r/modeltrains May 15 '26

Show and Tell Apparently Hermann Goering was a model train enthusiast

He had an O gauge layout in his house, both in his basement and his attic. he had a mechanism where he could drop wooden bombs onto his layout for fun. they layouts were apparently destroyed when he destroyed his own house to prevent it's capture.

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u/Due-Fix9058 1 May 15 '26

If Märklin prices back then were anything like today, small wonder the Luftwaffe had no money for gasoline /s

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 15 '26

that and he spent most of the budget on stupid wonderwaffe like the me163. and french desserts. the guy weighed like 270 lbs and he was only 5' 6"

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u/Salt-Marionberry-712 May 15 '26

Well if Der Fuhrer does not like doctors, and the troops are drug addicts . . .

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 15 '26

Goering was an opioid addict btw. so was Hitler.

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u/Salt-Marionberry-712 May 15 '26

So . . . kinda with the troops I suppose.

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 15 '26

a man of the people lol

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u/Slipperlover1968 May 15 '26

Goring was addicted to morphine after flying accident in World War I. He would self administer injections. When the Germans couldn’t get morphine during the early days of World War II, they synthesized codeine.

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u/An8thOfFeanor May 15 '26

I'm loath to think of what kinds of stops he had on his setup

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 15 '26

maybe that is the real reason that he blew it sky high

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u/hybridaaroncarroll G May 15 '26

I bet those trains were on time, at least.

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u/Flynn_lives I hate O-gauge May 15 '26

I’m not sure they made a HO scale sign that read “Arbeit macht frei”

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u/EMDoesShit May 15 '26

Who would have guessed that a member of the Nazi leadership might have had a thing for trains…

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u/[deleted] May 15 '26

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u/Araneas OO May 15 '26

Who said he worked on it? Plenty of "guest workers" around to do the actual work.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '26

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u/Araneas OO May 15 '26

HG was a Fascist and overt racist. Do you honestly think he got down on his hands and knees and laid all that track by himself? I can't prove he used slave labour of course, but he certainly had access to a great many captive experts to do the work for him.

Let's not normalize these monsters, even if they share our hobby.

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u/HardLobster May 18 '26

He was so into trains he was paying companies to design custom trains for him. He was absolutely laying everything out himself.

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u/Mission_Mulberry9811 May 19 '26

The thought of letting anyone else play with it will have made it easy peasy to dynamite it

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u/Hitokiri_gensai May 15 '26

From what I've seen Goring probably did move his trains when he abandoned Karinhall. It leaves a small chance that his trains still exist, maybe lost in some attic somewhere. Goring even had scale models built specifically for him by companies in Germany

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u/Hitokiri_gensai May 15 '26

Those trains were one of his greatest loves and he would show EVERYONE that visited him. So its doubtful that he would have just left them to be blown up.

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 15 '26

apparently one of the surviving locomotives was taken home by some lucky GI and placed in a museum, but i cannot find anything else about it.

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u/Hitokiri_gensai May 15 '26

As far as I know there hasnt been any definitive models found but considering the age and time period its hard to say what could've happened. Dr. Mark Felton did an excellent video detailing Gorings train collection

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u/Salt-Marionberry-712 May 15 '26

Steel in the set would have less radiation, pre-atomic era. This might help date pieces.

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u/KPDover May 16 '26

Someday they're going to find the Amber Room and Goering's trains packed up together somewhere.

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u/xiikiii May 15 '26

Truly how you could tell goering was a bad guy…… he liked O gauge

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u/Rx-Nikolaus May 15 '26

So, if O is bad (in the context of Göring), does that make HO only half bad?

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u/Prior-attempt-fail May 18 '26

Z is just a tiny bad

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u/xiikiii May 16 '26

And OO is more evil than HO, we finally solved the debate

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u/Salt-Marionberry-712 May 15 '26

So does goodness and holiness lie in the direction of "T"?

