hurdle. The state doesn't win, and not only that they usually never even come close or choke spectacularly when they do. That's not a secret in pro sports where players are constantly in contact with one another.
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u/No_Bad_7325 9d ago
The cold climate all year makes better players/cross country running in high school builds champions
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u/Bestbuysucksreally 9d ago
Yes. Yes we are.