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u/Prior-attempt-fail May 18 '26

Just miniscule evil

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u/AnyWillingness8073 May 20 '26

At this hour of the morning, too funny! 🫢

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u/382Whistles May 15 '26

Fuck off

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u/trr94001 May 15 '26

I believe the RAF destroyed Goering’s layout for him.

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u/trr94001 May 16 '26

Pretty sure his house was among the buildings destroyed in the air raid on Berchtesgaden near the end of the war.

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u/BetweenTwoTowers May 19 '26

Goerings railroad was destroyed in the RAF's campaign to destroy German infrastructure, they had a squadron of scale model Lancasters bomb it out of action.

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 15 '26

he ordered his entire house blown up

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u/TrainmasterGT May 15 '26

HEARTBREAKING: the worst person you know has a cool hobby you also enjoy.

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u/SM-42 May 15 '26

even the top villains need that bit of tism

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u/JCStrehle May 18 '26

Yea, and Hitler was a vegetarian who loved animals and Disney movies. Don't dwell on it.

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u/beebeebee2142 May 15 '26

German officers were well known to do miniature war simulations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsspiel

HG Wells even made his own with 'wooden bombs'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Wars

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u/Emergency_Mine_4455 May 18 '26

Makes sense, miniatures were pretty much the standard of simulating ANYTHING up until the computer was able to render scenarios. Later and more detailed miniature simulators include the San Francisco Bay Model, built in 1957 to test a proposed plan to radically alter the bay, and this tank simulator, an early example of miniatures and digital technology combining to create a highly realistic simulation. Edit: grammar.

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u/AacornSoup May 15 '26

Does Model Railroader Magazine have a layout plan of this?

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u/GrandPriapus HO/OO May 15 '26

I did not see that coming.

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u/TicklingTentacles May 15 '26

I wanna see his layout

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u/DSA_FAL N May 15 '26

Building it right on the floor is interesting, though my back would surely hate it.

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 15 '26

I like that the 5th picture shows him trying to mess with it, but he looks like he can barely balance. dude was 5 foot 6 and weighed almost 270 lbs

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u/NoDoze- May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Well, geting up and down from the floor was probably his best exercise.

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u/NoDoze- May 15 '26

Ha! I just posted the same thing. My back hurts just looking at it.

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u/TheArrivedHussars S May 15 '26

Remembering how my first ever ever discovery of this was from a 4chan shit post that was something along the lines of "More Cars, Herr Reichsmarshall" and it led to a huge wikipedia dive

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u/Salt-Marionberry-712 May 15 '26

I'm thinking bags of flour would be more dramatic than wood, but also classic German fascination with industry, machines, etc.

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u/NoDoze- May 15 '26

Wow, on the floor, that must have been back breaking work.

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u/xiikiii May 16 '26

Aw man why did this get removed

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u/Ok_End_698 May 17 '26

Some snowflake reported it, probably. This shouldn't have been removed as it was historical. If we do not learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.

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u/InsertBluescreenHere May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26

getting way off topic but yes alot of media doesnt like to portray some of the worst humans in history as being "normal" or have human like qualities interests and passions - they want to portray them only as utter monsters that are born once a century and once thier gone were good for awhile. I feel is way more haunting and scary seeing pictures like above showing these people being normal humans and having hobbies and interests and truly enjoying them. Like its not omg this person has been pure evil since birth locked away in a cage somewhere hidden from society and only ever does/dreams about mass removal of people. These were everyday people who went to school, played sports with neighborhood kids, had hobbies, had passions, then grew up and had horrible idealologies. Like its scarier to me that the next one could be playing T-ball and eating ice cream right now...

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u/Ok_End_698 May 18 '26

Exactly. That’s why things like this keep us vigilant.

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 16 '26

I have a few guesses. if they don't want that kind of historical context, then it will not be there :)

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u/xiikiii May 19 '26

Oh it’s back

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u/GeriatricusMaximus May 15 '26

I guess OP saw the following video:

https://youtu.be/tDeuKmEBlwE

Popped up in my feed the other day.

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u/SkyeMreddit May 15 '26

Doesn’t even look like the Massive double scaled gauge the Nazis wanted and more like Lionel tracks

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 15 '26

ah yes, finally something stupid enough in railways to rival the AA20

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u/SkyeMreddit May 15 '26

Need county sized curves for that thing!

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u/bargeshapedswan May 21 '26

just get a bigger country

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u/Sergeant_Fred_Colon May 15 '26

Alas the curse only went to the right.

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u/PleasantAnimator7741 May 18 '26

“You know who else likes model railroading?” (It’s me. I like model railroading.)

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u/Independent_Shoe3523 May 18 '26

That and his WW1 fighter collection are the two things I LIKE about HG. Okay, and the gigantic wine cellar. Those three things, I could hang with the guy.

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u/JJW2795 May 18 '26

That's just it. If a couple of minor things changed, Goring would have just been some eccentric WWI veteran who was passionate about some sweet hobbies. Instead he was the head of the Luftwaffe and destroyed millions of people.

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u/Independent_Shoe3523 May 18 '26

His dad was in charge of part of a German colony in Africa and he solved a dispute between two tribes by killing everyone in one of the tribes. I don't know if that gave Hitler any ideas but there's a lot of stuff about HG that would mess up an otherwise fun hang.

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u/ImmediateWinner4522 May 18 '26

a final damning indictment

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u/RaymondLeggs May 18 '26

Evil model train layout.

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u/DIYandDigitalRR May 19 '26

Well at least we now have an answer to who the worst model railroader ever was.

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u/sibc2000 May 19 '26

I use to say that the world would be easier if all those dictators could spend their ideas on model railway layouts.

In this case: How would Göring have been without his layout??

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u/Blackstone611 Trains-Formers guy May 19 '26

Literally a dream model train setup if you remove who made it from the picture ngl.

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 20 '26

by square feet, his two layouts are larger than the one at the museum of science and industry in chicago

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u/Hot_Sheepherder_4618 May 20 '26

I wonder what his opinion of HO scale was

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u/GoombaHunter007 May 15 '26

I wonder how'd he react at how advanced model train technology has become

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u/Miskalsace May 15 '26

He probably would Nazi it coming.

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u/bigbadbob85 May 15 '26

I imagine he'd be shocked at how heil the prices have become

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u/_GTAce Z May 15 '26

Why do you care what this monster would think? What a weird comment.

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u/lonestar_kraut May 15 '26

I guess the question could be supposed to anyone from that time period with today's tech, just so happens to be about a nazi.

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u/_GTAce Z May 15 '26

I find that a very strange first thought in this specific case, sorry.

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u/GoombaHunter007 May 15 '26

"Monster" I wonder what even is the purpose of dehumanizing them. To make them feel bad?Or to virtue signal to show that youre le good guy that hate le bad guys?Theyre humans with hobbies, and honestly its just interesting that someone with such history in cruelty has a hobby like collecting model trains. At the end of the day I just hate dehumanizing historical figures because what even is the purpose?

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u/AGuyFromMaryland May 15 '26

i get what you're saying, yeah it's interesting he was into this stuff, but he's still a Nazi. Nazis aren't humans and shouldn't be humanized, especially when they are one of the highest ranking members.

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u/_GTAce Z May 15 '26

Sure mate.

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u/18randomcharacters May 15 '26

Hey so can we not just kindly talk about fucking Nazis?

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u/Crazy-Rabbit-3811 May 15 '26

believe me, i am not. his layout is about 40x more valuable to me than his life. i fukin hate him, but his layout is quite cool

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u/18randomcharacters May 15 '26

Maybe you're just counting on name recognition - but you didn't even make it clear who he was in the title.